Dynasty Rankings (6 Viewers)

[DoubleG]

Just wanted to point out something to those of you that do dynasty rankings. Tom Brady is still elite. He's currently ranked 7th by F&L, 11th by SSOG, and 12th by Go Deep.Yet he's currently the #2 QB in my fantasy league.2009? Virtual 3 way tie for 6th with Romo and Rivers.2008? ACL2007? #1 by a mile.2006? #72005? #2He's 33 (1.5 years younger than Manning), and there's little reason to doubt his productivity for the next 4+ years.

A whole lot of people sold him short when Moss got traded.

Yeah, Tom Brady is elite... but I still hope he gets herpes.Signed, Angry and Drunk Jet Fan

 

[Go deep]

Just wanted to point out something to those of you that do dynasty rankings. Tom Brady is still elite. He's currently ranked 7th by F&L, 11th by SSOG, and 12th by Go Deep.Yet he's currently the #2 QB in my fantasy league.2009? Virtual 3 way tie for 6th with Romo and Rivers.2008? ACL2007? #1 by a mile.2006? #72005? #2He's 33 (1.5 years younger than Manning), and there's little reason to doubt his productivity for the next 4+ years.

Brady moved up two points this week and is tied for 8th in my rankings.My problem with Brady is while he has always been an elite NFL QB, he has only been a good/very good FF QB without Moss. This will be his first season that he throws more than 28 TD's in a season without him.I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just wanted to point out something to those of you that do dynasty rankings. Tom Brady is still elite.

He's currently ranked 7th by F&L, 11th by SSOG, and 12th by Go Deep.

Yet he's currently the #2 QB in my fantasy league.

2009? Virtual 3 way tie for 6th with Romo and Rivers.

2008? ACL

2007? #1 by a mile.

2006? #7

2005? #2

He's 33 (1.5 years younger than Manning), and there's little reason to doubt his productivity for the next 4+ years.

Brady moved up two points this week and is tied for 8th in my rankings.

My problem with Brady is while he has always been an elite NFL QB, he has only been a good/very good FF QB without Moss. This will be his first season that he throws more than 28 TD's in a season without him.

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

The NFL as a whole has changed significantly since then and the Pats offensive scheme/game plans have change as well. Those 28 TDs led the league that year - so those 28 TDs should not be looked at as the "neagtive" that you make it out to be.With that said I don't have a problem with him being ranked at 8, since this is a golden age for QB production and without looking at your list I'm sure a legit argument can be made for anyone ranked ahead of him.

 

[Go deep]

Just wanted to point out something to those of you that do dynasty rankings. Tom Brady is still elite.

He's currently ranked 7th by F&L, 11th by SSOG, and 12th by Go Deep.

Yet he's currently the #2 QB in my fantasy league.

2009? Virtual 3 way tie for 6th with Romo and Rivers.

2008? ACL

2007? #1 by a mile.

2006? #7

2005? #2

He's 33 (1.5 years younger than Manning), and there's little reason to doubt his productivity for the next 4+ years.

Brady moved up two points this week and is tied for 8th in my rankings.

My problem with Brady is while he has always been an elite NFL QB, he has only been a good/very good FF QB without Moss. This will be his first season that he throws more than 28 TD's in a season without him.

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

The NFL as a whole has changed significantly since then and the Pats offensive scheme/game plans have change as well. Those 28 TDs led the league that year - so those 28 TDs should not be looked at as the "neagtive" that you make it out to be.

With that said I don't have a problem with him being ranked at 8, since this is a golden age for QB production and without looking at your list I'm sure a legit argument can be made for anyone ranked ahead of him.

Youre right, but he only finished as a top 6 FF QB once(2005) other than the big season with Moss.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

Let me refer you to the thread which bears your name. In the "Go deep dynasty rankings" thread I made this post after Week 6 (after he started post-Moss with two terrible games). There's been a continued discussion of how wrong you were to put non-elite and situation-dependent guys ahead of him in that thread ever since. I am not posting this to boast, just to refute your claim no one was championing Brady. It's in your own thread!

Brady as a QB2 is pretty much unAmerican. I know he lost Moss. But he will still pass a lot. He will still score a lot. Why not put Orton ahead of him too?

 

[Go deep]

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

Let me refer you to the thread which bears your name. In the "Go deep dynasty rankings" thread I made this post after Week 6 (after he started post-Moss with two terrible games). There's been a continued discussion of how wrong you were to put non-elite and situation-dependent guys ahead of him in that thread ever since. I am not posting this to boast, just to refute your claim no one was championing Brady. It's in your own thread!

Brady as a QB2 is pretty much unAmerican. I know he lost Moss. But he will still pass a lot. He will still score a lot. Why not put Orton ahead of him too?

