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[Dynasty] 2013 QB Class (1 Viewer)

Greg Cosell says Smith, Manuel, Barkley and Nassib are going in the 1st round. He has Nassib rated the highest.What I say to that is that someone will get a steal in Glennon. I'm hitching my wagon to him being the best QB in the class. He'll grow into his body with an NFL conditioning program, and he'll be coached up to avoid making some of the mistakes he made last season. His arm was never in question and he's a smart kid.
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Barkly had a ok JR year but as a whole I don't understand why everyone is defending the next Matt Flynn
 
Bills, Cards, Raiders show little faith in QB draft class

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

It didn't take long to find out what this year's quarterback-needy teams really feel about this year's passing prospects.

One by one, the Buffalo Bills, Oakland Raiders and Arizona Cardinals have shown their hands, pushing for veteran help under center -- almost desperately -- as next month's NFL Draft approaches.

1. The Bills have handed Kevin Kolb a two-year contract worth $12 million to $13 million, according to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport. Nothing new for a guy who's already netted roughly $35 million in just 21 starts over six seasons. That includes $21 million-plus for 14 uneven performances with the Arizona Cardinals. His newest contract suggests the Bills see Kolb as their starter over Tarvaris Jackson and whoever else they bring into the fold. Buffalo -- sitting pretty at No. 8 -- will add an arm in the draft, but you don't pay Kolb that money to sit.

2. The Raiders -- with the third-overall pick and Carson Palmer on the outs -- think little enough of Terrelle Pryor and his single NFL start to enter into trade talks with the Seattle Seahawks for the rights to Matt Flynn, who, like Kolb, has accomplished little in the NFL. Flynn's two career starts were head-turning, but we know nothing about him as a leading man. Still, Oakland is willing to part with draft picks to make him their guy. Sound like a team about to take Geno Smith at No. 3? Or have the Raiders become convinced the Jaguars will roll the dice on Smith at No. 2?

3. The Cardinals are a beguiling piece of the puzzle. Weeks after dumping Kolb, reports have them buzzing around Palmer, who the Raiders have essentially given up on. Logic states that if any of the teams mentioned here have dumped a quarterback, the others shouldn't even whisper his name, but that's exactly what's happening.

Understandably, fans of these teams are melting, because taking on another squad's pounding headache rarely works.

Last year, the Indianapolis Colts and Washington Redskins coasted into the draft with confidence. Their shining knights -- Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III -- stood waiting.

No such luck this year, and the Bills, Raiders and Cardinals have telegraphed -- loud and clear -- what NFL teams think of this draft class at the quarterback position.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
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Will QBs be shut out of first round of 2013 NFL Draft?

Geno Smith was 6 years old the last time that no quarterbacks were selected in the first round of an NFL draft.

That last occurred in 1996, when the St. Louis Rams, in just their second season after moving from Los Angeles, made Tony Banks out of Michigan State the first quarterback selected, at No. 42 overall.

In the 16 drafts since, 44 quarterbacks have been chosen in the first round, including four each of the past two years.

For months, we've known the 2013 draft class wasn't nearly as gifted as recent years, but the prevailing theory was that teams would continue to reach for passers on draft day simply because of the value of the position.

Many of the teams thought likely to be considering a rookie passer, however, have since attempted to fill the position with veterans.

The Bills reportedly agreed with Kevin Kolb on a two-year deal on Saturday.

It was reported Friday that the Raiders and Seahawks reached a tentative deal that would send Matt Flynn to Oakland if he agrees to re-structure his contract.

The Cardinals agreed to a deal with veteran Drew Stanton on March 17. While Stanton lacks the starting experience of Kolb or Flynn, Arizona coach Bruce Arians knows him well after working him last year while each were with the Colts. The Cardinals are also reportedly interested in Carson Palmer, if he were to be released from the Raiders.

After investing a first-round pick in Brandon Weeden a year ago, the Cleveland Browns were never considered likely to do the same thing in 2013. But new offensive coordinator Norv Turner told me that he was pretty impressed with Barkley after the two of us watched the USC Pro Day. The chances of Cleveland drafting a quarterback high, however, were drastically reduced with the addition of veteran Jason Campbell.

Of course, none of these deals would necessarily keep a team from selecting a quarterback in the first round if their front office had stamped a high enough grade on the rookie. By adding veterans, the Bills, Cardinals and Raiders (potentially) might be simply putting in place a contingency plan in case the rookie quarterback whom they like most isn't available to them.

As such, it wouldn't be a shock to see one or more of those teams still invest a high-round selection in a rookie.

The Eagles and Jets remain potential first-round suitors for Smith, USC's Matt Barkley or Syracuse's Ryan Nassib, among others. But with no one quite sure what to expect from Chip Kelly or Rex Ryan on draft day, the possibility that no quarterback is selected in the first round seems more plausible.
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from Rotoworld:

One NFL offensive coach told Scouts Inc.'s Kevin Weidl that the top eight QBs selected in the 2012 Draft might all be better than the QB prospects in the 2013 class.
The coach said an argument could be made, which would include Brock Osweiler and Kirk Cousins. "Obviously some hindsight involved there," Weidl tweeted. "But it just goes to show the differing and wide variety of opinions on this years' QB class." We think this class would fall in line after the four quarterbacks who have proven themselves most form 2012.

