[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)

[werdnoynek]

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.ETA: I realized just now I quoted the wrong post. But I can answer the question... That talent that makes Green so special is his body control and his tracking ability. He's explosive off the line and has a sneaky quickness or smooth twitchiness (if that makes any sense at all). Matthews seems too straight line IMO and lacks that explosion off the line. I'm not sold on his hands and concentration. He has no where near the body control Green has either. Combine was impressive but he's got a lot of work to do to be compared to Green.

That's a good way of putting it. I understand what you're saying about Green's twitchiness/suddenness. Matthews does not have that. He does however have Greens speed/size and route running ability. Plus he's stronger and he has better hands. That's a rare/elite combination.The kids totally being overlooked right now because it seems like we already decided he wasn't WR1 material and kind of moved on. Me included. Why though? We thought he was slow. Well he's not. We thought he was weak. Nope. He benched 225 as much as Clowney.

Are you too hung up on numbers? Just wondering as you are "meh" on Watkins when the NFL sees a 6', 4.4 40 as a top 10 pick, yet you are the opposite on Matthews vs NFL.

Watkins is a nice prospect but how many 6'0 wr that run 4.4 does the nfl have?

Ever watch him play?

 

[doowain]

Are you too hung up on numbers? Just wondering as you are "meh" on Watkins when the NFL sees a 6', 4.4 40 as a top 10 pick, yet you are the opposite on Matthews vs NFL.

Watkins is a nice prospect but how many 6'0 wr that run 4.4 does the nfl have?

I think you guys mean 6'1.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

 

[doowain]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

Really?

 

[Milkman]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

Really?

Yeah NFL.com for some reason averages up or down. Watkins measured in under 6'1

http://walterfootball.com/combine2014WR.php

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33609

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

Really?

Yeah NFL.com for some reason averages up or down. Watkins measured in under 6'1

http://walterfootball.com/combine2014WR.php

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33609

You were wrong anyway. He isn't 6'.

 

[matttyl]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

 

[Milkman]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

Really?

Yeah NFL.com for some reason averages up or down. Watkins measured in under 6'1

http://walterfootball.com/combine2014WR.php

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33609

You were wrong anyway. He isn't 6'.

yawn

 

[doowain]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

Really?

Yeah NFL.com for some reason averages up or down. Watkins measured in under 6'1

http://walterfootball.com/combine2014WR.php

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33609

So they rounded up from 6' 3/4". Which means he isn't 6'0. Got it.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Yeah he's not 6'1.

Really?

Yeah NFL.com for some reason averages up or down. Watkins measured in under 6'1

http://walterfootball.com/combine2014WR.php

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33609

You were wrong anyway. He isn't 6'.

yawn

Don't be jealous I can out obtuse you.

 

[Milkman]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

 

[Milkman]

Matthews vs Ole Miss 10-178-1

Evans vs Ole Miss 4-46-0

Matthews vs Missouri 7-123-1

Evans vs Missouri 4-8-0

Keep in mind the level of QB play. One WR has a QB projected to be drafted in the top 10 of this years draft.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

All-time WR yard leaders

3-Isaac Bruce 6'0

5-Tim Brown 6'0

6-Marvin Harrison 6'0

9-Henry Ellard 5'11

10-Reggie Wayne 6'0

11-Torry Holt 6'0

There are tons of guys who have been very successful. It's actually a bit of an anomaly to have so many guys like Calvin, AJ Green, Julio and DT at the same time. Roddy White is misleading. He is often cited as a player who isn't a great athlete yet has been very successful. People brought up him a lot with Hopkins last year. I don't think many people question if Watkins is a great athlete.

Seems to me like Watkins is ahead by a decent margin but if you don't like him trade down from 1.01.

My problem with this draft is the top 5 is pretty week. Nobody has really seperated from the pack and there's not a huge difference from 1.02 to 1.12. It seems like a very deep draft (at least until a few players slip in the NFL draft) but there just isn't a lot of top-end talent to me. That's the reason I don't see anyone challenging Watkins, even if he goes to a bad spot.

 

[Milkman]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

All-time WR yard leaders

3-Isaac Bruce 6'0

5-Tim Brown 6'0

6-Marvin Harrison 6'0

9-Henry Ellard 5'11

10-Reggie Wayne 6'0

11-Torry Holt 6'0

There are tons of guys who have been very successful. It's actually a bit of an anomaly to have so many guys like Calvin, AJ Green, Julio and DT at the same time. Roddy White is misleading. He is often cited as a player who isn't a great athlete yet has been very successful. People brought up him a lot with Hopkins last year. I don't think many people question if Watkins is a great athlete.

Seems to me like Watkins is ahead by a decent margin but if you don't like him trade down from 1.01.

My problem with this draft is the top 5 is pretty week. Nobody has really seperated from the pack and there's not a huge difference from 1.02 to 1.12. It seems like a very deep draft (at least until a few players slip in the NFL draft) but there just isn't a lot of top-end talent to me. That's the reason I don't see anyone challenging Watkins, even if he goes to a bad spot.

Check out the QB's some of those guys played with.

 

[werdnoynek]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

All-time WR yard leaders

3-Isaac Bruce 6'0

5-Tim Brown 6'0

6-Marvin Harrison 6'0

9-Henry Ellard 5'11

10-Reggie Wayne 6'0

11-Torry Holt 6'0

There are tons of guys who have been very successful. It's actually a bit of an anomaly to have so many guys like Calvin, AJ Green, Julio and DT at the same time. Roddy White is misleading. He is often cited as a player who isn't a great athlete yet has been very successful. People brought up him a lot with Hopkins last year. I don't think many people question if Watkins is a great athlete.

Seems to me like Watkins is ahead by a decent margin but if you don't like him trade down from 1.01.

My problem with this draft is the top 5 is pretty week. Nobody has really seperated from the pack and there's not a huge difference from 1.02 to 1.12. It seems like a very deep draft (at least until a few players slip in the NFL draft) but there just isn't a lot of top-end talent to me. That's the reason I don't see anyone challenging Watkins, even if he goes to a bad spot.

Check out the QB's some of those guys played with.

 

[Faust]

2014 NFL Draft: Top 50 Draft Board 2.0


By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst

February 26, 2014 1:51 am ET

Each draft season, I do four top-50 draft boards: one after the All-Star games, one post-combine, one after most pro days and then a final one in the days leading up to the draft in May.

The 2014 NFL combine is in the books and as we sift through the 40-yard dash times and bench press reps, it's important to not lose sight of the base opinions that were derived from the game tapes that got us to this point. There are some minor tweaks to my updated top-50 draft board, but nothing major and no changes in my top-10.

There is one new addition to my top-50 draft board as Boise State DE Demarcus Lawrence checks in and Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins falls out from my first draft board. Here's a look at my initial top-50 Draft Board.

Top-50 Draft Board 2.0

1. Teddy Bridgewater QB, Louisville (6-2, 214, 4.67, JR)
While disappointing that he didn't throw at the Combine, Bridgewater remains at No. 1 on my draft board. His natural passing talent and ability to digest and process information above the neck are the reasons he is still my top prospect in this draft class.

2. Jadeveon Clowney DE, South Carolina (6-5, 266, 4.53, JR)
With a 4.53 40-yard dash and 37.5” vertical, Clowney confirmed what we already knew – he's a freak athlete. But the football character concerns are still there and while he has immense potential, does he have the motivation to reach his NFL ceiling?

3. Greg Robinson OT, Auburn (6-5, 332, 4.92, rSoph)
While we expected good numbers from the athletic marvel, Robinson impressed us all with a 4.92 40-yard dash, showing off his strength as well with 32 reps on the bench press. Yes, he's still developing in pass protection, but his athletic upside is awesome.

4. Khalil Mack OLB, Buffalo (6-3, 251, 4.65, rSR)
A versatile, relentless pass rusher, Mack was extremely productive in college and holds several career NCAA records, including forced fumbles (16) and tackles for loss (75). He is always around the ball with his combination of speed, power and awareness.

5. Jake Matthews OT, Texas A&M (6-5, 308, 5.07, SR)
Probably the “safest” prospect in this class, Matthews started three seasons at right tackle before moving to the left side in 2013. He had a solid performance at the Combine, which confirmed his athleticism, fundamentally-sound technique and high football character.

6. Anthony Barr OLB, UCLA (6-5, 255, 4.66, 4SR)
A former running back, Barr moved pass rusher last season and excelled at backer for the Bruins, totaling 41.5 tackles for loss the past two seasons. He needs to refine some technical aspects of his game, but his speed/strength off the edge is exciting.

7. Sammy Watkins WR, Clemson (6-1, 211, 4.43, JR)
With a 4.43 40-yard dash, Watkins showed off his athleticism at the Combine and backed up what his tape tells us as well. He needs some polish in a few areas, but he has above average vision and acceleration and projects as a borderline WR1/WR2 in the NFL.

8. Eric Ebron TE, North Carolina (6-4, 250, 4.60, JR)
A wide receiver in a tight end's body, Ebron is a freakish athlete with the ability to make highlight-reel catches look easy. He is a work-in-progress as a blocker and will drop some easy ones, but his fluid athleticism and playmaking ability at the position are near elite.

9. Blake Bortles QB, UCF (6-5, 232, 4.93, rJR)
With the other top quarterbacks choosing not to throw, Bortles took advantage of the big stage in Indianapolis and performed well, tossing strikes and looking comfortable doing so. He remains the favorite to be the No. 1 pick to the Houston Texans in my mind.