You defended him as a QB1, not as an elite QB. I wouldnt have argued much with someone having Brady as a QB 7-12 then. When i said "i didnt see anyone defending him as an elite FF QB", i meant as a top 5 QB, which the OP insinuated.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

Let me refer you to the thread which bears your name. In the "Go deep dynasty rankings" thread I made this post after Week 6 (after he started post-Moss with two terrible games). There's been a continued discussion of how wrong you were to put non-elite and situation-dependent guys ahead of him in that thread ever since. I am not posting this to boast, just to refute your claim no one was championing Brady. It's in your own thread!

Brady as a QB2 is pretty much unAmerican. I know he lost Moss. But he will still pass a lot. He will still score a lot. Why not put Orton ahead of him too?

You defended him as a QB1, not as an elite QB. I wouldnt have argued much with someone having Brady as a QB 7-12 then. When i said "i didnt see anyone defending him as an elite FF QB", i meant as a top 5 QB, which the OP insinuated.

Pretty much "he will still score a lot" implies elite. I am not going to split hairs with you over "value scores" and the difference between #7 and "top 5".Really there's a tier of 8 top QBs:

Rivers, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Vick, Brady, Roethlisberger, Romo

All these guys are unquestioned QB1s. Doesn't matter if VJax signs elsewhere, Ward retires, Dez breaks an ankle, Reggie Wayne looks slow - they are all still QB1s.

If someone is going to drop Peyton due to his cold streak or Ben due to his broken nose and foot, I'd say the same things about them that I did about Brady.

You had Brady at QB16 at one point. And defended it ad nauseum.

 

[Go deep]

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

Let me refer you to the thread which bears your name. In the "Go deep dynasty rankings" thread I made this post after Week 6 (after he started post-Moss with two terrible games). There's been a continued discussion of how wrong you were to put non-elite and situation-dependent guys ahead of him in that thread ever since. I am not posting this to boast, just to refute your claim no one was championing Brady. It's in your own thread!

Brady as a QB2 is pretty much unAmerican. I know he lost Moss. But he will still pass a lot. He will still score a lot. Why not put Orton ahead of him too?

You defended him as a QB1, not as an elite QB. I wouldnt have argued much with someone having Brady as a QB 7-12 then. When i said "i didnt see anyone defending him as an elite FF QB", i meant as a top 5 QB, which the OP insinuated.

Pretty much "he will still score a lot" implies elite. I am not going to split hairs with you over "value scores" and the difference between #7 and "top 5".Really there's a tier of 8 top QBs:

Rivers, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Vick, Brady, Roethlisberger, Romo

All these guys are unquestioned QB1s. Doesn't matter if VJax signs elsewhere, Ward retires, Dez breaks an ankle, Reggie Wayne looks slow - they are all still QB1s.

If someone is going to drop Peyton due to his cold streak or Ben due to his broken nose and foot, I'd say the same things about them that I did about Brady.

You had Brady at QB16 at one point. And defended it ad nauseum.

I never defended him being QB16, i defended him not being an in the first tier of QB's. The lowest i had Brady was a score of 36, at that same time i had my QB7(Matt Ryan) with a score of 38. Like i said 1000 times in my rankings thread, dont pay attention to where they fall on the list, but what their dynasty score is. I never had Brady any more than 2 points away from being QB7.

I admit i may have been a little quick to drop him that far in my rankings, i also stand by not having him in the top 6 dynasty QB's. He has only finished there once in his career without Moss, unike Peyton who has done it for 12 straight years.

Also, i think you are undervaluing Bradford.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I never defended him being QB16, i defended him not being an in the first tier of QB's.

You defended mediocre and situation-dependent QB2s over him. Not just Eli and Orton, but Flacco, Freeman, etc.From your thread

I can get those kind of numbers out of guys like Flacco, Ryan, Freeman and Sanchez, and those guys are much younger.

I'm not going to front, I assumed the Pats would be back to scoring 40 points on all takers next year, not this year. But I knew it was inevitable.Don't fight for legitimacy over every bad call until the blood is dripping off Josh McDaniels' rotting corpse.Do you really see a significant value difference between Ben (your current #6) and Brady at this point? How many top 5 seasons has Ben had? Which player has more risk? Which player is playing better at this point in time?

Also, i think you are undervaluing Bradford.

I do believe in Bradford 100%. I am trying to win all my leagues this year and wouldn't trust him with that. I wouldn't trust Ryan either. I would give Bradford++ to get Brady. I would give Ryan++ to get Brady. QB is an interesting position. All the top QBs are going to give you at least 4 years. Not many people are going to look past that timeframe. I think it's a loser's game to downgrade from any of the top 8 QBs, including Bradford and Ryan.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Don't fight for legitimacy over every bad call until the blood is dripping off Josh McDaniels' rotting corpse.

