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Fear & Loathing
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F&L, if you have time, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the dynasty prospects of a few players. I'm down to my very last draft pick in a start-up dynasty. 23-player rosters, start 1Q+1R+1W+1T+2flex. Scoring is all TDs, plus small bonuses for games of 100+ yards (300+ yards for QBs). My team so far:
Q: Brees, Rivers, Schaub
R: LJ, Wells, Norwood, Jamaal Charles, Brandon Jxn, Mewelde, Jerome Harrison
W: Randy Moss, S.Smith (Car), Ocho, Santana Moss, S.Smith (NYG), Chris Chambers, Matt Jones, Sidney Rice
T: Winslow, Daniels, Celek, Martellus B
For my last pick, I am limited to NFC players because of some funky drafting rules. Here's who I am considering (sorted by position) and why ...
Kevin Kolb: May get traded to compete for starter job in 2010? May shoot up in value if McNabb gets hurt. I still harbor unrealistic hope for him based on Lewin.
Colt Brennan: Starter potential in late 2009 or 2010? Not sure if I believe the Hawaii hype.
Luke McCown: Only "starting" QB left undrafted. May hold the job for this season, but unlikely a long term starter. I'm already well-set at QB.
Justin Forsett: Listed as a sleeper by many. Seattle RB a quagmire in 2009, and does not seem to have size/skills to grab job long term, and certainly not to compete for TDs. (Remember the league is TD-heavy.)
Carnell Williams: Great comeback story, but buried for next few seasons.
Wynn/Lumpkin: Both have potential to serve as primary backup to Ryan Grant, and perhaps even steal a role if they can stay healthy and if Grant is ineffective. Also some goal-line potential here.
Mike Goodson: Some nice hype, but unlikely to get starter role absent injury. Not big enough to steal TDs.
Michael Clayton: A starter for now, but always a disappointment.
Muhsin Muhammad: Surprised he's still available. A nice temporary player to use in 2009 until some unknown stud appears on WW mid-season?
Kevin Curtis: Really surprised he's still available. A nice temporary player to use in 2009 until some unknown stud appears on WW mid-season?
Laurent Robinson: Potential to start in StL. Situation and history suggests long-term value is limited though.
Mario Manningham: Competing to start in NY. Crowded competition.
Malcolm Kelly: Competing to start in DC. WR#2 is best likely result.
After laying out these thoughts, I'm leaning toward either Kevin Curtis or D.Wynn (with Laurent Robinson or one of the QBs as a distant 3rd choice). Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks much in advance.
Q: Brees, Rivers, Schaub
R: LJ, Wells, Norwood, Jamaal Charles, Brandon Jxn, Mewelde, Jerome Harrison
W: Randy Moss, S.Smith (Car), Ocho, Santana Moss, S.Smith (NYG), Chris Chambers, Matt Jones, Sidney Rice
T: Winslow, Daniels, Celek, Martellus B
For my last pick, I am limited to NFC players because of some funky drafting rules. Here's who I am considering (sorted by position) and why ...
Kevin Kolb: May get traded to compete for starter job in 2010? May shoot up in value if McNabb gets hurt. I still harbor unrealistic hope for him based on Lewin.
Colt Brennan: Starter potential in late 2009 or 2010? Not sure if I believe the Hawaii hype.
Luke McCown: Only "starting" QB left undrafted. May hold the job for this season, but unlikely a long term starter. I'm already well-set at QB.
Justin Forsett: Listed as a sleeper by many. Seattle RB a quagmire in 2009, and does not seem to have size/skills to grab job long term, and certainly not to compete for TDs. (Remember the league is TD-heavy.)
Carnell Williams: Great comeback story, but buried for next few seasons.
Wynn/Lumpkin: Both have potential to serve as primary backup to Ryan Grant, and perhaps even steal a role if they can stay healthy and if Grant is ineffective. Also some goal-line potential here.
Mike Goodson: Some nice hype, but unlikely to get starter role absent injury. Not big enough to steal TDs.
Michael Clayton: A starter for now, but always a disappointment.
