Dynasty Ds (1 Viewer)

[Football Jones]

Ds are just a notch above the red-headed stepchild of FF (Ks), but like any starting spot, you can gain a points advantage at the position.

I'm in a dynasty league that has fairly high D scoring by way of PA & yardage scoring as well as 3 points for TOs (to match minus 3 for INTs & fumbles lost). BTW, all Ds are taken & none are ever dropped.

The right D(s) can make a real difference in many leagues. My question is what Ds are a good buy in dynasty? We have the obvious ones, but I'm more or less talking about sleeper types. Also, are there any top Ds that might crash soon (for whatever reason)?

My sleeper pick is the Cowboys D. They may have the best front 7 in the league right now (Irving gets off suspension this week), but if not, Dallas certainly has the best YOUNG front 7, IMO. All they need to be dominant is a little more talent on the back end.

Any opinions?

 

[msudaisy26]

Ds are just a notch above the red-headed stepchild of FF (Ks), but like any starting spot, you can gain a points advantage at the position.

I'm in a dynasty league that has fairly high D scoring by way of PA & yardage scoring as well as 3 points for TOs (to match minus 3 for INTs & fumbles lost). BTW, all Ds are taken & none are ever dropped.

The right D(s) can make a real difference in many leagues. My question is what Ds are a good buy in dynasty? We have the obvious ones, but I'm more or less talking about sleeper types. Also, are there any top Ds that might crash soon (for whatever reason)?

My sleeper pick is the Cowboys D. They may have the best front 7 in the league right now (Irving gets off suspension this week), but if not, Dallas certainly has the best YOUNG front 7, IMO. All they need to be dominant is a little more talent on the back end.

Any opinions?

Look at the splits when Lee plays and when he doesn't. It is staggering. Lee isn't a guy that is healthy a lot and he is 32. I would pass. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Dallas D is WW fodder. Terrible. Their conference is blooming with talent on top of it all. Dallas may be the worst team in their division. 

I'd take a team like Arizona- what are they like 2 years removed from being one of the top defenses?, Green Bay is looking very much up, Detroit I always liked as an up and coming defense the last 2 years. 

Looking at teams that will have, and even currently have, inexperienced QBs in their division, I'd take Buffalo as a big sleeper. Brady will be gone before long, Miami should be drafting a new QB. The Jets have a franchise guy but not much around him yet. 

 

[Football Jones]

Look at the splits when Lee plays and when he doesn't. It is staggering. Lee isn't a guy that is healthy a lot and he is 32. I would pass. 

Yeah, the Lee splits are infamous, but Leighton Vander Esch is why I'm still very high on the Cowboys as a dynasty D.

Lee was out last week & the D performed well. LVE has gotten more PT each week & will be a quick study.

 

[Football Jones]

Dallas D is WW fodder. Terrible. Their conference is blooming with talent on top of it all. Dallas may be the worst team in their division. 

I'd take a team like Arizona- what are they like 2 years removed from being one of the top defenses?, Green Bay is looking very much up, Detroit I always liked as an up and coming defense the last 2 years. 

Looking at teams that will have, and even currently have, inexperienced QBs in their division, I'd take Buffalo as a big sleeper. Brady will be gone before long, Miami should be drafting a new QB. The Jets have a franchise guy but not much around him yet. 

I'm not talking redraft, only dynasty.

The Cowboys have a tremendous young front 7. That'll pay dividends. They also have a bunch of cap space to go get some help for the back end in the offseason.

BTW, I'm also not referring to current overall team strength or any of that. Strictly D. They're one of the better buys relative to price (again, dynasty).

 

[Football Jones]

BTW, this isn't about the Boys.

I'd like to hear some opinions on other good dynasty buys & if anyone believes a top D will crash soon (similar to what has happened to Seattle).

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm not talking redraft, only dynasty.

The Cowboys have a tremendous young front 7. That'll pay dividends. They also have a bunch of cap space to go get some help for the back end in the offseason.

BTW, I'm also not referring to current overall team strength or any of that. Strictly D. And they're one of the better buys relative to price (again, dynasty).

you didnt read my entire post. I'm talking dynasty too. Dallas is one of the worst teams in their division long term. lot of talent on offense on the teams in their division, which (correct me if I'm wrong), the defense has to stop opposing offenses 

 

[zed2283]

Are the Rams too obvious?

