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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Victor Bolden Jr is a guy I really like. If their is a deep sleeper in this class my vote would be Victor, I can't wait to see what he does at the combine. He reminds me of Tyreek Hill but a little bit smaller you'd have to watch him play to appreciate his abilities his numbers is not a reflection of his skills.
Keep an eye on him.
Tex
Keep an eye on him.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
He's a guy I've tried to move up but when I watch him he just doesn't do it for me. He overpowers college players as he runs hard but he doesn't make too many miss and I can't get passed that. There's probably 7 or 8 backs I'd take before him. I've only watched two of his games but I saw nothing that would intrigue me to watch more.Zyphros said:
I will wait to see when and where he's going in the draft.
Tex
Zyphros
Footballguy
If you watch him vs. Toledo he looks damn impressive in all facets. I don't really follow college football that much except for looking at draft picks, but I remember hearing from the announcers saying Toledo is undersized on the defensive side. So he had a fantastic game against them. Obviously that would be his ceiling but it's a great looking ceiling in what was a close game. Maybe it's just his running style that has me hyped with Forte/AP but I can see why some of his other games leave people with the impressive of unimpressed.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I can definitely see where you're coming from. I had him ranked really high coming into this season but after watching a few games I moved on. He shows flashes here and there as for as actually watching him play. I root for him to do well but there are way more backs in this draft that are more promising IMHO.
Tex
miqws
Footballguy
Major props to ZWK for generic rankings and Faust for all the draft order links. Below is an average of the rankings, then converted to ZWK's generic rankings by rounding to nearest whole number and followed ZWK's generic rankings. I sorted by PPR as most value receivers' long term value. Count is number of times name showed up.
Also most of the NFL grades are in at www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker. Write ups and some measureables on the site. Last years top grades - Elliot was 7.09, J. Howard was 6.10, Fuller was 6.26, Treadwell was 6.25, H. Henry was 6.20, Wentz was 6.53, Goff was 6.51.
These averages exclude the maximum and minimum value in an attempt to kick out outliers. This says do some serious scouting after pick 11. Enjoy!
Player
Pos
School
ZWK generic VBD
ZWK generic PPR VBD
Scout.com grade 1/26
NFL.com grade 1/26
Count
Average (excluding min max)
1
Fournette, Leonard
RB
LSU
321
379
94
7.15
17
7.4
2
Cook, Dalvin
RB
Florida State
300
354
92
6.54
17
9.7
3
McCaffrey, Christian
RB
Stanford
191
225
87
5.90
15
28.2
4
Williams, Mike
WR
Clemson
148
212
91
6.32
17
10.9
5
Davis, Corey
WR
Western Michigan
133
192
88
6.23
17
15.7
6
Ross, John
WR
Washington
112
161
89
6.19
16
24.4
7
Howard, O.J.
TE
Alabama
103
148
89
6.22
17
21.4
8
Kamara, Alvin
RB
Tennessee
113
133
5.99
7
46.2
9
Foreman, D'Onta
RB
Texas
106
125
88
5.83
9
47.6
10
Mixon, Joe
RB
Oklahoma
100
118
6.02
6
49.8
11
Smith-Schuster, JuJu
WR
USC
69
99
n/a
10
41.3
12
McNichols, Jeremy
RB
Boise State
80
94
5.74
4
69.0
13
Gallman, Wayne
RB
Clemson
76
90
5.71
5
82.0
14
Njoku, David
TE
Miami
61
88
90
6.40
11
36.3
15
Samuel, Curtis
WR
Ohio State
61
88
5.73
10
49.0
16
Trubisky, Mitch
QB
North Carolina
86
86
87
6.86
17
12.9
17
Westbrook, DeDe
WR
Oklahoma
59
84
5.69
11
54.0
18
Hansen, Chad
WR
California
59
84
5.84
3
54.0
19
Watson, Deshaun
QB
Clemson
81
81
6.39
16
15.8
20
Kupp, Cooper
WR
Eastern Washington
56
81
5.75
8
59.8
21
Ford, Isaiah
WR
Virginia Tech
54
78
5.77
7
66.6
22
Kizer, Deshone
QB
Notre Dame
76
76
5.88
14
19.4
23
Dupre, Malachi
WR
LSU
53
76
n/a
3
70.0
24
Stewart, Ardarius
WR
Alabama
51
74
n/a
5
73.0
25
Godwin, Chris
WR
Penn State
48
69
n/a
4
80.5
26
Darboh, Amara
WR
Michigan
48
69
5.56
5
81.0
27
Stringefellow, Damore'ea
WR
Mississippi
47
68
5.55
3
84.0
28
Brown, Noah
WR
Ohio State
41
58
n/a
3
93.0
29
Hodges, Bucky
TE
Virginia Tech
38
54
5.91
8
54.8
30
Butt, Jake
TE
Michigan
37
53
5.81
3
58.0
31
Everett, Gerald
TE
South Alabama
36
52
6.00
6
60.5
32
Engram, Evan
TE
Mississippi
35
50
5.72
8
65.8
33
Leggett, Jordan
TE
Clemson
30
43
5.58
7
81.0
34
Mahomes, Pat
QB
Texas Tech
36
36
n/a
8
41.7
35
Kaaya, Brad
QB
Miami
15
15
5.74
5
57.3
Also most of the NFL grades are in at www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker. Write ups and some measureables on the site. Last years top grades - Elliot was 7.09, J. Howard was 6.10, Fuller was 6.26, Treadwell was 6.25, H. Henry was 6.20, Wentz was 6.53, Goff was 6.51.