Muhsin Muhammad: Surprised he's still available. A nice temporary player to use in 2009 until some unknown stud appears on WW mid-season?
Kevin Curtis: Really surprised he's still available. A nice temporary player to use in 2009 until some unknown stud appears on WW mid-season?
Laurent Robinson: Potential to start in StL. Situation and history suggests long-term value is limited though.
Mario Manningham: Competing to start in NY. Crowded competition.
Malcolm Kelly: Competing to start in DC. WR#2 is best likely result.
After laying out these thoughts, I'm leaning toward either Kevin Curtis or D.Wynn (with Laurent Robinson or one of the QBs as a distant 3rd choice). Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks much in advance.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I wouldn't touch Curtis. I am not convinced he is 100% yet, and by the time he is, he'll be the 5th option in Philly (RB, DeSean, Maclin, Celek, him). Plus they have a FB to throw to now. He wasn't consistent in his breakout year 2 years ago to begin with, and he'll be even less so now. I'd rather take a stab at potential than take him or Muhammad. What about Turner, Barden, Schilens, Rideau? Laurent has some potential but doesn't seem like a TD threat.
Barden & Schilens are gone. For Turner, are you talking about the guy from Miami (Patrick maybe)? If so, I can't get him because limited to NFC (and I think he might have been selected a round ago anyway). I had avoided researching Rideau and other Chicago WRs because so much uncertainty there, but maybe I should look closer. Bennett and Knox are long gone. Iglesias and Rideau are still available, and I think Rashied Davis too. The pile-up of WR3s in TB (Slaughter, Jackson, Stovall, etc) is still available, but not too tempting. In the end, whoever I pick is going to be a deep backup for my team, so I guess really should swing for the fences on someone who may have significant potential in the long term. Not many of the WRs available seem to have that long-term potential. That's what first got me thinking about the prospects for QBs Kolb and Brennan.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Yeah I meant the Miami WR. Deon Butler is another name to throw out there. He's a slot guy, but I still think there's some RZ potential if Branch is not the same. Sam Hurd is another sleeper to consider from NFC.I like Brennan a little bit. Hard to say about QB value in your scoring format. I think he will get a chance to start eventually, he did great last preseason, and the staff seems to like him. Everyone's a gamble at this point.Rideau is this year's Hixon. Good shot for short term value, mediocre shot for long term value. His height might make him a better RZ threat than Bennett/Hester.
Magnus_CA
Footballguy
I like Hurd but I'm not sure he fits your format very well.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
It will probably be a few days, maybe even a week. We have a draft coming up for a new league with guys from this thread. Holding off on the updates may be the only way for me to get a couple of the guys I like at a decent price.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Kolb: I was fascinated with Lewin when he first came out with it, but I don't have enough faith in its predictive powers to let it affect fantasy football choices. The one position you don't need is QB.Brennan: Interesting stash in deep leagues, but he's never going to get a legit shot in D.C. Snyder will bring in a big name before letting Brennan run the offense.McCown: I now believe Leftwich will win the job.Forsett: His path to carries isn't exactly blocked by stellar backs. Not a good bet in TD-heavy leagues. A 7th round talent.Caddy: Done. He was never a fantasy asset after the first month of his career anyway.Wynn/Lumpin: Here's where it gets interesting. A now-committed Wynn is more talented and more skilled than Ryan Grant, but he just can't stay healthy. Lumpkin can't stay healthy either, but the head coach loves him. Goodson: Interesting talent, but probably a third-down back. Not a good pick in TD-heavy leagues.Mi.Clayton: Sean Dawkins All-Star. Blech.Muhammad: Meh. I don't like old mediocrities at WR in Dynasty leagues.Curtis: I think his window is closing. Philly will spread the ball around too much on offense.Laurent: Very interesting. Will be the No. 1 until Avery comes back, and then he'll be the No. 2. Good size and 4.38 speed playing in a dome.Manningham: Personally, I don't like the guy, but he's said to be having a good offseason/camp. Kelly: The knees, man, the knees. Will he ever stay healthy?I would go 1. Wynn 2. L.Robinson
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I didn't know he was low. We've talked about him several times over the past 5-10 pages, and I'll readily admit that I don't have a good read on his value. I'll have to watch him some more, but my initial impression is that he's not a special talent. I don't rank RBs who aren't special that high unless they're in a great offense. I think he could be a guy who only has a starting NFL job for a year or two. Re: The "unproven rookie." It doesn't bother me at all to rank unproven guys high in Dynasty leagues, especially if I believe in their talent.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I have no idea if he's going to be "the next big thing," but I think his ceiling is higher than any other rookie TE. I also like his situation, with Scaife a free agent after the season.