Didn't mean for this to be only snarky. You had strong ratings on some WRs before other people were buying in. Everyone makes good calls and bad calls. But Brady/Foster, it might be time to move on.

 

[Go deep]

Don't fight for legitimacy over every bad call until the blood is dripping off Josh McDaniels' rotting corpse.

Didn't mean for this to be only snarky. You had strong ratings on some WRs before other people were buying in. Everyone makes good calls and bad calls. But Brady/Foster, it might be time to move on.

I never doubted Fosters ability this season, well at least not since Tate went down. I also admitted i might have been too move Brady down a couple points. However, i think it is far too early to say i was wrong about either. Yes, Brady has had 3-4 great games over the last month, but if he only had average games, would you be here saying you were wrong about him being a top 6 QB? Would anyone be suprised if Foster was not considered a top 10 RB 2 years from now?You are right, everyone is going to hit some and miss some, and i may end up being wrong about both Foster and Brady, that point just hasnt arrived yet.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I never doubted Fosters ability this season, well at least not since Tate went down. I also admitted i might have been too quick to write off Brady. However, i think it is far too early to say i was wrong about either. Yes, Brady has had 3-4 great games over the last month, but if he only had average games, would you be here saying you were wrong about him being a top 6 QB?

All my arguments from October and November would still hold. Hernandez will get better. Welker will be 100%. They will sign or draft a WR1 (if they need one). They will figure it out. If he was QB20 for the year I'd be yelling "BUY BUY" from the rooftops. I said in your thread I'd be willing to take a hit this year (vs. Orton) for better future gains.

Post-Moss right now is a two game sample size, against Baltimore and SD. I admitting I will take a small hit this year for dependability and a very good chance at better numbers from 2011 through 2016.If I owned Orton and Brady now, I'd be selling Orton while the value is high.

It is probably too late to sell Orton at this point. At this point you gotta hold and hope he gets traded to Arizona or someplace favorable.

 

[Go deep]

I never doubted Fosters ability this season, well at least not since Tate went down. I also admitted i might have been too quick to write off Brady. However, i think it is far too early to say i was wrong about either. Yes, Brady has had 3-4 great games over the last month, but if he only had average games, would you be here saying you were wrong about him being a top 6 QB?

All my arguments from October and November would still hold. Hernandez will get better. Welker will be 100%. They will sign or draft a WR1 (if they need one). They will figure it out. If he was QB20 for the year I'd be yelling "BUY BUY" from the rooftops. I said in your thread I'd be willing to take a hit this year (vs. Orton) for better future gains.

Post-Moss right now is a two game sample size, against Baltimore and SD. I admitting I will take a small hit this year for dependability and a very good chance at better numbers from 2011 through 2016.

If I owned Orton and Brady now, I'd be selling Orton while the value is high.

It is probably too late to sell Orton at this point. At this point you gotta hold and hope he gets traded to Arizona or someplace favorable.

This is yet to happen though, and that is my point. While his last month has been encouraging, it doesnt guarantee his future success. I still think he is no more likely to put up numbers better than Matt Ryan over the next 3 weeks, next year, or 5 years from now.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

It is probably too late to sell Orton at this point. At this point you gotta hold and hope he gets traded to Arizona or someplace favorable.

Why must Orton leave Denver to be worth anything? He doesn't have to worry about Tim Tebow. Tebow's guardian angel and only reason he is in Denver is gone. What new coach is going to want to make him a starting QB? Orton has demonstrated that he is competent enough and considering the other issues that team has I think the last thing a new HC/GM is going to want to get is another QB. They need help other places moreso than at QB.

 

[thriftyrocker]

It is probably too late to sell Orton at this point. At this point you gotta hold and hope he gets traded to Arizona or someplace favorable.

Why must Orton leave Denver to be worth anything? He doesn't have to worry about Tim Tebow. Tebow's guardian angel and only reason he is in Denver is gone. What new coach is going to want to make him a starting QB? Orton has demonstrated that he is competent enough and considering the other issues that team has I think the last thing a new HC/GM is going to want to get is another QB. They need help other places moreso than at QB.

Post Shanahan, the last thing a new HC/GM needed was a new QB.Rams needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.Falcons needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.Bucs needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.What success stories are there where the staff didn't make a change?Orton might be more of an "Arian Foster" than Arian Foster. He was in a great system for QBs. The next system might make him Cassel (good QB2 with some great weeks), but the chances are low it will make him Drew Brees.I am not saying Orton is worthless in Denver or worthless wherever he goes. Just that there's a strong chance the top 5 QB party is over.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

It is probably too late to sell Orton at this point. At this point you gotta hold and hope he gets traded to Arizona or someplace favorable.

Why must Orton leave Denver to be worth anything? He doesn't have to worry about Tim Tebow. Tebow's guardian angel and only reason he is in Denver is gone. What new coach is going to want to make him a starting QB? Orton has demonstrated that he is competent enough and considering the other issues that team has I think the last thing a new HC/GM is going to want to get is another QB. They need help other places moreso than at QB.

Post Shanahan, the last thing a new HC/GM needed was a new QB.Rams needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.Falcons needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.Bucs needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.

not much of this is correct, or evenly comparable to the Broncos of today

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

 

[thriftyrocker]

It is probably too late to sell Orton at this point. At this point you gotta hold and hope he gets traded to Arizona or someplace favorable.

Why must Orton leave Denver to be worth anything? He doesn't have to worry about Tim Tebow. Tebow's guardian angel and only reason he is in Denver is gone. What new coach is going to want to make him a starting QB? Orton has demonstrated that he is competent enough and considering the other issues that team has I think the last thing a new HC/GM is going to want to get is another QB. They need help other places moreso than at QB.

Post Shanahan, the last thing a new HC/GM needed was a new QB.Rams needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.Falcons needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.Bucs needed a lot more than a QB, and they made the right choice.

not much of this is correct, or evenly comparable to the Broncos of today

It's not very comparable because Orton is better than the other QBs who were on those teams.But there is a blueprint for turning a team around and it doesn't involve teaching a 28 yo QB his 3rd offensive scheme.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

Interesting. I know he did well in Oregon, but I didn't know he was that good of an NFL prospect.

 

[finito]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

Wow that's pretty high. Not quite sure he's there yet for me. Are you putting him higher than guys like Bradshaw and Moreno?

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

Interesting. I know he did well in Oregon, but I didn't know he was that good of an NFL prospect.

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

 

[Go deep]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

Interesting. I know he did well in Oregon, but I didn't know he was that good of an NFL prospect.

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

The problem with this theory is Blount was never considered a first round pick. Plus, he was cut by the titans for some reason other than punching a kid from Boise St. He has looked pretty good for TB, but i dont think he is the long term answer there. Right now i put him in the Chris Ivory, Fred Jackson range for dynasty RB's.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

Interesting. I know he did well in Oregon, but I didn't know he was that good of an NFL prospect.

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

The problem with this theory is Blount was never considered a first round pick. Plus, he was cut by the titans for some reason other than punching a kid from Boise St. He has looked pretty good for TB, but i dont think he is the long term answer there. Right now i put him in the Chris Ivory, Fred Jackson range for dynasty RB's.

Most of this is incorrect

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

When was he a first round guy? His combine was no where near as good as Mathews' was. Right or wrong, that means a lot to draft position. There was talk during the combine he could have gone as high as 3rd (even with the baggage) if he looked great at the combine, and he just didn't. Given Dwyer wasn't taken til the 6th and was "a first round guy" (more or less) before the combine, I don't think Blount would have gone in the 1st in any situation. Could he have gone 3rd like Shonn Greene or 4th like Tashard Choice did? Maybe.I (eta: don't) agree he's better than Moreno. His value could be a lot higher in 3 games than it is right now, because he's got such a crazy good playoff schedule.ETA: I thought about this some more and Moreno is easily better than Blount. Equal upside in non-PPR. Higher upside in PPR.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

When was he a first round guy?

Before he was suspended in early fall 2009.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?

As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

When was he a first round guy?

Before he was suspended in early fall 2009.

Most of this is incorrect

Some analysts even claimed Blount, once projected to be a second- or third-round prospect for the 2010 draft, was undraftable. But here he stands, a 23-year-old preparing for Oregon's pro day on Thursday after trips to the Senior Bowl and the combine.

ESPN

 

[Onions]

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?

As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

When was he a first round guy?

Before he was suspended in early fall 2009.

This is absolutely incorrect - Blount was never regarded as a 1st round talent. Consensus was 3rd-4th rounder: Scout.com Link

Blount was projected much higher in non-underclass projections. Perhaps you are confusing the two?

Honestly, at this point, his projected draft spot really has no value in his future projection. We've seen him play NFL football now, and know what sort of situation he is in in Tampa.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Just wanted to point out something to those of you that do dynasty rankings. Tom Brady is still elite.

He's currently ranked 7th by F&L, 11th by SSOG, and 12th by Go Deep.

Yet he's currently the #2 QB in my fantasy league.

2009? Virtual 3 way tie for 6th with Romo and Rivers.

2008? ACL

2007? #1 by a mile.

2006? #7

2005? #2

He's 33 (1.5 years younger than Manning), and there's little reason to doubt his productivity for the next 4+ years.

Brady moved up two points this week and is tied for 8th in my rankings.

My problem with Brady is while he has always been an elite NFL QB, he has only been a good/very good FF QB without Moss. This will be his first season that he throws more than 28 TD's in a season without him.

I will admit that i might have been a little hard on Brady after Moss left, but i didnt see anyone here defending Brady as an elite FF QB when he had 4 straight games with less than 20 FF points after Moss left.

My post from Oct 6th:

Randy Moss this year:

5/59/0

2/38/1

2/42/2

0/0/0

No way Tate can put up those kind of numbers right?

Now obviously losing Moss isn't going to help Brady. However, are Brady's weapons now really any different than what Kyle Orton has to work with? Orton is probably a good comparison, since they run the same offense now in Denver. (In case anybody hadn't noticed Orton is currently 3rd among fantasy QBs to date.)

I guess I just see Brady spreading the ball around a ton. All of his WRs and TEs and pass catching RBs will get a boost. There's tons of good to decent options for him to throw to, and I don't think losing Moss necessarily means Brady becomes average. Is it possible? Sure. Probable? Not so sure.

Teams can't double everyone. So they decide to double Welker on a given week. Don't you think Brady will just find the open man and hit him? I sure do.

I think the thing the OP is missing here is the fact that Brady is just really good.

The only question for me really is, the Patriots will most likely lose some of their most explosive plays now. So will they be able to still make those drives into TDs? Moss made 6 catches of 40 yards or more a year ago. Can someone step up and make that happen this year?

 

[Herm23]

I think he would have been a first round guy if he hadn't cheap shotted that kid (Boise St?). So if he's a first round talent, and he is on pace to run for about 900 yards for the season despite spotting the league a couple of games, I think there is reason to be pretty excited about him. Ask yourself, if he were drafted where Ryan Mathews was drafted, where would you put him?As for someone else asking about Bradshaw and Moreno. Bradshaw > Blount > Moreno IMO

When was he a first round guy?

Before he was suspended in early fall 2009.

Most of this is incorrect.Edit: D'oh, beaten to the punch by Thrifty.To add something to the discussion matter, I have Blount pretty far down my rankings. In whatever order you want to put them, I rank the following ahead of him by a mile:Adrian PetersonChris JohnsonRay RiceArian FosterJamaal CharlesMJDRashard MendenhallJonathan StewartFrank GoreDarren McFaddenLeSean McCoyRyan MathewsJahvid BestSteven JacksonAhmad BradshawBeanie WellsKnowshon MorenoPeyton HillisDeAngelo WilliamsThat's 19 players that I feel confident in saying are all better bets for short and long term success than Blount. Next is the list of players that I think begin to fall into the same range as Blount and a case could be made either way:Felix JonesMichael TurnerCJ SpillerMatt ForteShonn GreeneDonald BrownCedric BensonMarshawn LynchPierre ThomasOut of this list, I would only take him over Donald Brown, Marshawn Lynch, Cedric Benson, and Pierre Thomas. This puts him right around RB25 for me.

 

[Boone22]

Wondering if there's a consensus on the dynasty value of LeGarrette Blount?

I own him in a competitive league. There are probably about 10 Rbs I'd take for him and that's it.

Interesting. I know he did well in Oregon, but I didn't know he was that good of an NFL prospect.

If it helps, I traded what I thought would be a mid-first round rookie pick (ended up being 1.06) straight up for him in a RB heavy dynasty league.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

To add something to the discussion matter, I have Blount pretty far down my rankings. In whatever order you want to put them, I rank the following ahead of him by a mile:Adrian PetersonChris JohnsonRay RiceArian FosterJamaal CharlesMJDRashard MendenhallJonathan StewartFrank GoreDarren McFaddenLeSean McCoyRyan MathewsJahvid BestSteven JacksonAhmad BradshawBeanie WellsKnowshon MorenoPeyton HillisDeAngelo WilliamsThat's 19 players that I feel confident in saying are all better bets for short and long term success than Blount. Next is the list of players that I think begin to fall into the same range as Blount and a case could be made either way:Felix JonesMichael TurnerCJ SpillerMatt ForteShonn GreeneDonald BrownCedric BensonMarshawn LynchPierre ThomasOut of this list, I would only take him over Donald Brown, Marshawn Lynch, Cedric Benson, and Pierre Thomas. This puts him right around RB25 for me.

I just can't imagine someone watching Blount play and have him ranked under so many of these players. That's really bad.

