[DYNASTY] Matt Forte (2 Viewers)

[Instinctive]

With a 3.9 average he can't really be that good. I mean he had John St. Clair ahead of him and Rashied Davis keeping defenses honest and he put up a 3.9? Terrible. Walter Payton never put up 3.9. He put up 3.5 as a rookie, but not 3.9.Ladainian Tomlinson didn't run for 3.9 as a rookie either. He did in 2004, but as a rookie he put up 3.6. Of course he was on a team with a terrible line and not much of a passing game. Really I think it was just the 398 touches he got that year that allowed him to put up any numbers.

LT was a top 5 pick with ideal combine numbers.Forte was a second round pick with mediocre combine numbers.

What people are missing is that Benson, reportedly a BUST, did just as well as Forte did. Benson just had fewer carries.I don't just look at Forte's YPC, when watching him, he just looked like he didn't know where to run half the time, and he's SLOW.

Switz, benson didn't do as well as Forte....the stats provide that.Forte didn't know where to run and he's slow. Not everyone has Chris Johnson speed.Combine numbers: Forte ran a 4.46Slaton ran a 4.49Mendenhall 4.45Felix 4.52Stewart 4.48Mcfadden 4.33Johnson 4.24He seems just as fast as the others outside of McFadden and Johnson.He also did fine last year....outrunning Bob Sanders in that opening game and I remember another big run vs the Vikings he outran soem defenders to the corner.

But he isn't as shifty as Slaton, and his vision isn't as good.He doesn't have burst, like Felix.He's mot as powerful as Mendenhall or Stewart, and Mendy has more burst too.So even with equal speed, the only reason he's useful is opportunity. Just like Rudi Johnson. Again, good fantasy, not that good real life. Just doesnt have the elite talent.

 

[tdmills]

With a 3.9 average he can't really be that good. I mean he had John St. Clair ahead of him and Rashied Davis keeping defenses honest and he put up a 3.9? Terrible. Walter Payton never put up 3.9. He put up 3.5 as a rookie, but not 3.9.Ladainian Tomlinson didn't run for 3.9 as a rookie either. He did in 2004, but as a rookie he put up 3.6. Of course he was on a team with a terrible line and not much of a passing game. Really I think it was just the 398 touches he got that year that allowed him to put up any numbers.

LT was a top 5 pick with ideal combine numbers.Forte was a second round pick with mediocre combine numbers.

What people are missing is that Benson, reportedly a BUST, did just as well as Forte did. Benson just had fewer carries.I don't just look at Forte's YPC, when watching him, he just looked like he didn't know where to run half the time, and he's SLOW.

Switz, benson didn't do as well as Forte....the stats provide that.Forte didn't know where to run and he's slow. Not everyone has Chris Johnson speed.Combine numbers: Forte ran a 4.46Slaton ran a 4.49Mendenhall 4.45Felix 4.52Stewart 4.48Mcfadden 4.33Johnson 4.24He seems just as fast as the others outside of McFadden and Johnson.He also did fine last year....outrunning Bob Sanders in that opening game and I remember another big run vs the Vikings he outran soem defenders to the corner.

But he isn't as shifty as Slaton, and his vision isn't as good.He doesn't have burst, like Felix.He's mot as powerful as Mendenhall or Stewart, and Mendy has more burst too.So even with equal speed, the only reason he's useful is opportunity. Just like Rudi Johnson. Again, good fantasy, not that good real life. Just doesnt have the elite talent.

