[Dynasty] 2013 QB Class (1 Viewer)

[gandalas]

Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

Possibly not, but do you honestly think that 28 year old Brandon Weedon would have been the #22 pick by the Browns had Barkley been available?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today: P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

Possibly not, but do you honestly think that 28 year old Brandon Weedon would have been the #22 pick by the Browns had Barkley been available?

I wonder if he got insurance from USC for dropping that far. I'm almost sure Lienart n Bush did for going back. Dam sure wasn't 10mil worth tho

 

[jonboltz]

Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

Possibly not, but do you honestly think that 28 year old Brandon Weedon would have been the #22 pick by the Browns had Barkley been available?

Yes. I also think that Osweiler would have went ahead of him as well; and possibly Foles too.

 

[Donnybrook]

Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

Possibly not, but do you honestly think that 28 year old Brandon Weedon would have been the #22 pick by the Browns had Barkley been available?

Yes. I also think that Osweiler would have went ahead of him as well; and possibly Foles too.

The majority of people around here thought that Barkley would go before Tannehill. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=638387&&page=2

 

[jonboltz]

Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

Possibly not, but do you honestly think that 28 year old Brandon Weedon would have been the #22 pick by the Browns had Barkley been available?

Yes. I also think that Osweiler would have went ahead of him as well; and possibly Foles too.

The majority of people around here thought that Barkley would go before Tannehill. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=638387&&page=2

When I want reliable analysis of a college QBs NFL prospects, I do not normally go to the Shark Pool.

 

[CR69]

Interesting excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

P.S.: Wondering what that extra year of school cost Barkley? He went 98th overall. Let's say he'd have been the eighth pick a year ago -- that's where Ryan Tannehill went. It's all speculation, of course. But the consensus was he'd have been a top 10 pick. Tannehill's deal: four years, $12.7 million. The 98th pick last year, Ravens center Gino Gradkowski, signed for four years and $2.58 million. Turns out it was a $10.1 million year of school for Matt Barkley.

He wasn't going 1.08 last year, either.

Possibly not, but do you honestly think that 28 year old Brandon Weedon would have been the #22 pick by the Browns had Barkley been available?

Yes. I also think that Osweiler would have went ahead of him as well; and possibly Foles too.

The majority of people around here thought that Barkley would go before Tannehill. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=638387&&page=2

When I want reliable analysis of a college QBs NFL prospects, I do not normally go to the Shark Pool.

Especially since most thought he was a late-1st or early-2nd round prospect THIS year and he went in the 4th. Who's to say the same thing wouldn't have happened last year? The media was big on him, doesn't look like the scouts were.

 

[Donnybrook]

Barkley was coming off a stellar 2011 season. He completed nearly 70 percent of his passes and had 39 TDs vs 7 ints. I think it is safe to say he would have went ahead of Osweiler and Foles.

 

[Tau837]

NFL teams don't get serious about analysis of prospects until they know they are entering the draft. To suggest he was a first round pick if he came out last year, much less a top 10 pick, is way off base IMO. Sure, he probably dropped further due to his 2012 season than he would have last year, but I agree with jonboltz that most or all of those QBs would have ultimately be picked ahead of him.

 

[Donnybrook]

NFL teams don't get serious about analysis of prospects until they know they are entering the draft. To suggest he was a first round pick if he came out last year, much less a top 10 pick, is way off base IMO. Sure, he probably dropped further due to his 2012 season than he would have last year, but I agree with jonboltz that most or all of those QBs would have ultimately be picked ahead of him.

It all this speculation at this point but Barkley looked very good in the 2011 season. He looked good in the triple OT game vs. Luck and Stanford. I don't think his stock could have been much higher. The Browns had an entirely diferrent front office at the time and all it takes is one GM/coach to fall in love with a player ie Josh McDaniel and Tebow. Barkley was also healthy coming off the 2011 season so he might preformed better in his post season workouts.

Since it all just speculation, it going to interesting to watch Teddy Bridgewater and AJ McCarrons, etc draft stock as the year goes by.

