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[DYNASTY] 2012 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)

I joined my first Start 2 QB (actually the 2nd QB can be a flex) and they score well league this past season. This year will be my first rookie draft where having 2 QBs is a possibility... Out of curiosity.. for people who have been in these leagues before, what is your experience with how high QBs go in rookie drafts?In my other leagues, even the top guys (Newton, etc..) I haven't seen them picked until late in the first... but I'd imagine in a Start 2 QB system, they would go right at the top????
In any league where a qb's are difficult to acquire (2 qb leagues, 32 team leagues), landing even a 'mediocre' talent like Matt Ryan or Eli Manning can give you a huge leg up on the competition. Luck/Griffin will be very high picks. I agree with Concept Coop. If either of them fall past the #3 spot that's tremendous value.
 
I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players. Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.Jenkins is a Steve Breaston/Nate Burleson type. Broyles = Eddie Royal.Tommy Streeter is closer to Stephen Williams than Brian Quick is. Much slighter build. Another comparison is Danario Alexander.Two guys that may sneak into your rankings is LaVon Brazill and B.J. Cunningham. Also where's T.Y. Hilton? Might be this year's Randall Cobb.Anyway, this year seems deep in WR, similarly talented guys bunched up together. The landing spots might make or break some guys.
 
I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players.

Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.
Worst case?
 
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I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players. Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.Jenkins is a Steve Breaston/Nate Burleson type. Broyles = Eddie Royal.Tommy Streeter is closer to Stephen Williams than Brian Quick is. Much slighter build. Another comparison is Danario Alexander.Two guys that may sneak into your rankings is LaVon Brazill and B.J. Cunningham. Also where's T.Y. Hilton? Might be this year's Randall Cobb.Anyway, this year seems deep in WR, similarly talented guys bunched up together. The landing spots might make or break some guys.
I think Hilton is a lesser version of Jerrel Jernigan. Talented, but too small to play outside. Disagree on Quick. Robinson is more solid and agile. Quick is a giraffe.
 
I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players.

Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.
Worst case?
Best case is immediate Hall of Fame I guess.
 
Great post EBF :thumbup: Love the links to the highlight. This is nice for guys like me who don't follow the college game much but still play in dynasty leagues.

 
I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players.

Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.
Worst case?
Best case is immediate Hall of Fame I guess.
Go big or go home. I don't feel you can be competitive in fantasy by being conservative. Gotta be bold and hop on the train before it leaves the station.
 
I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players.

Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.
Worst case?
Best case is immediate Hall of Fame I guess.
Go big or go home. I don't feel you can be competitive in fantasy by being conservative. Gotta be bold and hop on the train before it leaves the station.
So far you have Richardson as better than Adrian Peterson, Quick and Robinson as worst case scenario Marques Colston. Do you have a full list of your prospects and predictions on how they'll turn out in the NFL?
 
I don't love this year's third tier, though that could change in the coming months if I find more sleepers that I like. I get the Taylor Price/Brian Robiskie vibe with a lot of these receivers. Like you know they're going to be pretty high picks, but you also pretty much know they're not going to be standout NFL players.

Quick didn't do much for me in the clips I saw. I would rather have guys like AJ Jenkins and Ryan Broyles, even though neither of them made the current list either. I think Quick is overrated, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Quick at the very worst should be right there with Gerell Robinson. They're both similar in size and the way the move. Worse case scenario with both is Marques Colston.
Worst case?
Best case is immediate Hall of Fame I guess.
Go big or go home. I don't feel you can be competitive in fantasy by being conservative. Gotta be bold and hop on the train before it leaves the station.
I think you're crazy. But each to his own.
 
That is a pretty good point. In my dynasty the owners of Brady, Manning, and Brees have never moved them once they hit elite status. The guy with Newton turned down my trade offer of Adrian Peterson after week 1. I am lucky to have Stafford develop and no way do I part with him (although I would not consider him in the same category as the others quite yet).

You had Stafford and offered someone AP for Cam....after Week 1? Really?

 
I don't think EBF would consider Brandon Weeden dynasty worth because of his advanced age but my gut says that he will be the Andy Dalton of this years draft.