 

[Herm23]

To add something to the discussion matter, I have Blount pretty far down my rankings. In whatever order you want to put them, I rank the following ahead of him by a mile:Adrian PetersonChris JohnsonRay RiceArian FosterJamaal CharlesMJDRashard MendenhallJonathan StewartFrank GoreDarren McFaddenLeSean McCoyRyan MathewsJahvid BestSteven JacksonAhmad BradshawBeanie WellsKnowshon MorenoPeyton HillisDeAngelo WilliamsThat's 19 players that I feel confident in saying are all better bets for short and long term success than Blount. Next is the list of players that I think begin to fall into the same range as Blount and a case could be made either way:Felix JonesMichael TurnerCJ SpillerMatt ForteShonn GreeneDonald BrownCedric BensonMarshawn LynchPierre ThomasOut of this list, I would only take him over Donald Brown, Marshawn Lynch, Cedric Benson, and Pierre Thomas. This puts him right around RB25 for me.

I just can't imagine someone watching Blount play and have him ranked under so many of these players. That's really bad.

I can't imagine someone having watched Blount play and ranking him ahead of many of these players. He looks slow, he isn't explosive, he runs soft for a guy his size, and he misses holes. My eyes tell me that he is a pure product of opportunity and he has not been overly impressive with that opportunity at all. Something about one man's junk being another man's treasure comes to mind, I suppose. However, I just don't see it personally.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Just wanted to point out something to those of you that do dynasty rankings. Tom Brady is still elite. He's currently ranked 7th by F&L, 11th by SSOG, and 12th by Go Deep.Yet he's currently the #2 QB in my fantasy league.2009? Virtual 3 way tie for 6th with Romo and Rivers.2008? ACL2007? #1 by a mile.2006? #72005? #2He's 33 (1.5 years younger than Manning), and there's little reason to doubt his productivity for the next 4+ years.

A whole lot of people sold him short when Moss got traded.

Yeah, Tom Brady is elite... but I still hope he gets herpes.Signed, Angry and Drunk Jet Fan

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I never doubted Fosters ability this season, well at least not since Tate went down.

You are right, everyone is going to hit some and miss some, and i may end up being wrong about both Foster and Brady, that point just hasnt arrived yet.

You're kidding, right?

You were as staunchly anti-Foster as anyone in this thread before Tate went down. To wit: "Its not an assumption to know that Foster is barely talented enough to be in the NFL. People who are making it a conversation are guys hoping Foster is starting material, not guys who think he is. ... i just dont think he will ever be a starting NFL RB. He certainly is not worth a 7th round pick or first round rookie pick either."

For the record, you were still doubting Foster's talent after Tate went down. After I posted on Aug. 31 (2 weeks after Tate's injury) that you can "book it" on Foster being the stud in Houston, you responded thusly: "Beyond 2010? "

That's not all. You also added the following that day:

No, im just saying Foster wont be starting for the Texans for much longer than that broken down kick returner did, and it wont be because he suffered an injury either.

Im not sure if this is the best time to do it, but Foster owners should consider trading him sometime in the near future. Foster is an average talent who won the job because of injuries. If Tate and Slaton were both 100%, would anyone still think Foster was a top 20 dynasty back? He may have a good 2010, but his long term outlook is not good.

Two weeks after that you reiterated that Foster was a "great trade now in Dynasty leagues," advising owners to flip his early start straight up for C.J. Spiller.We all get players wrong from time to time, but let's not try to rewrite history here. Nobody had less faith in Foster this summer than you did.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

First time I've actually smelled a burn over the internet.

 

[az_prof]

I never doubted Fosters ability this season, well at least not since Tate went down.

You are right, everyone is going to hit some and miss some, and i may end up being wrong about both Foster and Brady, that point just hasnt arrived yet.

You're kidding, right?

You were as staunchly anti-Foster as anyone in this thread before Tate went down. To wit: "Its not an assumption to know that Foster is barely talented enough to be in the NFL. People who are making it a conversation are guys hoping Foster is starting material, not guys who think he is. ... i just dont think he will ever be a starting NFL RB. He certainly is not worth a 7th round pick or first round rookie pick either."

For the record, you were still doubting Foster's talent after Tate went down. After I posted on Aug. 31 (2 weeks after Tate's injury) that you can "book it" on Foster being the stud in Houston, you responded thusly: "Beyond 2010? "

That's not all. You also added the following that day:

No, im just saying Foster wont be starting for the Texans for much longer than that broken down kick returner did, and it wont be because he suffered an injury either.

Im not sure if this is the best time to do it, but Foster owners should consider trading him sometime in the near future. Foster is an average talent who won the job because of injuries. If Tate and Slaton were both 100%, would anyone still think Foster was a top 20 dynasty back? He may have a good 2010, but his long term outlook is not good.