Edit: My memory is not what it used to be I was thought USC beat Stanford but it was the other way around.

 

[ShaHBucks]

NFL teams don't get serious about analysis of prospects until they know they are entering the draft. To suggest he was a first round pick if he came out last year, much less a top 10 pick, is way off base IMO. Sure, he probably dropped further due to his 2012 season than he would have last year, but I agree with jonboltz that most or all of those QBs would have ultimately be picked ahead of him.

It all this speculation at this point but Barkley looked very good in the 2011 season. He looked good in the triple OT game vs. Luck and Stanford. I don't think his stock could have been much higher. The Browns had an entirely diferrent front office at the time and all it takes is one GM/coach to fall in love with a player ie Josh McDaniel and Tebow. Barkley was also healthy coming off the 2011 season so he might preformed better in his post season workouts. Since it all just speculation, it going to interesting to watch Teddy Bridgewater and AJ McCarrons, etc draft stock as the year goes by. Edit: My memory is not what it used to be I was thought USC beat Stanford but it was the other way around.

I'm pretty sure he got his stats in OT. Mediocre/bad game before that. Scouts seen his flaws. He was just playing a lot more safe last year. This year it was like "let me prove you wrong" but he has limits as a player.

 

[Donnybrook]

One of the most interesting things in this draft was the 4th round and Ryan Nassib draft position. After Eagles trade up for Barkley at 4.01, I thought one of the other QB needy teams would take Nassib at least as a developmental QB. But instead this happens:

4.02 KC - pass

4.04 Jags - pass

4.06 Cards - pass

4.13 Giants - Ryan Nassib

Greg Cossel was touting Nassib as the best QB in the class and Russ Lande had him as his #1 prospect overall and these teams passed on him. I wonder if they will regret it later.

 

[massraider]

NFL teams don't get serious about analysis of prospects until they know they are entering the draft. To suggest he was a first round pick if he came out last year, much less a top 10 pick, is way off base IMO. Sure, he probably dropped further due to his 2012 season than he would have last year, but I agree with jonboltz that most or all of those QBs would have ultimately be picked ahead of him.

I have no idea who would have gone in front of him, but I do know that no people that are in charge of actually picking players scouted Barkley last year. He made it clear he was staying, and you always hear from NFL scouts that they don't scout juniors until February.

If you go and find some mock drafts from the fall, they are comically bad. Sports Illustrated did one that you can find online, right after the draft last year. Their #1 overall pick? Tyler Wilson. Mock drafts in December and January will have 12 guys that don't make the first.

No one can be 'right' in this argument, but the people saying that predicting a guys draft slot in October is useless have years and years of data on their side. This guy isn't Jadevon Clowney.

Peter King was wrong when he said there was a consensus on Barkley. When Barkley announced, teams hadn't even begun thinking about their boards. So any consensus came from who? WalterFootball? NFLDraftFreaks? CrazyDraftMockExpertsInsanity2013?? Come on.

 

[ShaHBucks]

One of the most interesting things in this draft was the 4th round and Ryan Nassib draft position. After Eagles trade up for Barkley at 4.01, I thought one of the other QB needy teams would take Nassib at least as a developmental QB. But instead this happens: 4.02 KC - pass4.04 Jags - pass4.06 Cards - pass4.13 Giants - Ryan Nassib Greg Cossel was touting Nassib as the best QB in the class and Russ Lande had him as his #1 prospect overall and these teams passed on him. I wonder if they will regret it later.

Teams are not the sharpest tools in the toolbox. The Jags should have used every pick they have on QB's

 

[ShaHBucks]

Matt Scott signed with the Jags. He could possible the first starter from this class..

 

[Faust]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...complishment-ending-the-stayinschool-argument

Barkley's big accomplishment? Ending the stay-in-school argument

Mike Freeman

The year was 2009 and the Arizona Cardinals locker room had mostly cleared out. Matt Leinart was just about to leave when he was asked if a final question could be asked. He smiled. Maybe, Leinart said.

