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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Real possibility the Colts draft one of Cook or Fournette if either fall to them. I think they prefer Cook. Obviously they need other positions too, but Gore is 34, so there is a need there as well.
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77 actually and not a large sample size but no matter how large the results are the results. I mean if he was lost looking JAG it would show in the results.
I think they stunned me and about everyone else ignoring the position last off-season, sure can't see them doing it again. May not be round 1, this is a loaded defensive draft and they have pressing needs but sure can't see them waiting to long if they go the draft route.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I've seen a few mocks with them taking someone like Kamara in the 2nd round. Wonder how high someone like that would go in rookie drafts. Probably #5 at minimum, and I'd imagine some people would reach for him above Williams/Davis.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
NFL is a copycat league, seeing the success the Cowboys have had this season with drafting a very talented back in Zeke teams team are close to getting over the hump will draft a running back high.
Tex
Just about half an hour ago I was listening to the latest Move the Sticks Podcast and they had a segment where Daniel Jeremiah read his scouting report and Bucky Brooks had to guess who he was talking about, who in this case was Kamara. Both Bucky and Jeremiah said Kamara is the best pass catching RB in this draft. Bucky comped him to Jamal Charles but the real heavy praise came from Jeremiah's scouting report which said it was "possible" he was the best RB in the entire draft. I know for sure DJ will at least start with Fournette and Cook as his top two but still heavy praise.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Not sure what Bucky was looking at but my two eyes say that Cook is a better receiver and the thought that he's "possibly" the best in this draft is a joke. He might not even be top 5 in 2017 or 2018.
Tex
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Great draft for ppr receiving backs.....cook..mixon and mccaffery all excel at it..need to check out kamara some more
I agree it's copycat league but I don't really agree with the Cowboys example as it related to pushing up RB's. Dallas has had success with every RB they have used the past few years and the one constant formula in that success is the OL, not the RB. So if teams were trying to copy Dallas I would think step one is the OL, which one might argue is what the Raiders have come close to pulling off.
But I do think the NFL is changing and I got to give Jon Robinson, the Titans GM, props for saying this last year. When he acquired Demarco and drafted Henry and they labeled the offense exotic smashmouth I kind of thought they might be going down the wrong path. I think not only was I wrong but this is the formula that is going to get copied. Robinson at the time mentioned matchups as the reason, something along the lines of defenses have prioritized pass defense so going more nickel and going in favor of pass rushers on the defensive front vs run stoppers. He was dead on and now I'm hearing more and more people say what he was saying a year ago or slightly different versions. One viewpoint I've heard is NFL teams prioritized pass rushers which in turn has lead to increased pressure on QB's and more hits to QB's to teams are trying to get away from going so pass heavy, get their QB hit less and take advantage of defensive mismatches so we should expect to see increased emphasis on the running game. This draft is loaded with pass rushers, I can see this trend continuing.
Except it's not just Bucky saying these kind of things. You are plenty welcome to your opinion that two ex-scouts along with people like Mayocks opinion of Kamara a joke I will on the other hand listen and do my due diligence.
Mathews and Crowell get no love. One for injuries and the other for playing on a crappy team, but both of them are easily better than Lacy. Powell and Bernard are totally different backs. Ware is probably on par with Lacy. However, I agree with your general premise that Lacy is better than a fair number of current starters, but his lack of conditioning and health is going to cost him big in free agency. GMs are going to see him as nothing more than a RBBC or stop gap player because they can't rely on him staying in shape or staying healthy for the whole season. His best hope is that a team strikes out at RB in the draft and has to sign him. Assuming Bell gets franchised and Crowell stays in CLE since he's a restricted FA, Lacy is going to be the most appealing FA RB, although Latavius Murray's durability might give him the edge in some GM's eyes. If JC is cut from the Chiefs, that'll hurt Lacy's market.
As for other recent topics:
- I agree Ty is a JAG. His sample size is small and the defenses didn't pay him any respect, so I think it is safe to take his ypc with a giant grain of salt. People love to ignore that some RBs face different defenses than others. I'd be surprised if Montgomery faced 8 in the box on more than 10% of his carries. I'm always reminded of when people said Ingram sucked because Sproles and Pierre Thomas had higher ypc, but what they were ignoring was that those two guys ran on <25% of their snaps and faced nickel and dime defenses while Ingram was running on over half his snaps and facing base defenses almost every time. When Ingram finally started getting Pierre Thomas' snaps, he magically became a much better runner... Similarly, if Ty Montgomery was facing the exact same defenses Lacy was facing, I suspect his ypc would be drastically different.
- Nobody is going to copy exotic smashmouth. TEN went 8-7 with Mariota starting in the weakest division in football (yes, they won a pointless week 17 Tom Savage vs. Matt Cassell showdown). They finished 3rd in rushing attempts, 3rd in rushing yards, and 11th in yards per carry. Nothing to see here folks.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
True, they might see things or have connections I don't so no argument there but they are more wrong than right. Their bust rate is so high I don't even listen to what they have to say about any prospect unless it's someone that's not on my radar then I will look for myself.
I'm certainly no scout or expert but I started winning when I stopped listening to the "experts" lol.
If Fournette or Cook is on the board there's ZERO chance anyone is going to draft Kamara other them. Not a one! So Bucky or anyone else can say what they want but let's see how the NFL or the Draft community play this out.