10. Mike Evans WR, Texas A&M (6-5, 231, 4.53, rSoph)
A physical, imposing target, Evans was Johnny Football's No. 1 target and safety valve in College Station the past two seasons. He isn't the fastest or most fluid athlete, but he boxes out defenders and has a large catching radius to dominate at the catch point.

11. Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan (6-7, 309, 4.87, rSR)
While he shows his light feet on tape, Lewan backed it up at the Combine with excellent numbers in the agility and positional drills. He needs to keep his emotions under control on the football field and play with more consistency, but he has all the tools to start at left tackle in the NFL.

12. Louis Nix DT, Notre Dame (6-2, 331, 5.42, rJR)
An athletic nose tackle, Nix has monster ability, consistently making plays behind, up and down the line of scrimmage. A knee injury contributed to an up-and-down 2013 season, but he is very active for his size and a double-team magnet – impact doesn't always show in the box score.

13. Calvin Pryor FS, Louisville (5-11, 207, 4.58, JR)
A heat-seeking missile in the secondary, Pryor has physical take-on strength and wraps and drives through his target with violence. He will freelance too much at times, but he displays the athleticism and fluid change of motion to hold up in the deep half of the field.

14. C.J. Mosley OLB/ILB, Alabama (6-2, 234, 4.65, SR)
Mosley is a smart, assignment sound player who was the leader of the Alabama defense. He doesn't play a sexy position, but has an accurate first step with a consistently disciplined approach to the game, playing at the same speed and temperament on each snap.

15. Zach Martin OG, Notre Dame (6-4, 308, 5.22, rSR)
The top prospect in Mobile this year, Martin manned the left tackle spot the last four years at Notre Dame, but he projects best inside where he could be a future Pro Bowler. Martin keeps his frame square and low with the foot quickness to mirror and strong hands to punch.

16. Aaron Donald DT, Pittsburgh (6-1, 285, 4.68, SR)
While Clowney received most of the publicity, Donald had the best Combine performance among the defensive linemen with a 4.68 40-yard dash, 32” vertical jump and 35 reps on the bench press. He lacks ideal size, but uses his natural leverage to his advantage.

17. Darqueze Dennard CB, Michigan State (5-11, 199, 4.52, SR)
The 2013 winner of the Thorpe Award, Dennard has average speed and size for the position, but he is smart, competitive and confident. If he can cut down on the downfield contact, Dennard has a chance to be a very good cover man in the NFL for a long time.

18. *Hasean Clinton-Dix FS, Alabama (6-1, 208, 4.58, JR)
A rangy, fluid athlete, Clinton-Dix covers a lot of ground against both the pass and the run and projects to either free or strong safety. He has the aggressive nature to attack ballcarriers and shows the read/react quickness to diagnose and take accurate angles in coverage.

19. Carl Bradford OLB, Arizona State (6-1, 250, 4.76, rJR)
The top defender from an underrated Sun Devil defense, Bradford is an intense and energetic rusher who finds a way to get to the quarterback. He has some tweener traits and won't fit every defense, but he has the initial quickness and power to be effective as a stand-up rusher.

20. Brandin Cooks WR, Oregon State (5-10, 189, 4.33, JR)
A receiver with joystick athleticism, Cooks has lightning-fast feet and jitterbug quickness to create separation and do something after the catch. He'll have some drops with his smaller hands, but Cooks seems to be moving at a different speed than everyone else on the field.

21. Kony Ealy DE, Missouri (6-4, 273, 4.92, rJR)
A good-sized athlete with plus length, Ealy displays smooth acceleration off the edge and bends the arc very well. He is still a tad raw with ball awareness, but he is a forceful striker with the NFL tools to line up inside or outside at the next level.

22. Ryan Shazier OLB, Ohio State (6-1, 2367 4.58, JR)
One of the few bright spots on an inconsistent Ohio State defense, Shazier finished his 2013 season with 143 total tackles and 22.5 tackles for loss. He lacks ideal bulk and has some discipline issues, but his blend of explosive quickness and initial strength is awesome.

23. Scott Crichton DE, Oregon State (6-3, 273, 4.84, rJR)
Crichton has a powerful first step with impressive initial momentum to attack blockers and bully them backwards like a battering ram. He lacks ideal fluidity, but has some lower body explosion with a nonstop relentless motor to finish plays with hustle and motivation.

24. Kyle Fuller CB, Virginia Tech (6-0, 190, 4.49, SR)
A versatile defensive back, Fuller is aggressive and smart and the game appears to come natural to him. He is an inconsistent tackler and needs to stay healthy, but he has the smooth hips, transition skills and ballskills to be a NFL starter at cornerback.

25. *Xavier Su'a-Filo OG, UCLA (6-4, 307, 5.04, JR)
Su'a-Filo lined up at left guard and left tackle this past season for the Bruins and played consistently well for the Bruins productive offense. He gets himself in trouble when he overextends himself, but he is an easy bender with a strong base to engage at the point of attack.

26. Jason Verrett CB, TCU (5-9, 189, 4.38, SR)
Although undersized with only good, not great, speed (plays more like 4.5, not 4.3), Verrett is a feisty and physical player with ballhawking read/react quickness. He is ideally suited to be an inside corner with his swivel hips and physical nature to cover the slot and be reliable vs. the run.

27. Jace Amaro TE, Texas Tech (6-5, 265, 4.74, JR)
Amaro played more of a slot receiver position in college and projects as a joker tight end at the next level. He has room to get stronger and mature both physically and emotionally, but his speed and toughness project well to the next level.

28. Marcus Roberson CB, Florida (6-0, 191, 4.61, JR)
A fearless, confident cover corner, Roberson battled through several injuries in 2013, most notably a left knee issue. But when healthy, he has the footwork, movement skills and competitive nature to blanket receivers along with the instincts to make plays on the ball.

29. Justin Gilbert CB, Oklahoma State (6-0, 202, 4.37, SR)
Gilbert had an excellent Combine, highlighted by a 4.37 40-yard dash, which will likely move him up draft boards, possibly into the top-10. However, he still has questions with his footwork and technique to be a consistent cover man up and down the field.

30. Derek Carr QB, Fresno State (6-2, 214, 4.69, rSR)
David Carr's little brother, Carr has top-shelf arm strength with the ability to make every NFL throw needed. His issues with pressure and footwork are easy to see, but he is ultracompetitive with enough size and mobility to start at the NFL level.

31. Cyrus Kouandijio OT, Alabama (6-5, 322, 5.59, JR)
With some lingering durability concerns regarding his knees, Kouandjio's draft stock is in flux right now as teams figure out the truth behind his past injuries. But if he's healthy, Kouandjio has the athletic and natural upside to start at the next level.

32. Kyle Van Noy OLB, BYU (6-3, 243, 4.71, SR)
The type of player who scratches and crawls his way to the ballcarrier, Van Noy is twitchy off the snap with smooth hips and footwork in space. He needs to get stronger and continue to develop his pass rush moves, but he can do a lot of things, not just rush the pocket.

33. Johnny Manziel QB, Texas A&M (6-0, 207, 4.68, rSoph)
A magician at the quarterback position, Manziel has the arm strength, competitive spirit and natural instincts that make him an exciting football player. But his decision-making and durability are strong questions marks, making his transition to the NFL difficult to predict.

34. Marqise Lee WR, USC (6-0, 192, 4.52, JR)
Lee set several program records for the Trojans over his career and is a fun player to watch with the ball. He does have some medical concerns with his knee and will have his share of drops, but Lee has cat-like quickness to get open and create as a ballcarrier.

35. Jarvis Landry WR, LSU (5-11, 205, 4.77, JR)
A pair of the strongest hands in the draft, Landry has big mitts to secure grabs and make the tough catches look easy. He's not an elite size/speed athlete, which was evident at the Combine, but he is a disciplined route runner with above average body control, ballskills and competitiveness.

36. Troy Niklas TE, Notre Dame (6-6, 270, 4.84, JR)
The best blocking tight end in this class, Niklas is a former defensive lineman who is still developing on offense. He is a long, lumbering athlete in the Kyle Rudolph mold, but still has room to develop as a receiver with his route running and ballskills.

37. Allen Robinson WR, Penn State (6-2, 220, 4.60, JR)
A fluid, flexible athlete for his larger frame, Robinson was extremely productive the past two seasons and leaves Penn State with several school receiving records. He needs to eliminate the drops, but he is physical with deceiving acceleration to be a dangerous catch-and-go target.

38. Dee Ford DE, Auburn (6-2, 252, 4.67, SR)
An athletic edge rusher, Ford has explosive quickness with natural bend, acceleration and flexibility to get around blockers with natural speed. He didn't participate at the Combine due to a few injury concerns, but is expected to be healthy for Auburn's pro day.

39. Lamarcus Joyner FS, Florida State (5-8, 184, 4.55, SR)
Despite his short stature, Joyner is the type of player who is impossible to ignore because of the way he jumps off the tape. His lack of size will show up in man coverage and run support, but he plays fast and decisive with violent attitude, projecting him to a nickel role.

40. Odell Beckham WR, LSU (5-11, 198, 4.43, JR)
An impact return man on special teams, Beckham is a speedy, smooth athlete who has improved his hands and route running since he arrived in Baton Rouge. He shows very good shake-and-burst out of his cuts with a large catching radius to elevate and attack the ball.