At the time, Leinart was Kurt Warner's backup. It was the second consecutive season he'd been beaten out by Warner. By 2010, Leinart was Derek Anderson's backup.

In 2009, in that nearly empty locker room, Leinart was asked about regrets. He'd had the opportunity to come out of USC as a junior and would have almost assuredly been the No. 1 overall draft choice. He stayed at USC and was drafted 10th by Arizona the following year. The drop cost him millions.

When asked if he regretted the decision, Leinart did not hesitate. None, he said. Not a one. But then he added something interesting that went something like this: You are told a number of things by NFL teams about where you'd be drafted and many times those teams are wrong.

Leinart was being generous. The truth is that some teams obfuscate, obstruct, guess, lie, B.S., and cajole when it comes to telling picks -- officially or unofficially -- when they believe that player will be drafted. Teams have agendas they don't want to disclose to potential draftees.

Here we are a few years later, and another USC quarterback has failed to learn a valuable lesson from his fellow Trojan. If you want to play football for a living and you're ready, don't wait. Leave school. Just go.

While this draft was not talent-heavy, it contained a great lesson. This draft ended once and for all the argument about staying for one more year of school -- proven by Matt Barkley.

Barkley didn't just drop. He fell off a cliff only to be hit in the head by an Acme anvil. Like many others, Barkley was told if he stayed in school, he still would be a high first-round pick. He went in the fourth.

Had Barkley declared after his junior season, he likely would have been a top-five pick. A shoulder injury and slump during his senior season destroyed his stock.

The NFL's rookie wage scale dictates that Barkley will earn approximately a four-year contract worth about $2.5 million for its duration, with a $500,000 signing bonus. A top-10 pick, which he would have been in the 2012 draft, earns about $10 million guaranteed. At least.

The difference in prestige inside an NFL locker room also is dramatically different for a fourth-round pick vs. a first-rounder. While many outsiders don't understand it, veterans know a first-rounder likely will be around a great deal longer than a mid- or lower-round pick because more is invested in the first-round choice. There is the usual rookie hazing and silliness, but even then veterans respect a first-rounder more than a guy picked in fourth round or lower because they have to.

So, Barkley joins the Eagles with much less swagger as a fourth-rounder than he would have had after the 2012 draft -- had he made himself available.

Others may have failed Barkley, but nobody played a bigger part than Barkley. A football player should never test chance. Next to stand-up fighting, nothing is more violent than football, even for quarterbacks. The NFL, perhaps more than any other sports league, also makes it ridiculously easy to complete his college degree. They practically provide entire classrooms for players, which makes staying in school unnecessary.

NFL scouts and general managers can say there are numerous examples when staying in school improved someone's draft stock, but the NFL has a vested interest in keeping indentured servants, er, players in school as long as possible. College players are cattle and the longer the cattle graze the better it is for the farmer. Moooooo.

Colleges are the same. Barkley staying in school helped no one but the school. USC sold more Barkley jerseys and tickets -- and TV ratings improve with him at quarterback.

Soon, players finally will realize that staying for a senior season is self-destructive. Maybe as early as next year. Barkley may be the case that causes players to finally see the truth.

If you're ready for the NFL and you stay in school for that second year, you stand to lose so much.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Starting to think that guy was dead on about Geno Smith.

 

[Faust]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000165820/article/jets-feel-no-pressure-to-start-geno-smith-as-a-rookie

Jets feel 'no pressure' to start Geno Smith as a rookie

By Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

Geno Smith is the future for the New York Jets at quarterback. So when does that future begin?

The Jets likely will bite the bullet and stay with Mark Sanchez for one more season, paying him $8.5 million rather than release him and take the enormous cap that would come with it.

General manager John Idzik continued his media blitz on Wednesday, telling Sirius XM Radio that Sanchez's salary is not tied to his future.

"We take finances out of it," Idzik said, according to ESPN New York's Rich Cimini.

That can't possibly be true, and Idzik is better off avoiding making statements like this to media members and fans that know better. Sanchez already would be history had he not received that generous contract extension from Mike Tannenbaum last spring. That contract essentially wedded team and QB through 2013.