 

[Interseptopus]

Are the Rams too obvious?

is Hopkins a sleeper?

 

[Football Jones]

you didnt read my entire post. I'm talking dynasty too. Dallas is one of the worst teams in their division long term. lot of talent on offense on the teams in their division.

I read it, LOL, but they play 10 other games besides Philly, Giants, & Skins.

And it's not like all those teams are offensive juggernauts.

 

[Interseptopus]

I read it, LOL, but they play 10 other games besides Philly, Giants, & Skins.

And it's not like all those teams are offensive juggernauts.

I'm talking dynasty not redraft 

 

[Football Jones]

Are the Rams too obvious?

Pretty much, but boy you could've cashed in if you saw them coming. I tried to get the Rams during the season last year, but couldn't swing it.

They're really going to be valuable for a long time in the league I was referring to.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm talking dynasty not redraft 

Right. 

I'm talking dynasty, too.

 

[Sebowski]

Are the Rams too obvious?

What is their value? I've been debating trading for a D for my run this year. I just don't want to overpay for such a volitile position. I generally stream. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Right. 

I'm talking dynasty, too.

I know it pains you to see your rivals arrows pointing up. you go right ahead and waste a spot on the Dallas defense. I'll leave them on my ww for 3 years and then go grab them when they're 2 years away from being good (they'll still be on the wire)

I'd rather have Ds that are 1-2 years away from being good

 

[Football Jones]

I know it pains you to see your rivals arrows pointing up. you go right ahead and waste a spot on the Dallas defense. I'll leave them on my ww for 3 years and then go grab them when they're 2 years away from being good (they'll still be on the wire)

I'd rather have Ds that are 1-2 years away from being good

Like I said, this isn't about Dallas. Just looking for other opinions, but I'm far from the only FFer who sees the Cowboys as a good longterm D buy given their young talent.

The front 7 is VERY impressive (& young). The back end needs some work, but the key there is the cap space they'll have freed up in the offseason. The Cowboys have also drafted really well lately under Will McClay.

 

[Football Jones]

What is their value? I've been debating trading for a D for my run this year. I just don't want to overpay for such a volitile position. I generally stream. 

Redraft?

If so, it's tough to pay top dollar for a D.

However, in a dynasty league with the right scoring & the fact you get to keep them, it's a MUCH different story.

 

[Sebowski]

Imagine if Cleveland took Bradley Chubb. That would be a D to hang your hat on. Might still be one if you like to hold on to Ds. I'm too impatient for that. 

 

[Sebowski]

Redraft?

If so, it's tough to pay top dollar for a D.

However, in a dynasty league with the right scoring & the fact you get to keep them, it's a MUCH different story.

This is your thread. Dynasty, dude. 

 

[Football Jones]

Imagine if Cleveland took Bradley Chubb. That would be a D to hang your hat on. Might still be one if you like to hold on to Ds. I'm too impatient for that. 

Excellent point, although, it's hard to argue with the corner they took.

The Browns are a great buy.

 

[Sebowski]

I really don't trust the position to be consistent though. Last year I bet you couldn't pry the Vikings D away from their owner, but they just got cut in my league and no one picked them up. 

 

[Football Jones]

I really don't trust the position to be consistent though. Last year I bet you couldn't pry the Vikings D away from their owner, but they just got cut in my league and no one picked them up. 

Dynasty?

If so, I'd jump on them if I had room. 

 

[Football Jones]

This is more about strategy, but having a couple good Ds can be a difference-maker by platooning (maximizing the position), but it's more for leagues with higher D scoring.

 

[FreshiZ]

Someone dropped the Chargers in my league and I snapped them right up to go with Chicago. LAC is off to a slow start but they have 2 great edge rushers and a young secondary.

 

[Football Jones]

Someone dropped the Chargers in my league and I snapped them right up to go with Chicago. LAC is off to a slow start but they have 2 great edge rushers and a young secondary.

Having a good pass rush is key, especially if the secondary can hold up.

Lots of good things can happen for your FF D when you put pressure on the QB.

 

[Nero]

I have two dynasty leagues where the defensive scoring is pretty generous.  We have 24 roster spots with a couple of IR spots and 4 man taxi squads.  I don't view the defenses as long term assets.  I just make it a point to carry two defenses and try to play matchups. In one I started the season with Green Bay and Tennessee and I now have Miami and the Jets.  In the other I started with Philadelphia and the Chargers and now I have Philadelphia and Washington.

 

[jm192]

It's just all over the place.  If you have a good one now, keep it.  Stay on top of it during the off-season.  It's probably fairly easy to buy them in the off-season, especially if you're projecting them upwards.

 

[Deamon]

I don't really play dynasty so I'm not the best to give an opinion on it, but do people actually think long term in terms of defenses in dynasty? 

Is there significantly more people keeping one defense all year vs streaming defenses which is a popular strategy in redraft? 

Do most dynasty leagues have THAT many roster spots where you're going to carry a defense that you plan on only starting in future years rather than using it on a shot in the dark rb/wr/qb?  

With the big uptick in points being scored per season, it seems like defenses are going to have even less of an impact on fantasy.  I would think that it would be more advantageous to be thinking more short term with defenses.  With a player, you're taking a gamble that ONLY HE blooms into a star.  With a future defense you're gambling on how good every other team on their schedule (which isn't even determined) is going to be 2 years down the line. 

Each team also can only roster just barely over 2 defenses, I would rather have 2 that you can use in the current year for matchups and bye weeks, etc.  Again I don't have much experience on this but stashing a Defense on a dynasty roster seems a little tough.
 

 

[Sebowski]

Someone dropped the Chargers in my league and I snapped them right up to go with Chicago. LAC is off to a slow start but they have 2 great edge rushers and a young secondary.

Got dropped in my league also and was really excited about it, but I don't like their week 15 and 16 matchup (Chiefs, Ravens). 

 

[FreshiZ]

I don't really play dynasty so I'm not the best to give an opinion on it, but do people actually think long term in terms of defenses in dynasty? 

Is there significantly more people keeping one defense all year vs streaming defenses which is a popular strategy in redraft? 

Do most dynasty leagues have THAT many roster spots where you're going to carry a defense that you plan on only starting in future years rather than using it on a shot in the dark rb/wr/qb?  

With the big uptick in points being scored per season, it seems like defenses are going to have even less of an impact on fantasy.  I would think that it would be more advantageous to be thinking more short term with defenses.  With a player, you're taking a gamble that ONLY HE blooms into a star.  With a future defense you're gambling on how good every other team on their schedule (which isn't even determined) is going to be 2 years down the line. 

Each team also can only roster just barely over 2 defenses, I would rather have 2 that you can use in the current year for matchups and bye weeks, etc.  Again I don't have much experience on this but stashing a Defense on a dynasty roster seems a little tough.
 

In dynasty, K and D are usually the last thing on my mind. I'll just figure it out when I need to but if you luck into the Seahawks during their prime or something like that, it's definitely worth holding through the byes and offseason. This year I have Chicago and I can easily see them as being my D next year also.

Same in redraft I would think also. I you picked up the Jags off the wire last year, I think by the time their bye came up you would be figuring out how to keep them, right?

 

[Snorkelson]

I look at coaching. Mike Zimmer is a great defensive coach, and the last few years the vikes have been solid. wade Phillips made a difference for the rams and took Houston to a top defense when he was there. So looking at the teams, talent on defense, and the coaches, this leads me to predict Tennessee as the next top 10 defense that can be had for next to nothing. 

 

[Football Jones]

I don't really play dynasty so I'm not the best to give an opinion on it, but do people actually think long term in terms of defenses in dynasty? 

Is there significantly more people keeping one defense all year vs streaming defenses which is a popular strategy in redraft? 

Do most dynasty leagues have THAT many roster spots where you're going to carry a defense that you plan on only starting in future years rather than using it on a shot in the dark rb/wr/qb?  

With the big uptick in points being scored per season, it seems like defenses are going to have even less of an impact on fantasy.  I would think that it would be more advantageous to be thinking more short term with defenses.  With a player, you're taking a gamble that ONLY HE blooms into a star.  With a future defense you're gambling on how good every other team on their schedule (which isn't even determined) is going to be 2 years down the line. 

Each team also can only roster just barely over 2 defenses, I would rather have 2 that you can use in the current year for matchups and bye weeks, etc.  Again I don't have much experience on this but stashing a Defense on a dynasty roster seems a little tough.
 

With offenses starting to go off, you could also say a top D makes it even more important to roster a good one as far as point differential (much like the TE position where there's tier 1 then ####).

BTW, it's harder to stash simply because of the dynamics associated with rostering too many Ds, but I still put a lot of effort into acquiring the right Ds.