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[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

Gurley and Gordon have been impressive this year and have definitely cemented their status as the top two backs. I think Gordon looks stronger than he did last season and he's shown some decent cutting ability at times too. After those two I'd probably put Ameer at RB3 with Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, TJ Yeldon, Jay Ajayi, and Byron Marshall also looking like possible top 100 draft picks.

As for the other players at the top, I don't really know what to make of Mariota as a draft prospect and I'm surprised the pundit community loves him so much. He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined. He has better tools than any of them, but all the same you worry about whether he's really a great QB on his own merit or just a great athlete in a friendly system. It's hard to say because Oregon's offense creates a lot of space for him to function in, which makes life a lot easier than it will be in the NFL. In the Stanford game last season when he was pressured and hit repeatedly, he looked very rattled and scared. That may or may not be a sign of what you'll see in the NFL. There are some physical and style similarities between him and Kaepernick, but in FF leagues I'm not spending a top 10 rookie pick on a QB unless I think he's a can't-miss monster and I don't know if Mariota qualifies for me yet. I have to add that I spend so much time focusing on the RBs when I watch Oregon games that I don't pay close attention to Mariota. From what I recall, he's not doing a lot of next level stuff though.

 
EBF said:
Gurley and Gordon have been impressive this year and have definitely cemented their status as the top two backs. I think Gordon looks stronger than he did last season and he's shown some decent cutting ability at times too. After those two I'd probably put Ameer at RB3 with Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, TJ Yeldon, Jay Ajayi, and Byron Marshall also looking like possible top 100 draft picks.

As for the other players at the top, I don't really know what to make of Mariota as a draft prospect and I'm surprised the pundit community loves him so much. He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined. He has better tools than any of them, but all the same you worry about whether he's really a great QB on his own merit or just a great athlete in a friendly system. It's hard to say because Oregon's offense creates a lot of space for him to function in, which makes life a lot easier than it will be in the NFL. In the Stanford game last season when he was pressured and hit repeatedly, he looked very rattled and scared. That may or may not be a sign of what you'll see in the NFL. There are some physical and style similarities between him and Kaepernick, but in FF leagues I'm not spending a top 10 rookie pick on a QB unless I think he's a can't-miss monster and I don't know if Mariota qualifies for me yet. I have to add that I spend so much time focusing on the RBs when I watch Oregon games that I don't pay close attention to Mariota. From what I recall, he's not doing a lot of next level stuff though.
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You don't find Ameer "smallish"?

 
EBF said:
Gurley and Gordon have been impressive this year and have definitely cemented their status as the top two backs. I think Gordon looks stronger than he did last season and he's shown some decent cutting ability at times too. After those two I'd probably put Ameer at RB3 with Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, TJ Yeldon, Jay Ajayi, and Byron Marshall also looking like possible top 100 draft picks.

As for the other players at the top, I don't really know what to make of Mariota as a draft prospect and I'm surprised the pundit community loves him so much. He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined. He has better tools than any of them, but all the same you worry about whether he's really a great QB on his own merit or just a great athlete in a friendly system. It's hard to say because Oregon's offense creates a lot of space for him to function in, which makes life a lot easier than it will be in the NFL. In the Stanford game last season when he was pressured and hit repeatedly, he looked very rattled and scared. That may or may not be a sign of what you'll see in the NFL. There are some physical and style similarities between him and Kaepernick, but in FF leagues I'm not spending a top 10 rookie pick on a QB unless I think he's a can't-miss monster and I don't know if Mariota qualifies for me yet. I have to add that I spend so much time focusing on the RBs when I watch Oregon games that I don't pay close attention to Mariota. From what I recall, he's not doing a lot of next level stuff though.
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I'm glad to hear someone else say it. Don't get me wrong, I think Mariota will be okay in the NFL, but not transcendent by any means, and probably bounce around after a miserable early career showing.

 
jurb26 said:
Zyphros said:
georg013 said:
My top 3:

Gurley

Gordon

Cooper
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Change Cooper with Mariota for me
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For me, Mariota has no business in the top 3 right now. Not even in my top 5 and probably not the top QB either. Winston, despite his dumb off field antics, is the best QB prospect.
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I put a lot more stock in work ethic and character when it comes to top picks, and Mariota has that in spades. He has the tools, which nobody doubts, so the work ethic will prove his success in the future. At least that's my reasoning.