FWIW, I watched the guy in college and I came away believing that he's an RB with a good-but-not-great NFL skillset, with one exception- he's got crazy-elite durability. He's not very special on any given carry, but if you're looking for someone to give you 500 replacement-level carries in a single season, by golly, he's your guy.I think he might have some decent fantasy value simply because of his potential to shoulder an obscene workload, but I don't think he's a special talent. I think he upside is Eddie George- his team develops blinders because the fans love him and therefore keep feeding him the rock despite the fact that he's already proven time and time again that he's not really going to do anything with it that his backup couldn't have done (although he'll do it more frequently!).I could be wrong- it certainly wouldn't be the first time- but I don't think he has much long-term future in the league.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Rivers: I tend to believe last year was the perfect storm and will stand out as a career year, but I'm not married to the idea. He's a guy that I'd just assume let someone else draft if they believe he's going to be Top-5 every year.Palmer: He's a health risk with the elbow. Also, it's kind of hard to tell from the numbers, but he just hasn't been the same QB since the knee injury. Part of that is the O-Line, but he's also been overthrowing receivers for the past few years. I personally don't draft Bengals, so he's not a guy I would go for even at his reduced price. That said, the offseason reviews for Chris Henry and Caldwell are nice. Wells: I've heard him described as 95% of Adrian Peterson, but I don't quite see that. I've compared him to a young Jamal Lewis. I don't worry about Hightower at all, so I think Wells will be starting sooner rather than later. He has the talent to put up a lot of rushing yards and TDs, but his receiving numbers will probably never be even average.Rice: Who would you drop if you moved him up the rankings? I like him better in PPR leagues. The Ravens love that 3-headed attack, so I think the value is more for 2010 and beyond. Is McClain the goal-line guy for the next few years? If so, that puts a serious hurt on Rice's value.Brown: I have no idea. I've never seen him play. It looks to me like he's a committee back for the next 2 years, though it's possible he could send Addai to the bench before then. Harvin: I said a week or two ago that I would easily take him at No. 3 in rookie drafts and would consider him at No. 2. Moreno is the only one I would definitely draft ahead of him.
Good thoughts. Thanks F&L, and thanks also to others that responded.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I haven't looked at anybody's since I had a FBG subscription a few years ago. It's not really a matter of worrying about polluting my fantasy football groundwater. It's more that I don't really have the time, and I honestly don't know who else even does Dynasty rankings. I've seen a few lists over the past couple of years, but I usually just browse through, note some major discrepancies, and forget about it.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Reed is worth mentioning more than Hixon.You can't mention Hardy's rookie stats to knock him then mention Manningham was a 3rd rounder to support him.Just because Boss has a TD every 5 catches right now doesn't mean Manning can throw him the ball 100 times and expect 20 TDs. It is absurd to insinuate anything like that, and it is legitimate to question hw many TD catches he will have. I mentioned Lynch not because he is a pass catcher, but because a good running game keeps the defense honest. The Giants might appear to be a more favorable destination for free agents, but I can't think of any offensive FAs they've landed not name Burress. But if we're playing that game how about: the Bills have a better chance of drafting a top ten WR.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Edwards. I put MUCH more stock in a higher ceiling than a low floor in my dynasty QB rankings, and I see a bigger difference in their ceilings than you do. ShEli might be starting in the NFL for the next 5 years, but I bet he won't be starting for many dynasty league champions in that span. I think Edwards has a much better chance of doing that. Especially the year we happen to be ranking them. This one.