So Sanchez is in the awkward (albeit well-paid) position of being on a team that's moving on without him. There's plenty of logic to handing Smith the job as a rookie, but Idzik is keeping his options open.

"We don't feel like there's any pressure to put him in right away," Idzik said, "especially with the cast of quarterbacks we have."

The Jets' public stance that their quarterback room is suddenly a position of strength already is tiresome. "Strength in numbers" doesn't apply here.

Follow Dan Hanzus on Twitter @DanHanzus.

 

[Faust]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000165858/article/geno-smith-under-heavy-scrutiny-in-league-circles

Geno Smith under heavy 'scrutiny in league circles'

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League Editor

It's like the pre-draft process never ended for Geno Smith. Fresh off the New York Jets quarterback's decision to fire his agents, Smith continues to get picked apart nationally.

Yahoo! Sports wrote a long takedown of Smith on Wednesday that starts by saying the "quarterback is still under great scrutiny in league circles."

This wouldn't be the case if Smith was drafted by a team other than the New York Jets. This also wouldn't be the case if Smith's former agents didn't have an agenda.

The Yahoo! report reveals details of a private client dinner in New York last week during which Smith called his agents "family," saying they would stay together his entire career. Days later, after the draft-day free fall, Smith fired the agents. The agents responded by releasing a blame-shifting statement to the media Tuesday night.

Other information that did not paint Smith in a flattering light conveniently leaked out to reporters Tuesday and in the Yahoo! Sports article. Smith reportedly turned off some teams by spending too much time on his cellphone during visits rather than engaging with team officials.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people, and he was over there by himself. That's not what you want out of your quarterback," one unnamed source told Yahoo!.

A league executive in the piece questioned whether Smith knows how to take instruction and said that Smith has tuned out other voices "because he thinks he's got it all down."

Another anonymous source: "Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself, and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing."

Some of the criticisms about Smith's leadership style -- and how that style affected his draft stock -- could have merit. But Smith made a business decision to fire his agents, and he's getting punished for it in petty, unprofessional ways.

Clearly, his former agents have a score to settle.

Follow Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter @greggrosenthal.

 

[lod01]

Starting to think that guy was dead on about Geno Smith.

At least they won't pay this clown a ton of $ to be a bust.

 

[massraider]

Matt Scott signed with the Jags. He could possible the first starter from this class..

He could possibly be the first QB the Jags cut.

 

[massraider]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000165858/article/geno-smith-under-heavy-scrutiny-in-league-circles

Geno Smith under heavy 'scrutiny in league circles'

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League Editor

It's like the pre-draft process never ended for Geno Smith. Fresh off the New York Jets quarterback's decision to fire his agents, Smith continues to get picked apart nationally.

Yahoo! Sports wrote a long takedown of Smith on Wednesday that starts by saying the "quarterback is still under great scrutiny in league circles."

This wouldn't be the case if Smith was drafted by a team other than the New York Jets. This also wouldn't be the case if Smith's former agents didn't have an agenda.

The Yahoo! report reveals details of a private client dinner in New York last week during which Smith called his agents "family," saying they would stay together his entire career. Days later, after the draft-day free fall, Smith fired the agents. The agents responded by releasing a blame-shifting statement to the media Tuesday night.

Other information that did not paint Smith in a flattering light conveniently leaked out to reporters Tuesday and in the Yahoo! Sports article. Smith reportedly turned off some teams by spending too much time on his cellphone during visits rather than engaging with team officials.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people, and he was over there by himself. That's not what you want out of your quarterback," one unnamed source told Yahoo!.

A league executive in the piece questioned whether Smith knows how to take instruction and said that Smith has tuned out other voices "because he thinks he's got it all down."

Another anonymous source: "Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself, and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing."

Some of the criticisms about Smith's leadership style -- and how that style affected his draft stock -- could have merit. But Smith made a business decision to fire his agents, and he's getting punished for it in petty, unprofessional ways.

Clearly, his former agents have a score to settle.

Follow Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter @greggrosenthal.

