Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
How is that qb situation in Denver? Better hope Orton is the guy.
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DYNASTY: Lance Kendricks (3 Viewers)
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Footballguy
I tend to think this landed in the wrong spot.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
In all fairness I did bring Thomas into the thread in the OP.
Happy toIs that PPR or not? Im thinking not based on the low PPG scores. Factoring the recpts back in changes things. What you have uncovered (and thank you for the work BTW )is the impact at a difficult position to learn 1st year, and the lack of TD impact for rookie TE's.
Not PPR, standard FBG scoring. PPR actually might make it worse- those top 25 rookies only averaged 2.55 catches per game. If you toss out last years rookies in the top 12, the lowest catches per game was Dustin Keller with 3.43 (Gronkowski had Hernandez were both lower but they play on the same team so I dont know if that is apples to apples). I would guess rookies actually gain a slightly elevated TD advantage, it would make sense to train them on goalline situations first if it means less touches on the rest of the field. Tight End is a tough position.
Vicktimized
Footballguy
The plusses that Kendricks has in his corner are that he enters a clean slate as far as receiving weapons on the Rams ... it's up for grabs as to what guys are going to be the main options, but we can rest assured the ball will be in the air plenty with McDaniels calling the plays. The other plus is McDaniels and co. made that pick likely because he plans on emulating what Belichick did at TE ... but unlike Hernandez, Kendricks doesn't have a Gronkowski.
You probably don't draft him as your only TE, but he's got considerable upside.
You probably don't draft him as your only TE, but he's got considerable upside.
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Wisconsin has done well breeding tight ends and putting them in the NFL. Results have been mixed. Kendricks should be closer to Owen Daniels success wise, than Garrett Graham. Kendricks has good speed and size, and pretty good hands. I've long been a believer that a guy like Bradford can make a guy good, just because of how accurate he is. St.Louis has a couple of skilled wide receiver's, but none of them have been able to stay too healthy. If Kendricks can stay healthy, he has a good shot to form a good repore with Bradford. He definitely has the ability, and the opportunity, to be a consistent target for Bradford. With the lost training camp, it was good to see him have a great opening game. I think 50 receptions, 600 yards, 5-7 touchdowns is reasonable.
Football Jones
Footballguy
It's hard not to get excited about a prospect having a big game in preseason, but perspective is needed. I wonder how much Kendricks' ADP went up solely due to his big game last week? I bet it was a fair amount.
As previously stated in the Shark Pool, I like Rudolph, Thomas, & Kendricks (as far as this year's rookies) in that order for longterm success with Thomas having the highest upside. He's got an enormous amount of headroom being this is only his 2nd season of playing football since 9th grade.
That said, make no mistake Kendricks has talent, & despite what some people think, I believe he's in a good situation.
As previously stated in the Shark Pool, I like Rudolph, Thomas, & Kendricks (as far as this year's rookies) in that order for longterm success with Thomas having the highest upside. He's got an enormous amount of headroom being this is only his 2nd season of playing football since 9th grade.
That said, make no mistake Kendricks has talent, & despite what some people think, I believe he's in a good situation.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You're kidding, right?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I guess this is the Microwave Society at its finest. This is more of a marathon, not a sprint.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT Pockets.I guess this is the Microwave Society at its finest. This is more of a marathon, not a sprint.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
I didn't watch the game, but I would guess that the team wanted to see how well he can block now that they know he can run routes. Also, was he in the full game this week?
This is what I was getting at. Was he targeted? Did he get hurt? Were they throwing to WR's instead?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
NoA lot of overreaction here.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
The Rams have 12 WR's for 6 spots. They need to target the WR's to narrow the field in order to make informed cut decisions. Kendrick's has very little in terms of competition for his spot. And since TE's have two skill sets to learn, pass catching/route running and blocking, he could be left black to protect the QB and still be developing. Another note, Saffold, the LT got some sort of neck or back stinger in the game and was taken out as a precaution. After they did that they didn't run the ball to the left a single time. All the more reason to leave your pass catching TE in to block.
Why would you think think he's kidding? Can you give us a description of what you saw him do in the game? Was he targeted? Did he get hurt? Did he only play 1 series before giving way to backups? Did he drop a bunch of passes?This is one of the most hyped "value" players in the league. Asking what happened in the game and if 1 catch is anything to worry about it exactly the kind of questions that I want to see in the shark pool.Can you give us a breakdown of what you saw regarding Kendricks?J
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I took the question to mean he is expecting a great game every week and to see 1 reception for 9 yards was unacceptable given the hype. My response now, if not before, is that preseason is a time to evaluate many things and maybe Kendricks wasn't part of that evaluation this week. The Microwave comment is indicative of today's mentality, "what have you done for me lately?". You know, the instant gratification effect. Maybe I jumped the gun on my interpretation of the question and came across as too sensitive. Then again, maybe my interpretation wasn't wrong. Maybe a better question would have been, "I saw that Kendricks didn't do a lot the other night, did he drop passes? or did he not play much? or did they not involve him in the game plan?" Instead of "what happened?".