41. Antonio Richardson OT, Tennessee (6-6, 336, 5.30, JR)
A heavy waist bender who gets lazy at times, Richardson has exciting potential because of his wide base, stout frame and vines for arms. His inconsistent technique makes it tough for him to sustain, but if he irons out the wrinkles, Richardson has a high NFL ceiling.

42. David Yankey OG, Stanford (6-6, 315, 5.48, rJR)
A three-year starter at left guard, Yankey shows very good initial surge with natural explosion in his lower body to overwhelm defenders. He is a natural athlete and active puller with good coordination to square up his target on the move and open holes at the second level.

43. Dominique Easley DT, Florida (6-2, 288, 4.93, SR)
Easley has battled several injuries over his career, most recently an ACL that sidelined him for most of 2013. But when healthy, he has a sudden first step to attack gaps before blockers can set up with the natural athleticism to track and finish at the ballcarrier.

44. Ra'Shede Hageman DT, Minnesota (6-6, 310, 5.02, rSR)
A tall, well-built athlete, Hageman moves well for his size with range to make plays up and down the line of scrimmage. He pops too high off the snap and lacks overpowering strength, but he's at his best when he controls his leverage and length, maybe best fitting at the five-technique.

45. Jimmie Ward SS, Northern Illinois (5-11, 193, 4.59, SR)
The top senior safety on the board, Ward is a versatile defensive back with cornerback movement skills and the physical mentality of a safety. He takes aggressive, confident angles in zone, but also shows the feet and athleticism to play tight in man coverage.

46. Billy Turner OG, North Dakota State (6-5, 315, 5.16, rSR)
The starting left tackle for three-time FCS Champions, Turner has quick feet and natural body control to hold his own in space and combo blocks. If he can learn to sink his hips and not bend so much at the waist, he has Pro Bowls in his future, probably best inside at guard.

47. Timmy Jernigan DT, Florida State (6-2, 299, 5.06, JR)
Jernigan is a flexible, bendy athlete for an interior lineman who is a tough guy to slow down when he wins off the snap. He needs to improve his hand use to shed and combat blockers, but when all the cylinders are firing, Jernigan can be tough to handle.

48. Kelvin Benjamin WR, Florida State (6-5, 240, 4.61, rSO)
A tall, long athlete, Benjamin is a large target with his huge catching radius to highpoint and use his long arms to pluck the ball from the sky. He is still unrefined as a route runner and needs to better finish plays, but his size/athleticism/length makes him an intriguing prospect.

49. Demarcus Lawrence DE, Boise State (6-3, 251, 4.80, JR)
Seferian-Jenkins looks the part and has the athleticism and blocking ability to match to potentially be the top all-around tight end in this class. He showed minimal improvement over his college career and needs to add more glass to his diet and put in the work to reach his full potential.

50. Bradley Roby CB, Ohio State (5-11, 194, 4.39, rJR)
Despite a forgettable 2013 season, Roby has the impressive speed and swivel hips that can't be taught. But his lack of height and length along with streaky technique and awareness makes him a work in progress and a player in need of hard-nosed defensive coaching

 

[doowain]

2014 NFL Draft: Top 50 Draft Board 2.0

By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst

February 26, 2014 1:51 am ET

Top-50 Draft Board 2.0

35. Jarvis Landry WR, LSU (5-11, 205, 4.77, JR)

A pair of the strongest hands in the draft, Landry has big mitts to secure grabs and make the tough catches look easy. He's not an elite size/speed athlete, which was evident at the Combine, but he is a disciplined route runner with above average body control, ballskills and competitiveness.

37. Allen Robinson WR, Penn State (6-2, 220, 4.60, JR)

A fluid, flexible athlete for his larger frame, Robinson was extremely productive the past two seasons and leaves Penn State with several school receiving records. He needs to eliminate the drops, but he is physical with deceiving acceleration to be a dangerous catch-and-go target.

40. Odell Beckham WR, LSU (5-11, 198, 4.43, JR)

An impact return man on special teams, Beckham is a speedy, smooth athlete who has improved his hands and route running since he arrived in Baton Rouge. He shows very good shake-and-burst out of his cuts with a large catching radius to elevate and attack the ball.

Beckham below Landry and Robinson? Goodness.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

All-time WR yard leaders

3-Isaac Bruce 6'0

5-Tim Brown 6'0

6-Marvin Harrison 6'0

9-Henry Ellard 5'11

10-Reggie Wayne 6'0

11-Torry Holt 6'0

There are tons of guys who have been very successful. It's actually a bit of an anomaly to have so many guys like Calvin, AJ Green, Julio and DT at the same time. Roddy White is misleading. He is often cited as a player who isn't a great athlete yet has been very successful. People brought up him a lot with Hopkins last year. I don't think many people question if Watkins is a great athlete.

Seems to me like Watkins is ahead by a decent margin but if you don't like him trade down from 1.01.

My problem with this draft is the top 5 is pretty week. Nobody has really seperated from the pack and there's not a huge difference from 1.02 to 1.12. It seems like a very deep draft (at least until a few players slip in the NFL draft) but there just isn't a lot of top-end talent to me. That's the reason I don't see anyone challenging Watkins, even if he goes to a bad spot.

Check out the QB's some of those guys played with.

1-Jerry Rice - Joe Montana & Steve Young

3-Randy Moss - Tom Brady & pre-injury Culpepper. Check out his Raider stats if you don't believe the first 2 qbs helped.

Henry Ellard - Jim Everett

Isaac Bruce/Holt - played over half of their careers with guys not named Warner. Bruce had one 1200 yard season with Warner. He had 3 without him.

Tim Brown - played with the Raiders. Enough said

There actually isn't a big correlation between size and needing an elite qb to be great. Fact is, almost all wrs need a good qb. Even the great Calvin Johnson had 1184 and less than a 1000 yards the 2 years Stafford was hurt. The 3 years since he has average over 1700. So Johnson was just an average to good wr without a qb with an elite arm. Stafford might make dumb mistakes and lock onto one wr but that doesn't hurt Johnson any, just the team.

I think this mainly comes from the success AJ Green has had with Dalton. Well, I can bring up Harvin's per game stats with Ponder and argue that a quick wr creates more separation and smaller players generally have better run-after-the-catch ability. Maybe a big plodder needs a qb who can throw into tighter windows because the defender is all over them? Green can make great catches with a defender all over him so maybe he's the anomaly there.

The other place I hear this a lot is Tavon Austin. He struggled because of Bradford? Maybe he just needed time to adapt to the NFL like pretty much all wrs do. Once again, look at the success Amendola had, per game, with Bradford at qb. People seem to be making excuses for Austin but to me he just needs to learn and it takes time. There were very unrealistic expectations for him last year. I saw people around here saying 1200 yards receiving/running was his floor.

The fact is, having a great qb always helps any wr and having a bad qb almost always hurts. I think it's very dangerous to assume that tall players don't need a qb and average to short players do. The stats don't back this up.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Jordan Matthews best comparison is AJ Green? Come on. AJ Green has arguably the best WR skills in the league, Matthews on the other hand is nowhere close to that. I'd say he has average WR skills for an NFL WR; he certainly doesn't have near as good of hands as people are talking about in here. Hell, he dropped 7.7% of balls thrown to him this season, whereas guys like Watkins, Evans, and Cooks dropped under 5%. That's especially bad considering 65% of the passes thrown to Matthews came within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage (stats found here). He also body catches quite a bit more than he should, probably a source for the drops. He's got good size, good speed, and he seems to be a hard worker, so chances are he'll be a productive NFL WR, but I really don't see stardom in his cards at all; he's a WR2 at best imo.

Part of this can be explained away. Matthews QB sucks.

Having a bad QB doesn't pardon Matthews for body catching when he should be catching the ball with his hands. And that Vanderbilt QB completed nearly 70% of his passes and averaged over 8 yards per attempt, those numbers are hardly terrible.

He completed 193 passes this year. I bet over half of them went to Matthews. Matthews also caught half the teams TD's. Matthews had 112 catches this year. He can catch the football. We'll see how Austyn Carta-Samuels does next year without an elite WR.

Will Samuels even be drafted? Serious question.

Certainly not, but that doesn't really indicate much about whether or not he was a good college QB. Heck, guys like Jake Locker and Kyle Boller were terrible college QBs, yet they were both 1st round NFL picks.

Yes Matthews can catch the ball, but I think he's definitely not at the level of guys like Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Adams, etc. in that regard.

 

[werdnoynek]

Jordan Matthews best comparison is AJ Green? Come on. AJ Green has arguably the best WR skills in the league, Matthews on the other hand is nowhere close to that. I'd say he has average WR skills for an NFL WR; he certainly doesn't have near as good of hands as people are talking about in here. Hell, he dropped 7.7% of balls thrown to him this season, whereas guys like Watkins, Evans, and Cooks dropped under 5%. That's especially bad considering 65% of the passes thrown to Matthews came within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage (stats found here). He also body catches quite a bit more than he should, probably a source for the drops. He's got good size, good speed, and he seems to be a hard worker, so chances are he'll be a productive NFL WR, but I really don't see stardom in his cards at all; he's a WR2 at best imo.

Part of this can be explained away. Matthews QB sucks.

Having a bad QB doesn't pardon Matthews for body catching when he should be catching the ball with his hands. And that Vanderbilt QB completed nearly 70% of his passes and averaged over 8 yards per attempt, those numbers are hardly terrible.

He completed 193 passes this year. I bet over half of them went to Matthews. Matthews also caught half the teams TD's. Matthews had 112 catches this year. He can catch the football. We'll see how Austyn Carta-Samuels does next year without an elite WR.