I am not necessarily a believer in Smith, but that Yahoo thing was a hatchet job.

Seriously, anyone that gives any credence to the idea that Smith firing his agent somehow affects his professional performance, please explain to me what this phrase means:

"quarterback is still under great scrutiny in league circles."

League circles? Who is in" leagues circles' that would care enough to keep some other players 2nd round pick under scrutiny?

Ridiculous.

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree. I think Geno is going to bust but not because he fired his agent.

 

[ShaHBucks]

massraider, on 02 May 2013 - 13:33, said:

ShaHBucks, on 30 Apr 2013 - 23:01, said:Matt Scott signed with the Jags. He could possible the first starter from this class..

He could possibly be the first QB the Jags cut

I liked his film. This is the same coaching staff that drafted Rusell Wilson, so they could possibly give him a proper look in a read-option offense. Don't dismiss him. All he has to do is beat out Gabbert and Henne. The possibilities of 40-50 yards per game on the ground makes him a nice backup QB in most formats. I've even went to war with Tim Tebow for his 40 rushing yards and a rushing TD floor.

 

[Faust]

The Geno Smith character assassination continues:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000166740/article/anonymous-sources-keep-piling-on-jets-qb-geno-smith

Anonymous sources keep piling on Jets QB Geno Smith

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

Had Geno Smith been snatched up by, say, the San Diego Chargers to sit and learn behind Philip Rivers, you probably wouldn't be reading this.

Instead, Smith was drafted by the New York Jets, and the former West Virginia quarterback -- thrown into Gotham's media grinder -- now finds himself under a mountain of post-draft criticism.

ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini cited a league source to report Friday that at least one quarterback-needy team in the top 10 of the 2013 NFL Draft passed on Smith because of what they perceived as a "diva attitude" during his pre-draft visit.

Yahoo! Sports reported this week that Smith turned off teams by wasting time on his cellphone, texting friends and staying tethered to Twitter during meet-and-greets with a host of teams.

When Smith slid right out of the first round last Thursday night, he made waves by threatening to fly home. More trouble came when he fired his agents after the draft.

"He's going to have a tough time in New York," one anonymous NFC scout told Cimini. "Right now, he's coming off as a spoiled, pampered brat."

The Jets weren't overly thrilled with Smith's combine interview, but general manager John Idzik raved about the quarterback after flying to Morgantown for a second visit. The Jets came away with a "real good feel" for Smith, Idzik said, and that's really all that matters.

Smith has been squeaky clean off the field, but who could guess from the snowstorm of criticism he's facing. After all, it takes little courage for anonymous scouts to pile on a player who hasn't taken a professional snap.

It takes plenty of courage to endure it.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.

 

[cstu]

Yahoo! Sports reported this week that Smith turned off teams by wasting time on his cellphone, texting friends and staying tethered to Twitter during meet-and-greets with a host of teams.

That's what kids are like today. I hate it but what can you do?

 

[cstu]

I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

There's a ton of pressure on Freeman. If he doesn't get back to the QB he was in 2010 then the Bucs aren't going to re-sign him and move on with Glennon.

 

[JetMaxx]

Yahoo! Sports reported this week that Smith turned off teams by wasting time on his cellphone, texting friends and staying tethered to Twitter during meet-and-greets with a host of teams.

That's what kids are like today. I hate it but what can you do?

I want a adult to be the face of the franchise, not a kid.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

There's a ton of pressure on Freeman. If he doesn't get back to the QB he was in 2010 then the Bucs aren't going to re-sign him and move on with Glennon.

The way Schiano treated Blount it might be the case anyway. Glennon reminds me of Manning, sometimes he sucks and sometimes he's cerebral.

 

[massraider]

Yahoo! Sports reported this week that Smith turned off teams by wasting time on his cellphone, texting friends and staying tethered to Twitter during meet-and-greets with a host of teams.

That's what kids are like today. I hate it but what can you do?

If every kid that entered team interviews was on Twitter and texting, we wouldn't hear about it.