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doowain
Footballguy
Affirmative. But, unfortunately, par for the course.I was also wondering "what happened?". I could've guessed why, but it's certainly not the given you make it out to be.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
It is certainly no big deal, but it is the poster's responsibility to say what he means, not the readers' responsibility to infer meaning.
IMO, of course.
IMO, of course.
Spike
Footballguy
This is just plain incorrect. Watson was never a good receiver for the Pats. He had stone hands.He was/is a physical specimen; intelligent; articulate. Not a good receiving TE.Very god point about McDaniels during the Moss/Welker years. Remember he was the OC in pre-Moss/Welker years when Watson was one of the better receivers on the roster and McD did not utilize him. Then as HC McD shipped out Scheffler, his best receiving TE. This is the part of McDaniels history that is hard for me to ignore.I have been impressed by what I have seen from Kendricks highlights, and I am on board with your expectations. But I will not be driving the bus.
Thanks!
I agree I could have framed my question a little better. Sorry for the controversy.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
We've seen what he can do in the passing game and so has the Rams, my guess from reading some info in other articles is that they were trying to see how he does with other assignments. This article comes to mind:
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No, "what happened?" is exactly what a ton of people were wondering. The shark pool at it's best is a place where posters can shed light with an answer to questions like this. Or it can be like this. Let's try to make it more like the place that sheds light with answers. TIA.J
bulger2holt
Footballguy
The Rams found out in week 1 what they have in Kendricks. They needed to find out in week 2 what they have at WR. Kendricks didn't need the work, the WR's did. Josh is experimenting.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And expect more of the same in week 3. The WR core is still a complete mess. Nobody is stepping up to be the man. DX looked great in week 1, and meh in week 2. Avery didn't play in week 1 and catches a nice TD in week 2. Gibson looked mediocre in week 1, and gets an 83 yard TD on the first play of the game, but doesn't catch another ball (in fact, dropped a very catchable ball). 83 yards sounds impressive on one catch, but it was blown coverage. I could've gotten open on that play. It's a total mess. There isn't anyone else on the roster to catch balls at TE who's healthy. Mike Hallouwmemsiit is injured. The decision is made on Kendrick's. He's starting week 1 against the Iggles.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
Watched the game last night, and paid particular attention to Kendricks. Loved what I saw week 1, and am thinking of him as part of my "wait forever on TE" strategy, so I wanted to see what was up with his 1 catch performance.
He was in on virtually every snap, which is great to see if you're thinking about making him a member of your fantasy team. Didn't seem to be a situation passing or blocking TE, #88 was anchored at the end of the line every time. They ran a ton of play action in this one, likely to give the WRs some opportunities to make some plays and separate themselves from the pack, and he was blocking on almost all of these Play action passes. When he did run a passing route, it was almost always a clear out straight up the field. Again, I think as some have hypothesized in this thread, it looks like this was the Rams trying to really get the WRs the work in this one. His one grab (and target, I believe) came on (I believe) short 3rd down where he ran a simple little option route in the middle of the field. Dude looks fast, big, and dominant.
Don't let this 1 catch performance scare you away, Kendricks looks like a guy who is in the Rams good graces, and will be on the field a LOT. I have to imagine you can take this guy in the last round of most of your drafts if you so choose. The Rams play a murderer's row to open the season, which should have them trailing quite a bit. This could mean a lot of underneath catches for Kendricks, so use a late pick on him so you don't have to get in a bidding or waiver war for him in the first week or 2 of the season.
He was in on virtually every snap, which is great to see if you're thinking about making him a member of your fantasy team. Didn't seem to be a situation passing or blocking TE, #88 was anchored at the end of the line every time. They ran a ton of play action in this one, likely to give the WRs some opportunities to make some plays and separate themselves from the pack, and he was blocking on almost all of these Play action passes. When he did run a passing route, it was almost always a clear out straight up the field. Again, I think as some have hypothesized in this thread, it looks like this was the Rams trying to really get the WRs the work in this one. His one grab (and target, I believe) came on (I believe) short 3rd down where he ran a simple little option route in the middle of the field. Dude looks fast, big, and dominant.
Don't let this 1 catch performance scare you away, Kendricks looks like a guy who is in the Rams good graces, and will be on the field a LOT. I have to imagine you can take this guy in the last round of most of your drafts if you so choose. The Rams play a murderer's row to open the season, which should have them trailing quite a bit. This could mean a lot of underneath catches for Kendricks, so use a late pick on him so you don't have to get in a bidding or waiver war for him in the first week or 2 of the season.