Source: Kevin Weidl on Twitter
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Raider Nation said:
Greg Cosell says Smith, Manuel, Barkley and Nassib are going in the 1st round. He has Nassib rated the highest.What I say to that is that someone will get a steal in Glennon. I'm hitching my wagon to him being the best QB in the class. He'll grow into his body with an NFL conditioning program, and he'll be coached up to avoid making some of the mistakes he made last season. His arm was never in question and he's a smart kid.
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Can you feel it??? :drive:


NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell hasn't shied away from bold statements at the quarterback position leading up to the 2013 NFL Draft.

Cosell on Friday said he would "rather have" N.C. State's Mike Glennon than Smith.

"I would argue that, in my opinion, Glennon could (go) late in the first round and I wouldn't have a problem with that at all," Cosell told NFL Network's "Path to the Draft" on Friday. "As I talked about his attributes, I think he has probably -- of the quarterbacks in this class -- more of the attributes that you look for than maybe any other quarterback in this class."

Cosell sees the 6-foot-7, 225-pound Glennon as a passer willing to stand in the pocket and fire the ball into tight windows on third-and-long.

"I think the thing that stands out with him, first of all, his functional mobility for a big man is far better than people might give him credit for," Cosell said. "You see him move out of the pocket and make throws. He can do that. The thing I really like about him is his willingness to pull the trigger. You've got to do that in the NFL."
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Jax could trade back about 7 picks and select Geno; Buff can't be staying put w/ KK and TJax; and the Jets are clearly frustrated w/ Sanchez but they cold of easily gotten a decent package for him this yr so it wouldn't make sense to draft a QB at 9

 
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Any Cougar fans out there that can tell me more about Jeff Tuel? He looks to have some upside as a late round/ free agent developmental QB.
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Every year i adopted a sleeper QB that has a snowball chance in hell of getting to play in the NFL. This year is no exception and this year it is Jeff Tuel. The kid has been snake bite by injuries almost his entire college career but I can't help but to root for the QBs who have to travel the longer road to the pros.
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Jeff Tuel, QB (6-3, 218) Tuel ran the 40 in 4.60 and 4.65 seconds. He had a 4.12-second short shuttle and a 6.90-second three-cone drill. He had a 32-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-3 broad jump. Tuel had a great pro day, and I suspect that he will have a strong showing when he has a workout with the New England Patriots on March 22. Tuel will be joined by receiver Marquess Wilson -- who was at the combine at that workout, which will be held at the University of Idaho. Tuel also has a two-day visit with the Buffalo Bills set up f

or April 8-9.
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I can't say I've watched him play but he has one of the worse statistical profiles I've seen this year. Really bad ypa, td:int, ypg ect..
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A little bored today with the lack on draft/nfl news. I sure if you looked at Tuel's injury history and stats you certainly come to the conclusion that he is not worth drafting. However, I do think there is something more to him when you look at his highlights. http://vikingsauthority.com/player/jeff-tuel/ I see a kid with an NFL caliber arm and some great escapability. My best NFL comparison would be Tony Romo. A player that has the tools but needs time to develop.

 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nf...ing-monday-morning-quarterback/?sct=uk_t11_a3

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

What makes Gruden Gruden is happening now on TV.

You'll see Jon Gruden at his cocky, snarling, football-smarts best this week, when he continues his must-see-TV series breaking down the top quarterbacks in the draft. Now, this is not to shred Jon Gruden the Monday Night Football color man. At all. This is to praise him for a series I love every year, Gruden's QB Camp on ESPN. This is what he does best -- coach and carouse with and stick the needle in the players we'll see on NFL fields in the future. And this week's the week to watch: half-hour shows on ESPN2 breaking down tape and on-field drills with West Virginia's Geno Smith (Tuesday, 7 p.m. Eastern), USC's Matt Barkley (Tuesday, 7:30 p.m.), Florida State's E.J. Manuel (Thursday, 7 p.m.) and Syracuse's Ryan Nassib (Thursday, 7:30 p.m.) The full schedule, which includes some position players such as tacke Luke Joeckel, can be found here.

What I find interesting about these segments, mostly, is they show quarterbacks in their natural habitat, or what will be their natural habitat in the NFL: the tape room, with the whiteboard for a coach, or player, to draw up plays. And they show which quarterbacks can keep up with one of the best quarterback minds alive, Gruden.

The other day, I saw the Smith show, and it showed one of Gruden's favorite running plays, "96 Wanda," as he called it. When he told Smith about it, Smith recognized it and told Gruden at West Virginia, the play was called "Y Quick 16."

As Gruden explained it to me, a quarterback calling 96 Wanda could have three options on the play, and his choice would depend on what the defense shows. Smith understood, and he explained how, as with Wanda, Y Quick 16 tried to get the ball to his lightning-fast receiver, Tavon Austin, who comes sprinting in from the right to possibly get a handoff from Smith. The options, with Smith in the Pistol or the Shotgun: hand to Austin, turn and hand to the back on a counter play, or, as Smith says to Gruden: "I've got the option to throw my 'Z' a quick screen because the corner's so far off him. So much intricacy."

So much of what quarterbacks are asked to do these days in college football comes prescribed from the sidelines. All the pre-snap reads in so many programs are done by signal, and you wonder if quarterbacks, when they get to the NFL, can adjust to checks at the line and what the defense is throwing at the young passer. As Gruden said to me: "This guy knows a huge volume of plays, and he showed me he can execute the plays by reading what the defense is doing.''