 
Go big or go home. I don't feel you can be competitive in fantasy by being conservative. Gotta be bold and hop on the train before it leaves the station.
Being bold and willing to take chances is absolutely a good strategy. No doubting that, but I'm not sure I understand how making such a ridiculously bold prediction about a tier 3ish receiver like Robinson is applicable to that strategy. We're debating and assessing talent levels. Isn't that more of a theory to keep to yourself (and base your draft on). I personally have seen nothing that would indicate Colston is an even remotely comparable talent. Not to mention Colston was originally a TE. :confused:
 
Go big or go home. I don't feel you can be competitive in fantasy by being conservative. Gotta be bold and hop on the train before it leaves the station.
Being bold and willing to take chances is absolutely a good strategy. No doubting that, but I'm not sure I understand how making such a ridiculously bold prediction about a tier 3ish receiver like Robinson is applicable to that strategy. We're debating and assessing talent levels. Isn't that more of a theory to keep to yourself (and base your draft on). I personally have seen nothing that would indicate Colston is an even remotely comparable talent. Not to mention Colston was originally a TE. :confused:
Fantasy-wise, Colston was a TE.And yes I'm assessing and debating along with everyone else on this board. Why do I have to keep my theories and strategies to myself? Am I not allowed to post?I post what I see. I only do this as a hobby and may not have as much time available to devote to watching video as some more prominent draftniks/scouts/gurus. If you disagree that's fine, just try to give reasons. Thanks.If you check numerous draft sites, from media-types and no-names in Twitter, you'll see some players all over the place in the rankings. Some people are bold, some are conservative. I'm not getting paid to do this.
 
Go big or go home. I don't feel you can be competitive in fantasy by being conservative. Gotta be bold and hop on the train before it leaves the station.
Being bold and willing to take chances is absolutely a good strategy. No doubting that, but I'm not sure I understand how making such a ridiculously bold prediction about a tier 3ish receiver like Robinson is applicable to that strategy. We're debating and assessing talent levels. Isn't that more of a theory to keep to yourself (and base your draft on). I personally have seen nothing that would indicate Colston is an even remotely comparable talent. Not to mention Colston was originally a TE. :confused:
Fantasy-wise, Colston was a TE.And yes I'm assessing and debating along with everyone else on this board. Why do I have to keep my theories and strategies to myself? Am I not allowed to post?I post what I see. I only do this as a hobby and may not have as much time available to devote to watching video as some more prominent draftniks/scouts/gurus. If you disagree that's fine, just try to give reasons. Thanks.If you check numerous draft sites, from media-types and no-names in Twitter, you'll see some players all over the place in the rankings. Some people are bold, some are conservative. I'm not getting paid to do this.
Colston was drafted as a TE. Look it up.My main point is that it's not exactly a constructive point/statement to make when your intent is to be completely bold and over the top. To each his own I guess though.
 
Great thread EBF. I hate when someone starts pimping a player and all you see is highlight reals. Real game footage showing every touch that involves them is just great stuff. keep up the good work. :thumbup:

 
'Hitchcock Presents said:
You had Stafford and offered someone AP for Cam....after Week 1? Really?
Stafford had been injury prone and proven nothing yet. I saw an opportunity to potentially grab a superstar at the QB position which we get 6 point tds for. QBs are gold in my league and I have always favored elite QBs/WRs to RBs. Just a difference in strategy philosophy I suppose. Apparently I wasn't the only one to think this way as my league-mate rejected the offer.....unfortunately.
 
'Donnybrook said:
I don't think EBF would consider Brandon Weeden dynasty worth because of his advanced age but my gut says that he will be the Andy Dalton of this years draft.
He's the guy I think the Browns should draft to compete with McCoy if they decided to trade down.
 
Awesome job with the list EBF! I do think that you're criminally underrating Chris Polk though but I agree with much of what you said. I'm still not completely sold on Doug Martin that high but I'm starting to come around on him. This draft does have a clearly defined top 3 and is top-heavy in general. I like a lot of guys that will be late 1st round picks but they do have some potential to not pan out. Kendall Wright is one of the most intriguing prospects this year and somebody who I'm going to follow closely during the pre-draft process, one of my favorite prospects in the entire draft.

If there's one thing I would change about your list other than Polk is that RG3 needs to be higher. He's got the potential to be a stud QB for fantasy purposes and has probably the highest upside of anybody outside the top 3. I'd rank him very closely to Michael Floyd in the 4-6 range.

 
So apparently Michigan State RB Edwin Baker declared for the draft a few days ago even though he lost his starting job and only rushed for 665 yards this season. His stock is way down, but at the very least he's a guy who could be an interesting late round sleeper.

 
Anyone that drafts a 28 year old rookie gets what the deserve (hint: starts with 'H' and rhymes with tired).
Why does it really matter when you're talking 4 year rookie contracts? I understand the upside issue, but the guy is an athlete and I believe is more NFL-ready than a 22 yo. kid. It's not like he was out bagging groceries at Hy-Vee all those years, he was trying to be a MLB player.
 