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stevegamer
Footballguy
Any thoughts on the following guys who may be there end of the 1st/early 2nd in a dynasty league:
Mark Sanchez
James Davis
Bernard Scott
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt
Darius Heyward-Bey
I'm not a fan of Sanchez, but I feel as though it's either him or one of the RB's. I can't pick between the WR's.
Mark Sanchez
James Davis
Bernard Scott
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt
Darius Heyward-Bey
I'm not a fan of Sanchez, but I feel as though it's either him or one of the RB's. I can't pick between the WR's.
identikit
Footballguy
You'd be lucky to have Nicks available then.
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awesomeness
Guest
Nicks is gonna be a stud, and he'll likely be drafted as such.
EBF
Footballguy
IMO1. Nicks2. Sanchez3. Heyward-Bey4. BrittWouldn't bother with the other two that high.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
DHB - Highest ceiling of the bunch, and i think he is better than popular opinion here on this board. Nicks - Maybe a slightly safer pick than DHB, but not as talented or the upside. Britt - Limited by being on a run first/run often team, but i believe is just as talented as Nicks, if not more.Sanchez - Not really sold on him, the only real reason i have him ranked ahead of Davis is for his perceived value.Davis - I truly think he will get a shot to start this year, and has a decent chance of succeeding.Scott - Has the talent, just not sure if he has it upstairs.
I'm not a fan of rookie QBs (I feel like their risk is far too high, their reward is far too low, and their cost is at its peak). Consider the elite fantasy QBs in the league right now- Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers. Outside of Manning and Cutler, all took a lot of seasoning to show their true fantasy worth, and all could have been acquired much more cheaply as a 2nd or 3rd year player than they could as a rookie. Besides, QBs remain elite for such a long time that it's relatively rare for a new QB to make the jump into that stratosphere (which gets back into the high bust rate of rookie QBs). Best case scenario, you've got a guy sitting on your bench for a couple of years before he finally pays dividends. Worst case scenario, you've got a guy sitting on your bench for a couple of years who never pays dividends. I'd rather use other teams as a developmental squad for my QBs- let them hold on for a year or two and then trade for them on the cheap.
With that said, I do like Mark Sanchez, and I do think he'll make a good NFL QB. I'd just rather not waste a roster spot and a 1st round draft pick on him in the meantime. Even if he goes for the #8 draft pick this year... odds are pretty good you'd be able to trade the #8 draft pick for him next year straight up, which means you'd come out ahead (in comparison to drafting him at #8 this year).
With that said, I do like Mark Sanchez, and I do think he'll make a good NFL QB. I'd just rather not waste a roster spot and a 1st round draft pick on him in the meantime. Even if he goes for the #8 draft pick this year... odds are pretty good you'd be able to trade the #8 draft pick for him next year straight up, which means you'd come out ahead (in comparison to drafting him at #8 this year).
Sebowski
Footballguy
This does not work in my league. Good QB prospects are very hard to trade for. Of all the guys we mentioned only Brady and Brees could have been scooped off the wire or traded for more cheaply than a rookie draft pick (which has a terrible success rate regardless of position). If you want a top 5 QB you better draft one. Owners don't like trading anyone they have held on to for a couple years and have a chance to breakout on the cheap. Most would rather crash and burn at that point.