You can knock any of these backs.Slaton is small(full load long term?) and was injured in college.Felix is small(full load long term?) and injured his rookie year.Mendy has fumbling problems and injured his rookie year.Stewart isn't shifty and has been hurt for some of his college and pro career(currently).Then you have to account for a situation. Everyone knows that Forte was THE Bears offense last season....so he was keyed on more by defenses. But that was also b/c of his supporting cast.Forte- Orton, bad Oline, hester, OlsenSlaton-Schaub/Sage, Daniels, better oline, Andre Johnson/WalterFelix-Romo, good run blocking line, Witten, TOMendy- Big Ben, Miller, Ward/Holmes, average oline(have been losing players faneca)Stewart- Delhomme, great run blocking oline, steve smith/moose.Looking at the rookie RB's that you pointed out situations....name another as bad as forte....where they would concentrate on just that back to shut him down...Please explain to me vision....how do YOU know if a back has good vision? IMO, it is hard to determine the difference between vision, acceleration, and patience through a hole. I believe they all coincide with each other at the precise moment. What makes good vision vs a missed block.....or a defender overplaying backside or underplaying....and the back timing it out right and accelerating before or just after the defender is at a hole. I think it is very hard to determine.....especially because most of us are only seeing the sideline view during a game. If we had game film and watched from the end zone view and disected each play....then I could give you this point.Hope this doesn't come across wrong....just trying to detail this further.

 

[Instinctive]

Every single one of the knocks you came up with was unrelated to actual talent.

Vision: I wouldn't say that I KNOW, I would just say that I have watched a helluva lto of football and Forte just doesn't seem to have it. He doesn't make many guys miss. Which may or may not be vision, maybe he has the vision and just lacks even more physically than I say.

So maybe visions isn't the correct term, maybe it is. Maybe he just lacks more power and elusiveness than my original thoughts were, and thats why he rarely dodges or breaks a tackle.

 

[tdmills]

Every single one of the knocks you came up with was unrelated to actual talent.Vision: I wouldn't say that I KNOW, I would just say that I have watched a helluva lto of football and Forte just doesn't seem to have it. He doesn't make many guys miss. Which may or may not be vision, maybe he has the vision and just lacks even more physically than I say. So maybe visions isn't the correct term, maybe it is. Maybe he just lacks more power and elusiveness than my original thoughts were, and thats why he rarely dodges or breaks a tackle.

I guess I am confused as to what was the arguement here?You are on elite talent....define elite then (AD, Fitz, Calvin?)I thought it was his FF future and how he compares to the other rookies in his class.Injuries is a huge factor....considering all the others had significant missed time or surgery.Slaton-surgery his last year of collegeStewart-Still hurtFelix-missed most of last yearMendy-missed most of last yearInjuries are a part of the game, especially at RB....but with a guy that had that many touches last year to be relatively healthy is a huge bonus....to showing his future FF potential, add in that he doesn't drink alcohol as well.Elite talent vs Rudi Johnson....seems to be your arguement.....right???I see Forte as a Curtis Martin type of player. Very effective, patient smart player.....who is a slasher....rather than a speed(CJ3) or power(Stewart)

 

[massraider]

But he isn't as shifty as Slaton, and his vision isn't as good.He doesn't have burst, like Felix.He's mot as powerful as Mendenhall or Stewart, and Mendy has more burst too.So even with equal speed, the only reason he's useful is opportunity. Just like Rudi Johnson. Again, good fantasy, not that good real life. Just doesnt have the elite talent.

I've heard his vision knocked before, and I think it's wrong. His vision and run instincts are exceptional, IMO. It's one of those things that really can't be quantified, however. Mendenhall is more powerful, and has more burst? Where, XBox? Because I haven't seen anything from this guy in the NFL.The fact that people are still going back to combine numbers is a bit silly to me.

 

[massraider]

Vision: I wouldn't say that I KNOW, I would just say that I have watched a helluva lto of football and Forte just doesn't seem to have it. He doesn't make many guys miss. Which may or may not be vision, maybe he has the vision and just lacks even more physically than I say.

Or maybe vision doesn't mean what you think it means. For watching a lot of football, it seems like you could sure use a glossary.

 

[two_dollars]

I didn't read the whole thread. I went through this the last time EBF posted his personal vendetta against Forte.

I only came here to say one thing:

I'm a Bears fan, I'm thrilled with Forte, and I'm going to sit back and chuckle to myself that this thread even exists every time he scores a TD this season, because switz and EBF are 2 of the most clueless people on this board.