And yes Xue, it is for 2QB (that's all I play for dynasty purposes)

 
georg013 said:
EBF said:
Gurley and Gordon have been impressive this year and have definitely cemented their status as the top two backs. I think Gordon looks stronger than he did last season and he's shown some decent cutting ability at times too. After those two I'd probably put Ameer at RB3 with Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, TJ Yeldon, Jay Ajayi, and Byron Marshall also looking like possible top 100 draft picks.

As for the other players at the top, I don't really know what to make of Mariota as a draft prospect and I'm surprised the pundit community loves him so much. He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined. He has better tools than any of them, but all the same you worry about whether he's really a great QB on his own merit or just a great athlete in a friendly system. It's hard to say because Oregon's offense creates a lot of space for him to function in, which makes life a lot easier than it will be in the NFL. In the Stanford game last season when he was pressured and hit repeatedly, he looked very rattled and scared. That may or may not be a sign of what you'll see in the NFL. There are some physical and style similarities between him and Kaepernick, but in FF leagues I'm not spending a top 10 rookie pick on a QB unless I think he's a can't-miss monster and I don't know if Mariota qualifies for me yet. I have to add that I spend so much time focusing on the RBs when I watch Oregon games that I don't pay close attention to Mariota. From what I recall, he's not doing a lot of next level stuff though.
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You don't find Ameer "smallish"?
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He is deceptively strong and has handled a huge workload at Nebraska with no major injuries.

I don't know if he's going to be a 300 carry player in the NFL. I envision him being used like Gio Bernard/Reggie Bush/Warrick Dunn. If he can run the ball 150-200 times and add another 50-60 catches then he's going to have big value in PPR leagues.

 
EBF said:
Gurley and Gordon have been impressive this year and have definitely cemented their status as the top two backs. I think Gordon looks stronger than he did last season and he's shown some decent cutting ability at times too. After those two I'd probably put Ameer at RB3 with Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, TJ Yeldon, Jay Ajayi, and Byron Marshall also looking like possible top 100 draft picks.

As for the other players at the top, I don't really know what to make of Mariota as a draft prospect and I'm surprised the pundit community loves him so much. He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined. He has better tools than any of them, but all the same you worry about whether he's really a great QB on his own merit or just a great athlete in a friendly system. It's hard to say because Oregon's offense creates a lot of space for him to function in, which makes life a lot easier than it will be in the NFL. In the Stanford game last season when he was pressured and hit repeatedly, he looked very rattled and scared. That may or may not be a sign of what you'll see in the NFL. There are some physical and style similarities between him and Kaepernick, but in FF leagues I'm not spending a top 10 rookie pick on a QB unless I think he's a can't-miss monster and I don't know if Mariota qualifies for me yet. I have to add that I spend so much time focusing on the RBs when I watch Oregon games that I don't pay close attention to Mariota. From what I recall, he's not doing a lot of next level stuff though.
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Oregon QBs have basically all shined the past several years, but at least statistically none of them are really all that close to Marriota in his all around efficiency. CMP%, Yards per attempt, TD/INT ratio, and yards per carry are all significantly better than any other Oregon QB. Plus he's 6'4, 215lbs and probably runs a low 4.5 40 if not a 4.4 with a heck of a strong arm.

Personally my biggest worry for him is the Oregon offense system doesn't really provide him with any experience of reading defenses while dropping back from under center to pass; I don't think past Oregon QBs lack of NFL success means much if anything at all.