kremenull
Footballguy
I'll add a couple of names to your existing list, guys who should definitely be listed amongst this group....1. Sanchez - kid is very legit. he's bright, has all the tools, accurate, and he has "moxie", i.e., swagger, the "it" factor2. DHB - Don't believe all the naysayers and negative early reports. this kid is working like a demon, already improving on his route running, going up against Nnamdi on a regular basis, and it will payoff in the end3. Nicks - Not quite as high on him as everyone else appears to be...I have him only slightly ahead of my next guy4. Robiskie - will be very solid yet unspectacular. nothing wrong with that as he'll simply have a strong career - think T.J. Housh type of career5. (tie) Davis/A.Brown - Both have very good skill sets, Brown is more athletic overall, Davis is much more instinctive. the opportunity for Davis to hit the field quicker appears to be much better (only aging Jamal currently in his way), however I would not make the choice based simply off of that. Brown has more long-term upside, and has the receiving skills and the frame to be a featured runner, and I'm of the belief that Jacobs will not have a lengthy career due to his running style, the job could be wide open in about 2 seasons (after 2010)6. Scott - intriguing player.....very much so. If I had a truly stacked team already with no immediate needs, then maybe, just maybe, I take this guy in the range you're speaking of 7. Britt - wouldn't touch him in this range.....actually, let me be totally honest, wouldn't touch him at any range
BigJim®
Footballguy
F&L, great thread as I've said before. One WR who I see as being a diamond in the rough is Ramses Barden. Currently you have him:
111. Ramses Barden, NYG | Age: 23.7 | Value Score: 2
The press coming out of camp has been pretty glowing:
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/08...eceivers_a.html
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/gia...-zone-1.1363445
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index...p;thread=343827
Given the unique size/speed of Barden, and the absence of P.Burress as a red-zone target, I see this guy as a huge buy low at a time when everyone is focusing on Nicks. I know guys pooh pooh use of youtube to evaluate prospects, but I look at various clips of Barden in games, participating in the 2009 skills competition, etc., and am a bit bewildered he's not a more hyped rookie. I can see why the Giants traded up for him. A lot of FFers are going to miss the boat on this guy.
111. Ramses Barden, NYG | Age: 23.7 | Value Score: 2
The press coming out of camp has been pretty glowing:
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/08...eceivers_a.html
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/gia...-zone-1.1363445
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index...p;thread=343827
Given the unique size/speed of Barden, and the absence of P.Burress as a red-zone target, I see this guy as a huge buy low at a time when everyone is focusing on Nicks. I know guys pooh pooh use of youtube to evaluate prospects, but I look at various clips of Barden in games, participating in the 2009 skills competition, etc., and am a bit bewildered he's not a more hyped rookie. I can see why the Giants traded up for him. A lot of FFers are going to miss the boat on this guy.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I have those rookies as:
1. Nicks
2. Sanchez
3. Britt
4. DHB
5. J.Davis
6. B.Scott
1. Nicks
2. Sanchez
3. Britt
4. DHB
5. J.Davis
6. B.Scott
stevegamer
Footballguy
Glad to see the thoughts on the guys I listed. I was trying to specifically make this NOT about my specific team, so I will add my thoughts - since there's not a lot to be gaind by my opponents from me doing so.
Sanchez: I'm not buying the hype. He's a one year starter from USC that was surrounded by tons of talent. Additionally, for him to be a significant contributor - he needs to finish as QB8+ regularly. I'm not seeing that from what I expect the Jets offense will look like.
Heyward-Bey: Ugh, the Raiders. draft another tools fool who needs fundamentals. I do think he's got significant upside, but a msall chance to reach it. However, for a team swinging for the fences at the end of round 1, he makes sense.
Nicks: Like the player a lot, love the situation. No barriers to playing time, except for a bunch of other young receivers. Not quite as high an upside, but I think has a steadier floor than DHB.
Robiskie: I don't think he's ever a team's WR1. And I know fluke things happen - I had Drew Bennett one year. His high floor & likelihood of a long career doesn't entice me to take him at the 1/2 turn. If he's there at the 2/3 turn, heck yeah.
Britt: I'm not sure what to think of him. Rutgers skill position guys have flamed out (Smith, McMahon) - Rice looks like he may be the exception. TEN hasn't had a productive WR in ages, since Bennett/Mason, and that was a different system. I'd pass on him here.
Davis: I really like him. Value is down due to a poor senior year, but he seems to have talent - and I think he fits as a guy who can move the sticks. Browns a looking for a new RB. I'd put him at the top of theis list if you need a RB.
A Brown: I realize Draftguys are high on him, but didn't realize how high. I'm not sure how to project him, as the #3RB on a team that seems to have a good three-headed plan in place. Situation seems pretty bad to me. I also think he might be available later.
Scott: Another guy who has warts, but has a chance to seize a job with good play. Benson may have turned the corner, though, and if that's true, he's got a major roadblock.