That's what's great about these shows. The players can't hide. Gruden throws friendly fire at them, but it's fire. They have to respond intelligently, or he'll eat them up. Affectionately, but you'll be able to tell they've got some recognition weaknesses. I didn't see that in Smith.

I asked Gruden Saturday what he thought of the 2013 class of passers.

"Last year was a ridiculous year for quarterbacks,'' he said. "I mean, five starters right away. This year, it's like every one of these guys comes from broken quarterback families. Tyler Bray at Tennessee: recruited by Lane Kiffin, family moves to Knoxville, everybody's excited, and Kiffin goes to USC. Bray ends up playing for another coach, coach [Derek] Dooley, who didn't even recruit him.

"Tyler Wilson at Arkansas: Bobby Petrino has his situation, he leaves, and Wilson -- now, he was the all-SEC quarterback under Petrino two years ago -- has to play in a disastrous situation at Arkansas, and he's wildly inconsistent last year. Matt Barkley at USC: Held that team together through all kinds of turmoil. Geno Smith at West Virginia: They go from one conference to a totally different one, and now he's playing at Baylor and Texas instead of the Big East -- and that's a huge difference -- and you're having to learn about new teams with new defenses while you have this 20-hour rule, all you can spend is 20 hours a week practicing and studying football, and how do you do that? So it's like nobody had the smooth sailing of some of the guys last year did.''

I can't wait to see the Nassib and Manuel shows. When I talk to teams leading up to the April 25 first round, I keep hearing both Nassib and Manuel as late-first-round prospects. Nassib in particular, and certainly more than Manuel. Gruden seems fascinated by both. The other day, one personnel man for a team not interested in drafting a quarterback this year told me, "No way if you want Nassib you think there's a realistic chance he gets past 41.'' That's the overall slot of the Bills' second-round pick. The Bills are coached by Nassib's four-year college coach, Doug Marrone. NFL types think Marrone loves him some Nassib.

"If the Bills really like him, and they think he's the best guy on the board, why not take him at eight?'' Gruden said. Eight is where the Bills pick in round one. "Why take even the slightest risk he wouldn't be there later?"

Nassib met Smith, the presumptive top quarterback in the draft, three times. When they met for the first time, in Morgantown in 2010, West Virginia had won seven straight meetings in the series between the two schools. In the three meetings -- at Morgantown, Syracuse and Yankee Stadium (for the Pinstripe Bowl last December) -- Nassib won every one, by scores of 19-14, 49-23 and 38-14. Average margin of victory: Syracuse by 18.3.

In the three games, Smith out-statted Nassib, throwing for 295 more yards, but made more mistakes. Nassib's touchdown-to-interception differential was 7-1, Smith's 5-5.

I could tell by listening to Gruden he likes Nassib. A lot.

"Here's a guy who went 3-0 against Geno Smith,'' Gruden said. "Imagine this pressure: Syracuse is expected to be pretty good last year, and they start 0-2, and they've losing to Stony Brook at home at halftime the next week. He brings them back there to win. They beat Louisville. They win at Missouri. They really handle West Virginia in the bowl game. Those are some good wins, now. And they do it after changing their offense two weeks before the start of the regular season. I like the way he plays. I like the way he handled his own people booing him.''

As for Manuel: "He'd be a fun guy to coach. Very fun. Can call any play. He can run any play. Upbeat. Powerful vibe around him. People just like him. They want to be around him. Loves the game. I really, really like this kid.''

Regarding Nassib and Manuel: "You want Nassib and Manuel on your team. You want to be around Nassib and Manuel. If you like those guys, you're on the right track."

Smith, Barkley, Nassib and Manuel, in a total of two Grudenized hours Tuesday and Thursday. I know I'm making that investment.
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My first real shot at rankings.

Top 5

1) Geno Smith

2) EJ. Manuel

3) Ryan Nassib

4) Laundry Jones

5) Mike Glennon

Read-option

1) Geno Smith (Probably a injury risk here because of size)

2) E.J. Manuel ( Kaep-lite but not as good a runner)

3) Matt Scott (More of a read option passer. Intriguing.)

4) Collin Klein (would make a good read option teams development/backup only. Tebow comp are to mock his throwing motion but I think he's a better deep ball thrower than Tebow.)

Busts

Tyler Wilson

Sean Renfree

Zac Dysert

Tyker Brey

Matt Barkley

Insert name here

Sleepers

Tino Sunseri (granted 6th year if eligibility)

Ryan Radcliff

Matt Scott

 
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/nfl-teams-underwhelmed-by-qb-draft-class-rt9i5s4-203860281.html

NFL teams underwhelmed by QB draft class
Bob McGinn
Green Bay - Back-to-back exceptional draft classes that dropped 11 starting quarterbacks on National Football League teams the last two Aprils have lessened the desperation at the most critical position.

That's a good thing, too, because few scouts would be willing to pound on their team's draft table and risk their reputations on one of this year's underwhelming quarterbacks.

In the last two weeks, six NFL personnel people said there wasn't a legitimate first-round quarterback. Three said they were greatly relieved their team didn't need one.

"I think two will (go) in the first round," said one personnel man for a team that's looking. "People will reach on Geno Smith, Matt Barkley. But I don't think there's a first-round quarterback in the bunch."

Smith drew 11 first-place votes from 16 scouts with a national orientation who were asked by the Journal Sentinel to name their top five quarterbacks in order. A first-place vote was worth five points, a second-place was worth four and so on.