 
EBF said:
georg013 said:
EBF said:
Gurley and Gordon have been impressive this year and have definitely cemented their status as the top two backs. I think Gordon looks stronger than he did last season and he's shown some decent cutting ability at times too. After those two I'd probably put Ameer at RB3 with Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, TJ Yeldon, Jay Ajayi, and Byron Marshall also looking like possible top 100 draft picks.

As for the other players at the top, I don't really know what to make of Mariota as a draft prospect and I'm surprised the pundit community loves him so much. He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined. He has better tools than any of them, but all the same you worry about whether he's really a great QB on his own merit or just a great athlete in a friendly system. It's hard to say because Oregon's offense creates a lot of space for him to function in, which makes life a lot easier than it will be in the NFL. In the Stanford game last season when he was pressured and hit repeatedly, he looked very rattled and scared. That may or may not be a sign of what you'll see in the NFL. There are some physical and style similarities between him and Kaepernick, but in FF leagues I'm not spending a top 10 rookie pick on a QB unless I think he's a can't-miss monster and I don't know if Mariota qualifies for me yet. I have to add that I spend so much time focusing on the RBs when I watch Oregon games that I don't pay close attention to Mariota. From what I recall, he's not doing a lot of next level stuff though.
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You don't find Ameer "smallish"?
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He is deceptively strong and has handled a huge workload at Nebraska with no major injuries.

I don't know if he's going to be a 300 carry player in the NFL. I envision him being used like Gio Bernard/Reggie Bush/Warrick Dunn. If he can run the ball 150-200 times and add another 50-60 catches then he's going to have big value in PPR leagues.
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It's a goal of mine to make a video of all of Ameer's carries this year. I'm lucky enough to have access to a private torrent tracker that has HD rips of nearly all NFL/CFB games, so I've got the source video, I just need to find the time. Hopefully that can help people evaluate Ameer as an NFL back.

 
EBF said:
He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined.
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Worth pointing out that the Philadelphia NFL Eagles are running and having great success with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see more of it at an NFL level.

 
Concept Coop said:
EBF said:
He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined.
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Worth pointing out that the Philadelphia NFL Eagles are running and having great success with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see more of it at an NFL level.
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Not really. The offense in Philly has been adapted a ton from what Oregon runs. Some similarities but it's not really the same IMO. I think that's one of the things that impresses me most about Kelly.
 
jurb26 said:
Concept Coop said:
EBF said:
He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined.
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Worth pointing out that the Philadelphia NFL Eagles are running and having great success with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see more of it at an NFL level.
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Not really. The offense in Philly has been adapted a ton from what Oregon runs. Some similarities but it's not really the same IMO. I think that's one of the things that impresses me most about Kelly.
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The overall scheme is all about creating space and getting receivers open, which both versions do well. Foles has been inaccurate and have missed not seeing open guys. Mariota has talent, but there are some uncertainty as to how he'll translate. Make note that he has a bunch of 4* and 5* guys he's throwing to.

 
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Concept Coop said:
EBF said:
He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined.
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Worth pointing out that the Philadelphia NFL Eagles are running and having great success with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see more of it at an NFL level.
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Not really. The offense in Philly has been adapted a ton from what Oregon runs. Some similarities but it's not really the same IMO. I think that's one of the things that impresses me most about Kelly.
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The overall scheme is all about creating space and getting receivers open, which both versions do well. Foles has been inaccurate and have missed not seeing open guys. Mariota has talent, but there are some uncertainty as to how he'll translate. Make note that he has a bunch of 4* and 5* guys he's throwing to.
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The scheme doesn't operate the same for one fundamental difference from the NCAA to the NFl. The hashes. That and Oregon is able to out speed nearly every team they play at the college level and utilize the wide side of the field as a major advantage. They can't in the NFL. The system is thus altered, a ton.
 
jurb26 said:
Concept Coop said:
EBF said:
He benefits from the same gimmicky Oregon offense in which guys like Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas also shined.
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Worth pointing out that the Philadelphia NFL Eagles are running and having great success with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see more of it at an NFL level.
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Not really. The offense in Philly has been adapted a ton from what Oregon runs. Some similarities but it's not really the same IMO. I think that's one of the things that impresses me most about Kelly.
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It's about as close as the college/pro relationship gets. Less projection required, in Mariota's case (hypothetically).