 

[Sabertooth]

I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

There's a ton of pressure on Freeman. If he doesn't get back to the QB he was in 2010 then the Bucs aren't going to re-sign him and move on with Glennon.

The way Schiano treated Blount it might be the case anyway. Glennon reminds me of Manning, sometimes he sucks and sometimes he's cerebral.

Which Manning? Archie?

 

[Sabertooth]

I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

There's a ton of pressure on Freeman. If he doesn't get back to the QB he was in 2010 then the Bucs aren't going to re-sign him and move on with Glennon.

I could see Freeman moving on next year or I could see him turning in his best season as a pro.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

One of the most interesting things in this draft was the 4th round and Ryan Nassib draft position. After Eagles trade up for Barkley at 4.01, I thought one of the other QB needy teams would take Nassib at least as a developmental QB. But instead this happens: 4.02 KC - pass4.04 Jags - pass4.06 Cards - pass4.13 Giants - Ryan Nassib Greg Cossel was touting Nassib as the best QB in the class and Russ Lande had him as his #1 prospect overall and these teams passed on him. I wonder if they will regret it later.

which of those teams has the best front office and consistent superbowl contending team? The one that took NAssib

 

[Faust]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...n-to-flourish-more-than-any-other-qb-in-draft

Manuel in position to flourish more than any other QB in draft

 

[Faust]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/c...-a-badweather-qb-it-sealed-the-deal-for-bills

EJ Manuel a bad-weather QB? It sealed the deal for the Buffalo Bills
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...o-bills-like-ej-manuels-hands-badweather-play

Buffalo Bills like EJ Manuel's hands, bad-weather play

 

[ShaHBucks]

I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

There's a ton of pressure on Freeman. If he doesn't get back to the QB he was in 2010 then the Bucs aren't going to re-sign him and move on with Glennon.

The way Schiano treated Blount it might be the case anyway. Glennon reminds me of Manning, sometimes he sucks and sometimes he's cerebral.

Which Manning? Archie?

Eli

 

[cstu]

I was curious about Gruden talking with Glennon and telling him that he could have played anywhere in the country, so why did he stay at NC State? He said it was the pro style offense. He seems like a smart kid. It has been said that he has the best arm in this class. You'd have to think he could add 15 lbs to the 6'6+ frame pretty easily. I have the 10th pick in a 2QB league and that is my target as of right now. Although in that format he might be gone by 5.

There's a ton of pressure on Freeman. If he doesn't get back to the QB he was in 2010 then the Bucs aren't going to re-sign him and move on with Glennon.

The way Schiano treated Blount it might be the case anyway. Glennon reminds me of Manning, sometimes he sucks and sometimes he's cerebral.

Me too, see bolded.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Mike Glennon has been the best rookie QB I've watched from this class. It probably wont mean much for fantasy purposes.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I was just reading through some of this thread. It shocking how a player like Matt McGloin could perform better than Geno Smith. People actually get paid for making decisions like that. Smh

 

[Raider Nation]

Greg Cosell says Smith, Manuel, Barkley and Nassib are going in the 1st round. He has Nassib rated the highest. What I say to that is that someone will get a steal in Glennon. I'm hitching my wagon to him being the best QB in the class. He'll grow into his body with an NFL conditioning program, and he'll be coached up to avoid making some of the mistakes he made last season. His arm was never in question and he's a smart kid.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Greg Cosell says Smith, Manuel, Barkley and Nassib are going in the 1st round. He has Nassib rated the highest. What I say to that is that someone will get a steal in Glennon. I'm hitching my wagon to him being the best QB in the class. He'll grow into his body with an NFL conditioning program, and he'll be coached up to avoid making some of the mistakes he made last season. His arm was never in question and he's a smart kid.

I had Glennon somewhere in-between Eli and Ryan. He's looking more Matt Ryan for FF than Eli. Nice call!

 

[Xue]

I was just reading through some of this thread. It shocking how a player like Matt McGloin could perform better than Geno Smith. People actually get paid for making decisions like that. Smh

It's only been 2 games for McGloin. He has it between the ears, but he's not a long-term starter.