Two weeks after that you reiterated that Foster was a "great trade now in Dynasty leagues," advising owners to flip his early start straight up for C.J. Spiller.We all get players wrong from time to time, but let's not try to rewrite history here. Nobody had less faith in Foster this summer than you did.

How does what someone said weeks ago matter today? How does this help us rank players or evaluate players? I guess I am missing how this pissing match is interesting to anyone. All that matters is what people have to say now about what players will do in the future, and how they justify their prognostications.

 

[Steed]

I like to see a track record.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Did someone actually ask "what does it matter what someone said a month ago, or weeks ago"? Lol, you're joking right. What people said in the past obviously matters or we wouldn't be debating things now. Wow.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I never doubted Fosters ability this season, well at least not since Tate went down.

You are right, everyone is going to hit some and miss some, and i may end up being wrong about both Foster and Brady, that point just hasnt arrived yet.

You're kidding, right?

You were as staunchly anti-Foster as anyone in this thread before Tate went down. To wit: "Its not an assumption to know that Foster is barely talented enough to be in the NFL. People who are making it a conversation are guys hoping Foster is starting material, not guys who think he is. ... i just dont think he will ever be a starting NFL RB. He certainly is not worth a 7th round pick or first round rookie pick either."

For the record, you were still doubting Foster's talent after Tate went down. After I posted on Aug. 31 (2 weeks after Tate's injury) that you can "book it" on Foster being the stud in Houston, you responded thusly: "Beyond 2010? "

That's not all. You also added the following that day:

No, im just saying Foster wont be starting for the Texans for much longer than that broken down kick returner did, and it wont be because he suffered an injury either.

Im not sure if this is the best time to do it, but Foster owners should consider trading him sometime in the near future. Foster is an average talent who won the job because of injuries. If Tate and Slaton were both 100%, would anyone still think Foster was a top 20 dynasty back? He may have a good 2010, but his long term outlook is not good.

Two weeks after that you reiterated that Foster was a "great trade now in Dynasty leagues," advising owners to flip his early start straight up for C.J. Spiller.We all get players wrong from time to time, but let's not try to rewrite history here. Nobody had less faith in Foster this summer than you did.

How does what someone said weeks ago matter today? How does this help us rank players or evaluate players? I guess I am missing how this pissing match is interesting to anyone. All that matters is what people have to say now about what players will do in the future, and how they justify their prognostications.

Perhaps we would like to know the credibility of a poster before deciding whether their views are valid to us?

 

[hook014]

Did someone actually ask "what does it matter what someone said a month ago, or weeks ago"? Lol, you're joking right. What people said in the past obviously matters or we wouldn't be debating things now. Wow.

Are we in Bizarro world now Mr. Seinfeld? Yikes!

 

[eaglesfan7]

Anyone have some info on Joe Webb of the Vikings? Tavaras Jackson put up some numbers on Sunday but made some horrible throws into double and triple coverage and if it wasn't for Sidney Rice going after those passes they may have been interceptions. I also read that he didn't look good in his decision making and throws when the coverage wasn't strong. Will Joe Webb get a shot next season? Rather have John Skelton on your dynasty roster or Webb?

 

[az_prof]

Anyone have some info on Joe Webb of the Vikings? Tavaras Jackson put up some numbers on Sunday but made some horrible throws into double and triple coverage and if it wasn't for Sidney Rice going after those passes they may have been interceptions. I also read that he didn't look good in his decision making and throws when the coverage wasn't strong. Will Joe Webb get a shot next season? Rather have John Skelton on your dynasty roster or Webb?

Tavaris is available in my dynasty league and I thought about putting in a claim on him, but thought better of it. I didn't hear Leslie Frazier give a ringing endorsement. Honestly, I suspect that the Vikings will look elsewhere for a QB next season so I am not high on Jackson or Webb, but if I had to choose, I would stick with Webb. I can imagine the Vikings making a trade for Tebow or Orton or Kolb or else drafting a rookie QB. Don't know much about Skelton.

 

[az_prof]

Did someone actually ask "what does it matter what someone said a month ago, or weeks ago"? Lol, you're joking right. What people said in the past obviously matters or we wouldn't be debating things now. Wow.

When the whole point is to puff up your chest and act like you are some sort of God because you got one right and someone else is worthless because they got one wrong, yes. It's pointless. If we are going to do that then we need a running record of every prediction anyone makes that plays next to their Sig. How far back are we going to go? I am not impressed and it doesn't help me figure out who I should be scouting as a roster stash for the off season or help me figure out who to play in the playoffs this wknd. It's about a couple guys and their egos.Frankly, I think I am going to disappear from this thread until people start acting like adults. Or maybe it is time to start a new toolfree dynasty thread.