Good luck though,
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I've seen him and I've seen these players as well and personally I will NOT draft him before any of these backs regardless of where they land he's not as talented as they are.
Tex
Saying he could end up as the best RB in the draft is not the same thing as saying he is going to be picked over them.
As for listening to the experts and their hits and misses. You want to provide some more concrete examples? Because I've been listening and reading to these two for years and they've got misses like everyone else, I know for instance I'd label DJ's biggest miss last few years as Kevin White, but they have been way more on point then not and way more on point than internet/living room scouts or people on these boards. I've been winning plenty of money myself since I started listening to these "experts" but to each their own and I certainly welcome competing against anyone who thinks they know more than real scouts.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
As a Cowboy fan, your first paragraph is wrong. People keep saying this but if it was true the Cowboys would not have drafted Zeke.
The Cowboys said they drafted Zeke to help Romo stay alive lmao which was true. They also drafted him to help the defense.......it took a minute to sink in but after I thought about it it in theory it made since. They wanted to control the clock and the do, #1 in the NFL last I check. This keeps the ball in the Cowboys hands and keeps the other team's offense off the field.
Again, it's a copycat league and I honestly believe it will be more running backs taken in the first 3 rounds then we've seen in some time. Say what you want but Zeke is a rookie and it was the hottest debate on this board after the draft. Two groups, Zeke will be #1 RB and the other group thought we were crazy to think a rookie was going to walk into the NFL and dominate. Hhhhhmmmmm ok!
Again good luck friend,
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I actually could, want me to start with Dak????? Lol! Bucky was %10000% WRONG! But according to you their not?!?
I'm not anti-scout but their not God and they are wrong a lot. If not then why isn't Bucky employed by an NFL team? Why do they get fired all the time? Why do 50% of 1st rounders bust?
Tex
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No it's not wrong, it's as obvious as seeing the success Demarco Murray and DMC had. Mcfadden was the 4th leading rusher in the league that year and he did not even start until a few weeks into the season. Mcfadden!
I'm not wrong, Dallas just drafted Zeke because he was the best player on their board.
Jesus Christ. Who called Dak right? Who said they don't make mistakes? So weak with your entire spill. I'm done with you, thankfully for myself and people tired of this back and forth a setting exist so I don't have endure anymore more of your weak nonsense.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Ok so what do we think of wr dede westbrook?? Dont seem to be much hype surrounding him for his production.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
No Zeke was not! Not sure where you get your information. He was at the top but he was not #1.
You said "every" running back they used has been successful. That's what I'm disagreeing with you about. I know how good Murray was.
We obviously disagree and we draft differently. At one point in this journey I changed my style and I'm winning. You listen to other people so you're winning. Sounds to me we're both winning. We disagree because there's no one way to win in this league because there's some measure of luck involved lol.
But, I'm not going to muddy this great thread so my apologies to everyone.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Did you not ask for an example???? I'm certain you did and when I give you one you rant like a child lol ok.
Tex
I think really quick and fluid out of his breaks but he's awfully skinny and lack of success of OU WR's in NFL has me not overly excited right now. I'd like to see him add some weight, get into the 190 pound range and still run well at the combine and I might get more on board. As of now I I'd probably rank him where he'd fall as a mid second round rookie pick in dynasty leagues.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Derrick Henry...increased workload to come or are we going to have to wait a year or two?
Increase for sure and maybe something closer to RBBC but I still think in Demarco's favor. After 2017 season Demarco's guarantee's run out and I'd think 2018 is the year we see Henry take on a typical #1 RB role. I don't own Henry in dynasty but have him on a few redraft teams and found him unusable except as a hail mary, hope for TD day. I think the big change for Henry next year is he becomes a much more viable starting lineup option instead of a hail mary hope, but still a year away from being the lead dog.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
While they are at it maybe trade Aaron Rodgers too, they could probably get a nice package for him from the Bears.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
So to expand on what I was saying referring to Ty as JAG, here is a link to what I said about him being pedestrian as a complete RB back in November.......https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/726073-dynasty-ty-montgomery-wr-stanford/?do=findComment&comment=19621782
It's his inability/lack of execution to do the necessary things WITHOUT the ball in his hands.. Maybe its a lack of experience, idk.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Maybe too skinny but adds to the wr class....
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Sorry was just having a bit of fun. Although if there were to trade someone else's QB, it would probably be to themselves for Brockstar.
Faust
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Soap
Footballguy
Does anyone have their (too early) rookie rankings? Being based in the UK, I don't get to see a huge amount of college football so I'm left to trawl the interwebs looking for "expert" opinions on upcoming rookies.
I play in a 12 team, standard scoring, contract league (QB, RB, 2xWR, TE, WR/TE, WR/RB, K) and won the league last year so I'm sat at 1.12 and 2.12 for the first 2 rounds and like to look at what I can expect to be available. Obviously I know it'll all change depending on where they get drafted but I can at least start watching youtube clips...
I play in a 12 team, standard scoring, contract league (QB, RB, 2xWR, TE, WR/TE, WR/RB, K) and won the league last year so I'm sat at 1.12 and 2.12 for the first 2 rounds and like to look at what I can expect to be available. Obviously I know it'll all change depending on where they get drafted but I can at least start watching youtube clips...