Will Samuels even be drafted? Serious question.

Certainly not, but that doesn't really indicate much about whether or not he was a good college QB. Heck, guys like Jake Locker and Kyle Boller were terrible college QBs, yet they were both 1st round NFL picks.

Yes Matthews can catch the ball, but I think he's definitely not at the level of guys like Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Adams, etc. in that regard.

 

[Bob Magaw]

He can easily add 5-6 pounds and be 6'3 220ish.

People often say this about prospects they like, but if you're going to assume that one guy is going to gain weight then shouldn't you also assume that lots of other people will gain weight? Relative to what NFL WRs were at the same stage of their development, he is on the thin/finesse side of the scale. I don't know how much development Mathews has left in the tank relative to the average NFL prospect, but I don't see any reason to assume that he's any more likely to suddenly bulk up than anyone else. He might be a little less likely to gain weight since he played four years of college and will be a 22 year old rookie compared to 21 year olds like Watkins and Robinson. The fact that he already benches the world tells me probably hasn't been missing a lot of workouts.

That's probably fair. Let's put it this way. Matthews is the same size and just as fast as AJ Green. He's also a little stronger. AJ Green was a mega-elite prospect. So what does that make Matthews? It will be interesting to see if he sneaks into the 1st round.........

Your forgetting the key to what makes Green so great. He isn't big or all that fast... He's got natural elite talent for the position. I can't take you seriously if you're comparing Green and Matthews while only looking at numbers (it seems). Green's talent transcends numbers. Matthews doesn't have that. He never will IMO. There's a lot more to being an elite NFL WR than a great combine and production in college.ETA: I realized just now I quoted the wrong post. But I can answer the question... That talent that makes Green so special is his body control and his tracking ability. He's explosive off the line and has a sneaky quickness or smooth twitchiness (if that makes any sense at all). Matthews seems too straight line IMO and lacks that explosion off the line. I'm not sold on his hands and concentration. He has no where near the body control Green has either. Combine was impressive but he's got a lot of work to do to be compared to Green.

With his body control and ball skills at his height, Green is more like Randy Moss than just about any WR I've seen. He didn't have his explosive speed, but it didn't cost him much (most receptions through his first three seasons in league history - 260?). Julio is a bonafide freak, and Green went before him, another testament to how rare and special he was commonly viewed by scouts. It's not just the triangle numbers (height, weight, speed). Green isn't the #1 or #2 overall in most dynasty startup leagues for nothing.

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

Under-the-radar QBs in the 2014 NFL Draft

02:30 – We've all heard the names Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater -- but which quarterbacks does Kurt Warner see as potential gems buried further down the draft order?

 

[Faust]

LSU WR Odell Beckham, Jr. leads the charge in Sunday’s first combine drills

By Doug Farrar

INDIANAPOLIS — Just as it was for the media on Friday, the arrival of the quarterbacks, running backs and receivers at the scouting combine signified prime time. And on Sunday (the last day of media availability), a handful of wretched and tired scribes were allowed to head in and watch the field drills, as quarterbacks threw to recievers. The first of two groups featured most of the big-name quarterbacks (Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, A.J. McCarron), though only Bortles and McCarron threw from that list.

More interesting to me was the first alphabetical half of a receiver group that’s as deep as any I’ve seen in recent years, and I wanted to watch LSU speedster Odell Beckham, Jr. above all. To say the least, he didn’t disappoint. After running unofficial 40-yard dashes timed anywhere from 4.31 to 4.40, Beckham went out and showed that he has many of the attributes that the NFL requires of its smaller, faster receivers.

Overall, the thing that impressed me most about Beckham in these drills was that he’s very comfortable with his speed. Not only is he track and field-fast, he also glides through routes and catches the ball with confidence. On the gauntlet drill, he ran through and caught everything, keeping his feet on the line all the way through. A lot of receivers weave through (Mike Evans had an issue with this), but Beckham stayed with his speed. He’s compact in his movements and doesn’t shoot out of line. This matches up with his game tape — even when he’s creating explosive plays, he’s consistent with his movements.

Beckham looked pretty good on the six-yard slant, making a quick in-cut to catch the ball. But on the 10-yard out to the left, he rounded his cut a bit, though he caught the ball. The 17-yard in-and-up was a bit more of an adventure — Beckham was a bit slow in his break off the line, and he rolled through the second pylon. And if there’s one thing I’d say he needs to work on, it’s the consistent ability to cut and keep with a quarterback’s timing. On deep routes with fewer angles, Beckham was in his element – fluid off the snap and great acceleration up the field. Moreover, that speed is consistent, meaning that quarterbacks can time him with confidence. And I believe that’s one of the more underrated attributes a receiver can have. He adjusted to his right and left on deeper routes to grab passes that were a bit off, and you love to see a player who can bail his quarterback out. Again, that’s consistent with his LSU tape.

Beckham was slightly choppy on the 12-yard curl, but he was clearly trying to be better with his cuts there, and he was okay. He ran through nicely and sank his hips into the breaks. The final route was a deep post corner, where the receiver starts at the 15-yard line, cuts in at the 26, out at the 34, and bends the route to about the 50-yard line. He sat in his breaks (adjusted to cut momentum) very well here and made another nice adjustment to catch the ball.

I had Beckham 19th on my pre-combine Big Board, but with the benefit of more game tape, and the ability to see him up close, I wouldn’t have any problem with a team taking him in the top 15. He’s a special talent with room at the top of his game for improvement at the NFL level.

Other receiver notes:

– Brandon Coleman from Rutgers was smooth in the gauntlet. Not especially fast, but he moved through well and showed good technique with the timing that drill requires. He was fluid through his cuts and high-pointed the ball well.

– Louisville’s Damian Copeland got into an early habit of body-catching in his first gauntlet, but worked that out in the second one. He’s aggressively fast.

– Texas A&M’s Mike Evans tended to weave in and out of line on the gauntlet, though he caught the ball well. Evans said that his best route in college was the vertical one, and that was very evident in drills. He moved to catch an errant throw in the slant, but struggled with keeping himself in line on others. The post corner saw him looking a bit lost — he is still struggling with transitions when asked to cut and move in exact ways. I’ve seen some comparisons to Vincent Jackson, and I see that at times on Evans’ tape, but in a general sense, I think he’s a bit slower, and he really slows down when he’s not running in a straight line.

– New Mexico State’s Austin Franklin dropped the middle three passes in his first gauntlet, but he did a nice job of adjusting to his left to make a catch on a deeper route. Overall, he showed nice cuts, but he was a bit slow to the ball.

– Oregon State’s Brandin Cooks had some of the nicer cuts in the first session, especially on the 17-yard in-and-up. Choppy at times, but high-pointed the ball. On the curl, he seemed to focus too much on the cuts to grab the throw.

– John Brown of Pittsburgh State was very smooth in the gauntlet — very good hands. He cut too early on the slant, though.

– Michigan’s Jeremy Gallon catches the ball low and fast — he looks almost like a running back at times. There’s a bit of Golden Tate in his overall look as a player. I loved how he didn’t let errant throws slow him down in the gauntlet. He was slow to the ball on the deep up-and-in, though. He was textbook from start to finish on the 10-yard up-and-out to the right — ran a clean route and caught the ball well. He staggered slightly after the second pylon on the curl, but recovered nicely, and that recovery speed is something that also shows up on tape.

– Coastal Carolina’s Charles Hazel was strong and smooth in the quick slant, though he had some issues staying upright on later cuts.

Though I was watching receivers for the most part, I thought that UCF quarterback Blake Bortles did a good job of showing that he can make just about every throw — he was the most consistent of the quarterbacks in that regard. There’s a slight issue with how he opens his body to throw that reminds me of Josh Freeman, and that will have to be sorted out sooner than later.

Despite his protestations to the contrary, Alabama’s A.J. McCarron is pretty much what people think he is — he’s got what I would call a “box of excellence” that goes out to the numbers on both sides (but absolutely no further) and about 30 yards upfield. McCarron has said that he can throw the ball 65 yards, but I still haven’t seen him to it consistently, accurately and well — either on tape, or in these drills.

 

[Black]

My top 7 WR's after the combine.

1. Evans- He has super soft hands and at basically 6'5 230+ 4.5 speed he has a great chance of being special. These size/speed combo's just don't come around that much. His drive has been talked about to. In a good way. I hear he is extremely competitive. I could see him dominating the NFL for a long time once he tightens up his routes. This is the type of WR that has multiply double digit TD's seasons.

2. Jordan Matthews- Not many people have him on their radar but I did a little digging after he ran a 4.46 40. I don't understand why he is not getting more attention. He has arguably the best hands in this WR class. He's a great route runner. He answered his critics who said he was slow and weak with his 40 times and his bench. He's 6'3 212 pounds and he can bench 225 21 times and people think he won't be able to get off jams in the NFL? Are you guys reading this? Anyway he made the biggest jump for me. He was in my top ten before but now I think he should go in the first round.

3. Sammy Watkins- Nothing Sammy Watkins did this weekend hurt his stock. He didn't beat expectations either though. There are a lot of 6'0 WR that run 4.4's and have solid hands. Still Sammy's floor is pretty high but it's his ceiling I have concerns with. Barring injury he's a top 20ish WR for years to come. meh Not #1 overall Rookie pick material to me.