Especially when EBF completely ignores my post at #253

 

[Instinctive]

Vision: I wouldn't say that I KNOW, I would just say that I have watched a helluva lto of football and Forte just doesn't seem to have it. He doesn't make many guys miss. Which may or may not be vision, maybe he has the vision and just lacks even more physically than I say.

Or maybe vision doesn't mean what you think it means. For watching a lot of football, it seems like you could sure use a glossary.

Vision is being able to see where defenders are coming from, which holes can close up quickly, and which lanes will be best after you hit your hole.What I am saying is, either he has not so good vision, or his physical skills ar ebelow what they appear to be. I think since the physical skills have been tested, the best bet would be thta his vision is below average.either way, he isn't an elite talent. He's a mediocre talent in a situation with massive amounts of opportunity.

 

[tdmills]

Vision: I wouldn't say that I KNOW, I would just say that I have watched a helluva lto of football and Forte just doesn't seem to have it. He doesn't make many guys miss. Which may or may not be vision, maybe he has the vision and just lacks even more physically than I say.

Or maybe vision doesn't mean what you think it means. For watching a lot of football, it seems like you could sure use a glossary.

Vision is being able to see where defenders are coming from, which holes can close up quickly, and which lanes will be best after you hit your hole.What I am saying is, either he has not so good vision, or his physical skills ar ebelow what they appear to be. I think since the physical skills have been tested, the best bet would be thta his vision is below average.either way, he isn't an elite talent. He's a mediocre talent in a situation with massive amounts of opportunity.

I'm having a hard time figuring out how YOU can figure all this out, with a sideline angle camera.How do you know on a bad run if:a) the defender just made a great play beating the offensive linemanb) the Offense had an MA(missed assignment) leading to the the RB stuffedc) the RB had bad visionorHow do you know on a good run if:a) the offensive line blocked well, they made combo blocks up to the linebackersb) the Defense had an MA(missed assignment) and they had an unaccounted for gapc) the RB had good vision

 

[massraider]

What I am saying is, either he has not so good vision, or his physical skills ar ebelow what they appear to be.

Those aren't the only options.

 

[LBH]

Forte reminds me of Curtis Martin a little in that he seems well rounded as a RB. Nothing jumps out at you, hes just really solid in all areas

 

[Instinctive]

What I am saying is, either he has not so good vision, or his physical skills ar ebelow what they appear to be.

Those aren't the only options.

I didn't say they were. I just said that when you watch him (and i have family in Chicago so we see 3-4 Bears games every year) he eithe rhas the skills and his vision isn't very good, or he has the vision but can't execute it. I bet if we went and looked ta tape now, and studied it, we could tell. But all I have is TV and those games I saw.

 

[Eminence]

Forte reminds me of Curtis Martin a little in that he seems well rounded as a RB. Nothing jumps out at you, hes just really solid in all areas

Agreed. He's not real exceptional anywhere. But he's also not lacking anywhere. Give him the ball and he'll give you marginal return.

 

[tdmills]

What I am saying is, either he has not so good vision, or his physical skills ar ebelow what they appear to be.

Those aren't the only options.

I didn't say they were. I just said that when you watch him (and i have family in Chicago so we see 3-4 Bears games every year) he eithe rhas the skills and his vision isn't very good, or he has the vision but can't execute it. I bet if we went and looked ta tape now, and studied it, we could tell. But all I have is TV and those games I saw.

I wish you could respond to my previous two posts.

 

[massraider]

What I am saying is, either he has not so good vision, or his physical skills ar ebelow what they appear to be.

Those aren't the only options.

I didn't say they were. I just said that when you watch him (and i have family in Chicago so we see 3-4 Bears games every year) he eithe rhas the skills and his vision isn't very good, or he has the vision but can't execute it. I bet if we went and looked ta tape now, and studied it, we could tell. But all I have is TV and those games I saw.

Yeah, I was referring to the fact that running backs have other factors that affect their game. You repeating exactly what you said before doesn't make it more true.I personally wonder about an offensive line, one that the team felt OK about changing both OTs in the offseason, and passing game that couldn't keep the defense honest.

 

[kremenull]

I guess Marcus Allen sure was a waste of a fantasy player and not much of an NFL player since he didn't break off many long runs and such, and wasn't quite as explosive as other guys in the league. Sound familiar?

