fsufan
Footballguy
here is the offical offer
Why are you wasting time asking what to do here?........HIT THE TRADE ACCEPT/OFFER BUTTON NOW!!!
i give LT, sporles and caddy
i get stewart, portis and hester
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i give LT, sporles and caddy
i get stewart, portis and hester
thatguy
Footballguy
Do it, like, yesterday.here is the offical offer
i give LT, sporles and caddy
i get stewart, portis and hester
accept!
editor47
Footballguy
that trade is even better for you. do it.
Wait, so in addition to giving away Stewart for an RB on his last legs and Jerious Norwood West, he'll also throw in a starter-caliber WR and a decent RB3 in exchange for a never was? You mean you couldn't get him to throw in Mendenhall for Ladell Betts while you were at it?There's really nothing to consider here. Tomlinson, Sproles, and Caddy are all dynasty junk. They're filler. Tomlinson probably has a year left of top-24 production. I'd bet that Sproles and Caddy don't even have that. They're emergency depth. On the other hand, Stewart is a potential top-5 RB, Portis is a passable RB2 at least for the rest of the year (at worst, he's better emergency depth than the three guys you're giving up), and Hester's a guy we've been discussing for the past couple of pages and who has been steadily moving up the rankings. Other than Patrick Crayton for Antonio Gates, that's the most lopsided dynasty trade I've ever seen.fsufan said:
Geez, reading a bunch of threads around here on some of what I thought were my "high upside" backups, it appears I'm doing it wrong. I have Sproles, Norwood, Choice, and Bush. I have been hopeful that Norwood gets a shot somewhere next year- is that not going to happen? Should I start offering these guys up for mere draft picks? (In re: to Norwood, I also have Turner)
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Thoughts on Roethlisberger moving forward?
fsufan
Footballguy
Portis is in the same boat as LT- done- shells of themselvesyou say Stewart is a top 5 potential RB. i do not see it. I see RBBC in Carolina for 3 to 4 more years.
thatguy
Footballguy
Have you still not accepted? Portis IMO is a bit more valuable than LT, but you're right in that their situation's are similar. Both are nearing the end, but I think LT is closer than Portis.Stewart absolutely has top 5 potential. An injury to DWill and he's instant top 5. But even if that doesn't happen, he's far too talented not to force his way into more carries, which should make anything from a very good RB3 to a solid RB2 even with DWill in the picture. Depending on what the Panthers do with DWill after next season, JStew could be their bell cow as early as 2011.
I was all over Norwood a couple of years ago, but at some point, you have to accept that NFL coaches know more than we do. It's like with Mewelde Moore. Everyone on the planet knew he was the most talented RB in Minnesota. Everyone on the planet knew he was the most talented RB in Pittsburgh. Despite that, THREE different coaching staffs used him as a change of pace back rather than featuring him. At some point, you've gotta just accept that there's something to it and move on. In Norwood's case, when he had a clear shot at the starting job in Atlanta and the front office instead paid uber bucks for Michael Turner so they wouldn't have to turn it over to Norwood. You don't pay megabucks for a free agent RB if you think you've already got the guy on your roster. Since then, I've stopped looking at Norwood as a high-upside developmental player and started looking at him as an absurdly good NFL player and a quality asset to any franchise... as a change of pace back.The reason why I call Leon Washington "Norwood North" and Sproles "Norwood West" is because both front offices have shown the exact same unwillingness to commit to those two guys as a featured RB. It's not a knock on Norwood, Washington, or Sproles, any more than it was a knock on MeMo- just because they're not featured RB material doesn't mean they're not good NFL players. They're all just guys who are better NFL assets than fantasy assets, which means people will see how great they look on the field and consistently overrate them.Choice and Bush are good developmental backs, though. I think they're both featured RB material, although that doesn't make them studs in the making (any more than it did for Chester Taylor, Lamont Jordan, etc). If I could get good value in return for them, I'd have no trouble moving them. If I couldn't, I'd have no trouble holding them.