4. Marqise Lee- Super fluid athlete. He's going to be a great pro but where he lands will determine a lot. Still the big question for him will be his hands. I don't care how open you are it's "No Bueno" if you can't catch the ball. It's sick that this kind of WR is the 4th best WR in this class. He had a slightly disappointing combine but being a fluid athlete is pretty underrated.

5. Beckham- at 5'11 198 he's not really small. He's average size but man is he explosive. Great hands. Still not big enough to be a red zone weapon so his ceiling is limited. Really blew the combine up this week. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets drafted before Lee now.

6. Allen Robinson- Yes his 40 was slow but his 10 yard split, shuttle, and cone were all fast. Really fast for a Big WR. He plays fast enough inside of 15 yards. He's nearly 6'3 and 220 pounds. His open field vision is elite, he's big enough to be an above average red zone target, his footwork is good. He has that same knack for getting open that Keenan Allen has. You have to trust what you're seeing on tape. I do. He's wide open a lot.

7. Cooks- Size is going to limited him a little but he is special at so many things and it's hard to ignore. I've seen him get pushed around a little on tape so whoever drafts him needs to get him in space.

Really great post. Really like your comments and your sticking your neck out for players based on your views.

My thoughts are not just based on the Combine numbers. I use the weekend to listen to the commentary, watch some of the skills drills and scan individual game highlights to see if I can 'see' anything.

Watkins/Lee ...still my #1/2, but don't think I will sniff Watkins since I don't pick early enough.

Previously, I was convinced Evans was not going to be able to create separation or had great hands. He always seemed to be running a deep sideline route that Johnny dropped right in his bucket. After watching the catching drills and reading about him training with James Lofton (and VJax?), I am intrigued by his hands and work ethic. I think he might end up going top 15 in the NFL draft. That commitment alone from a team means he's going to get the ball alot. Stock up for me, but not sure how much higher.

Kelvin Benjamin was not mentioned in your list, but I actually agree on that. I watched a few games with FState and just didn't see him as a really reliable every down WR. He can go deep, he can be a RZ target...but I just wasn't feeling him as an all around receiver. I think he could be a top 20 pick based on upside, but not someone I'd want to target. FYI, I totally missed on Alshon Jeffrey last year, so feel free to take that advice with a grain of salt.

Beckham got my attention at the combine. His hands look good and natural. He seemed to be a favorite of Mike Mayock. I thought of him before as a kick returner or gadget player since he is sick in the open field. I had previously preferred Jarvis Landry of the LSU WRs, thinking he was more complete as a WR. After going back and watching some game highlights, Beckham seems to have more electricity now and more upside.

Allen Robinson and Jordan Matthews...both feel like these big reliable WR who probably have enough speed. Mathews had such great feedback from the Senior Bowl from writers/scouts I trust. Robinson has a good body of work. I think they both deserve to be in the top 10 Fantasy WRs, but I want to watch a bit more of Mathews before I bump him up as high as you did. If either of those guys lands in a good spot, they'll have my attention.

Cooks' speed confirmed that he could be a good find for a team and maybe in the late 1st round. His college production is hard to argue. I like him, but not sure where to slot him but to say somewhere top 5-10 WR.

I sometimes wonder if the WR makes the QB, or vice versa. Davante Adams is one of those this year.

Any thoughts on Kelvin Benjamin, Davante Adams (Fresno), Jarvis Landry, or Paul Richardson (CO)?

Also, how do you mix in the RBs? I am not 'feeling' any of the RBs this year and think their Fantasy value will be very dependent on landing spot.

 

[EBF]

I think after the dust has settled it looks like a deep group lacking obvious impact stars. Things might change after the NFL draft, but I've got the 1.03 pick in a few leagues and there's nobody that I'll be totally geeked to get there. I'd almost rather have two late 1sts than one early 1st this year. I don't think I would've said that in the Richardson/Blackmon/Luck year when there were legitimate standout talents at all three of the major skill positions.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You're seriously comparing Pennington to Bridgewater? Homey, all due respect. I hate you now. lol... In all seriousness, why would you think that? Kid could do ANYTHING he wanted on the field. He chose to sit in the pocket and throw. When he ran, he did it with ease, but when you're as accurate as he is, with the receivers that he has, he would typically always have faith in the downfield or checkdown throw to move the chains. I am shocked that you don't see him as a special athlete.

Chad Pennington never missed the playoffs during a season where he remained healthy. It's not a huge insult.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

All-time WR yard leaders

3-Isaac Bruce 6'0

5-Tim Brown 6'0

6-Marvin Harrison 6'0

9-Henry Ellard 5'11

10-Reggie Wayne 6'0

11-Torry Holt 6'0

There are tons of guys who have been very successful. It's actually a bit of an anomaly to have so many guys like Calvin, AJ Green, Julio and DT at the same time. Roddy White is misleading. He is often cited as a player who isn't a great athlete yet has been very successful. People brought up him a lot with Hopkins last year. I don't think many people question if Watkins is a great athlete.

Seems to me like Watkins is ahead by a decent margin but if you don't like him trade down from 1.01.

My problem with this draft is the top 5 is pretty week. Nobody has really seperated from the pack and there's not a huge difference from 1.02 to 1.12. It seems like a very deep draft (at least until a few players slip in the NFL draft) but there just isn't a lot of top-end talent to me. That's the reason I don't see anyone challenging Watkins, even if he goes to a bad spot.

Check out the QB's some of those guys played with.

Chicken/Egg and also irrlevant to refuting your point that "Roddy White is the exception not the rule."

Kurt Warner was bagging groceries and backing up Trent Green before he teamed up with Holt and Bruce (and Faulk). When he went to Arizona he had Fitz and Boldin. I'm not saying Warner had no talent, but a legit case can be made that he had some serious luck on his side as well. This doesn't even account for the fact that Bruce and Holt both put up big numbers with Marc Bulger at QB (are we checking out him also?).

Harrison and Wayne were both first round picks - while they didn't make Manning, they surely weren't table scraps.

Tim Brown, Henry Ellard??? Which QB made them?

 

[matttyl]

Ok, so he's between 6' and 6'1"....

What can we expect from him at the next level? Can his career be that of Roddy White (85-105/1,200-1,400/8-10 type seasons for half a decade during his prime)? More? Less?

A solid unspectacular career. Roddy White is the exception not the rule when it comes to average size WR's. He's unlikely to be an above average red zone target. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it usually doesn't. The level of QB play Watkins is paired with will be a big factor in that regard. Watkins did come in a little heavier then expected which was nice to see. He wasn't as fast and he didn't jump as high as people thought he would though. He is explosive off the line. He's a good/great prospect.

I'm assuming he's the #1 rookie in drafts this fall, but would he be #1 in other recent rookie drafts? Would he have gone #1 last year? I'm assuming he wouldn't have gone #1 the year before with Trent/Martin....or the year before.

 

[ffgiant]

It seems the trend is favoring tall and big WRs

 

[Milkman]

My top 7 WR's after the combine.

1. Evans- He has super soft hands and at basically 6'5 230+ 4.5 speed he has a great chance of being special. These size/speed combo's just don't come around that much. His drive has been talked about to. In a good way. I hear he is extremely competitive. I could see him dominating the NFL for a long time once he tightens up his routes. This is the type of WR that has multiply double digit TD's seasons.

2. Jordan Matthews- Not many people have him on their radar but I did a little digging after he ran a 4.46 40. I don't understand why he is not getting more attention. He has arguably the best hands in this WR class. He's a great route runner. He answered his critics who said he was slow and weak with his 40 times and his bench. He's 6'3 212 pounds and he can bench 225 21 times and people think he won't be able to get off jams in the NFL? Are you guys reading this? Anyway he made the biggest jump for me. He was in my top ten before but now I think he should go in the first round.

3. Sammy Watkins- Nothing Sammy Watkins did this weekend hurt his stock. He didn't beat expectations either though. There are a lot of 6'0 WR that run 4.4's and have solid hands. Still Sammy's floor is pretty high but it's his ceiling I have concerns with. Barring injury he's a top 20ish WR for years to come. meh Not #1 overall Rookie pick material to me.

4. Marqise Lee- Super fluid athlete. He's going to be a great pro but where he lands will determine a lot. Still the big question for him will be his hands. I don't care how open you are it's "No Bueno" if you can't catch the ball. It's sick that this kind of WR is the 4th best WR in this class. He had a slightly disappointing combine but being a fluid athlete is pretty underrated.

5. Beckham- at 5'11 198 he's not really small. He's average size but man is he explosive. Great hands. Still not big enough to be a red zone weapon so his ceiling is limited. Really blew the combine up this week. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets drafted before Lee now.

6. Allen Robinson- Yes his 40 was slow but his 10 yard split, shuttle, and cone were all fast. Really fast for a Big WR. He plays fast enough inside of 15 yards. He's nearly 6'3 and 220 pounds. His open field vision is elite, he's big enough to be an above average red zone target, his footwork is good. He has that same knack for getting open that Keenan Allen has. You have to trust what you're seeing on tape. I do. He's wide open a lot.

7. Cooks- Size is going to limited him a little but he is special at so many things and it's hard to ignore. I've seen him get pushed around a little on tape so whoever drafts him needs to get him in space.

Really great post. Really like your comments and your sticking your neck out for players based on your views.

My thoughts are not just based on the Combine numbers. I use the weekend to listen to the commentary, watch some of the skills drills and scan individual game highlights to see if I can 'see' anything.

Watkins/Lee ...still my #1/2, but don't think I will sniff Watkins since I don't pick early enough.

Previously, I was convinced Evans was not going to be able to create separation or had great hands. He always seemed to be running a deep sideline route that Johnny dropped right in his bucket. After watching the catching drills and reading about him training with James Lofton (and VJax?), I am intrigued by his hands and work ethic. I think he might end up going top 15 in the NFL draft. That commitment alone from a team means he's going to get the ball alot. Stock up for me, but not sure how much higher.

Kelvin Benjamin was not mentioned in your list, but I actually agree on that. I watched a few games with FState and just didn't see him as a really reliable every down WR. He can go deep, he can be a RZ target...but I just wasn't feeling him as an all around receiver. I think he could be a top 20 pick based on upside, but not someone I'd want to target. FYI, I totally missed on Alshon Jeffrey last year, so feel free to take that advice with a grain of salt.

Beckham got my attention at the combine. His hands look good and natural. He seemed to be a favorite of Mike Mayock. I thought of him before as a kick returner or gadget player since he is sick in the open field. I had previously preferred Jarvis Landry of the LSU WRs, thinking he was more complete as a WR. After going back and watching some game highlights, Beckham seems to have more electricity now and more upside.

Allen Robinson and Jordan Matthews...both feel like these big reliable WR who probably have enough speed. Mathews had such great feedback from the Senior Bowl from writers/scouts I trust. Robinson has a good body of work. I think they both deserve to be in the top 10 Fantasy WRs, but I want to watch a bit more of Mathews before I bump him up as high as you did. If either of those guys lands in a good spot, they'll have my attention.

Cooks' speed confirmed that he could be a good find for a team and maybe in the late 1st round. His college production is hard to argue. I like him, but not sure where to slot him but to say somewhere top 5-10 WR.

I sometimes wonder if the WR makes the QB, or vice versa. Davante Adams is one of those this year.

Any thoughts on Kelvin Benjamin, Davante Adams (Fresno), Jarvis Landry, or Paul Richardson (CO)?

Also, how do you mix in the RBs? I am not 'feeling' any of the RBs this year and think their Fantasy value will be very dependent on landing spot.

Benjamin- Is a project and I think he is already 24 years old. I don't like that combination.

Davante Adams - I was pretty high on him until the USC game and also I remember reading a post about Amaro that EBF had made. EBF was explaining why his stats were so inflated and I took that approach when rating Adams. His hands are smallish. He has a great vert and slightly above average height/weight combo. It would be mildly shocking if he was the best WR in this class but it could happen if he was paired with an elite QB I guess.

Jarvis Landry- Big elite hands. Looks like he's slow. Meh. He will be playing football for a long time but I'm not sure there is anything special about him.

Paul Richardson- I wouldn't draft him on my fantasy team. Way to light in the shorts. Small hands. Do not want.

This WR class is pretty sick.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ive got 1.4 & 1.6 in one league

and 1.7, 1.10, 1.11, 1.13 in another

an im totally loving the depth of those later picks man

 

[Faust]

Big Board: Blazing Gilbert, Cooks earn speedy notice in Indy


by Rob Rang | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst

Feb. 26, 2014 4:37 PM ET

The annual NFL combine in Indianapolis is equal parts job fair and made-for-television track meet.

Elite athletes including South Carolina pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney, Oklahoma State cornerback Justin Gilbert and Oregon State wide receiver Brandin Cooks deserve the attention gained from burning up the 40-yard dash inside Lucas Oil Stadium. But the biggest gains -- and losses -- in terms of draft position stem from impressions made during interviews and extensive medical testing.

To earn a first-round grade, prospects need to possess a combination of elite athleticism on the field while showing poise and professionalism off it.

My Big Board is not a mock draft, and does not factor in team needs. It is simply a ranking of the best draft-eligible prospects in the country.

* Denotes underclassmen

1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (6-5, 266, 4.53)*: There is no question Clowney failed to live up to expectations in 2013 from a statistical standpoint but as he demonstrated in Indianapolis, the South Carolina star possesses a once-in-a-generation combination of size and explosiveness. Whether at defensive end or outside linebacker in a 3-4 alignment, he'll make an immediate impact in the NFL, precisely why he has been my top-rated prospect since last spring.

2. OT Greg Robinson, Auburn (6-5, 332, 4.92)*: Physical and tenacious, Robinson is a grizzly bear in the running game, mauling opponents with an exciting blend of size, strength and athleticism. Auburn's reliance on the running game, however, provided Robinson few opportunities in pass protection. With some polish, he could prove an Orlando Pace-like presence in the NFL.

3. OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6-5, 308, 5.07): The son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, Jake proves the cliche true -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He played well at left tackle last season after starring at right tackle for three years and like his father, projects well to any position along the offensive line. While perhaps not an elite athlete, Matthews is a terrific football player, demonstrating impressive technique, strength and consistency.

4. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 211, 4.43)*: Watkins lacks the elite size that helped A.J. Green, Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson earn top six selections since 2007, but he does possess virtually everything else -- including instant acceleration, impressive body control and the natural hands to pluck the ball outside of his frame. Watkins could go as high as No. 2 to the St. Louis Rams.

5. OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo (6-3, 251, 4.65): With an FBS-record 16 career forced fumbles and record-tying 75 career tackles for loss, Mack's statistics jump off the page. Against the most gifted opponents he faced last year (Ohio State, Baylor, Connecticut), it was his game that jumped off the screen. His size, instincts and agility as an edge rusher make him equally intriguing to teams operating out of a 4-3 or 3-4 alignment. That versatility could land him a spot in the top six. Some, in fact, view him as a dark horse candidate for the Texans at No. 1 overall.

6. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-2, 214, 4.67)*: In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production was due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy in the critical short to intermediate levels. His success (71 percent completion rate with 31 touchdowns against just four interceptions) came out of a pro-style offense that required him to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and complete NFL throws. His slight frame is a legitimate concern and he's not an elite deep ball passer, but he has shown great toughness over his career. Bridgewater did not throw at the combine, electing to wait until his pro day March 17.

7. OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA (6-5, 255, 4.66): Barr's emergence as one of the nation's elite NFL prospects after languishing as a running back early in his career has been well documented. Barr exploded in 2012 in his first season on the defensive side of the ball and backed it up with another spectacular campaign in 2013, including 65 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, 10 sacks and five forced fumbles, earning him the Lott IMPACT Trophy. His burst and bend around the corner make him an immediate threat as 3-4 rush linebacker or potential conversion to defensive end in the 4-3. He does not yet possess ideal strength, however, as his 15 repetitions of 225 pounds at the combine indicates.

8. QB Blake Bortles, Central Florida* (6-5, 232, 4.93): A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness, athleticism and arm talent, Bortles looks the part of an NFL star quarterback. He also played well against top talent (including South Carolina, Penn State and Baylor) and impressed me with his willingness to compete at the combine. He was good -- not great -- during his workout in Indianapolis, remaining a bit methodical in his set-up and delivery of the ball and a bit inconsistent with his accuracy. His upside will earn him the top ranking at quarterback for some, but it is not accurate to characterize him as a "can't miss" prospect.

9. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State (5-11, 199, 4.52): Quick feet, loose hips and a fluid turning motion make Dennard a classic cover corner capable of shutting down half the field. Dennard allowed only three completions in 31 passes of 15-plus yards targeted against him last season, and was recognized with the Thorpe Award as the nation's elite defensive back. A solid workout in Indianapolis eased concerns about his straight-line speed.

10. DE Kony Ealy, Missouri (6-4, 273, 4.92)*: While teammate Michael Sam garnered more hype, scouts are increasingly intrigued by Ealy due to his impressive combination of size and athleticism. A highly versatile defender with experience inside and out for the Tigers, Ealy projects nicely to both the 4-3 and 3-4 alignments and the first-team All-SEC pick is just scratching the surface of his potential.

11. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State (6-0, 202, 4.37): With the NFL increasingly favoring offenses, the value of playmakers on either side of the ball has never been higher. Gilbert led the Big 12 with seven interceptions in 2013 and returned six kickoffs for touchdowns over his career. There are other defensive backs in this class who offer a more well-rounded game, but in terms of size, agility and speed, no cornerback offers a more intriguing skill-set than the Cowboys star.

12. OLB C.J. Mosley, Alabama (6-2, 234, 4.65): While a bit undersized, Mosley might be the best pound-for-pound player in the country. Athletic and instinctive, he is a true three-down linebacker capable of making plays against the run and pass. Mosley lacks the bulk scouts want in a pass rusher but his awareness in coverage is special. While the tape is phenomenal, Mosley has undergone multiple surgeries (knee, shoulder) over his career and could be the latest Alabama player to receive medical red flags from some evaluators.

13. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (6-0, 207, 4.68)*: Manziel's vision, elusiveness and accuracy while on the move make him a magician in the improvisational game. Red flags were raised with mediocre performances against LSU and Missouri to end the regular season, however, as each team was able to contain his backyard-style of play by penning him in the pocket. Unable to create throwing lanes with his legs, Manziel struggled, raising concerns about his anticipation and accuracy in a muddied pocket. Manziel could have alleviated some of their concerns by throwing well at the combine, but skipped the passing drills to focus on his March 27 pro day. However, I was impressed with his composure at the podium in Indianapolis.

14. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M (6-5, 231, 4.53)*: In dominating SEC competition the past two seasons, Evans has earned comparisons to Tampa Bay Bucs star Vincent Jackson, exhibiting a shocking combination of size, strength and deceptive speed. He is a nightmare to defend in jump-ball situations, a trait teams are finding increasingly valuable with the size of cornerbacks growing throughout the NFL. An impressive workout at the combine confirmed his unique athleticism has Evans' stock climbing.

15. OL Zack Martin, Notre Dame (6-4, 308, 5.22): The vast majority of Martin's school record 52 career starts came at left tackle but his square frame and 32 1/4-inch arms will earn him a projection inside to guard for many. Regardless of where he lines up, Martin plays with the controlled aggression I love along the offensive line, latching on and controlling opponents with excellent strength. Martin was the best player on the field at the Senior Bowl.

16. OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State (6-1, 237, 4.58)*: Shazier may lack elite size, but his instincts, speed and bone-jarring hits make him a fearful defender that offenses must account for on every snap. Statistics don't always tell the story, but they do with Shazier, whose 143 tackles, including an eye-popping 22.5 tackles for loss, not only led the Big Ten last season, they combine to rank among the best seasons from any Buckeye defender over the past quarter century.

17. DT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State (6-2, 299, 5.06)*: Jernigan played a critical role in the Seminoles' run to the BCS title, showing a unique burst to penetrate gaps as well as the leverage and strength to hold up against the run. He possesses a powerful frame that makes him well-suited to handling interior duties in the 4-3 or 3-4 alignment and possesses exciting upside.

18. DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh (6-1, 285, 4.68): Given the way he dominated competition in the ACC and at the Senior Bowl and combine, no player has enjoyed a steadier rise up draft boards this year than Donald. His size likely limits him to a three-technique role in the 4-3 alignment but given the NFL's increasing reliance on the pass, he is entering the league at the perfect time to star in just this capacity.

19. WR Marqise Lee, Southern Cal (6-0, 192, 4.52)*: A nagging left knee injury hampered Lee for much of the 2013 season, robbing the 2012 Biletnikoff Award winner of his trademark elusiveness and acceleration. Finally healthy in the Las Vegas Bowl against Fresno State, Lee showed off his playmaking ability, hauling in seven passes for 118 yards and two scores. Lee didn't look as dynamic during the combine, however, raising even more concern about his long-term durability.

20. OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6-7, 309, 4.87): The perception among many in the media is that Lewan's stock has fluctuated over the past two seasons, but among scouts he remains one of the more polished linemen in the draft. There is some debate as to whether he possesses the balance to remain at left tackle against NFL speed rushers as he's faster than he is fluid in his kick-slide, but his length, power and nastiness make him an easy projection to the NFL.

21. FS Calvin Pryor, Louisville (5-11, 207, 4.58)*: Pryor was overshadowed a bit by Bridgewater while with the Cardinals, but his stock will climb once scouts turn their attention to the instinctive and hard-hitting defender. He measured in smaller (listed at 6-2, 208 by the Cardinals' official website) and slower than scouts would have liked at the combine but certainly plays big and fast.

22. DT Louis Nix, Notre Dame (6-2, 331, 5.42)*: To earn this high of a pick in the draft Nix will have to prove his health after knee surgery cut short his 2013 season. Nix prepared for the combine at EXOS (formerly Athletes' Performance Institute) in Phoenix and his conditioning and confirmed recovery could make him one of the combine's "big" winners. When healthy, he has proven to be the best run-plugger of this class, controlling the middle with his girth, power and surprising athleticism.

23. TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina (6-4, 250, 4.60)*: Ebron possesses a jaw-dropping combination of size and athleticism that has earned comparisons to 49ers star Vernon Davis. Like Davis, however, Ebron struggles with consistency, relying too much on his athleticism rather than dedicating himself to learning the finer techniques of the position.

24. FS Hasean Clinton-Dix, Alabama* (6-1, 208, 4.58)*: While Pryor ranks as my top all-around player at the position, Clinton-Dix possesses the fluidity, instincts and ball-skills (seven interceptions in 19 career starts) to earn the title of the draft's best coverage safety. Clinton-Dix flashes rather than dominates, however, and it is worth noting how few of Alabama's highly-regarded defensive backs have lived up to their draft status since leaving Nick Saban's tutelage.

25. DL Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-5, 304, 4.92)*: Tuitt began his junior campaign out of shape (after missing spring due to hernia surgery) and struggled with consistency all season. He also was unable to work out at the combine after being diagnosed with a Jones fracture in his foot. He is highly athletic and possesses the frame to star as either a 4-3 defensive tackle or 3-4 defensive end, however, earning comparisons to Richard Seymour from some scouts.

26. DE/OLB Dee Ford, Auburn (6-2, 252, 4.67): Ford dominated the Senior Bowl with his burst off the edge and surprising power. He has also shown intriguing agility when asked to drop into coverage, making him a candidate for virtually every team in the NFL. Medical red flags were raised at the combine due to an old back injury, which puts his stock in flux.

27. CB Jason Verrett, TCU (5-09, 189, 4.38): Verrett lacks the size so en vogue in today's NFL, but agility and ball-skills never go out of style for cornerbacks. While light, Verrett is scrappy and tenacious, making him an ideal nickel corner with the tackling ability to threaten on an occasional blitz. He wowed at the combine with his speed but also raised concerns, announcing that he will undergo surgery after his pro day to repair a torn labrum.

28. OG Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA (6-4, 307, 5.04)*: Despite playing out of position at left tackle due to injuries to teammates, Su'a-Filo was voted the top offensive lineman in the Pac-12 by those who'd know -- the conference's defensive linemen. Quick, powerful and balanced, he's equally effective driving defenders off the ball in the running game or settling in pass protection.

29. OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU (6-3, 243, 4.71): Van Noy may not be the most physical linebacker in the draft, but he might just be the most efficient. As he demonstrated throughout a spectacular career in Provo and again at the Senior Bowl, he's just as slippery and savvy in attacking the line of scrimmage as he is in dropping back into coverage.

30. DT Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 310, 5.02): Just as he did at times during his career with the Golden Gophers and at the Senior Bowl, Hageman flashed a dominating combination of size, strength and athleticism at the combine. Scouts wish he was more consistent but given his position and scheme versatility, Hageman is a first-round gamble worth taking.

31. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State (5-10, 189, 4.33): Cooks has enjoyed quite the past six months, first winning the Biletnikoff as the nation's top receiver and then $100K at the combine from adidas for running the fastest 40-yard dash time for anyone wearing a pair of the company's cleats. The real winner, however, could be the NFL team that takes the dynamic athlete in the first round.

32. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-2, 214, 4.69): Carr's staggering production (68.2 completion percentage, 50 TDs, 8 INTs) was certainly inflated by head coach Tim DeRuyter's QB-friendly spread attack and legitimately talented receiving corps, but any questions about his talent were put to rest with a stellar Senior Bowl week. While no one questions Carr's arm, some wonder if he has the grit to hold up as the leader of an NFL huddle.

Just missed the cut:

OT Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama*
OC Marcus Martin, Southern California*
CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State*
TE Troy Niklas, Notre Dame*
DE/OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford
DT DaQuan Jones, Penn State
WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU*
FS Jimmie Ward, Northern Illinois
QB Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
DE Scott Crichton, Oregon State*
TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington*
CB Marcus Roberson, Florida*
DT William Sutton, Arizona State
OT Morgan Moses, Virginia
WR Donte Moncrief, Mississippi*
CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
WR Davante Adams, Fresno State*
WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State*

Rob Rang (@RobRang) is a senior analyst for NFLDraftScout.com

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Gil Brandt believes that SMU senior QB Garrett Gilbert is the best quarterback that didn't attend the Combine.
"Best QB NOT at combine: SMU's Garrett Gilbert. Pro day is 3/28," Brandt tweeted. Before getting hurt late in the season he put up some numbers(3,528 yard passing,21 TDs, 267 yards rushing and 6 rushing TDs). Gilbert has the ideal size to play at the next level(6-feet-4, 223 pounds), and flashes athletic ability and arm strength. He'll have an opportunity to impress the scouts at his pro-day on March 28th.

Source: Gil Brandt on Twitter

 

[EBF]

4. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 211, 4.43)*: Watkins lacks the elite size that helped A.J. Green, Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson earn top six selections since 2007, but he does possess virtually everything else -- including instant acceleration, impressive body control and the natural hands to pluck the ball outside of his frame. Watkins could go as high as No. 2 to the St. Louis Rams.

He isn't that tall, but he looked bigger than I expected. 211 is a solid weight for a 6'1" WR.

I thought he was moderately disappointing in the testing and the positional drills. I'd still take him as the #1 WR in this draft though.

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

Do you think the talent is deep enough to see in the early 2nd round. In a twelve team dynasty. I have the 1.07 2.3,2.5, and 2.7. How excited should I be?

 

[EBF]

Do you think the talent is deep enough to see in the early 2nd round. In a twelve team dynasty. I have the 1.07 2.3,2.5, and 2.7. How excited should I be?

I think you should have some decent options to choose from up until about the middle of the 2nd round in a 12 team league.

 

[Mingooch]

I think you will see some nice guys in that early 2nd rd this year.

 

[Andrew74]

I have the 2.03 and 2.06 in a 12 team and think I can snag some good options this year.

 

[Faust]

Bucky's Big Board 2.0: Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack rise up

 

[Whitney26]

Here's another cutup of Jerick McKinnon against UCA in 2012. He rushed for 300+ this game and showed some of everything as a runner....patience, explosion, agility, power, speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr1RZDLDBzg&list=UU_daA5gM0OTdji4JOy3w60A&feature=share

FWIW, if his combine numbers hold, his overall athletic metric (my data) will place him in the top 5 dating back to 1999....the others:

1 - Willis McGahee 11.32

2 - Christine Michael 10.25

3 - Jonathan Stewart 10.03

4 - Jerick McKinnon 9.95

5 - Ben Tate 9.78

 

[Faust]

2014 NFL Draft: Pro day schedule

 

[werdnoynek]

2014 NFL Draft: Pro day schedule

 

[IHEARTFF]

Here's another cutup of Jerick McKinnon against UCA in 2012. He rushed for 300+ this game and showed some of everything as a runner....patience, explosion, agility, power, speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr1RZDLDBzg&list=UU_daA5gM0OTdji4JOy3w60A&feature=share

FWIW, if his combine numbers hold, his overall athletic metric (my data) will place him in the top 5 dating back to 1999....the others:

1 - Willis McGahee 11.32

2 - Christine Michael 10.25

3 - Jonathan Stewart 10.03

4 - Jerick McKinnon 9.95

5 - Ben Tate 9.78

So you're saying he's likely to become the biggest tease of the 2010s. j/k, thx for the data.

 

[Faust]

Simms: Geno Smith better than any QB in the 2014 draft class

By Mike Huguenin

College Football 24/7 writer

Phil Simms never is shy about offering an opinion, and the CBS NFL analyst expressed a few Wednesday on this year's class of quarterback prospects to NFL.com columnist Adam Schein on SirusXM's Mad Dog Sports Radio.

The most interesting opinion: "I think if Geno Smith was in this draft class he would be the number one guy, without question."

Yes, Simms is saying that he thinks a quarterback who went in the second round in the 2013 draft is better than any quarterback in this draft. And remember that three quarterbacks -- Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, UCF's Blake Bortles and Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel -- potentially could go in the top four in the '14 draft.

Not surprisingly, Simms -- who spent 14 seasons as the New York Giants' quarterback -- had thoughts on each of the top three. Here are some of those thoughts.

(Keep in mind that Simms admitted that "I haven't watched them on coaches' film." He also opined in October that "this 'unbelievable' quarterback class that is coming out -- it is not going to be unbelievable.")

On Manziel » "It would concern me, and a lot, that he ran a 4.68 at the combine. ... The 30-inch vertical jump? I know it's a vertical jump but, I hate to say it, it bothered me. I expected more explosion. If you're going to be a scrambling, move-around quarterback, I think that's a pretty important thing -- to be explosive and to do these things."

» "The style of play? Does it worry me? Oh, sure it does. Because nobody can play that free and easy in the NFL."

» "The Russell Wilson comparison. ... Russell Wilson is more explosive. He's naturally bigger and stronger than Johnny Manziel. They're not even close in arm strength."

On Bortles » "He's probably the one I want to watch more than anybody. I saw Blake Bortles play, maybe, I'm going to say five games this year on TV. ... I just didn't think I was looking at potentially a top three or four pick in the draft. I just didn't see that."

» "Yeah, of course, I liked his size [bortles measured 6-foot-5 and 232 pounds at the combine] and all that. ... At least you have that."

» "The arm from Blake Bortles -- I just don't see him as a, so far, maybe I didn't see it, got to couch it because I said some of these things about Andrew Luck, that I didn't see great throws when he was at Stanford. Boy, I see a lot of them now in the NFL, that's for sure. So he could be one of those guys."

On Bridgewater » "I have question marks about him, too. The arm. What is Teddy Bridgewater going to be? You tell me. What does he do that's going to drive him over the top in the NFL as we think of quarterbacks?"

» (asked to characterize Bridgewater's arm) "I'll characterize it, NFL, middle of the pack. ... Solid arm. When I say middle of it, I'm taking about all the quarterbacks in the NFL. It's just an average power arm or whatever." On the overall quarterback class » "I think this is a tough class to judge to say there is a true, without question, franchise quarterback ready to be drafted."Mike Huguenin can be reached at mike.huguenin@nfl.com. You also can follow him on Twitter @MikeHuguenin.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline reports that seventeen QB coaches polled at the combine ranked Fresno State's Derek Carr over Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel.
"At last count at least 17 quarterback coaches polled at the combine rank Derek Carr over Johnny Manziel," Pauline wrote on Thursday. Our own Josh Norris has Johnny Manziel at No.27 and Derek Carr at No. 29, in his current rankings. Norris believes Manziel will be a top 10 pick, while Carr will most likely be the fourth QB off the board perhaps later in the first-round.

Source: TFY Draft Insider

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Gil Brandt considers Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews to be one of the hardest working prospects out there.
"Everyone was worried about his speed, and some wonder whether he's going to be just a possession receiver," Brandt writes. "What I know about Matthews is that he's one of the hardest-working prospects out there. He's the guy who, whenever he stops playing football, will be a hugely successful person, whether it's as a politician or a banker or an entrepreneur. He's a really special guy." Matthews has the ideal size (6-foot-3, 209 pounds)and speed (4.46 at Combine) that coaches are looking for at the next level, but his mental make-up is something that will only help his stock moving forward. Matthews is projected to go in the second-round of the draft.

Source: NFL.com

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Johnny Manziel - QB - Aggies
Nine prospects will appear on this season's episodes of Jon Gruden's QB camp.
The season kicks off with Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel on March 27. UCF's Blake Bortles, Clemson's Tajh Boyd, Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, Fresno State's Derek Carr, Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo, NIU's Jordan Lynch, Alabama's AJ McCarron, and Georgia's Aaron Murray will also be featured throughout the season.

Source: ESPN

TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline believes that Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo has solidified himself as a second-round pick.
"Jimmy Garoppolo/QB/Eastern Illinois, who solidified himself as a second rounder last week and already has five pre-draft visits with NFL teams on his schedule, will participate in Northwestern’s pro-day next week," Pauline wrote on Thursday. The small-school prospect has gained some momentum the last couple of months, with a strong outing in the East-West Shrine game and the Senior Bowl. Garoppolo's performance at last weekend's Combine could have some evaluators changing their minds.

Source: TFY Draft Insider

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Here's another cutup of Jerick McKinnon against UCA in 2012. He rushed for 300+ this game and showed some of everything as a runner....patience, explosion, agility, power, speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr1RZDLDBzg&list=UU_daA5gM0OTdji4JOy3w60A&feature=share

FWIW, if his combine numbers hold, his overall athletic metric (my data) will place him in the top 5 dating back to 1999....the others:

1 - Willis McGahee 11.32

2 - Christine Michael 10.25

3 - Jonathan Stewart 10.03

4 - Jerick McKinnon 9.95

5 - Ben Tate 9.78

Thanks for these videos, they're great.

McKinnon looks fast and displays some nice cuts, but watching these clips of him I'm not seeing much of the power you speak of, seems to go down on first contact the large majority of the time. Though he looks pretty small in these 2012 clips, perhaps smaller than he looked at the combine, so maybe he's put on weight since 2012; as the 2012 version of him doesn't look like someone who can carry the load in the NFL to me. And although he looks fast, it doesn't look like he plays to his 40 time to me. During the play starting at 4:28, I'd expect a guy who ran a 4.41 to get past #20 on C. Arkansas there, but #20 stays with him pretty good considering he didn't have that much of an angle.

Given that the guy has basically no traditional RB experience and has little to no receiving experience among the other things listed above, if people are gonna be drafting him in the 2nd round of rookie drafts based primarily on his combine McKinnon is gonna be an avoid for me.

 

[Xue]

I know Bishop Sankey has been mentioned a lot. I just got my hands on his Junior Pro Day numbers. Not saying he will, but he'll be the #1 RB if he can match these numbers next month at the combine. Even if we add a tenth, it's still pretty damn impressive.

Height 5:09.7

Weight 203 lbs

Arms 31 1/8

Hands 9 3/8

40 Time 4.41

10 Yard 1.46

20 Yard 2.48

Short Shuttle 3.90

3-Cone 6.53

Vertical 39 1/2"
Broad Jump 11'
Bench 33 Reps

Actual numbers:

Height 5'9.5"

Weight 209

Arms 31

Hands 10

40 4.49

Shuttle 4.00

3-cone 6.75

Vertical 35.5

Broad Jump 10'6"

Bench 26

Not bad at all.

 

[Brewtown]

I know Bishop Sankey has been mentioned a lot. I just got my hands on his Junior Pro Day numbers. Not saying he will, but he'll be the #1 RB if he can match these numbers next month at the combine. Even if we add a tenth, it's still pretty damn impressive.

Height 5:09.7

Weight 203 lbs

Arms 31 1/8

Hands 9 3/8

40 Time 4.41

10 Yard 1.46

20 Yard 2.48

Short Shuttle 3.90

3-Cone 6.53

Vertical 39 1/2"

Broad Jump 11'

Bench 33 Reps

Actual numbers:

Height 5'9.5"

Weight 209

Arms 31

Hands 10

40 4.49

Shuttle 4.00

3-cone 6.75

Vertical 35.5

Broad Jump 10'6"

Bench 26

Not bad at all.

Bishop Sankey crushed the combine!

Pretty good results for a guy with average talent - wouldn't you say?

Nothing average about that 3-cone and shuttle time - also those 26 bench reps.

Oh yeah - he also ran in the 4.4s with his short wittow wegs....

Doesn't look like Benjarvis Green-Ellis or Shonne Green to me....

BUT WHAT DO I KNOW - IM JUST A TROLL....