 
Taking an early look at rushing stats, here's the current RB leaderboard for rushing First Downs + TDs + 20-yard carries per attempt (1st+TD+20/att). Guys who were already on my radar are in bold:

1T20/a Player Team Yr
66.7% Shaun Wilson Duke FR
61.0% Kareem Hunt Toledo SO
56.5% Todd Gurley Georgia JR
56.5% Matt Breida Ga South SO
54.8% Josh Robinson Miss St JR
54.3% Breon Allen ECU SR
53.0% Jonathan Williams Arkansas JR
52.5% Jhurell Pressley New Mexico JR

52.4% Byron Marshall Oregon JR
51.3% Melvin Gordon Wisconsin JR
50.9% Ezekiel Elliott Ohio State SO
50.0% Alex Collins Arkansas SO
48.5% Samaje Perine Oklahoma FR
47.7% Tevin Coleman Indiana JR
47.6% D.J. Foster Ariz St JR
47.4% Ameer Abdullah Nebraska SR
45.9% Kenneth Farrow Houston JR
45.2% Shock Linwood Baylor SO
45.0% Shadrach Thornton NC State JR
44.6% Devon Johnson Marshall JR

And here are some other notable RBs:

41.3% Karlos Williams FSU SR
41.1% Corey Clement Wisconsin SO
37.5% Leonard Fournette LSU FR
36.0% Duke Johnson Miami (Fl) JR
34.0% Derrick Henry Alabama SO
33.8% Javorius Allen USC JR
33.0% Jay Ajayi Boise St JR
32.5% Kenneth Dixon La Tech JR
31.6% T.J. Yeldon Alabama JR
30.0% Mike Davis S Carolina JR

Below 38% is troubling, and above 48% is quite impressive. For comparison, some guys from last year's class:

48.1% Carlos Hyde (2013)
48.0% Henry Josey (2011-13)
45.5% James Wilder, Jr. (2012-13)
44.6% Antonio Andrews (2013)
42.2% Lache Seastrunk (2012-13)
42.2% Bishop Sankey (2013)
41.0% Ka'Deem Carey (2012-13)
40.8% Devonta Freeman (2012-13)
40.4% Jeremy Hill (2013)
40.3% James White (2013)
39.1% Tre Mason (2013)
39.1% Marion Grice (2012-13)
38.3% Charles Sims (2011-13)
33.2% Andre Williams (2013)

 
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Rotoworld:

Former NFL GM Phil Savage believes Stanford WR Ty Mongtomery will likely be selected in the first round.

This is due to Montgomery's "combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away," Savage writes. "He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage." Josh Norris and Cian Fahey are not quite on the Montgomery bandwagon, at least not to this level. Ty is at his best on screens, vertical routes and as a returner. For as fast as he is in a straight-line, Montgomery does not keep his speed when breaking off routes and does not consistently win in contested situations.

Source: Senior Bowl
Oct 2 - 1:05 PM
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Former NFL GM Phil Savage believes Stanford WR Ty Mongtomery will likely be selected in the first round.

This is due to Montgomery's "combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away," Savage writes. "He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage." Josh Norris and Cian Fahey are not quite on the Montgomery bandwagon, at least not to this level. Ty is at his best on screens, vertical routes and as a returner. For as fast as he is in a straight-line, Montgomery does not keep his speed when breaking off routes and does not consistently win in contested situations.

Source: Senior Bowl
Oct 2 - 1:05 PM
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I don't think he's a lock #1 WR in the NFL, but if he were playing at Alabama or Auburn then there'd be exponentially more hype. People on message boards rarely mention him as one of the top WR prospects in college football. I think he will be a top 50 pick come draft day though.

