Dynasty: D. Williams vs M. Turner (1 Viewer)

[CBower4545]

Dynasty Performance, PPR, 12 teams Start 1 QB, 2 RB , 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 Flex:

An owner recently told me he feels they are equal. I just wonder what The Shark Pool thinks. I believe D. Williams > Turner. What is the Turner argument?

I just have a hard time seeing them as equal.(although I do own D. Williams)

 

[SSOG]

Dynasty Performance, PPR, 12 teams Start 1 QB, 2 RB , 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 Flex:An owner recently told me he feels they are equal. I just wonder what The Shark Pool thinks. I believe D. Williams > Turner. What is the Turner argument?I just have a hard time seeing them as equal.(although I do own D. Williams)

The other owner wasn't trying to trade for DeAngelo Williams, was he?

 

[BassNBrew]

As long as Turner has LT in front of him and Williams has Fragile Foster, they aren't equal.

 

[CBower4545]

Yes. I have a hard time buying it. Wondered what the popular opinion was. Rankings I have seen seem to favor D. Williams. Williams is talented, young, can win the starters job this year by playoff time, it seems like foster may be gone in 08', vs a guy you have to wait a year to get anything, and it is uncertain what kind of situation he will land. Turner is a good prospect, but I just don't buy them being equal.

I would say it is trading strategy, trying to pump up his guy and down mine, but it doesn't make sense to me. Essentially the statement kills any possible deals, as it seems if I am to take it as true, there is no more counter offers from me. He contacted me, we just finished our draft, where I took Williams way before Turner, I mean opinions don't change so quick, there have been no situation changes to use as leverage, he gave no argument in his defense, just simply stated it as his opinion. How would it help him get Williams? So I'm confused by the interest on one hand and then the apparent shutdown. No current counter offers from him and my response to his response was essentially we will have to agree to disagree and that the trade discussion seems to be closed.

Unless it just like a feeler bet trying see where I value his players? Otherwise I don't get it.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever.

DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

 

[Smizzy]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I'm the 2nd owner in this deal....I don't think the difference between Williams and Turner in a dynasty league is wide enough to swap Braylon Edwards & Jason Witten for Terry Glenn and Dallas Clark in the deal.It really has nothing to do with Williams Vs. Turner.

 

[Smizzy]

He contacted me, we just finished our draft, where I took Williams way before Turner, I mean opinions don't change so quick, there have been no situation changes to use as leverage, he gave no argument in his defense, just simply stated it as his opinion. How would it help him get Williams? So I'm confused by the interest on one hand and then the apparent shutdown. No current counter offers from him and my response to his response was essentially we will have to agree to disagree and that the trade discussion seems to be closed.Unless it just like a feeler bet trying see where I value his players? Otherwise I don't get it.

I was busy and never got to respond to your email or counter offer.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever.

DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I'm the 2nd owner in this deal....I don't think the difference between Williams and Turner in a dynasty league is wide enough to swap Braylon Edwards & Jason Witten for Terry Glenn and Dallas Clark in the deal.

It really has nothing to do with Williams Vs. Turner.

Seems as though neither of you really wants to make this trade happen. DeAngelo is a better FF prospect than Turner, because of his situation. So, of course the first deal should've been counter-offered. But then the counter-offer went too far in the other direction. Turner, Braylon, and Witten for DeAngelo, Glenn, and Clark? I think you are both offering deals that are out of reach. At least you got Smizzy to admit Williams and Turner are not equal (see bold statement above).

 

[footballfreak99]

Turner. Easy one.

 

[jurb26]

Williams and this isn't close. More talent, more opportunity and younger.

 

[msommer]

Williams and this isn't close. More talent, more opportunity and younger.

Dynasty, right? So Turner's nigh certain starting in 2008 in another city than 2008 should count for some opportunity. As far as I am aware he has only signed his tenderoffer, not any long term deal.I agree that Williams ius likely the better long term deal - age, probably getting to start earlier, at least drafted higher although that is not an accurate measure of talent, Turner might just prove us all wrong.

 

[Bears_Man2]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I'm not a big Turner fan, but this one is pretty easy, I'd take Turner.

 

[jurb26]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

 

[Bears_Man2]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

Obviously everything. I don't see D'Angelo holding up for 16 games. And I see Foster taking a nice chunk of the pie for the foreseeable future. (I'm not handing the job to D'Angelo like some want to. Nothing I saw in 2006 from D'Angelo told me otherwise either).And Turner's flat out a better RB IMO.

 

[jurb26]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

Obviously everything. I don't see D'Angelo holding up for 16 games. And I see Foster taking a nice chunk of the pie for the foreseeable future. (I'm not handing the job to D'Angelo like some want to. Nothing I saw in 2006 from D'Angelo told me otherwise either).And Turner's flat out a better RB IMO.

No matter how you slice it, Williams has a better shot at both PT and starting in 2007. I just don't see the argument. You say that Foster will steal a nice chunk of the pie. Well, LT will steal the whole freaking thing and leave only crumbs. Who's better is open to interpretation of course. If you ask me, Williams is hands down.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

Obviously everything. I don't see D'Angelo holding up for 16 games. And I see Foster taking a nice chunk of the pie for the foreseeable future. (I'm not handing the job to D'Angelo like some want to. Nothing I saw in 2006 from D'Angelo told me otherwise either).And Turner's flat out a better RB IMO.