"Geno is the only one you've got a chance to get a starter," an NFC personnel chief said. "After Geno, (Ryan) Nassib and Barkley, the rest are just bad."

Smith finished with 74 points in the scouts' poll, followed by Barkley, 58 points (three firsts); E.J. Manuel, 35 (two firsts); Mike Glennon, 28; Nassib, 22; Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, six; Tyler Bray, four; Matt Scott, three; and Zac Dysert, two.

At times, scouts can be guilty of finding reasons not to take a player as opposed to reasons for taking him. According to one NFC evaluator, "I think they're all bad. It's such a crappy group. You look at them, is anyone sold on any of these guys?"

If truth be told, not really. But somebody has to play, and somebody from each draft almost always does.

In the last 25 years, the only draft that didn't produce one legitimate starting quarterback was 2007. JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were first-round busts, and two second-round choices, John Beck and Drew Stanton, didn't pan out.

The last quarterback from '07 with a chance to do anything is Buffalo's Kevin Kolb.

Besides the 2011-'12 drafts, the best two-year haul of quarterbacks came in 2004-'05, which also produced 11 starters.

Ten years ago, general managers were enthusiastic because college teams were starting to pass as much as the pros and, in the process, develop quarterbacks for them.

Today, it's the NFL teams that have adjusted to change in the college game by finding ways to incorporate great athletes such as Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick from the 2011 draft and Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson from 2012.

"As a league, we're much more mindful of how to develop quarterbacks and utilize their talent," said Thomas Dimitroff, general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. "Given the intelligence of a lot of the coordinators in this league, I think one or two would rise to the occasion and be starters in this league."

Unlike the past two years, Smith and Manuel are the only prospects among the top eight quarterbacks able to break 4.9 in the 40-yard dash. All 11 starters who came from the last two drafts broke 4.9, and four - Griffin (4.36), Kaepernick (4.53), Jake Locker (4.53) and Wilson (4.54) - ran under 4.55.

"There are only two guys that have the athletic ability of a Ryan Tannehill," one scout said, referring to the Miami Dolphins' rookie quarterback in 2012 who ran 4.61. "That is Manuel and Smith, and Smith doesn't like using his legs."

Since the start of the common draft in 1967, there has been a quarterback selected in the first round every year except 1974, '88 and '96.

Twenty-five years ago, the first quarterback off the board was Chris Chandler late in the third round. NFL owners were a more patient lot back then, whereas today more and more teams are willing to select quarterbacks in the first round even if their grades aren't worthy of it.

"Man, I'm glad I don't have to draft a quarterback," one personnel director said. "These are a bunch of guys as far as I'm concerned. If you're starting one of them, it's because you had nobody else.

"None of these guys took their teams to the next level. None of these guys won anything. Each one has his own characteristics, but none of them are good enough to be starters."

The scout said Alex Smith was better than anybody in the draft.

That might be why, in the last three weeks, Kansas City traded for Smith, Oakland traded for Matt Flynn, Arizona traded for Carson Palmer and Buffalo signed Kolb. Now all four clubs have at least a nominal starter and thus don't need one of these rookies to start from Day 1.

One or more quarterbacks have gone among the first five picks in the last 12 drafts. Ten times the No. 1 overall choice has been a quarterback.

"The group last year was more the exception than the rule," said Howie Roseman, general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles. "When you go back and look at the last 10 years in the draft this class falls in line with those classes more than last year.

"There's always surprises. You talk about guys like Tony Romo, who was undrafted and became a good starter.

"You never know who the guys are that are going to make it. You have to rank them accordingly and trust your board."
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According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, there is "growing belief" around the NFL that the Bills will select Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib with the No. 8 overall pick if they can't trade down.
Credit Rotoworld draft man Josh Norris for passing along similar buzz over the past two days. Mort's report indicates Buffalo would prefer to trade down in the first round, but they're going to make sure they reunite Doug Marrone with college pupil Nassib regardless. The pick would surely be hailed as a "reach," but so was Ryan Tannehill at No. 8 a year ago, and that worked out just fine.
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Tannehill worked out fine? Bit premature there.

Bills should have the option to move down if one of the 3 tackles fall past AZ. Even then, could see team move up for Fluker or one of Warmack/Cooper

 
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Faust said:
EJ Manuel: Chudzinski compared me to Cam Newton
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"They said Cam was a third-round pick, and he went first overall," Manuel said. "I'm sure a lot of people doubted him just like they're still doubting me. Coach Chudzinski did a great job with Cam, and you saw how well he transitioned to the pros. He was Rookie of the Year and a Pro Bowl (quarterback).
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I had one so-called scout tell me all the reasons Manuel wasn't good enough to be in his top 100. It would be awesome to see him go to the Browns at 6.

 
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Gaaa.... I love this kid. Why isn't he considered to be in the class with last year's top 3 again? I realize Luck was generation and basically so is RG3, but Manuel must have at least Tannehill type potential? No?

 
Sabertooth said:
Gaaa.... I love this kid. Why isn't he considered to be in the class with last year's top 3 again? I realize Luck was generation and basically so is RG3, but Manuel must have at least Tannehill type potential? No?
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Starting to think he's more Josh Freeman-lite than Kaepernick-lite.
 
ShaHBucks said:
Sabertooth said:
Gaaa.... I love this kid. Why isn't he considered to be in the class with last year's top 3 again? I realize Luck was generation and basically so is RG3, but Manuel must have at least Tannehill type potential? No?
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Starting to think he's more Josh Freeman-lite than Kaepernick-lite.
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Manuel has one of the stiffest deliveries I've seen. At the combine, it was even more pronounced. I see Jason Campbell.

 
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). You’re better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally I’ve been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues. Plan B for me is to pair up two of these guys in my top 7-8 and hope one of them hits. I really don't like following mainstream advice but they were right this time about this class. Feel like I waste my time but now I just wan't to see what you guys think.

  • Ryan Nassib- Already wrote him up. I said in January once people see his arm his stock would sky rocket. Most of that had to do with Geno/Barkly flaws. The rest was him probably being the best QB in the class.
  • E.J. Manuel- If he would have ran a low 4.5 then he’d be my guy. More Freeman than Kaepernick.
  • Landry Jones- One of the few that actually had great stretches in his college career. He’s one I could grab and actually have some hope.
  • Ryan Radcliff- Needs Work. I’m shocked nobody is on his bandwagon. He has size, arm strength, and makes good reads. Just plays too sloppy. Check his numbers and he shows his ### vs the better competition on the schedule, and then fades vs ok/bad teams which make no sense. Maybe he was bored? Way better MAC Qb than Dysert. Best part about him is you probably won’t have to spend a pick on him. He can sit on the watchlist for 2-3 years. I think he starts one day.
  • Tino Sunseri- Granted 6th year of eligibility. Sucked last year but was great this year. Doesn’t matter now.
  • Mike Glennon- Eli/ Matt Ryan/Tannehill mold. Depends what you think of those guys. He’s another I could draft and cross my fingers for the potential.
  • Geno Smith- He’s been sliding. Way too many question marks now. Spotty performance, low wonderlick, size, gimmick offense ect… NFL standpoint I’d rather trade for Foles.
  • Collin Klien- At this point he’s a value pick. Throwing motion wasn’t a problem when he was being discussed as a Heisman candidate. Why now? SF, WAS and SEA should place more value on him than other teams. He can be a read-option back up.
  • Matt Scott- I like him but I was probably reaching.
  • Brad Sorensen- He’s here because I don’t like odd numbers and I didn’t want to put Matt Barkley just to be a ###. He’s huge, mobile, with a nice arm. Accuracy and turnover issues. His physical profile should get him drafted. There is some upside depending on his situation. I’d rather gamble on him as a development qb than the guys I mentioned before as bust. If he goes to a team that is stable enough to groom him for 3-4 years he could have a chance. Just a guy you might want to know. He could do Ok in stretches vs weak competition. Being wrong will cost nothing.
#SB I have no clue why FBG staff likes Tyler Wilson.

 
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ShaHBucks said:
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). You’re better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally I’ve been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues. Plan B for me is to pair up two of these guys in my top 7-8 and hope one of them hits. I really don't like following mainstream advice but they were right this time about this class. Feel like I waste my time but now I just wan't to see what you guys think.

  • Ryan Nassib- Already wrote him up. I said in January once people see his arm his stock would sky rocket. Most of that had to do with Geno/Barkly flaws. The rest was him probably being the best QB in the class.
  • E.J. Manuel- If he would have ran a low 4.5 then he’d be my guy. More Freeman than Kaepernick.
  • Landry Jones- One of the few that actually had great stretches in his college career. He’s one I could grab and actually have some hope.
  • Ryan Radcliff- Needs Work. I’m shocked nobody is on his bandwagon. He has size, arm strength, and makes good reads. Just plays too sloppy. Check his numbers and he shows his ### vs the better competition on the schedule, and then fades vs ok/bad teams which make no sense. Maybe he was bored? Way better MAC Qb than Dysert. Best part about him is you probably won’t have to spend a pick on him. He can sit on the watchlist for 2-3 years. I think he starts one day.
  • Tino Sunseri- Granted 6th year of eligibility. Sucked last year but was great this year. Doesn’t matter now.
  • Mike Glennon- Eli/ Matt Ryan/Tannehill mold. Depends what you think of those guys. He’s another I could draft and cross my fingers for the potential.
  • Geno Smith- He’s been sliding. Way too many question marks now. Spotty performance, low wonderlick, size, gimmick offense ect… NFL standpoint I’d rather trade for Foles.
  • Collin Klien- At this point he’s a value pick. Throwing motion wasn’t a problem when he was being discussed as a Heisman candidate. Why now? SF, WAS and SEA should place more value on him than other teams. He can be a read-option back up.
  • Matt Scott- I like him but I was probably reaching.
  • Brad Sorensen- He’s here because I don’t like odd numbers and I didn’t want to put Matt Barkley just to be a ###. He’s huge, mobile, with a nice arm. Accuracy and turnover issues. His physical profile should get him drafted. There is some upside depending on his situation. I’d rather gamble on him as a development qb than the guys I mentioned before as bust. If he goes to a team that is stable enough to groom him for 3-4 years he could have a chance. Just a guy you might want to know. He could do Ok in stretches vs weak competition. Being wrong will cost nothing.
#SB I have no clue why FBG staff likes Tyler Wilson.
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Solid list. To question why anyone, let alone FBG likes Tyler Wilson is pretty strange IMO. There's a couple people on your list that Wilson exceeds skill wise in most categories. He can make the NFL throws. I think Wilson tried to do too much last season. His toughness and leadership aren't questionable and something he excels at. With coaching and a year on the bench I think he's a starter in the NFL. He needs a solid OL and some coaching on footwork to make it to the next level, which is less than I have to say for others on your list.