I guess a person can also look at it that maybe week 2 was the norm and week 1 they were testing him out. Guess we will know more the next couple of games...
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I guess a person can also look at it that maybe week 1 was to see how he'd perform in the passing game as a receiving TE and week 2 to see how he'd perform in the running game as a blocking TE. From all indications that's why they drafted him and they are now testing him in those areas. Which is great because he can stay in the game no matter what the situation especially considering that fact that it won't tip-off opposing defenses. Win-win for Kendrick owners!!!!
LawFitz
Footballguy
Who else besides me is going to put this guy into their starting line up come week 1? I love everything I'm hearing and he definitely passed my eye test during the first preseason game. I'm particularly enthused by his blocking prowess. That factor will keep him on the field more, which hopefully will lead to more fantasy opps.
Bradford is starving for reliable receiving options. This kid has about as good as a situation as I can remember for a rookie TE.
Bradford is starving for reliable receiving options. This kid has about as good as a situation as I can remember for a rookie TE.
Most the leagues im in are either two TE or a WR/RB/TE flex, made sure to grab kendricks as my 3rd TE in almost all of them. Think it will pay huge dividends later in the season.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
3/73/1 - Looks like he has plenty of upside
Kendricks has just as much or more talent than those two.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Man, I hate hype trains because I'm usually not influenced by them but end up reading them anyway. Then later in the year I always remember the "trains" that were correct and kick myself for not grabbing said player (I never remember the ones that were wrong, for some reason).
So damnit, I'm buying into this one. With 2 threads hyping him on the front page - for a TE - that's enough for me. I'll cave. Picking him up next waiver wire.
*Edit* Just realized this isn't the official "Hype Train" thread. Meant to post this in the other one.
So damnit, I'm buying into this one. With 2 threads hyping him on the front page - for a TE - that's enough for me. I'll cave. Picking him up next waiver wire.
*Edit* Just realized this isn't the official "Hype Train" thread. Meant to post this in the other one.
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To be fair, Hoss started this thread almost a month ago. So as far as I'm concerned, this IS the *official* hype train thread.Picked him up in our rookie draft at 3.01. I'm on board!!
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Thanks, but I just don't call them "Hype Train Threads".
SSOG
Moderator
Regarding this thread's subtitle, why is Kendricks and Thomas an either/or proposition? I grabbed them both in my dynasty league.
I drafted Kendricks first, although that was largely a function of the fact that I knew Thomas was more off the radar (and therefore more likely to fall to my next pick). If both guys were equally well-known, I'd have had a much harder decision on my hands. I want to say that I ultimately would have gone with Kendricks in that situation, but to be honest, I keep waffling back and forth.
I drafted Kendricks first, although that was largely a function of the fact that I knew Thomas was more off the radar (and therefore more likely to fall to my next pick). If both guys were equally well-known, I'd have had a much harder decision on my hands. I want to say that I ultimately would have gone with Kendricks in that situation, but to be honest, I keep waffling back and forth.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Isn't this the same microwave mentality that you just decried? This is as insignificant as the 1 for 9 game. Plus the 44 yard td was an absolutely blown coverage by a guy who prolly is no longer on the rams roster after this weekend.I know everyone is chomping at the bit, but relax. The season'll be here soon enough.3/73/1 - Looks like he has plenty of upside
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
agreed. But at least in here there is reasonable discussion of skill and performace. That hype thread is much more about groupthink and comedy.
ready5
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Nice breakdown.Someone needs to get that guy a thesaurus for 'extremely' and 'interesting.'
mr roboto
Footballguy
He had a stroke on his keyboard.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Humnanamanui(?sp) injured his calf in either camp or preseason, he should be out till at least first week of the season.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm sweating Kendricks kool-aid from my pours at this point. Not only did I acquire him in all my leagues, I'm pretty sure I'm starting him in all of them. Starting to feel a lot like Kevan Barlow here - I'll know I'm sunk when I see Garrison Hearst return from retirement in a Rams uni.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Kendricks will exploit the Eagles' mediocre LB'ers.
Kendricks = 8 rec / 125 yds / 1 TD
Rams 24
Eagles 21
Kendricks = 8 rec / 125 yds / 1 TD
Rams 24
Eagles 21
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Now that's funny, I bought into both also. I hope Kendricks is the real deal.
flooredyas
Footballguy
I am starting him over Winslow in 1 league, but not over Gates in another. Behind Gates I have Winslow also and hope to play Kendricks as my #2 as needed. Winslow, while solid, to me is behind Lance currently but great insurance for Gates feet.