I am suddenly realizing I may be talking myself into taking DHB or Nicks.
And for full disclosure, Davis is gone - I took him with the first of my two picks at the end of the first.
Sanchez: I'm not buying the hype. He's a one year starter from USC that was surrounded by tons of talent. Additionally, for him to be a significant contributor - he needs to finish as QB8+ regularly. I'm not seeing that from what I expect the Jets offense will look like.
Heyward-Bey: Ugh, the Raiders. draft another tools fool who needs fundamentals. I do think he's got significant upside, but a msall chance to reach it. However, for a team swinging for the fences at the end of round 1, he makes sense.
Nicks: Like the player a lot, love the situation. No barriers to playing time, except for a bunch of other young receivers. Not quite as high an upside, but I think has a steadier floor than DHB.
Robiskie: I don't think he's ever a team's WR1. And I know fluke things happen - I had Drew Bennett one year. His high floor & likelihood of a long career doesn't entice me to take him at the 1/2 turn. If he's there at the 2/3 turn, heck yeah.
Britt: I'm not sure what to think of him. Rutgers skill position guys have flamed out (Smith, McMahon) - Rice looks like he may be the exception. TEN hasn't had a productive WR in ages, since Bennett/Mason, and that was a different system. I'd pass on him here.
Davis: I really like him. Value is down due to a poor senior year, but he seems to have talent - and I think he fits as a guy who can move the sticks. Browns a looking for a new RB. I'd put him at the top of theis list if you need a RB.
A Brown: I realize Draftguys are high on him, but didn't realize how high. I'm not sure how to project him, as the #3RB on a team that seems to have a good three-headed plan in place. Situation seems pretty bad to me. I also think he might be available later.
Scott: Another guy who has warts, but has a chance to seize a job with good play. Benson may have turned the corner, though, and if that's true, he's got a major roadblock.
I am suddenly realizing I may be talking myself into taking DHB or Nicks.
And for full disclosure, Davis is gone - I took him with the first of my two picks at the end of the first.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I have Robiskie on my 10-foot pole list. I wouldn't touch him.
People laugh about the Percy Harvin hype, but at least he's deserving. Robiskie has done nothing to deserve the hype he received all offseason. It was all generated from a better than expected forty time and a few blurbs from the beat reporters during OTAs.
People laugh about the Percy Harvin hype, but at least he's deserving. Robiskie has done nothing to deserve the hype he received all offseason. It was all generated from a better than expected forty time and a few blurbs from the beat reporters during OTAs.
In that case, grab Sanchez, because he's legit.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I'm interested in the board's opinions of some of the second-tier dynasty TEs this year. Brent Celek is available in my league. And he seems to be a decent, cheap choice right now. But I've been hearing good things about Jermichael Finley. The Finley reports make it sound like he has a good chance to have a solid season.
I will be priced out of the top 5 to 8 TEs, most likely. So I am wondering which TEs you think will have the most upside. Looking more for help this year than the future, as TEs are not that hard to acquire in my league.
I will be priced out of the top 5 to 8 TEs, most likely. So I am wondering which TEs you think will have the most upside. Looking more for help this year than the future, as TEs are not that hard to acquire in my league.
I think with the Eagles in the shape they are defensivley and the opportunity they have to score points this year, Celek is a great tightend to have.He would be my opinion, I am sure you will get a few more.
I'm not sold on Celek's long term viability, but he's an easy short - term choice! He could approach the top ten this year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
What are your thoughts on Stafford SSOG? He seems to be getting good camp vibes (meaningless) and has CJ to throw to for awhile...
Sebowski
Footballguy
I actually took Stafford instead.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
What pick did you take him at?
stevegamer
Footballguy
I like Celek quite a bit. I was recommending him late last year as a guy to stash, and he was really good in the playoffs. He isn't the falshiest physical specimen, but he catches well, and can get open fairly consistently. He's the anti-LJ Smith, who was a physical specimen who couldn't stay healthy or catch reliably.