I really do like the list though, I'd put Wilson at #3 and slide everyone else down.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). Youre better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally Ive been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues. Plan B for me is to pair up two of these guys in my top 7-8 and hope one of them hits. I really don't like following mainstream advice but they were right this time about this class. Feel like I waste my time but now I just wan't to see what you guys think.

[*]Ryan Nassib- Already wrote him up. I said in January once people see his arm his stock would sky rocket. Most of that had to do with Geno/Barkly flaws. The rest was him probably being the best QB in the class.

[*]E.J. Manuel- If he would have ran a low 4.5 then hed be my guy. More Freeman than Kaepernick.

[*]Landry Jones- One of the few that actually had great stretches in his college career. Hes one I could grab and actually have some hope.

[*]Ryan Radcliff- Needs Work. Im shocked nobody is on his bandwagon. He has size, arm strength, and makes good reads. Just plays too sloppy. Check his numbers and he shows his ### vs the better competition on the schedule, and then fades vs ok/bad teams which make no sense. Maybe he was bored? Way better MAC Qb than Dysert. Best part about him is you probably wont have to spend a pick on him. He can sit on the watchlist for 2-3 years. I think he starts one day.

[*]Tino Sunseri- Granted 6th year of eligibility. Sucked last year but was great this year. Doesnt matter now.

[*]Mike Glennon- Eli/ Matt Ryan/Tannehill mold. Depends what you think of those guys. Hes another I could draft and cross my fingers for the potential.

[*]Geno Smith- Hes been sliding. Way too many question marks now. Spotty performance, low wonderlick, size, gimmick offense ect NFL standpoint Id rather trade for Foles.

[*]Collin Klien- At this point hes a value pick. Throwing motion wasnt a problem when he was being discussed as a Heisman candidate. Why now? SF, WAS and SEA should place more value on him than other teams. He can be a read-option back up.

[*]Matt Scott- I like him but I was probably reaching.

[*]Brad Sorensen- Hes here because I dont like odd numbers and I didnt want to put Matt Barkley just to be a ###. Hes huge, mobile, with a nice arm. Accuracy and turnover issues. His physical profile should get him drafted. There is some upside depending on his situation. Id rather gamble on him as a development qb than the guys I mentioned before as bust. If he goes to a team that is stable enough to groom him for 3-4 years he could have a chance. Just a guy you might want to know. He could do Ok in stretches vs weak competition. Being wrong will cost nothing.

#SB I have no clue why FBG staff likes Tyler Wilson.
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Funny you say Geno played in a gimmick offense. So did Manuel.Funny you like Foles, but not Dysert. Foles is who Dysert reminds me of most.

 
1. Manuel - huge boom bust type of guy.

2. Nassib - will get his shot.

3. Smith - Decent potential.

4. Glennon - Maybe the best of the bunch.

5. Barkley - I thought the Cassell comparison rang true.

 
Barkley -- could be Pennington, could be Brees. Best QB in the class?

Manuel -- not sure if he's got enough speed to play true read option, but he'll need to rely on his legs. Takes too many sacks for non-running QB. Boom/bust, but high ceiling might make it worthwhile.

Bray -- very high ceiling, but not ready today. Getting drafted by a good team with an older QB would be ideal.

Smith -- I'm not sold. Takes too many sacks in the pocket and doesn't have the bulk to take hits that come with being a running QB.

Nassib -- if everything goes right he might be Jay Cutler. But probably he's just terrible.

 
I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

 
Sabertooth said:
Gaaa.... I love this kid. Why isn't he considered to be in the class with last year's top 3 again? I realize Luck was generation and basically so is RG3, but Manuel must have at least Tannehill type potential? No?
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Potential? Yeah. His game tape in college is pretty terrible though. He's a pure projection. Tannehill lacked the sample size, but displayed the traits necessary of a successful QB. Manuel didn't. He's fast and has a live arm. His decision making, accuracy, and consistency was terrible. He's a very interesting round 3 or 4 developmental project, but that's it. I'll feel better about him if he goes to a guy like Chip Kelly though, he needs a ton of work.

 
Really interested in seeing where these guys end up going. The 'buzz' about Geno Smith falling reeks of teams wanting him to fall -- I still bet he is the QB1 and doesn't make it out of the top 10.

 
wdcrob said:
Barkley -- could be Pennington, could be Brees. Best QB in the class?

Manuel -- not sure if he's got enough speed to play true read option, but he'll need to rely on his legs. Takes too many sacks for non-running QB. Boom/bust, but high ceiling might make it worthwhile.

Bray -- very high ceiling, but not ready today. Getting drafted by a good team with an older QB would be ideal.

Smith -- I'm not sold. Takes too many sacks in the pocket and doesn't have the bulk to take hits that come with being a running QB.

Nassib -- if everything goes right he might be Jay Cutler. But probably he's just terrible.
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Agree on everyone except Bray. IMO, he has a slow release and seems to float his throws. I saw passes where he should have been intercepted but the DB made a bad play or he was bailed out by his WRs. He also seemed to hesitate on a lot of his throws which might be why so many of them were contested. Throws a nice deep ball, but that's about it. What did you see when you watched him?

 
ShaHBucks said:
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). You’re better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally I’ve been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues.
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I have my disagreements with some of your rankings, but a big :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: to this sentiment.