No matter how you slice it, Williams has a better shot at both PT and starting in 2007. I just don't see the argument. You say that Foster will steal a nice chunk of the pie. Well, LT will steal the whole freaking thing and leave only crumbs. Who's better is open to interpretation of course. If you ask me, Williams is hands down.

Jurb, did you miss the first word in the thread title? Why are you talking about 2007? Refer to the title, first word.

 

[Smizzy]

Great debate anyway.

 

[Yitbos69]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

Obviously everything. I don't see D'Angelo holding up for 16 games. And I see Foster taking a nice chunk of the pie for the foreseeable future. (I'm not handing the job to D'Angelo like some want to. Nothing I saw in 2006 from D'Angelo told me otherwise either).And Turner's flat out a better RB IMO.

No matter how you slice it, Williams has a better shot at both PT and starting in 2007. I just don't see the argument. You say that Foster will steal a nice chunk of the pie. Well, LT will steal the whole freaking thing and leave only crumbs. Who's better is open to interpretation of course. If you ask me, Williams is hands down.

This is a DYNASTY LEAGUE so more than 2007 has to be taken into consideration.......I still like Williams more though

 

[RC94]

I'd take Turner in a dynasty. Not being able to beat out LT2 is one thing, but not being able to beat out Foster raises concerns.

 

[Keith Lewis]

not being able to beat out Foster

That's pretty sad when you get right down to it. Anyone who watched DeAngelos college highlights (which are phenominal) and spent a very high rookie pick last season on DeAngelo haven't yet come to terms that college highlights don't equate to NFL success. Luckily for the owners who wasted a pick on D. Shrimpy will have another high draft choice soon.

 

[RC94]

not being able to beat out Foster

That's pretty sad when you get right down to it. Anyone who watched DeAngelos college highlights (which are phenominal) and spent a very high rookie pick last season on DeAngelo haven't yet come to terms that college highlights don't equate to NFL success. Luckily for the owners who wasted a pick on D. Shrimpy will have another high draft choice soon.

I really liked DWill coming out of college. I didn't have a high pick and wasn't willing to pay the high price in order to move up, so I missed out on getting him. I did try, though. I still think he has some upside, but I am no longer as high on him as I once was. From what I have seen of Turner, I think he will be a better starter once he gets the chance next year. Foster is just so average that I really expected DWill to win the job right away.

 

[jurb26]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

Obviously everything. I don't see D'Angelo holding up for 16 games. And I see Foster taking a nice chunk of the pie for the foreseeable future. (I'm not handing the job to D'Angelo like some want to. Nothing I saw in 2006 from D'Angelo told me otherwise either).And Turner's flat out a better RB IMO.

No matter how you slice it, Williams has a better shot at both PT and starting in 2007. I just don't see the argument. You say that Foster will steal a nice chunk of the pie. Well, LT will steal the whole freaking thing and leave only crumbs. Who's better is open to interpretation of course. If you ask me, Williams is hands down.

Jurb, did you miss the first word in the thread title? Why are you talking about 2007? Refer to the title, first word.

Because Turner and Foster will only be on their respective teams for 2007.

 

[jurb26]

I'd take Turner. I'm not sold on D'Angelo being any more capable to take 16 games than Foster.

Whats that got to do with him vs Turner?

Obviously everything. I don't see D'Angelo holding up for 16 games. And I see Foster taking a nice chunk of the pie for the foreseeable future. (I'm not handing the job to D'Angelo like some want to. Nothing I saw in 2006 from D'Angelo told me otherwise either).And Turner's flat out a better RB IMO.

No matter how you slice it, Williams has a better shot at both PT and starting in 2007. I just don't see the argument. You say that Foster will steal a nice chunk of the pie. Well, LT will steal the whole freaking thing and leave only crumbs. Who's better is open to interpretation of course. If you ask me, Williams is hands down.

This is a DYNASTY LEAGUE so more than 2007 has to be taken into consideration.......I still like Williams more though

Yes, did you miss my original post. That is where the the issue of Williams having more talent comes in....Not too mention we actually know where he will be playing after 2007.

 

[duaneok66]

not being able to beat out Foster

That's pretty sad when you get right down to it. Anyone who watched DeAngelos college highlights (which are phenominal) and spent a very high rookie pick last season on DeAngelo haven't yet come to terms that college highlights don't equate to NFL success. Luckily for the owners who wasted a pick on D. Shrimpy will have another high draft choice soon.

excellent post . . .

 

[EBF]

I've always been somewhat lukewarm about DeAngelo's prospects. I think he has a chance to be a Westbrook type, but his highlights never really had the "wow" factor for me. I view him as a bit of a boom-or-bust guy.

Turner has less upside, but looks like a safer pick at this point. I think he can be another Rudi Johnson.

In a PPR, I might roll the dice on DeAngelo's upside, but I think Turner is the safer investment.