With this similar logic that's being applied to Forte, and yes, he is virtually a Marcus Allen clone, do you guys realize how silly you sound and how far off the mark you doubters are?

Forte is a legit star in the NFL, as some guys simply are tremendous football players, period. Not everyone needs a stunning stopwatch time or super agility to be ultra successful in the NFL. If you know anything about Marcus Allen, he understood the game of football and knew how to find the creases in tight quarters to take advantage of what defenses gave him, and exhibited super hands, vision, excellent cutback ability, and blocking. It's called being a complete player. And from what I've seen of Forte, he is just that, a complete football player. And you guys simply keep underestimating his skills.....he'll be the man in Chi-town for quite a while, to the dismay of the doubters. Football players keep jobs, and know how to outplay the so-called 'elite' talents who don't know how to play football. Now if the second coming of Bo Jackson comes along in Chicago like he did in Oakland to Marcus Allen, but this is highly doubtful, that is when I would get a bit worried.

 

[switz]

Forte didn't know where to run and he's slow. Not everyone has Chris Johnson speed.

Combine numbers:

Forte ran a 4.46

Slaton ran a 4.49

Mendenhall 4.45

Felix 4.52

Stewart 4.48

Mcfadden 4.33

Johnson 4.24

He seems just as fast as the others outside of McFadden and Johnson.

Football speed and track speed are entirely different. No one would ever pick Forte as faster than Jones, yet his "combine numbers" would imply he is.Benson averaged 4.1 in '05 and '06. He averaged 3.4 in '07, when the team pretty much publicly said they refused to block for him. I don't think his '07 season is anything to base a comparison on.

 

[tdmills]

Forte didn't know where to run and he's slow. Not everyone has Chris Johnson speed.

Combine numbers:

Forte ran a 4.46

Slaton ran a 4.49

Mendenhall 4.45

Felix 4.52

Stewart 4.48

Mcfadden 4.33

Johnson 4.24

He seems just as fast as the others outside of McFadden and Johnson.

Football speed and track speed are entirely different. No one would ever pick Forte as faster than Jones, yet his "combine numbers" would imply he is.Benson averaged 4.1 in '05 and '06. He averaged 3.4 in '07, when the team pretty much publicly said they refused to block for him. I don't think his '07 season is anything to base a comparison on.

Never said that football speed and track speed aren't different. But that is ALL we can base on as fact that Forte is reportedly "slow".What does Benson have anything to do with this discussion? He never had a season like Forte's last year.

 

[jurb26]

I think many of the Forte critics are missing the boat. I was very uncertain of Forte when he came out of college last year but I was impressed with him every time I saw him last year. His best attributes IMO are his vision and his feet. Forte has got great feet.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Forte didn't know where to run and he's slow. Not everyone has Chris Johnson speed.

Combine numbers:

Forte ran a 4.46

Slaton ran a 4.49

Mendenhall 4.45

Felix 4.52

Stewart 4.48

Mcfadden 4.33

Johnson 4.24

He seems just as fast as the others outside of McFadden and Johnson.

Football speed and track speed are entirely different. No one would ever pick Forte as faster than Jones, yet his "combine numbers" would imply he is.Benson averaged 4.1 in '05 and '06. He averaged 3.4 in '07, when the team pretty much publicly said they refused to block for him. I don't think his '07 season is anything to base a comparison on.

So are you going to just ignore or excuse all facts that go against your argument?You keep refering to Fortes YPC as why he is not a talented player. As a rookie, the guy was a workhorse, running against 8 man fronts, behind a below average offensive line and a group of QBs/WRs that were amongst the worst in the league..

Nobody said Forte was a speedster, but he has plenty of speed to be a quality NFL RB.

Also, where are people getting this myth about his lack of vision? I thought his vision is one of his many good attributes. Sure, he doesnt do anything great, but he is clearly very good at almost everything he does. Which is of course why alot of people on this board probably dont like him. He doesnt run over people like Jacobs, or outrun people like CJ, or lacks the jiggle of Westbrook.

My favorite argument against him is the fact that he had alot of touches. I would love to see a list of all the RB's in the last 30-40 years who had close to or more than the touches he had last season. I bet the ratio of great players to bad players would lean towards the good/great side.

Im not suggesting the guy is on a sure path to the HOF, but he is clearly a player, and should have a very good career. I like the fact that there are guys on here and other FF'ers who "lack vision" on what makes a good football player. Here is a free tip for you Forte critics though, you dont need to be a first round pick or have a 32 BMI and run a 4.3 forty with Barry Sanders like moves to be a great football player.

 

[Football Jones]

I think many of the Forte critics are missing the boat. I was very uncertain of Forte when he came out of college last year but I was impressed with him every time I saw him last year. His best attributes IMO are his vision and his feet. Forte has got great feet.

Yep. Fantastic feet. He's got the rare attribute of extremely loose hips, as well (which allows him to make sharper cuts at a higher rate of speed). Good vision, already one of the best receiving backs in the NFL, above-average blocker, nice burst (especially for a taller RB). This kid is quite simply one helluva player.

 

[Football Jones]

BTW, if what you want is a higher YPC, it's coming. It's amazing what Forte did last season considering his supporting cast.

 

[DrJ]

Forte didn't know where to run and he's slow. Not everyone has Chris Johnson speed.

Combine numbers:

Forte ran a 4.46

Slaton ran a 4.49

Mendenhall 4.45

Felix 4.52

Stewart 4.48

Mcfadden 4.33

Johnson 4.24

He seems just as fast as the others outside of McFadden and Johnson.

Football speed and track speed are entirely different. No one would ever pick Forte as faster than Jones, yet his "combine numbers" would imply he is.Benson averaged 4.1 in '05 and '06. He averaged 3.4 in '07, when the team pretty much publicly said they refused to block for him. I don't think his '07 season is anything to base a comparison on.

Benson averaged 4.1 YPC in a reserve role behind a far better OL. In his only year as a starter, he average 3.4 YPC and looked like garbage. He averaged 3.5 for the Bengals last year in what was mostly a starting role. And he still doesn't even have as many catches in his career as Forte has last season alone. Comparing Forte to that is just silly.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I guess Marcus Allen sure was a waste of a fantasy player and not much of an NFL player since he didn't break off many long runs and such, and wasn't quite as explosive as other guys in the league. Sound familiar?With this similar logic that's being applied to Forte, and yes, he is virtually a Marcus Allen clone, do you guys realize how silly you sound and how far off the mark you doubters are?Forte is a legit star in the NFL, as some guys simply are tremendous football players, period. Not everyone needs a stunning stopwatch time or super agility to be ultra successful in the NFL. If you know anything about Marcus Allen, he understood the game of football and knew how to find the creases in tight quarters to take advantage of what defenses gave him, and exhibited super hands, vision, excellent cutback ability, and blocking. It's called being a complete player. And from what I've seen of Forte, he is just that, a complete football player. And you guys simply keep underestimating his skills.....he'll be the man in Chi-town for quite a while, to the dismay of the doubters. Football players keep jobs, and know how to outplay the so-called 'elite' talents who don't know how to play football. Now if the second coming of Bo Jackson comes along in Chicago like he did in Oakland to Marcus Allen, but this is highly doubtful, that is when I would get a bit worried.

I was on EBF's side on this one earlier in the offseason, for the reasons he's stated. Just because a player posts a great fantasy season as a rookie that doesn't mean he's a great player. I've pretty much done a 180 since then. I think Forte is very talented, and I like the Curtis Martin/Marcus Allen comparison. He's also been compared to Brian Westbrook by ESPN.com's K.C. Joyner and Emmitt Smith by Football Outsiders. He's just a fine all-around football player with excellent skills, above average talent, a fantastic work ethic, and a high football IQ. He might not be quite as talented as the elite backs in the league, but the total package belongs up there in tier one.

 

[DrJ]

Alright. I'm convinced. Bad OLine, after watchign some tape where I could pause and zoom.I am a convert! And will now go and try to trade for Forte while his owners are still potentially where I was a day ago.

I don't think the OL was great, but some of it was that D's were running 8 in the box all season long because Kyle Orton was incapable of scaring anyone beyond 15 yards.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Matt Forte will be a top 10 pick in almost every dynasty draft this offseason. If you're the guy who drafts him that high, you deserve to have your fantasy football license suspended. Here's why...

In 16 starts last season, Forte only averaged 4.0 YPC or higher 6 times. He finished the season with a very mediocre 3.9 YPC average. That's worse than the 4.1 YPC Thomas Jones averaged in Chicago and it's only slightly better than the 3.8 YPC Cedric Benson compiled under the same regime. Yet while Jones was widely considered mediocre and Benson an outright disaster, Forte is currently valued alongside some of the best backs in the league. Why?

Because people are confusing fantasy football success with NFL success. Matt Forte had a great FF season in 2008. He was one of the top scoring backs in almost every league. Yet when you take a closer look at the numbers, there's no evidence to suggest that he was an effective NFL player. He had a mediocre YPC average, was bottled up more often than not, and showed no flair for making spectacular plays (only two plays of 30+ yards out of 379 touches).

The only reason Forte's stats look impressive is because he had the second most touches out of any back in the league. When you look at the yards-per-touch, he doesn't stand out. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. The Bears were a pitiful team last season. Their leading receiver had 665 yards. With no semblance of a passing game, they had no choice but to feed the ball to Forte and hope to keep the score low.

Forte was lucky to get that many touches and he was lucky to score as many TDs as he did. Thomas Jones averaged 7 TDs in three seasons as Chicago's starter. He never had more than 9 in a season. Forte had 12 last year. You can attribute that to his talent if you'd like, but he wasn't breaking long plays or hitting home runs.

Right about now the Forte defenders are probably itching their keyboards...

"Yea, his YPC was low, but he scored a ton of FF points!" That's fine, but his NFL performance was mediocre and mediocre NFL players have a tendency to lose their jobs. 3.9 YPC is lousy. Sure, LaDainian Tomlinson didn't do any better as a rookie, but there were objective reasons to believe that he was a special talent: he had a top 5 pedigree and ideal combine numbers. Forte doesn't have those things working in his favor. He's a second round talent with mediocre measurables.

"Yea, I know his stats look average on paper and I know he wasn't a first round pick, but you have to watch the games!" I watched the games. Forte looked okay. Then again, so did Tashard Choice and I'm not taking him in the top 10 of my dynasty draft. If I draft a player that high, I have to know that he's a special talent. Matt Forte might eventually reach that level, but as of right now there's no objective reason to believe that he's an elite NFL player. If you take him at his ADP in a dynasty league, you might be wearing one of these next season: :X

 

[EBF]

Forte already in midseason form:

25 carries, 55 rushing yards, 2.2 YPC

 

[Multiple Scores]

BTW, if what you want is a higher YPC, it's coming. It's amazing what Forte did last season considering his supporting cast.

When?

 

[Neo]

Forte already in midseason form:25 carries, 55 rushing yards, 2.2 YPC

I have to say, I was real disappointed watching him last night. Again no holes...and now no receptions?

 

[stevegamer]

Forte already in midseason form:

25 carries, 55 rushing yards, 2.2 YPC

I have to say, I was real disappointed watching him last night. Again no holes...and now no receptions?

That's on Cutler. Forte was open, but he doesn't look for the backs. Only target I think was on the pick by Jolly.

 

[Chubbs]

Forte already in midseason form:

25 carries, 55 rushing yards, 2.2 YPC

I have to say, I was real disappointed watching him last night. Again no holes...and now no receptions?

That's on Cutler. Forte was open, but he doesn't look for the backs. Only target I think was on the pick by Jolly.

Completely agree, Cutler wants to be a gunslinger, but I do not think the weapons are there to be a "Slinger".Cutler didn't really target Forte, and he didn't use Greg Olsen. It also look like he was forcing the ball to his boy, Earl Bennett.

Its only ONE game, but if your a Forte owner, you are not a fan of Cutler today.

 

[thehornet]

Forte already in midseason form:

25 carries, 55 rushing yards, 2.2 YPC

I have to say, I was real disappointed watching him last night. Again no holes...and now no receptions?

That's on Cutler. Forte was open, but he doesn't look for the backs. Only target I think was on the pick by Jolly.

Completely agree, Cutler wants to be a gunslinger, but I do not think the weapons are there to be a "Slinger".Cutler didn't really target Forte, and he didn't use Greg Olsen. It also look like he was forcing the ball to his boy, Earl Bennett.

Its only ONE game, but if your a Forte owner, you are not a fan of Cutler today.

Getting mad at Cutler for not being a checkdown busted QB.

 

[corpcow]

Not saying I told you so, but... I told you so.

 

[CentralPA]

Forte already in midseason form:25 carries, 55 rushing yards, 2.2 YPC

and it was only one game.

 

[EBF]

Forte!

13 carries, 29 yards, 2.2 YPC

5 catches for 33 yards

Another dismal performance obscured by cheap dump offs.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Forte sucks.

/End Thread

 

[tdmills]

Forte sucks./End Thread

Against one of....if not the best run D in the league yes.Forte performed better than your profile pic.....go Crab.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Forte sucks./End Thread

Against one of....if not the best run D in the league yes.Forte performed better than your profile pic.....go Crab.

vs. PackersBenson 29/141/4.9avgForte 25/55/2.2avgvs. SteelersCJ3 15/57/3.8avgForte 13/29/2.2avgExplain why this is?

 

[Football Jones]

This isn't rocket science. It's actually pretty simple. One of the biggest mistakes people make in FF is not letting things play out. There are very few RBs who have the kind of talent & get the amount of touches Forte does (& the number is dwindling as I type, LOL). This is the perfect time to acquire him if an owner is getting cold feet, or better yet, panicking.

This reminds me exactly of those who were saying just last week how Chris Johnson was an average (or worse) RB. You do what you have to do in redrafts to survive (since it's only 1 year), but Forte is money in dynasty leagues. Patience, grasshopper.

 

[EBF]

Except Forte and Johnson aren't similar in any way.

Johnson has a career YPC average of 5.3.

Forte has a career YPC average of 3.7.

IMO one of these players looks like an elite talent and the other doesn't.

 

[Cecil_Pooples]

but Forte is money in dynasty leagues.

Why is this? Were a young Laurence Maroney, Joe Addai, Julius Jones, Kevin Jones $$ too [just to name a few]? Perhaps they were.....for a very limited time. When I think of $$ RB's, I think of RB's with off the chart physical abilities. Matt Forte isn't one of them.

 

[tdmills]

Forte sucks./End Thread

Against one of....if not the best run D in the league yes.Forte performed better than your profile pic.....go Crab.

vs. PackersBenson 29/141/4.9avgForte 25/55/2.2avgvs. SteelersCJ3 15/57/3.8avgForte 13/29/2.2avgExplain why this is?

First off, Forte hasn't performed well no. I agree to that.But the Packers definitely keyed on him the entire first game(Despite Cutlers poor performance and limiting possessions...he still passed for 277). They keyed on the passing game vs cincy.Really that big of a difference between CJ3 and Forte....not really. Its a good run D.

 

[switz]

This isn't rocket science. It's actually pretty simple. One of the biggest mistakes people make in FF is not letting things play out. There are very few RBs who have the kind of talent & get the amount of touches Forte does (& the number is dwindling as I type, LOL).

Exactly... most RBs with Forte's talent get far FEWER touches, because they are backups or third down RBs.

 

[corpcow]

This isn't rocket science. It's actually pretty simple. One of the biggest mistakes people make in FF is not letting things play out. There are very few RBs who have the kind of talent & get the amount of touches Forte does (& the number is dwindling as I type, LOL).

Exactly... most RBs with Forte's talent get far FEWER touches, because they are backups or third down RBs.

 

[Biabreakable]

Lets not over react or anything.

Week 1 performance against the Packers new scheme that blitzed a ton and I don't think the Bears blocking was ready for it.

Week 2 against the Steelers. A lot of RB look like garbage against thier defense.

Both 3-4 defenses.

Cutler trade and Bears Line not getting it done early on in the season is brewing a perfect storm opposite of the favorable one Forte had last season.

So like a bunch of amateurs tell us how you told us so in week 2.

 

[corpcow]

Lets not over react or anything. Week 1 performance against the Packers new scheme that blitzed a ton and I don't think the Bears blocking was ready for it.Week 2 against the Steelers. A lot of RB look like garbage against thier defense.Both 3-4 defenses.Cutler trade and Bears Line not getting it done early on in the season is brewing a perfect storm opposite of the favorable one Forte had last season.So like a bunch of amateurs tell us how you told us so in week 2.

You're right - overreacting is bad. But, what I think most of us have been saying is that Forte is average, not terrible and not special. Last year, opportunity created great fantasy production, but those of us doubted him said, well, it's hard to see that kind of perfect storm of opportunity holding up. I am SURE that Forte will bounce back and have a, say, top 15 year at worst... but we're talking about a guy who some overreacted with and were calling a top 3-5 dynasty back and picking in the top 3-5 picks in redraft.There's a reason I sold him in every league where I happened ot have him in - not because I think he was bad, but because I think he was grossly overvalued. In one league, I got Chris Johnson and a couple of picks, in another I got 4 1st rounders including two that should be in the top 5. It's the same reason I sold Slaton in most leagues.... perceived value higher than actual value.

 

[valhallan]

This isn't rocket science. It's actually pretty simple. One of the biggest mistakes people make in FF is not letting things play out.

Actually, one of the biggest mistakes in dynasty is missing the opportunity to sell high on a middling talent. The longer you wait to sell, the more others in your league also start noticing he's not that great. Forte probably still has some cache, but it could disappear quick. Will you wait and miss your chance?

 

[EBF]

Lets not over react or anything. Week 1 performance against the Packers new scheme that blitzed a ton and I don't think the Bears blocking was ready for it.Week 2 against the Steelers. A lot of RB look like garbage against thier defense.Both 3-4 defenses.Cutler trade and Bears Line not getting it done early on in the season is brewing a perfect storm opposite of the favorable one Forte had last season.So like a bunch of amateurs tell us how you told us so in week 2.

You're right - overreacting is bad. But, what I think most of us have been saying is that Forte is average, not terrible and not special. Last year, opportunity created great fantasy production, but those of us doubted him said, well, it's hard to see that kind of perfect storm of opportunity holding up. I am SURE that Forte will bounce back and have a, say, top 15 year at worst... but we're talking about a guy who some overreacted with and were calling a top 3-5 dynasty back and picking in the top 3-5 picks in redraft.There's a reason I sold him in every league where I happened ot have him in - not because I think he was bad, but because I think he was grossly overvalued. In one league, I got Chris Johnson and a couple of picks, in another I got 4 1st rounders including two that should be in the top 5. It's the same reason I sold Slaton in most leagues.... perceived value higher than actual value.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Talent is overrated. Seriously. Situation, durability, smarts, hands, and versatility are all crucial. In fact, would you rather have SJax or Forte if you had to have one? Everyone would pick Forte, and I would submit that SJax has more talent unquestionably. But there are so many factors, and the improved Bears QB and oline, not to mention his durability, smarts, hands, and versatility, are not going away anytime soon.

Forte is a GREAT idea in dynasty.

 

[duaneok66]

Talent is overrated. Seriously. Situation, durability, smarts, hands, and versatility are all crucial. In fact, would you rather have SJax or Forte if you had to have one? Everyone would pick Forte, and I would submit that SJax has more talent unquestionably. But there are so many factors, and the improved Bears QB and oline, not to mention his durability, smarts, hands, and versatility, are not going away anytime soon. Forte is a GREAT idea in dynasty.

EBF has already covered this extensively . . . Forte is not anywhere near a lock to keep his job . . . He is likely be on waivers in FF in two years . . .