These averages exclude the maximum and minimum value in an attempt to kick out outliers. This says do some serious scouting after pick 11. Enjoy!
Player
Pos
School
ZWK generic VBD
ZWK generic PPR VBD
Scout.com grade 1/26
NFL.com grade 1/26
Count
Average (excluding min max)
1
Fournette, Leonard
RB
LSU
321
379
94
7.15
17
7.4
2
Cook, Dalvin
RB
Florida State
300
354
92
6.54
17
9.7
3
McCaffrey, Christian
RB
Stanford
191
225
87
5.90
15
28.2
4
Williams, Mike
WR
Clemson
148
212
91
6.32
17
10.9
5
Davis, Corey
WR
Western Michigan
133
192
88
6.23
17
15.7
6
Ross, John
WR
Washington
112
161
89
6.19
16
24.4
7
Howard, O.J.
TE
Alabama
103
148
89
6.22
17
21.4
8
Kamara, Alvin
RB
Tennessee
113
133
5.99
7
46.2
9
Foreman, D'Onta
RB
Texas
106
125
88
5.83
9
47.6
10
Mixon, Joe
RB
Oklahoma
100
118
6.02
6
49.8
11
Smith-Schuster, JuJu
WR
USC
69
99
n/a
10
41.3
12
McNichols, Jeremy
RB
Boise State
80
94
5.74
4
69.0
13
Gallman, Wayne
RB
Clemson
76
90
5.71
5
82.0
14
Njoku, David
TE
Miami
61
88
90
6.40
11
36.3
15
Samuel, Curtis
WR
Ohio State
61
88
5.73
10
49.0
16
Trubisky, Mitch
QB
North Carolina
86
86
87
6.86
17
12.9
17
Westbrook, DeDe
WR
Oklahoma
59
84
5.69
11
54.0
18
Hansen, Chad
WR
California
59
84
5.84
3
54.0
19
Watson, Deshaun
QB
Clemson
81
81
6.39
16
15.8
20
Kupp, Cooper
WR
Eastern Washington
56
81
5.75
8
59.8
21
Ford, Isaiah
WR
Virginia Tech
54
78
5.77
7
66.6
22
Kizer, Deshone
QB
Notre Dame
76
76
5.88
14
19.4
23
Dupre, Malachi
WR
LSU
53
76
n/a
3
70.0
24
Stewart, Ardarius
WR
Alabama
51
74
n/a
5
73.0
25
Godwin, Chris
WR
Penn State
48
69
n/a
4
80.5
26
Darboh, Amara
WR
Michigan
48
69
5.56
5
81.0
27
Stringefellow, Damore'ea
WR
Mississippi
47
68
5.55
3
84.0
28
Brown, Noah
WR
Ohio State
41
58
n/a
3
93.0
29
Hodges, Bucky
TE
Virginia Tech
38
54
5.91
8
54.8
30
Butt, Jake
TE
Michigan
37
53
5.81
3
58.0
31
Everett, Gerald
TE
South Alabama
36
52
6.00
6
60.5
32
Engram, Evan
TE
Mississippi
35
50
5.72
8
65.8
33
Leggett, Jordan
TE
Clemson
30
43
5.58
7
81.0
34
Mahomes, Pat
QB
Texas Tech
36
36
n/a
8
41.7
35
Kaaya, Brad
QB
Miami
15
15
5.74
5
57.3
matttyl
Footballguy
looking at the above, seems there is a pretty large drop after the 2nd guy (either Cook or Fournette). With that said, what would you be willing to pay to move from #4 to #2? I've got the #1 already, should that make any difference.
Like, would you give a guy like Eddie Lacy or Ingram or Randall Cobb to jump those two spots - in dynasty of course.
Like, would you give a guy like Eddie Lacy or Ingram or Randall Cobb to jump those two spots - in dynasty of course.
Warhogs
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
matttyl
Footballguy
So then the gap after 2 is really that large? Interesting. I thought that Ingram would do it (decent shot Ingram outproduces one of those top two RBs for another year, maybe two - and you'd still possible get your favorite rookie WR at 4). Thanks for the input.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Obviously the draft can change things, but as it is I was say yes the gap from 2 to 3 is that large.
We're talking one of the better 1-2 punches of RB prospects compared to the top RBs of most recent draft classes vs a 1-2 punch of WRs that rate very mediocre or possibly even slightly below average compared to the top WRs of most classes.
Things could change some if, say, GB takes McCaffrey at the end of round 1 and Indy takes Kamara in the mid 2nd.
We're talking one of the better 1-2 punches of RB prospects compared to the top RBs of most recent draft classes vs a 1-2 punch of WRs that rate very mediocre or possibly even slightly below average compared to the top WRs of most classes.
Things could change some if, say, GB takes McCaffrey at the end of round 1 and Indy takes Kamara in the mid 2nd.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Ingram is greatly devalued in NO. He's very inconsistent only because of the way he's used or the lack thereof.
Tex
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think it spesks to the value of cobb n lacy some too.... Depends on the league. While one n two are very valuable. Getting mike williams and or crey davis at 3/4 is pretty nice too... I personally draw another tier line there
matttyl
Footballguy
Funny you should say that. That may be true week to week - but (at least in my league, pretty standard non PPR scoring) he finished as between the #9 and #12 PPG RB each of the last 3 years. Having said that, he's all over the place week to week.
matttyl
Footballguy
Hmm, I'll throw out Cobb and the 4 and see what happens. The guy has 2 and 3, and I have 1 and 4.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
they might....but not round 1FF Ninja said:
