Dynasty Rankings (4 Viewers)

[shader]

I honestly can't believe anyone would rank Santonio Holmes over Kenny Britt

 

[Go deep]

Britt is a promising player, but there are 15-20 other receivers who offer similar ability. Don't let the fact that he's coming off a monster game cause you to overrate him. He has been held below 42 receiving yards in 4 out of 6 games this season and has eclipsed 86 yards only once.

Pretty much any good NFL player can have one or two huge days. What separates the stars from the frauds is the ability to do it consistently. Britt hasn't reached that level yet, though he certainly has the potential. He has WR1 size and is clearly the most talented receiver on his team.

Does anyone else when they see a stat like that automatically think: "must have had an 86 yard game."? Not a criticism. I do it myself. Just curious if anyone else thinks it.

Michael Crabtree only has one game with 86 or more yards in almost the same amount of games.

 

[Go deep]

For guys like EBF and SSOG who dont like Britt, yesterdays game will be viewed as fluky. For those of us who did like him before yesterdays game, its a sign of things to come. Obviously nobody should let his big game influence our opinions too much either way, it was just one game.

I don't like Britt?

Well, i dont know if you dont like him, but you had him ranked as the #38 WR and behind Devin Hester two weeks ago.

Plus, didnt you say this:

*A note on Kenny Britt*

In case anyone wonders why Britt isn't moving up my rankings despite scoring in his 4th straight game... I rank on the belief that TDs are volatile and yards are a better predictor of success going forward. Britt will not keep up his TD streak, and once the TDs abandon him, Britt is garbage. In 6 weeks, he's gone for 0, 41, 26, 23, 86, and 33 yards for an average of 35 a week. That works out to 560 over a full season.

Note the bolded. Im not sure about you, but i dont usually call people i like "garbage".

 

[EBF]

I honestly can't believe anyone would rank Santonio Holmes over Kenny Britt

Holmes is coming off a 79 catch 1248 yard season. I don't think it's that hard to understand why some people might prefer him to Britt, who has just 65 catches for 1135 yards in his career.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I honestly can't believe anyone would rank Santonio Holmes over Kenny Britt

Holmes is coming off a 79 catch 1248 yard season. I don't think it's that hard to understand why some people might prefer him to Britt, who has just 65 catches for 1135 yards in his career.

Britt has 846 and 10 TDs in his last 16 gamesHolmes has 1127 and 4 TDs in his last 16 games144.6 > 136.7

 

[ty247]

People have to learn not to overreact.. Philadelphia put 8 and even 9 in the box most of the day, DARING the Titans to air it out, betting on the fact that if they stopped CJ they'd win.. Philly just happened to lose that bet due to a monster game where Britt played probably the best game he'll ever have in his NFL career..

I'm a Titan fan and a serious Britt Backer.. but putting him into the top 10 dynasty receivers, even top 15.. let's step back and take a breath, wait a few weeks and then re-assess..

 

[Go deep]

People have to learn not to overreact.. Philadelphia put 8 and even 9 in the box most of the day, DARING the Titans to air it out, betting on the fact that if they stopped CJ they'd win.. Philly just happened to lose that bet due to a monster game where Britt played probably the best game he'll ever have in his NFL career..

I'm a Titan fan and a serious Britt Backer.. but putting him into the top 10 dynasty receivers, even top 15.. let's step back and take a breath, wait a few weeks and then re-assess..

One person said that. Most of us are just suggesting he belongs in or near the top 20. EBF just keeps assuming everyone has said that because it makes his argument sound better,

 

[Go deep]

I honestly can't believe anyone would rank Santonio Holmes over Kenny Britt

Holmes is coming off a 79 catch 1248 yard season. I don't think it's that hard to understand why some people might prefer him to Britt, who has just 65 catches for 1135 yards in his career.

Britt has played 23 games and has 65 rec, 1135 yards and 10 TD'sCrabtree has played 19 games and has 76 rec, 957 yards and 4 TD'sWould it be hard to understand people having Holmes over Crabtree?

 

[EBF]

Not particularly.

The reason I found shader's recent comment a bit off-base is because he not only suggested that he has Britt ranked above Holmes, but also that he couldn't possibly conceive of why anyone would rank Holmes higher.

 

[Lab]

F&L (or others), what do you think about long-term prospects (2011 & beyond) for Massaquoi, Gilyard, Gibson, and Deon Butler. I'm carrying Jacoby Jones as my developmental project player right now, but he's still not showing great signs of developing, and will always be stuck behind AJ. Can you see any of these other players developing into true top-flight players? My own instinct is that Butler is not the answer because he likely will take a back seat to Golden Tate in 2011 and beyond. Between Gilyard and Gibson, it seems like Gilyard might be a better long-term stash. To me, Massaquoi seems the winner since he's clearly the WR1 on that team, and has decent potential upside if they can straighten out the QB situation (and several other problems).

Bonus question: What are your long-term thoughts on Tarvaris Jackson? Any potential there long-term, or a perennial disappointment?

Thanks in advance.

 

[ty247]

Here's another thing to consider;

Britt

Nicks

Harvin

Maclin

Crabtree

Wallace

Knox

Collie

All of these guys came into the league in the same year... to think that, long term, dynasty wise, even half of these guys makes it as top tier receivers consistently isn't realistic..

Odds are 2 or maybe even 3 of these receivers will have long productive careers in the NFL.. injury, work ethic, QB play, outside influences etc.. haven't even had a chance to begin to influence their futures..

Britt already has a few things going against him, his work ethic was questioned by Fisher earlier in the season.. he came in over weight and had been sent home from team workouts because of it..

He's been spotted hanging with some bad dudes.. he gets involved in a night club brawl, self admittedly says he shouldn't haven't even been there because he has his FIANCE at home waiting for him..

Much of this contradicts what a lot of the pre-draft talk, and post draft talk concerning him.. dedication, work ethic, and maturity were some of his biggest positives leading up to and after the draft.. working with Rod Smith on his route running and hands before, after and during the Titans down time between rookie camps and OTA's..

It's probably that 22 year old in him coming out.. but it also shows the volatility of the kid.. love the Titans, hope this kid does well.. but I can very well see where SSOG and EBF are both coming from, placing him outside the top 20. The offensive philosophy, QB situation, combined with previously mentioned knocks on him at the moment and you've got a situation where the smart gambler isn't going to place his money on that horse so to speak.

 

[Go deep]

Here's another thing to consider;BrittNicksHarvinMaclinCrabtreeWallaceKnoxCollieAll of these guys came into the league in the same year... to think that, long term, dynasty wise, even half of these guys makes it as top tier receivers consistently isn't realistic..Odds are 2 or maybe even 3 of these receivers will have long productive careers in the NFL.. injury, work ethic, QB play, outside influences etc.. haven't even had a chance to begin to influence their futures..

I am not a big fan of this argument. some times certain draft classes pump out alot of good players at one position. Look at the 96 class of WR's. Keyshawn, Harrison, Moulds, Horn, Owens, Glenn, and more im sure im forgetting. How about the 2008 RB class, Felix Jones, Darren Mcfadden, Rashard Mendenhall, Johnny Stewart, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte.I just dont see how Britts future success can be affected by the other WR's who came out in the same draft.

 

[ty247]

Here's another thing to consider;BrittNicksHarvinMaclinCrabtreeWallaceKnoxCollieAll of these guys came into the league in the same year... to think that, long term, dynasty wise, even half of these guys makes it as top tier receivers consistently isn't realistic..Odds are 2 or maybe even 3 of these receivers will have long productive careers in the NFL.. injury, work ethic, QB play, outside influences etc.. haven't even had a chance to begin to influence their futures..

I am not a big fan of this argument. some times certain draft classes pump out alot of good players at one position. Look at the 96 class of WR's. Keyshawn, Harrison, Moulds, Horn, Owens, Glenn, and more im sure im forgetting. How about the 2008 RB class, Felix Jones, Darren Mcfadden, Rashard Mendenhall, Johnny Stewart, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte.I just dont see how Britts future success can be affected by the other WR's who came out in the same draft.

I'm saying the ODDS are 2 maybe 3 will become special, true dynasty top 15 talents.. I'm not saying that some of them couldn't have good or even great seasons.. but do we have to look at Steve Slaton's rookie season, or Michael Clayton's rookie season and not say to ourselves, "Jeez, I probably shouldn't jump to conclusions about a guy's career"and the 2008 RB class, while special.. let's not anoint them all future hall of famer's quite yet. (Yes there's a ton of talent and it's a special class)but while not a fan of that portion of my argument, how do you feel about the other? would you not agree?

 

[thriftyrocker]

but while not a fan of that portion of my argument, how do you feel about the other? would you not agree?

I am shocked SHOCKED that a 22 year old NFL player was at a bar with shady dudes when he could be at home with his FIANCEE.

 

[squistion]

I honestly can't believe anyone would rank Santonio Holmes over Kenny Britt

Holmes is coming off a 79 catch 1248 yard season. I don't think it's that hard to understand why some people might prefer him to Britt, who has just 65 catches for 1135 yards in his career.

C'mon, I agree with you about Holmes over Britt but that was a rather condescending remark. For either one of you it is not purely about the numbers here, and you know it. You said yourself earlier, "I guess I can't fault people for still retaining a little bit of skepticism about Holmes considering that you can still frame his numbers in a pessimistic light," and you also said, "As much as I like to use stats and trends, I'm also in the camp that thinks a big part of FF success hinges on your ability to form accurate subjective opinions using circumstantial evidence."Maybe Shader has formed an "accurate subjective opinion" and his enthusiam for Britt is based on that. Do I agree with his statement? No, but I don't think it warranted throwing out a dismissive apples and oranges comparison which didn't add much of anything to the discussion. You could also have said that you might understand why some people might prefer Derrick Mason over Britt, who is coming off a 73 catch 1028 season and that wouldn't have much more relevance than what you cited.

 

[Go deep]

Just out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the most overvalued dynasty player going into this season?

I don't see a Slaton this year, but let me think about this and I'll get back to you.Possibly Ahmad Bradshaw from what I've seen in this thread, but he's not rated nearly as high as Slaton was last summer.

This would have been the right answer, if the question was who would be leading the league in rushing yards going into week 8.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

but while not a fan of that portion of my argument, how do you feel about the other? would you not agree?

I am shocked SHOCKED that a 22 year old NFL player was at a bar with shady dudes when he could be at home with his FIANCEE.

Christ, I'm 36 and I was in a bar shoving match three months ago. Woe is me.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Just out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the most overvalued dynasty player going into this season?

I don't see a Slaton this year, but let me think about this and I'll get back to you.Possibly Ahmad Bradshaw from what I've seen in this thread, but he's not rated nearly as high as Slaton was last summer.

This would have been the right answer, if the question was who would be leading the league in rushing yards going into week 8.

Bradshaw has been excellent, no question. I still question his staying power with the injury history and a style reminiscent of Marion Barber.

 

[Go deep]

Just out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the most overvalued dynasty player going into this season?

I don't see a Slaton this year, but let me think about this and I'll get back to you.Possibly Ahmad Bradshaw from what I've seen in this thread, but he's not rated nearly as high as Slaton was last summer.

This would have been the right answer, if the question was who would be leading the league in rushing yards going into week 8.

Bradshaw has been excellent, no question. I still question his staying power with the injury history and a style reminiscent of Marion Barber.

No doubt he will try to deliver a blow at the end of a run, but i dont think his running style is near as violent as Barber. Im not sure Bradshaw is any more of an injury risk than any other RB who gets 20 touches a game.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I can't shake the idea that Britt is the next Braylon Edwards. Works his way up to having a great year or two and then kind of falls off the map. I don't really have anything to base this on, outside of the questions of his work ethic, but I have just have that feeling that he will be a flash in the pan.

 

[Steed]

The work ethic issues are way overblown. Kid is probably the most ripped WR in the NFL. He's put together like a young TO. Out of shape for him is top notch conditioning for most WRs in the NFL. However, the Braylon comparison might fit. Braylon was lights out catching the ball his 16 TD season, and he hasn't been that consistent ever since.

 

[az_prof]

Love the information and discussion in this thread so much. Great and thoughtful insight on lots of topics.

I did want to bring up one, and as a big KC fan my view is going to be skewed here:

Jamaal Charles vs Ahmad Bradshaw

JC at DR.net is sitting at #7, will AB is at #18.

I look at the situation between KC and NYG running game and think they are similar (Charles=Bradshaw and Jones=Jacobs). The difference being NYG goes to the air more (takes rushing opportunities away but creates more running lanes when they do rush?). I see throughout the board Bradshaw being referred to as 'border line stud' a lot, but a lot of people saying beware Thomas Jones when talking about Charles.

As I watched what was happening in KC, I believe that Jones was brought in to take a somewhat equal load for around the first half of the season, and then JC will begin to see the majority (to try to replicate the second half success he saw in 2009) to take advantage of the 'worn down defenses' in the second half of the season. And if they do that, it is probably something they would do from season to season (if it works), and hopefully reduce the wear and tear on Charles giving him longevity in his production.

For Bradshaw, what is the story here, I'm not as tuned in as with KC. Also, what is the contract status with him and Jacobs in NY?

Rotoworld is a good place for contract info. Bradshaw is a FA next year. Jacobs has 2 years left but at 4.5mil+ per year. Jacobs will be cut unless he restructures (likely cut). I think it's more likely Bradshaw is with the team next year than Jacobs.For 2010, Bradshaw is the lead back and Jacobs is the COP. It's hard to argue with that because Jacobs has been much more effective in the COP role than he has been for the past 1 or 2 years as a lead back. Jacobs is a fringe player right now - a better version of Barber - and I wouldn't give him any chance of being a top 15 back again.

There's been a war between skeptics and believers on Bradshaw as well. Search back to June. A lot of people thought Jacobs would still be the guy and have been reluctant to buy into Bradshaw. Even as a believer, I couldn't put Bradshaw over Charles, just because I don't see that ability to dominate and carry a fantasy team like Charles did last year. Also Charles has a 5th gear that Bradshaw lacks, and has generally been healthy.

Bradshaw might still be too low at 18, but not much. I don't think he's a RB1 for dynasty leagues.

I think the Charles, Bradshaw comparison is valid, in terms of situation. I think they are pretty close in dynasty value as well. I have them both as low RB1/High RB2. If I am contending, I would give the nod to Bradshaw. If I am a couple years away, I give the nod to Charles. I think the biggest issue with Bradshaw is health, which is ironic, because he hasn't missed any time in the last two years. But Bradshaw has leg/feet issues that are life-long, as is my understanding. He is constantly on the injury report, and I question how long he will be able to play through pain, especially as he gets older. I read that he simply didn't practice for large portions of last season, the majority even.

Another thing that scares me about Bradshaw, is that he reminds me of MB3. His best asset is his ability to run hard, and aggressively. That can take a toll on your body, a body that isn't as big as it plays. Once a RB like Bradshaw loses even a hint of that burst, it is a drastic fall back down to earth, as MB3, Jacobs show. I don't know that he is talented enough to be a top 10 RB in the NFL for longer than a couple seasons, with his running style and injury concerns.

As far as Jones vs. Jacobs in their ability to keep the discussed two off of the field, I think they are fairly equal as well.

I don't disagree with what you say about Bradshaw's running style or long term injury concerns. I do disagree that Jones and Jacobs are comparable. Jones is a guy who has been a high performing back for many years now and in multiple systems. Jones is a well rounded, featured back. Jacobs is not nearly as well rounded or accomplished. He is a system back. Jacobs is not nearly as good a back as Jones although he is younger. But talking about running style and injury concerns, everything you said about Bradshaw is true of Jacobs, only Jacobs is much older than Bradshaw. I haven't seen Charles play enough to have a strong opinion on him, but after how he played last year it does concern me that they felt the need to bring Thomas Jones in to start. Does KC know something we don't about Charles' ability, or lack thereof, to be a featured back? We have now seen that Bradshaw can be a featured back and do a smash up job. That's the big difference as I see it.

 

[LOCO]

question about bradford. anyone acquire him recently? trying to gauge value. i think the kid will be special.

 

[mcintyre1]

question about bradford. anyone acquire him recently? trying to gauge value. i think the kid will be special.

I've tried in a few leagues. Owners aren't budging at all, want a good player + 1st round pick at least. Not worth it for me.

 

[Go deep]

question about bradford. anyone acquire him recently? trying to gauge value. i think the kid will be special.

Agreed, i have him ranked as a top 10 dynasty QB right now, and he has nowhere to go but up. Its simply amazing what he is doing with the worst Wr corps in the league. Especially when you consider he has a different set of WR's each week. Its going to be scary to see how good this guy will be once he gets a real WR corps, and an opportunity to play with them for a full season.

 

[Spike]

I'm not too interested in rehashing the McFadden debates of years past, but it's telling that three seasons into his career a single 150+ yard rushing game is such a big deal that it causes people to bump ancient threads and pull out the "See, he doesn't suck!" card. As much as I've enjoyed poking fun at DMC in the past, I often went out of my way to acknowledge that he had explosive speed and would almost certainly yield occasional highlight reel moments. I still rate him clearly behind Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Johnson, Felix Jones, Ray Rice, and Jamaal Charles as an NFL player and FF asset. We don't bump threads when those guys have good games because we know they're good players and we expect them to excel. However, every time DMC does anything remotely promising the fanboys come out of the woodwork to have themselves a good pat on the back. I think it's telling that his successes have been so few and far between that a good game is still newsworthy. The fact that some people are bringing the whole BMI thing into the equation is pretty amusing considering that DMC has struggled to stay healthy throughout his NFL career and just recently missed the past two weeks with an injury. Where were the sarcastic BMI remarks when he was sitting on the shelf nursing his chicken legs? If you go back and read my posts from around the 2008 draft, my argument wasn't that DMC was complete crap who had no place in the NFL. It was merely that he was an overrated prospect who probably wouldn't become the consistent superstar that his most ardent supporters envisioned. I feel good about that prediction and I think it's funny that people still attack me about DMC when my original opinion was pretty sound. I guess the people who have suffered through seasons of DMC-induced frustration need to savor the rare feeling of success. Be my guest. If landing the 6th or 7th best RB from a draft class with the 1.01 rookie pick is cause for celebration, by all means break out the .

EBF, do you have an updated set of rankings anywhere that you'd be willing to make available to vox populi?

 

[Go deep]

I'm not too interested in rehashing the McFadden debates of years past, but it's telling that three seasons into his career a single 150+ yard rushing game is such a big deal that it causes people to bump ancient threads and pull out the "See, he doesn't suck!" card. As much as I've enjoyed poking fun at DMC in the past, I often went out of my way to acknowledge that he had explosive speed and would almost certainly yield occasional highlight reel moments. I still rate him clearly behind Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Johnson, Felix Jones, Ray Rice, and Jamaal Charles as an NFL player and FF asset. We don't bump threads when those guys have good games because we know they're good players and we expect them to excel. However, every time DMC does anything remotely promising the fanboys come out of the woodwork to have themselves a good pat on the back. I think it's telling that his successes have been so few and far between that a good game is still newsworthy. The fact that some people are bringing the whole BMI thing into the equation is pretty amusing considering that DMC has struggled to stay healthy throughout his NFL career and just recently missed the past two weeks with an injury. Where were the sarcastic BMI remarks when he was sitting on the shelf nursing his chicken legs? If you go back and read my posts from around the 2008 draft, my argument wasn't that DMC was complete crap who had no place in the NFL. It was merely that he was an overrated prospect who probably wouldn't become the consistent superstar that his most ardent supporters envisioned. I feel good about that prediction and I think it's funny that people still attack me about DMC when my original opinion was pretty sound. I guess the people who have suffered through seasons of DMC-induced frustration need to savor the rare feeling of success. Be my guest. If landing the 6th or 7th best RB from a draft class with the 1.01 rookie pick is cause for celebration, by all means break out the .

EBF, do you have an updated set of rankings anywhere that you'd be willing to make available to vox populi?

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Bradshaw has been excellent, no question. I still question his staying power with the injury history and a style reminiscent of Marion Barber.

No doubt he will try to deliver a blow at the end of a run, but i dont think his running style is near as violent as Barber. Im not sure Bradshaw is any more of an injury risk than any other RB who gets 20 touches a game.

I think his style is very much like Barber's, but there's no need for us to see eye-to-eye on every player's long-term stability.

 

[az_prof]

Bradshaw has been excellent, no question. I still question his staying power with the injury history and a style reminiscent of Marion Barber.

No doubt he will try to deliver a blow at the end of a run, but i dont think his running style is near as violent as Barber. Im not sure Bradshaw is any more of an injury risk than any other RB who gets 20 touches a game.

I think his style is very much like Barber's, but there's no need for us to see eye-to-eye on every player's long-term stability.

I see the way that Bradshaw finishes a run as similar to Barber, but overall, he is much more elusive.Watch the cut on this play: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...haw-25-yard-run

I just don't think Barber has ever been capable of changing directions on a dime like that.

 

[Go deep]

Bradshaw has been excellent, no question. I still question his staying power with the injury history and a style reminiscent of Marion Barber.

No doubt he will try to deliver a blow at the end of a run, but i dont think his running style is near as violent as Barber. Im not sure Bradshaw is any more of an injury risk than any other RB who gets 20 touches a game.

I think his style is very much like Barber's, but there's no need for us to see eye-to-eye on every player's long-term stability.

I see the way that Bradshaw finishes a run as similar to Barber, but overall, he is much more elusive.Watch the cut on this play: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...haw-25-yard-run

I just don't think Barber has ever been capable of changing directions on a dime like that.

Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not. If i had to compare Bradshaw to any RB in the league it would be Ray Rice. There are some differences, but i think its a better comparsion than Barber.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not.

Saying he's faster than Barber isn't very controversial. He isn't fast though. Great burst, below average top speed.Caught from behind by Bears CB

Bradshaw has 4 fumbles already this year.

If i had to compare Bradshaw to any RB in the league it would be Ray Rice. There are some differences, but i think its a better comparsion than Barber.

I think the point was components of his game have negatives similar to Barber, that have really sapped Barber's value very early in his career, which give some reason for pause. Rice is a good comparison for the rest of his game.

 

[EBF]

I'm not too interested in rehashing the McFadden debates of years past, but it's telling that three seasons into his career a single 150+ yard rushing game is such a big deal that it causes people to bump ancient threads and pull out the "See, he doesn't suck!" card. As much as I've enjoyed poking fun at DMC in the past, I often went out of my way to acknowledge that he had explosive speed and would almost certainly yield occasional highlight reel moments. I still rate him clearly behind Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Johnson, Felix Jones, Ray Rice, and Jamaal Charles as an NFL player and FF asset. We don't bump threads when those guys have good games because we know they're good players and we expect them to excel. However, every time DMC does anything remotely promising the fanboys come out of the woodwork to have themselves a good pat on the back. I think it's telling that his successes have been so few and far between that a good game is still newsworthy. The fact that some people are bringing the whole BMI thing into the equation is pretty amusing considering that DMC has struggled to stay healthy throughout his NFL career and just recently missed the past two weeks with an injury. Where were the sarcastic BMI remarks when he was sitting on the shelf nursing his chicken legs? If you go back and read my posts from around the 2008 draft, my argument wasn't that DMC was complete crap who had no place in the NFL. It was merely that he was an overrated prospect who probably wouldn't become the consistent superstar that his most ardent supporters envisioned. I feel good about that prediction and I think it's funny that people still attack me about DMC when my original opinion was pretty sound. I guess the people who have suffered through seasons of DMC-induced frustration need to savor the rare feeling of success. Be my guest. If landing the 6th or 7th best RB from a draft class with the 1.01 rookie pick is cause for celebration, by all means break out the :( .

EBF, do you have an updated set of rankings anywhere that you'd be willing to make available to vox populi?

I don't generally maintain a set of rankings. I leave that to the real experts like Go deep. However, I always respond to PMs and will answer any question that you might have about players.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I'm not too interested in rehashing the McFadden debates of years past, but it's telling that three seasons into his career a single 150+ yard rushing game is such a big deal that it causes people to bump ancient threads and pull out the "See, he doesn't suck!" card. As much as I've enjoyed poking fun at DMC in the past, I often went out of my way to acknowledge that he had explosive speed and would almost certainly yield occasional highlight reel moments. I still rate him clearly behind Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Johnson, Felix Jones, Ray Rice, and Jamaal Charles as an NFL player and FF asset. We don't bump threads when those guys have good games because we know they're good players and we expect them to excel. However, every time DMC does anything remotely promising the fanboys come out of the woodwork to have themselves a good pat on the back. I think it's telling that his successes have been so few and far between that a good game is still newsworthy.

The fact that some people are bringing the whole BMI thing into the equation is pretty amusing considering that DMC has struggled to stay healthy throughout his NFL career and just recently missed the past two weeks with an injury. Where were the sarcastic BMI remarks when he was sitting on the shelf nursing his chicken legs?

If you go back and read my posts from around the 2008 draft, my argument wasn't that DMC was complete crap who had no place in the NFL. It was merely that he was an overrated prospect who probably wouldn't become the consistent superstar that his most ardent supporters envisioned. I feel good about that prediction and I think it's funny that people still attack me about DMC when my original opinion was pretty sound. I guess the people who have suffered through seasons of DMC-induced frustration need to savor the rare feeling of success. Be my guest. If landing the 6th or 7th best RB from a draft class with the 1.01 rookie pick is cause for celebration, by all means break out the .

EBF, do you have an updated set of rankings anywhere that you'd be willing to make available to vox populi?

I don't generally maintain a set of rankings. I leave that to the real experts like Go deep. However, I always respond to PMs and will answer any question that you might have about players.

I might not always agree with EBF, but he knows his ####. I always pay attention to his posts.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not.

Of course he's faster. Barber can't run well with a fork sticking out of his back. I was comparing Bradshaw to an early-career Barber, the one that most people wanted to rank as Top 5-10 Dynasty back three years ago.Bradshaw isn't nearly as fast as Ray Rice, and his style is a lot more physical.

 

[az_prof]

Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not.

Of course he's faster. Barber can't run well with a fork sticking out of his back. I was comparing Bradshaw to an early-career Barber, the one that most people wanted to rank as Top 5-10 Dynasty back three years ago.Bradshaw isn't nearly as fast as Ray Rice, and his style is a lot more physical.

No comparisons are perfect. I can see the MB comparison but I think the Rice one is more apt. Bradshaw doesn't have elite speed, but he is no slouch. Rice doesn't have elite speed either for that matter. The similarity with Rice is that both have good vision, pick their hole decisively and then burst through with great quickness. Both have good hip wiggle and can change direction quickly. Both shrug off arm tackles, which allows them to run bigger than their size. Rice is faster and Bradshaw does run a bit tougher. But they are similar. Anyway, it's all good. This sort of analysis is subjective.

 

[Steed]

Unfortunately F&L has long been a hater of Bradshaw. I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure after his 88 yard YD against Buffalo, he said Ahmad's value would never be higher after that. I guess he was right in the respect that it took him almost 4 years to finally wrest the job from Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward. Tough to be right on these guys with almost no pedigree like Bradshaw.

 

[Go deep]

Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not.

Of course he's faster. Barber can't run well with a fork sticking out of his back. I was comparing Bradshaw to an early-career Barber, the one that most people wanted to rank as Top 5-10 Dynasty back three years ago.

Bradshaw isn't nearly as fast as Ray Rice, and his style is a lot more physical.

I honestly dont see the comparison, Barber wasnt a very good runner other than the fact he was phyiscal. Bradshaw is a much better all around back than Barber is/was. Barber was depenant on TD's for his fanatsy value, Bradshaw is almost the complete opposite, he leads the league in rushing and has only scored 3 TD's. If anything, Jacobs is more Barber like than Bradshaw. Either way, i try not to compare players to one another, it often leads to unfair conclusions.

 

[az_prof]

Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not.

Of course he's faster. Barber can't run well with a fork sticking out of his back. I was comparing Bradshaw to an early-career Barber, the one that most people wanted to rank as Top 5-10 Dynasty back three years ago.

Bradshaw isn't nearly as fast as Ray Rice, and his style is a lot more physical.

I honestly dont see the comparison, Barber wasnt a very good runner other than the fact he was phyiscal. Bradshaw is a much better all around back than Barber is/was. Barber was depenant on TD's for his fanatsy value, Bradshaw is almost the complete opposite, he leads the league in rushing and has only scored 3 TD's. If anything, Jacobs is more Barber like than Bradshaw. Either way, i try not to compare players to one another, it often leads to unfair conclusions.

Again, these are subjective judgements, but in my view, I agree that Jacobs is more like Barber.

 

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Not only he is more elusive, but he is faster. Bradshaw is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, Barber is not.

Of course he's faster. Barber can't run well with a fork sticking out of his back. I was comparing Bradshaw to an early-career Barber, the one that most people wanted to rank as Top 5-10 Dynasty back three years ago.

Bradshaw isn't nearly as fast as Ray Rice, and his style is a lot more physical.

I honestly dont see the comparison, Barber wasnt a very good runner other than the fact he was phyiscal. Bradshaw is a much better all around back than Barber is/was. Barber was depenant on TD's for his fanatsy value, Bradshaw is almost the complete opposite, he leads the league in rushing and has only scored 3 TD's. If anything, Jacobs is more Barber like than Bradshaw. Either way, i try not to compare players to one another, it often leads to unfair conclusions.

Again, these are subjective judgements, but in my view, I agree that Jacobs is more like Barber.

I agree, but im just not seeing the Bradshaw/Barber comparison at all. Bradshaw runs hard, and will initiate some contact at the end of a run, but Barber was on a whole different level. He was looking for someone to hit before he even got the handoff. Other than that, i dont see anything else that makes them similar. Either way, i guess this debate has gone as far as it can, so i will move on.

 

[SSOG]

It's clear which NFL RB is a young Marion Barber, and it's neither Bradshaw nor Jacobs. If it's anyone, it's Peyton Hillis. He's more of a man than Mike Gundy. He plays like the SWAT member from The Replacements.

Well, i dont know if you dont like him, but you had him ranked as the #38 WR and behind Devin Hester two weeks ago.

Plus, didnt you say this:

*A note on Kenny Britt*

In case anyone wonders why Britt isn't moving up my rankings despite scoring in his 4th straight game... I rank on the belief that TDs are volatile and yards are a better predictor of success going forward. Britt will not keep up his TD streak, and once the TDs abandon him, Britt is garbage. In 6 weeks, he's gone for 0, 41, 26, 23, 86, and 33 yards for an average of 35 a week. That works out to 560 over a full season.

Note the bolded. Im not sure about you, but i dont usually call people i like "garbage".

#38 is still a valuable fantasy asset, and you're cherry picking Britt's lowest point. Sure, he was #38 two weeks ago. He was #36 last week, though. Two months ago, he was #26. He's bounced around a lot over the last two months, but the one constant is that he's always been ranked as a valuable fantasy asset. I don't get how I'm a "Hester lover" and a "Britt hater" because I had the two ranked similarly.The garbage comment was directed more towards Britt as a fantasy asset than Britt as an NFL player. At the time, my assumption was that Britt was the #2 or #3 receiver on a run-first team with a terrible QB. As far as fantasy assets go, that's not a recipe for consistent production. Hell, it's still not a recipe for consistent production.

The work ethic issues are way overblown. Kid is probably the most ripped WR in the NFL. He's put together like a young TO. Out of shape for him is top notch conditioning for most WRs in the NFL. However, the Braylon comparison might fit. Braylon was lights out catching the ball his 16 TD season, and he hasn't been that consistent ever since.

Exhibit A in the case that being the "most ripped WR in the NFL" does not necessarily mean you have a good NFL work ethic.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Unfortunately F&L has long been a hater of Bradshaw. I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure after his 88 yard YD against Buffalo, he said Ahmad's value would never be higher after that. I guess he was right in the respect that it took him almost 4 years to finally wrest the job from Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward. Tough to be right on these guys with almost no pedigree like Bradshaw.

I like Bradshaw. I think he's a very good back. I just don't think he has a lot of staying power.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I honestly dont see the comparison, Barber wasnt a very good runner other than the fact he was phyiscal. Bradshaw is a much better all around back than Barber is/was.

Sounds like ex post facto reasoning to me. It's easy for you to say now when Barber only plays the short-yardage role, but I guarantee that Barber was considered by most fantasy owners a more valuable Dynasty property 3-4 years ago than Bradshaw is now. Barber was noted by many as one of the best all-around backs in the NFL. He was certainly a better receiver, blocker, and short-yardage runner.

 

[Steed]

I agree with you on Bradshaw not having a lot of staying power, but I'm not sure who does these days outside of Peterson and Chris Johnson. I didn't expect Ray Rice and MJD to fall from their ranks.

 

[BigJim®]

Just curious how people are looking at Vikings QB Joe Webb? Just picked him up myself off the trash heap in my dynasty league and think he has a lot of things going for him:

1. Brett Favre seems to obviously be playing his last year in the NFL.

2. Tarvaris Jackson working in the last year of his contract.

3. The Vikes traded away the only other QB who was under contract beyond 2010 (Rosenfels).

4. Although the Vikings had drafted Webb as a college QB-to-WR convert, they played him exclusively at QB after the first minicamp. At that point it was reported the Vikings were considering Webb potentially their QB of the future.

5. During final roster cuts, they chose to keep Webb, fearing that attempting to sneak him to the practice squad might result in him being signed by another NFL team after some dazzling preseason exposure. Like vs.

and ability to make nice catches in summer camps with his size 11 hands before being moved back to QB, the Vikings refused to move him to WR after Sidney Rice went down... reaffirming their focus on developing Webb as a QB.7. Finally FWIW, Joe Webb has impressed Brett Favre, who isn't exactly known for praising his back-ups. As Brett Favre put it, "The guy's just an amazing talent. He's got a great arm. Big, physical guy who can fly. I look at him and say you've got to find a way to get him on the field somehow, some way."

Bottom line, now is the time to grab and stash Webb on your dynasty bench while Favre and Tarvaris occupy the headlines. Any injury here or there, and this guy will become immediately relevant. At worse, do not be surprised if he is given every chance to push for 2011 playing time, possibly a #2 QB role that again makes him very relevant as an injury replacement.

 

[DansRams]

question about bradford. anyone acquire him recently? trying to gauge value. i think the kid will be special.

I have a dynasty ppr team I am rebuilding with Eli as my current #1. I traded a 2011 #1 (I have 5 more), Torain and L Murphy for him. I see him as a top 5 QB for 10 yrs starting in 2012 and very possibly top 10 next yr. Some might think I gave up a lot but Torain isn't in my plans for the future (ppr) and I already have Marshall, Nicks and Bryant at WR so Murphy doesn't help me. If you want him you need to get him now...he will only get more expensive as time goes on.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

IN one league I am out of if and trying to trade Gates and getting terrible offers. Sometimes these dynasty players crack me up.

"He's 28!!!!! he's on his last legs." LOL fine Ill just hold him

 

[eaglesfan7]

Just curious how people are looking at Vikings QB Joe Webb? Just picked him up myself off the trash heap in my dynasty league and think he has a lot of things going for him:

1. Brett Favre seems to obviously be playing his last year in the NFL.

2. Tarvaris Jackson working in the last year of his contract.

3. The Vikes traded away the only other QB who was under contract beyond 2010 (Rosenfels).

4. Although the Vikings had drafted Webb as a college QB-to-WR convert, they played him exclusively at QB after the first minicamp. At that point it was reported the Vikings were considering Webb potentially their QB of the future.

5. During final roster cuts, they chose to keep Webb, fearing that attempting to sneak him to the practice squad might result in him being signed by another NFL team after some dazzling preseason exposure. Like vs.

I tried to pick up Webb in every league he was available once the news came out about Favre and his banged up ankles. I don't trust Tavaris Jackson to do much and Webb definitely has some elite speed and arm power. Can't wait to see what he can do. Webb to Sidney Rice for the next 10 years.

 

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I honestly dont see the comparison, Barber wasnt a very good runner other than the fact he was phyiscal. Bradshaw is a much better all around back than Barber is/was.

Sounds like ex post facto reasoning to me. It's easy for you to say now when Barber only plays the short-yardage role, but I guarantee that Barber was considered by most fantasy owners a more valuable Dynasty property 3-4 years ago than Bradshaw is now. Barber was noted by many as one of the best all-around backs in the NFL. He was certainly a better receiver, blocker, and short-yardage runner.

If thats true, i certainly wasnt one of them. I always thought Barber was a short yardage back with decent hands. After going through your summer rankings, i am a little less confused by your comparison of the two players.

30. Brandon Jacobs, NYG | Age: 28.2 | Contract: Thru 2012 | Value Score: 43

31. Michael Bush, OAK | Age: 26.3 | Contract: Thru 2010 | Value Score: 40

32. Marion Barber III, DAL | Age: 27.3 | Contract: Thru 2014 | Value Score: 39

33. Reggie Bush, NO | Age: 25.6 | Contract: Thru 2011 | Value Score: 36

34. Fred Jackson, BUF | Age: 29.7 | Contract: Thru 2012 | Value Score: 35

35. Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG | Age: 24.6 | Contract: Thru 2010 | Value Score: 34

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I can't shake the idea that Britt is the next Braylon Edwards. Works his way up to having a great year or two and then kind of falls off the map. I don't really have anything to base this on, outside of the questions of his work ethic, but I have just have that feeling that he will be a flash in the pan.

Braylon Edwards is actually having a rather decent year so far. I think the horrid QB carousel didn't do him any favors - of course his lack of concentration had it's place in his failings as well.

 

[Go deep]

IN one league I am out of if and trying to trade Gates and getting terrible offers. Sometimes these dynasty players crack me up. "He's 28!!!!! he's on his last legs." LOL fine Ill just hold him

Gates is actaully 30.Either way, you wouldnt think it would be hard to trade Gates. I have Gates along with Finley and Keller in one league, so i tried trading Gates at the begining of the season, and i didnt get one nibble. I really have no problem keeping him, especially considering he is in the middle of a career year. I am just shocked how little interest there seems to be for him.