I think Foles will outperform every single name on your list from both an NFL and a fantasy perspective over the next 5 years.

And so help me God, if the Eagles blow a first-rounder on either Smith or Manuel as the 4th QB on their roster ... and then ship off the one guy of those four who actually has a future at the position ... I'm going to give serious thought to becoming a full-time Saints fan.

 
jonboltz said:
Really interested in seeing where these guys end up going. The 'buzz' about Geno Smith falling reeks of teams wanting him to fall -- I still bet he is the QB1 and doesn't make it out of the top 10.
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Talk now is of the Jags taking him. He's a reach but it wouldn't surprise me.

 
Xue said:
ShaHBucks said:
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). Youre better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally Ive been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues. Plan B for me is to pair up two of these guys in my top 7-8 and hope one of them hits. I really don't like following mainstream advice but they were right this time about this class. Feel like I waste my time but now I just wan't to see what you guys think.

[*]Ryan Nassib- Already wrote him up. I said in January once people see his arm his stock would sky rocket. Most of that had to do with Geno/Barkly flaws. The rest was him probably being the best QB in the class.

[*]E.J. Manuel- If he would have ran a low 4.5 then hed be my guy. More Freeman than Kaepernick.

[*]Landry Jones- One of the few that actually had great stretches in his college career. Hes one I could grab and actually have some hope.

[*]Ryan Radcliff- Needs Work. Im shocked nobody is on his bandwagon. He has size, arm strength, and makes good reads. Just plays too sloppy. Check his numbers and he shows his ### vs the better competition on the schedule, and then fades vs ok/bad teams which make no sense. Maybe he was bored? Way better MAC Qb than Dysert. Best part about him is you probably wont have to spend a pick on him. He can sit on the watchlist for 2-3 years. I think he starts one day.

[*]Tino Sunseri- Granted 6th year of eligibility. Sucked last year but was great this year. Doesnt matter now.

[*]Mike Glennon- Eli/ Matt Ryan/Tannehill mold. Depends what you think of those guys. Hes another I could draft and cross my fingers for the potential.

[*]Geno Smith- Hes been sliding. Way too many question marks now. Spotty performance, low wonderlick, size, gimmick offense ect NFL standpoint Id rather trade for Foles.

[*]Collin Klien- At this point hes a value pick. Throwing motion wasnt a problem when he was being discussed as a Heisman candidate. Why now? SF, WAS and SEA should place more value on him than other teams. He can be a read-option back up.

[*]Matt Scott- I like him but I was probably reaching.

[*]Brad Sorensen- Hes here because I dont like odd numbers and I didnt want to put Matt Barkley just to be a ###. Hes huge, mobile, with a nice arm. Accuracy and turnover issues. His physical profile should get him drafted. There is some upside depending on his situation. Id rather gamble on him as a development qb than the guys I mentioned before as bust. If he goes to a team that is stable enough to groom him for 3-4 years he could have a chance. Just a guy you might want to know. He could do Ok in stretches vs weak competition. Being wrong will cost nothing.

#SB I have no clue why FBG staff likes Tyler Wilson.
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Funny you say Geno played in a gimmick offense. So did Manuel.Funny you like Foles, but not Dysert. Foles is who Dysert reminds me of most.
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I think Dysert deserves a NFL look for his size and good mechanics. More so as a UDFA that could develope behind a established starter. Theres no reason to chase a ok/developement qb in this class when it is full of them. He threw 350 more passes than Big Ben, so I'm not impressed that he broke Ben's records. I watched him vs winning/big conf teams and he didn't do much. O. St, Cincy and Bois he piled up stats in garbage time with negative turnover/int ratio. When he played losing teams or d2 schools he had great games. His celing is a scrappy Rex Grossman. Or another B.J coleman. I don't ever think he could reach a All-Pro level. There's guys in this draft, or any draft, that are just as interesting. Why waste a pick?

 
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werdnoynek said:
ShaHBucks said:
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). Youre better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally Ive been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues. Plan B for me is to pair up two of these guys in my top 7-8 and hope one of them hits. I really don't like following mainstream advice but they were right this time about this class. Feel like I waste my time but now I just wan't to see what you guys think.

[*]Ryan Nassib- Already wrote him up. I said in January once people see his arm his stock would sky rocket. Most of that had to do with Geno/Barkly flaws. The rest was him probably being the best QB in the class.

[*]E.J. Manuel- If he would have ran a low 4.5 then hed be my guy. More Freeman than Kaepernick.

[*]Landry Jones- One of the few that actually had great stretches in his college career. Hes one I could grab and actually have some hope.

[*]Ryan Radcliff- Needs Work. Im shocked nobody is on his bandwagon. He has size, arm strength, and makes good reads. Just plays too sloppy. Check his numbers and he shows his ### vs the better competition on the schedule, and then fades vs ok/bad teams which make no sense. Maybe he was bored? Way better MAC Qb than Dysert. Best part about him is you probably wont have to spend a pick on him. He can sit on the watchlist for 2-3 years. I think he starts one day.

[*]Tino Sunseri- Granted 6th year of eligibility. Sucked last year but was great this year. Doesnt matter now.

[*]Mike Glennon- Eli/ Matt Ryan/Tannehill mold. Depends what you think of those guys. Hes another I could draft and cross my fingers for the potential.