 

[Sebowski]

Did someone actually ask "what does it matter what someone said a month ago, or weeks ago"? Lol, you're joking right. What people said in the past obviously matters or we wouldn't be debating things now. Wow.

When the whole point is to puff up your chest and act like you are some sort of God because you got one right and someone else is worthless because they got one wrong, yes. It's pointless. If we are going to do that then we need a running record of every prediction anyone makes that plays next to their Sig. How far back are we going to go? I am not impressed and it doesn't help me figure out who I should be scouting as a roster stash for the off season or help me figure out who to play in the playoffs this wknd. It's about a couple guys and their egos.Frankly, I think I am going to disappear from this thread until people start acting like adults. Or maybe it is time to start a new toolfree dynasty thread.

I think the offseason (now for most?) will thin them out. What would you playoff folk needing some WR3 help give for Donald Driver right now? Is he startable over let's say...randomly... MSW or DA?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Anyone have some info on Joe Webb of the Vikings? Tavaras Jackson put up some numbers on Sunday but made some horrible throws into double and triple coverage and if it wasn't for Sidney Rice going after those passes they may have been interceptions. I also read that he didn't look good in his decision making and throws when the coverage wasn't strong. Will Joe Webb get a shot next season? Rather have John Skelton on your dynasty roster or Webb?

I saw Skelton play only once in college and I've never seen Webb play - and obviously we've only seen either one play in preseason on a limited basis (Skelton got a few snaps last week apparently but I didn't see it) - with that said I think Webb has more of an opportunity to play next season. Favre will be gone - T. Jackson is also a free agent and my guess is that the Vikes will want to start over. That doesn't mean that Webb gets a chance, as they may bering some one else in, but I think he'll get more looks in preseason. From what I read they really like him. I did like Skelton as a prospect, but it's almost a guarntee that the Cardinals bring in a veteran QB this offseason. They need to keep Larry Fitzgerald happy before his contract ends and he bolts for greener pastures.Of course it will probably end up being that neither has a future for at least another season anyway, so go with your gut if you are taking a flyer.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Did someone actually ask "what does it matter what someone said a month ago, or weeks ago"? Lol, you're joking right. What people said in the past obviously matters or we wouldn't be debating things now. Wow.

When the whole point is to puff up your chest and act like you are some sort of God because you got one right and someone else is worthless because they got one wrong, yes. It's pointless. If we are going to do that then we need a running record of every prediction anyone makes that plays next to their Sig. How far back are we going to go? I am not impressed and it doesn't help me figure out who I should be scouting as a roster stash for the off season or help me figure out who to play in the playoffs this wknd. It's about a couple guys and their egos.Frankly, I think I am going to disappear from this thread until people start acting like adults. Or maybe it is time to start a new toolfree dynasty thread.

I think the offseason (now for most?) will thin them out. What would you playoff folk needing some WR3 help give for Donald Driver right now? Is he startable over let's say...randomly... MSW or DA?

If you were truly desperate I could see forking over a mid-second rounder, but honestly although Driver had a nice game statistically last week I don't see him being a difference maker in your fantasy playoffs. Offer a thrid and see what happens.

 

[Tau837]

maybe it is time to start a new toolfree dynasty thread.

Yeah, good luck with that...

 

[Tau837]

Anyone have some info on Joe Webb of the Vikings? Tavaras Jackson put up some numbers on Sunday but made some horrible throws into double and triple coverage and if it wasn't for Sidney Rice going after those passes they may have been interceptions. I also read that he didn't look good in his decision making and throws when the coverage wasn't strong. Will Joe Webb get a shot next season? Rather have John Skelton on your dynasty roster or Webb?

Tavaris is available in my dynasty league and I thought about putting in a claim on him, but thought better of it. I didn't hear Leslie Frazier give a ringing endorsement. Honestly, I suspect that the Vikings will look elsewhere for a QB next season so I am not high on Jackson or Webb, but if I had to choose, I would stick with Webb. I can imagine the Vikings making a trade for Tebow or Orton or Kolb or else drafting a rookie QB. Don't know much about Skelton.

The Vikings know full well what they have in Jackson, and don't forget before they brought in Favre last year, they traded for Sage Rosenfels. That told me all I needed to know about how they felt about Jackson.

It's laughable that all the talking heads lately have been saying they should bench Favre to see what they have in Jackson so they know going into the offseason whether or not to bring him back as their starter next year. It's like the Rosenfels trade never happened.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Why does everyone that puts their rankings online have such thin skin?