[DYNASTY] Deep Sleeper Prospects at QB (1 Viewer)

[ConstruxBoy]

For those of us in larger dynasty leagues, I wanted to start a discussion about some of the deeper QB prospects and what their future may hold. I'm mainly talking about young, 3rd string QBs. Most guys never saw the field this season, so homer opinions from practices or whatever would be helpful.

Ryan Fitzpatrick - STL - I know that he was more of a Martz favorite, but is he still in line behind Bulger? I can understand them keeping Frerotte around as the immediate backup, but is Fitz still thought of as the eventual Bulger successor?

Ingle Martin - GB - Seems like Rodgers will get first crack at replacing Favre, but he may not shine and got hurt in his lone action this season. Is Martin far enough along to compete with Rodgers for the #2/#1 spot next year, or do they draft someone or bring in a vet?

Don Orlovsky - DET - Neither Kitna nor McCown are that old, so Orlovsky is in the right age frame, but the Lions may draft a QB. And with the GM position possibly turning over in the next year or two, this is a tough call. But I was reading an old Blogger entry about Orlovsky battling McCown right to the finish of Preseason for the #2 this past season.

Kyle Orton - CHI - Didn't look that great fantasy-wise last year, but the team did win. Grossman and Griese haven't been that consistent. Does he have a shot down the road?

Quinn Gray - JAX - Looked real good in week 17. Is Leftwich gone there? Is Garrard good enough to hold down the #1 long term?

Brodie Croyle - KC - Green is starting to look old and although Huard looked pretty good in his play this season, he's no spring chicken either. Is Croyle the future? Or are they likely to start over with another young QB prospect?

Feel free to comment on these or add your own.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.

Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.

How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

 

[LHUCKS]

Nall

 

[Warpig]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

My thoughts exactly.I will be targeting Gray in the off-season. I was actually thinking about picking up Croyle also if I can get him on the cheap.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

For those of us in larger dynasty leagues, I wanted to start a discussion about some of the deeper QB prospects and what their future may hold. I'm mainly talking about young, 3rd string QBs. Most guys never saw the field this season, so homer opinions from practices or whatever would be helpful. Ryan Fitzpatrick - STL - I know that he was more of a Martz favorite, but is he still in line behind Bulger? I can understand them keeping Frerotte around as the immediate backup, but is Fitz still thought of as the eventual Bulger successor?

Frerotte signed a reasonable three year deal to back up Bulger, and he's good enough to start for at least a few teams. The team should stick with him through 08 unless Fitzpatrick really steps up his play. Fitzpatrick showed a ton of spirit in his debut last year, but then he started looking more like an Ivy league QB. I dont see much upside, but at least we know he's willing to lay it out there when he gets on the field.

Ingle Martin - GB - Seems like Rodgers will get first crack at replacing Favre, but he may not shine and got hurt in his lone action this season. Is Martin far enough along to compete with Rodgers for the #2/#1 spot next year, or do they draft someone or bring in a vet?

Rodgers may well be a total bust that barely gets to play at all despite being a first round pick - it's that bad. Martin showed up very raw, but his ability (especially his arm) is promising. Monitor the Rodgers/Martin situation carefully in training camp. Martin has the upside to make noise in the future.

Don Orlovsky - DET - Neither Kitna nor McCown are that old, so Orlovsky is in the right age frame, but the Lions may draft a QB. And with the GM position possibly turning over in the next year or two, this is a tough call. But I was reading an old Blogger entry about Orlovsky battling McCown right to the finish of Preseason for the #2 this past season.

I liked Dan coming out of Uconn, he was a gutsy QB. The Lions let McCown take some snaps at WR this year, I don't know what that means about his future with the team. As much as I want Orlovsky to get a shot, the fact that the Lions didn't give him any series at the end of season worries me. I'll be keeping tabs on offseason news about him.

Kyle Orton - CHI - Didn't look that great fantasy-wise last year, but the team did win. Grossman and Griese haven't been that consistent. Does he have a shot down the road?

Sure, why not? While Orton struggled to do much in his rookie year, he really wasn't bad for a kid thrown into the fire. It's not a great sign that Chicago went out and got Griese, but if they don't address QB in the draft/FA, they should at least have an open mind to Orton being the answer in training camp. I wasn't that impressed with his raw tools, but there was a time at Purdue that he was considered possible first round material, so the potential is there.

Quinn Gray - JAX - Looked real good in week 17. Is Leftwich gone there? Is Garrard good enough to hold down the #1 long term?

Good luck figuring out the situation in JAX with Koetter there. Now Jake Plummer is being thrown around. Regardless, I like Gray as a guy to stick as a backup in this league at least, and you have to love his instincts to run the ball in when he's in the red zone. He looked eerily like Garrard out there. You could have switch the uniform numbers and I would have barely noticed. My favorite guy on this list so far.

Brodie Croyle - KC - Green is starting to look old and although Huard looked pretty good in his play this season, he's no spring chicken either. Is Croyle the future? Or are they likely to start over with another young QB prospect?

I never really bought into the Brodie hype at Bama. We'll see how much KC thinks of him in the offseason, when they have to decide how much they are willing to pay Huard to come back. Green looks D-O-N-E, so Croyle probably has the best opportunity of anyone on this list, and therefore one of the best values in dynasty leagues.Good topic Other lesser known QBs to discuss:Cleo Lemon, MIABrooks Bollinger, MINSage Rosenfels, HOUMatt Cassel, NE

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Nall

I almost added him. Not feeling as much hope with him due to Losman's excellent season, which is good as a Bills fan. He may stick around as the #3, but Losman looking good you would think they'll want a vet like holcomb as the #2.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Quinn Gray - JAX - Looked real good in week 17. Is Leftwich gone there? Is Garrard good enough to hold down the #1 long term?Good luck figuring out the situation in JAX with Koetter there. Now Jake Plummer is being thrown around. Regardless, I like Gray as a guy to stick as a backup in this league at least, and you have to love his instincts to run the ball in when he's in the red zone. He looked eerily like Garrard out there. You could have switch the uniform numbers and I would have barely noticed. My favorite guy on this list so far.

Well heres a tidbit that may just help. Koetter's system at ASU has always relied on a QB with decent mobility and a strong arm- think Andrew Walter, who flourished under his system. Gray just may be the closest think we have to a glove fit at QB,as he boasts the requisite strength and mobility, and the competition is entirely wide open. JDR and Koetter have both stated that one of the three QB's currently on the roster will not be retained, and have also downplayed the Leftwich incident, calling it something that can be handled 'between JDR and Leftwich- behind closed doors'. This leads me to think that Garrard is the odd man out here. However, the difference in playing style between Gray and Lefty is just as glaring- and I think an impartial observer such as Koetter may just falll in love with Gray's measurables. The one thing to watch for, however, is going to be what the Jaguars do ocme draft time. If we happen to get a shot at Brian Brohm, I honestly think he is the BEST fit for this offense. He may be capable of risiing to the top spot before the regular season begins.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

I'm thinking dynasty leagues where about 55-60 QBs are rostered and you want to look beyond the bottom tier QB2s, especially the older ones, and grab a young QB3 who could be your #4-5 QB for a year or 2.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Thanks for the great comments Bloom.

I also was not that high on Croyle coming out of Alabama. But his situation is great.

I almost brought up Rosenfels and Houston, but then I would have to drag Van Pelt into the conversation.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

I'm thinking dynasty leagues were about 55-60 QBs are rostered and you want to look beyond the bottom tier QB2s, especially the older ones, and grab a young QB3 who could be your #4-5 QB for a year or 2.

Martin, Gray, Orton, Lemon, Croyle, Orlovsky all qualify here.I know he's unlikely, but what about the "hefty lefty", Jared Lorenzen? I know he won't get his shot in New York unless we really see Eli crash and burn, but I can't help be intrigued by this tank with a high powered gun.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

I'm thinking dynasty leagues were about 55-60 QBs are rostered and you want to look beyond the bottom tier QB2s, especially the older ones, and grab a young QB3 who could be your #4-5 QB for a year or 2.

Martin, Gray, Orton, Lemon, Croyle, Orlovsky all qualify here.I know he's unlikely, but what about the "hefty lefty", Jared Lorenzen? I know he won't get his shot in New York unless we really see Eli crash and burn, but I can't help be intrigued by this tank with a high powered gun.

Unless we see Eli crash and burn? What was this season?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Thanks for the great comments Bloom. I also was not that high on Croyle coming out of Alabama. But his situation is great. I almost brought up Rosenfels and Houston, but then I would have to drag Van Pelt into the conversation.

Van Pelt should feel lucky to be brought up in any conversation about the NFL. More like you'd have to drag us into a conversation about Van Pelt.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Thanks for the great comments Bloom. I also was not that high on Croyle coming out of Alabama. But his situation is great. I almost brought up Rosenfels and Houston, but then I would have to drag Van Pelt into the conversation.

Van Pelt should feel lucky to be brought up in any conversation about the NFL. More like you'd have to drag us into a conversation about Van Pelt.

It's hard to part with old sleepers though. I swear Earnest Graham is the second coming of Emmitt Smith.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Quinn Gray - JAX - Looked real good in week 17. Is Leftwich gone there? Is Garrard good enough to hold down the #1 long term?Good luck figuring out the situation in JAX with Koetter there. Now Jake Plummer is being thrown around. Regardless, I like Gray as a guy to stick as a backup in this league at least, and you have to love his instincts to run the ball in when he's in the red zone. He looked eerily like Garrard out there. You could have switch the uniform numbers and I would have barely noticed. My favorite guy on this list so far.

Well heres a tidbit that may just help. Koetter's system at ASU has always relied on a QB with decent mobility and a strong arm- think Andrew Walter, who flourished under his system. Gray just may be the closest think we have to a glove fit at QB,as he boasts the requisite strength and mobility, and the competition is entirely wide open. JDR and Koetter have both stated that one of the three QB's currently on the roster will not be retained, and have also downplayed the Leftwich incident, calling it something that can be handled 'between JDR and Leftwich- behind closed doors'. This leads me to think that Garrard is the odd man out here. However, the difference in playing style between Gray and Lefty is just as glaring- and I think an impartial observer such as Koetter may just falll in love with Gray's measurables. The one thing to watch for, however, is going to be what the Jaguars do ocme draft time. If we happen to get a shot at Brian Brohm, I honestly think he is the BEST fit for this offense. He may be capable of risiing to the top spot before the regular season begins.

Thanks for the great info. I was thinking Lefty would be gone and Garrard and Gray would be competing. Wonder if Garrard could get traded somewhere?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

I'm thinking dynasty leagues were about 55-60 QBs are rostered and you want to look beyond the bottom tier QB2s, especially the older ones, and grab a young QB3 who could be your #4-5 QB for a year or 2.

Martin, Gray, Orton, Lemon, Croyle, Orlovsky all qualify here.I know he's unlikely, but what about the "hefty lefty", Jared Lorenzen? I know he won't get his shot in New York unless we really see Eli crash and burn, but I can't help be intrigued by this tank with a high powered gun.

Unless we see Eli crash and burn? What was this season?

touche. Sadly, as a #1 overall and a Manning, he'll get a lot more shots than he should get before getting pulled for good.

 

[Warpig]

Quinn Gray - JAX - Looked real good in week 17. Is Leftwich gone there? Is Garrard good enough to hold down the #1 long term?Good luck figuring out the situation in JAX with Koetter there. Now Jake Plummer is being thrown around. Regardless, I like Gray as a guy to stick as a backup in this league at least, and you have to love his instincts to run the ball in when he's in the red zone. He looked eerily like Garrard out there. You could have switch the uniform numbers and I would have barely noticed. My favorite guy on this list so far.

Well heres a tidbit that may just help. Koetter's system at ASU has always relied on a QB with decent mobility and a strong arm- think Andrew Walter, who flourished under his system. Gray just may be the closest think we have to a glove fit at QB,as he boasts the requisite strength and mobility, and the competition is entirely wide open. JDR and Koetter have both stated that one of the three QB's currently on the roster will not be retained, and have also downplayed the Leftwich incident, calling it something that can be handled 'between JDR and Leftwich- behind closed doors'. This leads me to think that Garrard is the odd man out here. However, the difference in playing style between Gray and Lefty is just as glaring- and I think an impartial observer such as Koetter may just falll in love with Gray's measurables. The one thing to watch for, however, is going to be what the Jaguars do ocme draft time. If we happen to get a shot at Brian Brohm, I honestly think he is the BEST fit for this offense. He may be capable of risiing to the top spot before the regular season begins.

Awesome.This is why I love this board. Good inside/homer stuff.

 

[LHUCKS]

No love for Seneca? He looked decent for a first year starter. I'd take him over several mentioned already.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Croyle and Gray are cuts above the rest. Both could compete in 2007, with Croyle having a bigger shot.Martin played Week 17 in a mop-up role. Bloom knows more on him than I.How deep are we considering? What I'm asking is not about rostering, but if you start only one, you only are looking for guys who can start for you. If your league starts nearly all the NFL QB starters, then some of the names may be worth a shot, otherwise you're wasting your time on these projects. In a league with 12-16 QB starters, you need QBs with 20+ TD season upside.

I'm thinking dynasty leagues were about 55-60 QBs are rostered and you want to look beyond the bottom tier QB2s, especially the older ones, and grab a young QB3 who could be your #4-5 QB for a year or 2.

Martin, Gray, Orton, Lemon, Croyle, Orlovsky all qualify here.I know he's unlikely, but what about the "hefty lefty", Jared Lorenzen? I know he won't get his shot in New York unless we really see Eli crash and burn, but I can't help be intrigued by this tank with a high powered gun.

Unless we see Eli crash and burn? What was this season?

touche. Sadly, as a #1 overall and a Manning, he'll get a lot more shots than he should get before getting pulled for good.

Very true but it's things like that tidbit that you have to factor into your dynasty thoughts/strategy.

 

[LHUCKS]

Quinn Gray - JAX - Looked real good in week 17. Is Leftwich gone there? Is Garrard good enough to hold down the #1 long term?Good luck figuring out the situation in JAX with Koetter there. Now Jake Plummer is being thrown around. Regardless, I like Gray as a guy to stick as a backup in this league at least, and you have to love his instincts to run the ball in when he's in the red zone. He looked eerily like Garrard out there. You could have switch the uniform numbers and I would have barely noticed. My favorite guy on this list so far.

Well heres a tidbit that may just help. Koetter's system at ASU has always relied on a QB with decent mobility and a strong arm- think Andrew Walter, who flourished under his system. Gray just may be the closest think we have to a glove fit at QB,as he boasts the requisite strength and mobility, and the competition is entirely wide open.

Walter isn't very mobile.Personally, I think Lefty's gunslinging style better fits the Koetter system.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

No love for Seneca? He looked decent for a first year starter. I'd take him over several mentioned already.

That's a good call. I was mainly looking at QB3s and he's the solid QB2 in Seattle. But he should be pretty high on the QB2 list after the injury and overall year that Hasselbeck had in 2006.

 

[purplehaze67]

Is it generally accepted that Croyle > Printers in KC?

Does Omar Jacobs hold any value at this point?

 

[Warpig]

I guess we could add one more that is currently in a questionable/unstable situation.

DJ Shockley.

Granted, the Falcons are locked into Vick for atleast 2 more years, but if Schaub isn't the starter he may get traded away. I guess it depends on what Shockley shows in OTA's and training camp.

Could be a similar player to Vick with better passing skills perhaps.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Does Omar Jacobs hold any value at this point?

I think he's ranked #1 in the McDonald's Burger Flipper fantasy league.

 

[Warpig]

Is it generally accepted that Croyle > Printers in KC? Does Omar Jacobs hold any value at this point?

Printers is very raw. He doesn't sound very smart when he's been interviewed...take it for what it's worth. He's more athletic, but I would feel more comfortable with Croyle than Printers.

 

[LHUCKS]

No love for Seneca? He looked decent for a first year starter. I'd take him over several mentioned already.

That's a good call. I was mainly looking at QB3s

Oh...just saw that.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Does Omar Jacobs hold any value at this point?

He's looking for his THIRD team already, after getting cut by the Steelers (drafted him in the 5th round), then was signed and cut by the Eagles (was on the Practice Squad from Oct-Jan).He also worked out for the Dolphins in October.I don't see much upside at all.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

No love for Seneca? He looked decent for a first year starter. I'd take him over several mentioned already.

2008 - he'll get his chance on the open market.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

No love for Seneca? He looked decent for a first year starter. I'd take him over several mentioned already.

That's a good call. I was mainly looking at QB3s

Oh...just saw that.

Right - I have him in my Top 40 (Seneca).

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Keep something in mind - this may be a wild goose chase.

With the Draft in 3 months (yes, just 3 months.....), 10-15 new QBs will be in the mix in the NFL. That means 5-12 guys will be on the "former NFL player" list, and not all of them will be named Testaverde.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

A few other names that warrant discussion and consideration:

John Navarre (AZ)

Brett Basanez (CAR) - Also covered in this week's Dynasty Watch (recapping non-playoff NFC teams)

Patrick Ramsey (NYJ)

David Greene (SEA)

Charlie Whitehurst (SD)

Luke McCown (TB)

Shaun Hill (SF)

 

[PatsWillWin]

Not sure if he's 2/3 in New York, so maybe he's not "deep" enough for this discussion, but I wanted to throw Kellen Clemens' name in there.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not sure if he's 2/3 in New York, so maybe he's not "deep" enough for this discussion, but I wanted to throw Kellen Clemens' name in there.

 

[aposulli]

Throwing out the oldies like Warner, Bledsoe, Brunell, etc...

My Qbs ranked lower than 40:

K.Clemons

D.Anderson

K.Boller

J.McCown

P.Ramsey

B.Bollinger

S.Wallace

C.Lemon

S.Rosenfels

C.Whitehurst

L.McCown

Q.Gray

M.Cassel

I.Martin

D.J.Shockley

D.Greene

O.Jacobs

NOTE: Croyle is in my top 40

 

[PatsWillWin]

Throwing out the oldies like Warner, Bledsoe, Brunell, etc...

My Qbs ranked lower than 40:

K.Clemons

D.Anderson

K.Boller

J.McCown

P.Ramsey

B.Bollinger

S.Wallace

C.Lemon

S.Rosenfels

C.Whitehurst

L.McCown

Q.Gray

M.Cassel

I.Martin

D.J.Shockley

D.Greene

O.Jacobs



NOTE: Croyle is in my top 40

Is Tavaris Jackson?

 

[stevegamer]

AJ Feeley, maybe. He's a #3 right now, who could move up to #2 if Garcia doesn't return and/or McNabb isn't quite ready.

The Eagles like him, as they went out and got him again.

 

[aposulli]

NOTE: Croyle is in my top 40

Is Tavaris Jackson?

Definitly.Could easily develop into a poor man's Donovan McNabb if they get some decent WRs around him.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

NOTE: Croyle is in my top 40

Is Tavaris Jackson?

Definitly.Could easily develop into a poor man's Donovan McNabb if they get some decent WRs around him.

Or VY, or CPep (before the knee injury).....Tarv is a solid #2 QB candidate for 07.