One/some of these non Luck/RG3 QB's will emerge as the process goes on, but at the end of the day the only one I'll consider in dyno leagues is Tannehill. Forget Weeden's age, watch his game. Poor foot work, poor decision making, no experience under center, simple offense, questionable accuracy. There really isn't anything good about his game except he has an outstanding WR to throw to. And a guy like Foles who many others are also high on is very similar in just about every regard, except his WR is just good - not spectacular.

Like fans of those who reached for Locker, Ponder, and Gabbert last year I'm going to feel bad for those that reach for any of these guys this year. I'm wary I'm rooting for one of them. As long as Heckert waits until day 3 I won't ##### though. These types are like the TJ Yates' and Ryan Fitzpatrick's of the world and should be drafted accordingly.

 
So apparently Michigan State RB Edwin Baker declared for the draft a few days ago even though he lost his starting job and only rushed for 665 yards this season. His stock is way down, but at the very least he's a guy who could be an interesting late round sleeper.
What are your thoughts on a guy like Darrell Scott from USF? Top prospect out of HS, transfers, then has one season in a time share.
 
So apparently Michigan State RB Edwin Baker declared for the draft a few days ago even though he lost his starting job and only rushed for 665 yards this season. His stock is way down, but at the very least he's a guy who could be an interesting late round sleeper.
What are your thoughts on a guy like Darrell Scott from USF? Top prospect out of HS, transfers, then has one season in a time share.
To be honest, I haven't watched him at all since he left Colorado. I'll have to try to find some recent footage, because it looks like he had a pretty good year for South Florida.I liked him out of high school, but after seeing him at Colorado I came away thinking he had been overrated and was not a great NFL prospect. Still, guys like this are worth monitoring. I'll be especially curious to see what, if any, kind of draft pick a team spends on him. Right now my guess is that he's strictly a late round flyer in the NFL and in FF.
 
Anyone that drafts a 28 year old rookie gets what the deserve (hint: starts with 'H' and rhymes with tired).
Hired?
lol... speaking of tired.
That is awesome.
Yeah, my wife thought so too. But I really was on about one of hour sleep.The point is that when you draft a 28 year old you're taking most of his future development off the table. I think most of that opportunity is gone by age 24 - but even if that's not true you've got a guy who's 30+ years old by the time he's got his feet set in the league. Really just think he's an absolutely horrible pick for some team. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Browns do take him.
 
What do people expect Doug Martin to do at the combine? I just can't get my finger on this guy for some reason. I'm usually able to come up with pretty strong opinions on just about every player but I'm still on the fence with Martin. I like his overall game when I watch him, but it seems to me that Boise was dominating the competition up front with their Oline and Ds were afraid of stopping their passing attack a great deal. This leads me to be unsure on the most critical aspect of a RBs game, his vision and ability to create. I also can't seem to figure out what type of athlete I am looking at overall, hence the combine question.

 
I think he'll do pretty well. He's a rock and he's fast.

Here's a run that showcases his speed:

The guy is just a great all-around back and a player who I think could produce right out of the gate in the right opportunity. He catches the ball. Runs with speed. Runs with power. Blocks. There's nothing missing here. I would especially keep an eye on him redraft leagues if he lands in a starting role, because he isn't going to have half the hype of Richardson but he's fully capable of a Forte style rookie season, IMO.

 
"Area scouts and sources" tell SI's Tony Pauline that "a lot of teams" have Baylor's Kendall Wright rated as the No. 1 wide receiver in the 2012 NFL draft.

Pauline reports that "several teams," including one NFC playoff club, have Wright rated higher than Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon. Blackmon is a favorite of media draftniks, but he is likely to run in the 4.5s at 6-foot-1 and has a checkered off-field history. Wright is three inches smaller, but will likely time in the low-4.3s and has drawn comparisons to Carolina's Steve Smith for his combo of vertical skills and physicality in traffic. With the Senior Bowl just over a week away, Wright may be a sleeper to be drafted in the top ten.

Source: Tony Pauline on twitter

I thought this was interesting. I still need to see more of Wright but what I've seen I like. His explosiveness really impressed. And I couldn't help but thinking he had massive thighs. Not sure if that's a big deal, but similar to RBs that are short and stocky, it can only help with his tackle breaking ability, which is another of Wright's skills.

 
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"Area scouts and sources" tell SI's Tony Pauline that "a lot of teams" have Baylor's Kendall Wright rated as the No. 1 wide receiver in the 2012 NFL draft.Pauline reports that "several teams," including one NFC playoff club, have Wright rated higher than Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon. Blackmon is a favorite of media draftniks, but he is likely to run in the 4.5s at 6-foot-1 and has a checkered off-field history. Wright is three inches smaller, but will likely time in the low-4.3s and has drawn comparisons to Carolina's Steve Smith for his combo of vertical skills and physicality in traffic. With the Senior Bowl just over a week away, Wright may be a sleeper to be drafted in the top ten.Source: Tony Pauline on twitter
It makes some sense when you consider that different systems require different types of receivers. There's no doubt that Wright has better downfield speed than Blackmon. At the same time, Blackmon is a lot more physical and a much better possession WR.
 