[*]Geno Smith- Hes been sliding. Way too many question marks now. Spotty performance, low wonderlick, size, gimmick offense ect NFL standpoint Id rather trade for Foles.

[*]Collin Klien- At this point hes a value pick. Throwing motion wasnt a problem when he was being discussed as a Heisman candidate. Why now? SF, WAS and SEA should place more value on him than other teams. He can be a read-option back up.

[*]Matt Scott- I like him but I was probably reaching.

[*]Brad Sorensen- Hes here because I dont like odd numbers and I didnt want to put Matt Barkley just to be a ###. Hes huge, mobile, with a nice arm. Accuracy and turnover issues. His physical profile should get him drafted. There is some upside depending on his situation. Id rather gamble on him as a development qb than the guys I mentioned before as bust. If he goes to a team that is stable enough to groom him for 3-4 years he could have a chance. Just a guy you might want to know. He could do Ok in stretches vs weak competition. Being wrong will cost nothing.

#SB I have no clue why FBG staff likes Tyler Wilson.
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Solid list. To question why anyone, let alone FBG likes Tyler Wilson is pretty strange IMO. There's a couple people on your list that Wilson exceeds skill wise in most categories. He can make the NFL throws. I think Wilson tried to do too much last season. His toughness and leadership aren't questionable and something he excels at. With coaching and a year on the bench I think he's a starter in the NFL. He needs a solid OL and some coaching on footwork to make it to the next level, which is less than I have to say for others on your list.

I really do like the list though, I'd put Wilson at #3 and slide everyone else down.
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Tyler Wilson is short, not athletic, with a mediocre arm. That is fine in college but not as a potential NFL starter. He was definitly better as a Jr. running with Petrino's uptempo offense. He got by throwing screens and short cross-patterns. In the NFL you have to challenge the defense all over the field. If he would have built off his 2011 season then there would be a different story. Arkansas disappointed and so did he. I watched him vs Ole Miss, Texas A&M, So. Carolina, Miss State, LSU and he was just OK with a high amount of turnovers.I think he's Grossman without the arm strength. Best case scenario he links up with a uptempo OC like he did in college and produce for a stretch. If that happends I could see him having a Marc Bulger with Mike Martz career. That makes him a fringe starter/backup. That's a waste of a pick. I wouldn't even call him for a UDFA tryout. Can't understand how he makes anyones top 3. Lol that says a lot.

Re-Read the first line on Tyler Wilson on the RSP if you purchased it. I think Waldman nailed it there but then he goes and makes up some superhero story in his head.

 
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ShaHBucks said:
Final Pre-Draft QB Rankings

First off, #### this QB class. If your fantasy or NFL team is depending on these guys then I feel for you (not really). You’re better off just sucking this year and spread out your assets by shipping the pick. Personally I’ve been buying low on Nick Foles. Sounds crazy but his last 4 games as a starter he averaged 20ppg in my leagues. Plan B for me is to pair up two of these guys in my top 7-8 and hope one of them hits. I really don't like following mainstream advice but they were right this time about this class. Feel like I waste my time but now I just wan't to see what you guys think.

[*]Ryan Nassib- Already wrote him up. I said in January once people see his arm his stock would sky rocket. Most of that had to do with Geno/Barkly flaws. The rest was him probably being the best QB in the class.

[*]E.J. Manuel- If he would have ran a low 4.5 then he’d be my guy. More Freeman than Kaepernick.

[*]Landry Jones- One of the few that actually had great stretches in his college career. He’s one I could grab and actually have some hope.

[*]Ryan Radcliff- Needs Work. I’m shocked nobody is on his bandwagon. He has size, arm strength, and makes good reads. Just plays too sloppy. Check his numbers and he shows his ### vs the better competition on the schedule, and then fades vs ok/bad teams which make no sense. Maybe he was bored? Way better MAC Qb than Dysert. Best part about him is you probably won’t have to spend a pick on him. He can sit on the watchlist for 2-3 years. I think he starts one day.

[*]Tino Sunseri- Granted 6th year of eligibility. Sucked last year but was great this year. Doesn’t matter now.

[*]Mike Glennon- Eli/ Matt Ryan/Tannehill mold. Depends what you think of those guys. He’s another I could draft and cross my fingers for the potential.

[*]Geno Smith- He’s been sliding. Way too many question marks now. Spotty performance, low wonderlick, size, gimmick offense ect… NFL standpoint I’d rather trade for Foles.

[*]Collin Klien- At this point he’s a value pick. Throwing motion wasn’t a problem when he was being discussed as a Heisman candidate. Why now? SF, WAS and SEA should place more value on him than other teams. He can be a read-option back up.

[*]Matt Scott- I like him but I was probably reaching.

[*]Brad Sorensen- He’s here because I don’t like odd numbers and I didn’t want to put Matt Barkley just to be a ###. He’s huge, mobile, with a nice arm. Accuracy and turnover issues. His physical profile should get him drafted. There is some upside depending on his situation. I’d rather gamble on him as a development qb than the guys I mentioned before as bust. If he goes to a team that is stable enough to groom him for 3-4 years he could have a chance. Just a guy you might want to know. He could do Ok in stretches vs weak competition. Being wrong will cost nothing.

#SB I have no clue why FBG staff likes Tyler Wilson.
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Tino Sunseri is 6" 200 supposedly. I dropped him off this list. He was reportedly 6'2 220 when I first looked at him. And the eligibility thing was a hoax
 
Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

 
Faust said:
Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.
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He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

 
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