They're right about contested situations in the sense that he's not going to sky for the highlight reel grab ala AJ Green, but he showed good toughness and hands at the catch point against USC this year. I don't know if I've seen him drop a ball all season, although I haven't watched every snap. He has shored up his hands and become a reliable catcher. He's also a good route runner, contrary to what that blurb says. I think in terms of NFL upside he doesn't really play with the huge domineering size of a top NFL possession WR like Marshall or Fitzgerald, but can be sort of like a hybrid of Garcon (speed/thickness) and Boldin (in terms of strength, though more of an explosive tester and not as elusive or instinctive).

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Former NFL GM Phil Savage believes Stanford WR Ty Mongtomery will likely be selected in the first round.

This is due to Montgomery's "combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away," Savage writes. "He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage." Josh Norris and Cian Fahey are not quite on the Montgomery bandwagon, at least not to this level. Ty is at his best on screens, vertical routes and as a returner. For as fast as he is in a straight-line, Montgomery does not keep his speed when breaking off routes and does not consistently win in contested situations.

Source: Senior Bowl
Oct 2 - 1:05 PM
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Didn't Marcus Peters put him in check and make him a non-factor?

 
BigTex said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Former NFL GM Phil Savage believes Stanford WR Ty Mongtomery will likely be selected in the first round.

This is due to Montgomery's "combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away," Savage writes. "He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage." Josh Norris and Cian Fahey are not quite on the Montgomery bandwagon, at least not to this level. Ty is at his best on screens, vertical routes and as a returner. For as fast as he is in a straight-line, Montgomery does not keep his speed when breaking off routes and does not consistently win in contested situations.

Source: Senior Bowl
Oct 2 - 1:05 PM
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Didn't Marcus Peters put him in check and make him a non-factor?
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You mean the guy getting bulldozed at the 8 yard line?

http://youtu.be/zuuRoztXFFc?t=30s

When you look at Montgomery's stats, remember two things:

1. Kevin Hogan sucks.

2. Stanford doesn't throw the ball (because of #1).

Stanford ranks 107th of 124 FBS teams in pass attempts this season. That's right on par with last season, when they finished 112th.

 
maf005 said:
Can someone give me an early estimation of how the 2015 class compares to 2014's? I've amassed multiple 2nds
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Qb and RBs better this year than last. This should be the strongest RB class in years. WRs about the same maybe slightly worse but hard to say as there always seems to be underclassmen who strengthen things. Like any year it will depend where people go to know fully their fantasy impact.

 
EBF said:
BigTex said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Former NFL GM Phil Savage believes Stanford WR Ty Mongtomery will likely be selected in the first round.

This is due to Montgomery's "combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away," Savage writes. "He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage." Josh Norris and Cian Fahey are not quite on the Montgomery bandwagon, at least not to this level. Ty is at his best on screens, vertical routes and as a returner. For as fast as he is in a straight-line, Montgomery does not keep his speed when breaking off routes and does not consistently win in contested situations.

Source: Senior Bowl

Oct 2 - 1:05 PM
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Didn't Marcus Peters put him in check and make him a non-factor?
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You mean the guy getting bulldozed at the 8 yard line?

http://youtu.be/zuuRoztXFFc?t=30s

When you look at Montgomery's stats, remember two things:

1. Kevin Hogan sucks.

2. Stanford doesn't throw the ball (because of #1).

Stanford ranks 107th of 124 FBS teams in pass attempts this season. That's right on par with last season, when they finished 112th.
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How many catches and yards did Montgomery have?I didn't see all the game but when I did he was covered really well.

 
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I'd just like to remind everyone about a guy who is likely a top 5 RB in this class, Duke Johnson. Seems to have been totally forgotten this year.

 
Milkman said:
Anybody have a list of the top 4-5 wr in this class?
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Amari CooperDevin Funchess

Kevin White

Stefon Diggs

Duke Williams

Just missed: Devante Parker, Jaelen Strong. Could leap-frog a couple of these guys.

But my top-3 feels pretty solid right now, to me.

 
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