I think he'll do pretty well. He's a rock and he's fast. Here's a run that showcases his speed:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD1wHUTM09II disagree about instincts. Out of all the top RBs in this draft, I think Martin has some of the best instincts. From what I've seen he's better than guys like Miller and Wilson at creating something out of nothing. Just seems to have a knack for avoiding contact and "earning" extra yards on every carry. That's one of the things that bothered me about Wilson and, to a lesser extent, Miller. A lot of their big runs just came on easy sweeps where they had massive lanes to run through. That's not NFL rushing. Martin is good at working through thrash. Makes people miss. Always falls forward for those extra yards. Here's a run that demonstrates the full array of his skills.

What's there to disagree about on his instincts? I never made a comment on them being good or bad, just that I'm unsure.I appreciate the feedback and links, but they really aren't helping me much. On his successful runs I see some gaping holes. Yeah, he is running away from the S on Fresno State but that is kind of the problem I have. It's Fresno St., not a major conference team so I'm trying to gauge the athletic ability vs. lesser competition. I don't disagree with some of what you're saying but I'm just not sold either. I don't particularly like his feet. They don't seem especially quick to me. For instance I think L. Miller has much quicker feet and runs with more suddenness to the hole. It also seems to me that he dances a bit in the backfield at times. That dancing mixed with some of the gaping holes makes me unsure on his vision. Perhaps that was just him waiting for blocks/seems, I'm not sure.What kind of numbers would you envision him posting at the combine? Does he have 4.5 speed or 4.4 speed. How explosive is he, 40 inch vert or low 30s? I suppose I can just wait for these answers but I thought maybe someone here had a lead on things.
 
"Area scouts and sources" tell SI's Tony Pauline that "a lot of teams" have Baylor's Kendall Wright rated as the No. 1 wide receiver in the 2012 NFL draft.Pauline reports that "several teams," including one NFC playoff club, have Wright rated higher than Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon. Blackmon is a favorite of media draftniks, but he is likely to run in the 4.5s at 6-foot-1 and has a checkered off-field history. Wright is three inches smaller, but will likely time in the low-4.3s and has drawn comparisons to Carolina's Steve Smith for his combo of vertical skills and physicality in traffic. With the Senior Bowl just over a week away, Wright may be a sleeper to be drafted in the top ten.Source: Tony Pauline on twitterI thought this was interesting. I still need to see more of Wright but what I've seen I like. His explosiveness really impressed. And I couldn't help but thinking he had massive thighs. Not sure if that's a big deal, but similar to RBs that are short and stocky, it can only help with his tackle breaking ability, which is another of Wright's skills.
I'm loving Wright the more and more I dig into him. Saying he is #1 is pretty courageous given Blackmon's body of work but I can see how some teams could rank them that way. They are totally different in style and will fit different systems in the NFL. What I love most about Wright is that he gets separation, in a big way.
 
Doug Martin is for real and will do well in the NFL. I've got to admit that I am a BSU homer and have watched Martin mature as a RB over the past four seasons. I think he is every bit as good as any RB in this years draft. The number one thing I've heard the entire time he has been at Boise State is how hard he is to tackle and bring down. As others have pointed out, he really doesn't have any weakness with his game. Toughness, vision, speed, quickness, can catch the ball out of the backfield etc... No matter which team he ends up on, I predict they will work him slowly into the offense and by the end of the year he should be getting a majority of the carries. He will be a full-time three down back his second season.

Those of you that pass on him in your dynasty league will be kicking yourself for years to come.

 
I'm selfishly hoping that Martin has a terrible combine and drops to the 3rd round of the NFL draft or so, so that he falls to my 2.05 pick in one league. That's about where Hunter was going in many leagues, and he was a 4th rounder with a lot of hype.

 
Am I the only one who has the #3 pick who is cringing a little bit with the consensus going toward taking a QB at that spot? Maybe someone like Kendall Wright could move to the elite tier?

 
Am I the only one who has the #3 pick who is cringing a little bit with the consensus going toward taking a QB at that spot? Maybe someone like Kendall Wright could move to the elite tier?
I'm in the same boat with the #3 in a league where I need a QB (Freeman, Skelton). Feels funny to plan on Luck even in that scenario.
 

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