I'd expect him to be the Eagles starting TE for the next few years - I think the repeat ACL tear is pretty much the end for Ingram.
I'd expect him to be the Eagles starting TE for the next few years - I think the repeat ACL tear is pretty much the end for Ingram.
I'm not a big Matthew Stafford fan. For all the hype about him in college, he never looked that good, imo. He has NFL-caliber tools, but I would have liked to see more NFL-caliber decision-making from him. His comp% was very low as a freshman and sophomore, and still lowish as a junior (for an elite college prospect, at least), although he had a very strong ypa which helps mitigate that somewhat. The double-digit INTs every season of his career thing is a bit of a red flag, to me, as was his production against the best defenses he faced (though I guess that's true of most college QBs). For comparison, Jay Cutler played with a much worse supporting cast and had almost 100 more attempts his last year in school, but still threw one fewer INT. His stats are actually comparable to Eli Manning's coming out of college, but I wasn't that high on Eli, either. Both Stafford and Eli gave me the feeling they were drafted more for their tools than their mental game.All of this comes with two huge caveats. First, QB is the hardest position for me to look at and say "that guy's going to make it" or "that guy doesn't have an NFL game". RB, WR, or TE, if I see them play I can form some opinion on whether their skills will translate to the NFL, but QB involves a lot more guesswork for me. Second, my default position on QBs tends to be one of skepticism. I didn't like Eli or Leinart or Young, but I also didn't like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. I tend to err on the side of QBs being likely busts. I do, however, like Sanchez more than any QB since Cutler, for whatever that's worth.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Thanks for all the feedback on Celek, people.
Anyone want to chime in on Finley? I may reserve two slots for TE and draft them both.
Anyone want to chime in on Finley? I may reserve two slots for TE and draft them both.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Thanks for your input. I did not like Eli, Lienart, Young, Flacco, or Ryan myself (Ryan's success really surprised me). Although I was not overly impressed with Stafford's body of work in college I keep hearing great things about him that are grabbing my attention. I am not going to fish for links but comments about his intelligence, ability to grasp the offense, progressing through reads well, looking off coverage are very positive remarks. Of course I am also a desperate Lion's fan who may be biased in opinion. Love the kids arm and he has Calvin. IMO from a fantasy perspective he provides much bigger potential than Sanchez.SSOG said:
so i'm sold on harvin at the 1.4 this year, i need WR help and i believe harvin to be the most exciting guy at that position this year, but i have on my table the 1.4, 3.4, 2010 2nd rounder and micheal bush for B. Edwards, Harvin is the only thing keeping me off this trade, i'm leaning towards yes because i need to make this trade for roster space, after 4 rookie picks i'll have 26 players on a 20 man roster, is harvin exciting enough to give him up this trade and look elsewhere for a "3 for 1"
SierraKiloBravo
Footballguy
Is it possible to mock the top 10 in a rookie draft? I know that to a certain extent it's based on need. I just started doing my homework for my rookie / free agent draft and I know what the people drafting in front of me need. Seems like Moreno / McCoy / Harvin / Brown / Stafford should be the top 5, but I'm not entirely certain.
In semi-related news, the guy drafting at 1.01 is a moron, needs a QB and Vick is a free agent.
In semi-related news, the guy drafting at 1.01 is a moron, needs a QB and Vick is a free agent.
Slightly off topic, but related to the Harvin love-fest... someone just grabbed Harvin at 8.6 in an 8-team Keeper League I do every year (players keep for a pick 2 rounds higher than they were picked the year before). At that price, he can have him.
Of course, the guy also took Roy Williams as a top-12 WR, so I don't know how representative he really is.
Of course, the guy also took Roy Williams as a top-12 WR, so I don't know how representative he really is.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
If you trust F&L, he has Harvin ahead of Braylon before he ever plays a down. Probably 1.4 whoever you take is worth more than Edwards at this point in time. 6 guys is a lot to drop, but I think you could parlay that package into a better "win now" WR like Wayne.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Where's Beanie Wells? He's been the consensus No. 2 for the most part. A training camp ankle injury shouldn't knock him down ... and certainly not out for the Top-5.
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