 

[wannabee]

I am not a huge fan of Williams where he is currently drafted. He is worth more than Turner, in terms of pure value. But, if I had to have one of them on my team and there was no trades (to take advantage of the difference in value), I would easily take Turner.

During the 5 years Fox has been in Caroline, the rushing numbers show that it will be very difficult for Williams (or even Foster) to have a year worthy of his ADP.

 

[Otis]

Turner. Easy one.

 

[Phlash]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

 

[duaneok66]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

DJ???

 

[Keith Lewis]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

The most recent official Carolina depth chart has Foster as the starter, could you forward me the link to the official depth chart where D. Shrimpy is the starter?

 

[Reaper]

Turner. Easy one.

D Williams has potentially more opportunity THIS year YET still isn't the sure starter. - Next year all bets are off.... Based on TALENT what would people say?, My untrained eye says Turner... Unless D Williams locks up a starting role I'll look at more Long Term, Talent and Ultimate Upside.Turner definitely seems like the better Value so, at the very least people who like Turner have that going for them.

 

[Phlash]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

The most recent official Carolina depth chart has Foster as the starter, could you forward me the link to the official depth chart where D. Shrimpy is the starter?

They just have Foster as the starter on the website depth chart as a formality. DJ will take the job by the end of camp and not look back

 

[OCC]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

The most recent official Carolina depth chart has Foster as the starter, could you forward me the link to the official depth chart where D. Shrimpy is the starter?

They just have Foster as the starter on the website depth chart as a formality. DJ will take the job by the end of camp and not look back

Didn't he take the job week 12 and 13 and not look back? At least until Foster was healthy and was named the starter.I guess Dwill had a great offseason, is in the best shape of his life, and is ready to lay a whooping on the NFL. Still seems like Foster is going to be the starter to me.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

The most recent official Carolina depth chart has Foster as the starter, could you forward me the link to the official depth chart where D. Shrimpy is the starter?

They just have Foster as the starter on the website depth chart as a formality. DJ will take the job by the end of camp and not look back

Didn't he take the job week 12 and 13 and not look back? At least until Foster was healthy and was named the starter.I guess Dwill had a great offseason, is in the best shape of his life, and is ready to lay a whooping on the NFL. Still seems like Foster is going to be the starter to me.

Hilarious.

 

[Phlash]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

The most recent official Carolina depth chart has Foster as the starter, could you forward me the link to the official depth chart where D. Shrimpy is the starter?

They just have Foster as the starter on the website depth chart as a formality. DJ will take the job by the end of camp and not look back

Didn't he take the job week 12 and 13 and not look back? At least until Foster was healthy and was named the starter.I guess Dwill had a great offseason, is in the best shape of his life, and is ready to lay a whooping on the NFL. Still seems like Foster is going to be the starter to me.

John Fox will see the folly of his ways when Foster breaks a nail in camp and sits out because of it. DJ isn't great yet, but the season hasn't started either

 

[Keith Lewis]

I can't believe people are still on the Turner bandwagon, talk about good things come to those who wait forever. DeAngelo Williams and it isn't even close.

I agree. Turner will no doubt be good for a few years, but DJ is young and ALREADY a starter. Plus he has hands like glue, and is loaded with talent. He'll get his yards and TDs no doubt.

The most recent official Carolina depth chart has Foster as the starter, could you forward me the link to the official depth chart where D. Shrimpy is the starter?

They just have Foster as the starter on the website depth chart as a formality. DJ will take the job by the end of camp and not look back

Didn't he take the job week 12 and 13 and not look back? At least until Foster was healthy and was named the starter.I guess Dwill had a great offseason, is in the best shape of his life, and is ready to lay a whooping on the NFL. Still seems like Foster is going to be the starter to me.

John Fox will see the folly of his ways when Foster breaks a nail in camp and sits out because of it. DJ isn't great yet, but the season hasn't started either

Williams had a torn MCL in 2003, a fractured right fibula in 2004, and injured his ankle last season with the panthers. It appears Williams has a history of leg injuries. I'm not sure bringing up injuries when it concerns the RB position in Carolina really favors DeAngelo, especially when you consider he is only 5'8". Foster had 259 touches to Williams 154 touches, yet Williams missed 4 games to injury last year while Foster missed 2.

 

[TaxMan]

a lot of uncertainty on where Turner will go. Will he go to RBBC team? Yes, he's been great in the 4th quarter of every blowout game by the Chargers, let's see what he does as a starter.

DeAngelo, though he didnt run away with the job, was that because of Fox's loyalty to his starters? or was it because DeAngelo didnt impress Fox when he had the chance?

Game 2 against the Vikes on the road was a nice cameo appearance by D-Will.

13-74yds, 5rec-24 yds, 1 TD. Aside from that, if you saw the game, you saw the glimpse of a special RB.

Philly game, enuff said !!

The issue here is John Fox, not DeAngelo. But if you believee that Fox is feeling the pressure that his job may be on the line, then i think he plays the best guys this year. And that guy is DeAngelo. Had games of 7, 6, 5, 4 receptions, and one 100-game rec yd !!!

I take DeAngelo over Turner any day of the week !!