I had him as my dynasty QB5 a couple of weeks ago, but that's about where he tops out. I don't think he has much chance to move up in my rankings from there.
I agree that Portis is a shell. Did you notice how I described him as maybe a top 24 RB going forward? For a guy who has never in his career not been a fantasy RB1, that's a shell. It's just that the Portis Shell is still worth more than the Tomlinson Shell. Portis Shell is currently RB16 in my fantasy league. Yes, he's a shell, but he's still producing starter-caliber numbers for the time being.As for Stewart... I see two more years of RBBC in Carolina, tops. Do you know how old Stewart will be 2 years from now? 24, or the same age as rookie RB Shonn Greene. If it's an RBBC for 3-4 more years like you predict, then Stewart will be 25 or 26. DeAngelo was 25 and Turner was 26 when they got their first shot as a starter, and that didn't seem to prevent them from putting up top 5 rankings. And this is entirely ignoring the possibility of an injury to DeAngelo (4 years from now, he'll be 30...), and it's also ignoring the fact that RBs can put up top 5 rankings in an RBBC- as evidenced by Stewart's own teammate last season. Stewart is absolutely oozing top 5 potential. Strictly physically speaking, he's basically a Steven Jackson or Ronnie Brown clone... only bigger and faster.
I'd definitely trade Crabtree for Turner, and I'm not high on Turner. If nothing else, I'd rather have Michael Turner than C.J. Spiller, and I'd rather have Dez Bryant than Michael Crabtree, so if that trade frees you to use your #1 overall on Bryant instead, it has to be considered a win. Since you're rebuilding, Turner's not really ideal (he's a bit on the old side, he'll be at the end of his window just as you're becoming competitive), but if all else fails, you can turn around and trade him for someone else later.
editor47
Footballguy
SSOG:
How much longer do you give Turner as a legit RB1? He doesn't have the overall carries on his body of someone his age. But he did have a ton last year and had a lot more through 4 games or so this year. I thought he looked 'slow' for someone who was nicknamed 'The Burner' coming out of college on Sunday against the Cowboys. His SOS is tremendous the rest of the year.
Thanks.
How much longer do you give Turner as a legit RB1? He doesn't have the overall carries on his body of someone his age. But he did have a ton last year and had a lot more through 4 games or so this year. I thought he looked 'slow' for someone who was nicknamed 'The Burner' coming out of college on Sunday against the Cowboys. His SOS is tremendous the rest of the year.
Thanks.
This year and next year. Two years from now, possibly. I wouldn't be looking to hold pat on him- I'd probably try and turn around and trade him for something more later on. What I like about the trade is that you're getting 10 Euros for $5 American. Sure, you might not really be in the market for Euros, but you're getting a substantial value upgrade and you can always trade it for $9 American somewhere else. You have a better feel for your league than I do, but if it were me, I would be confident in my ability to turn Turner around for another player that fit my plans better- maybe an RB like Jon Stewart, Ray Rice, or Knowshon Moreno, or else a WR that I preferred to Crabtree, a VJax/DJax/Roddy/Colston type. If your league never trades, or if your leaguemates really hate Turner, then maybe you should think twice before acquiring Turner, because he really doesn't fit with your window. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm not high on Turner, but I recognize the fact that his perceived value is much higher than Crabtree's, which makes this a good opportunity to add value to your roster.
mulliganman
Footballguy
I agree that Benson is more talented than Grant. He'll probably move up a little bit, but I still think he's a prime sell-high.
I'll bite. Who would you sell him for in a keeper/dynasty league?
I'll bite. Who would you sell him for in a keeper/dynasty league?
Looking strictly at RBs, and in no particular order:ADP, MJD, SJax, Chris Johnson, Gore, Moreno, Turner, Ronnie, DeAngelo, Forte, Ray Rice, J. Stewart, Kevin Smith, Lynch, Mendenhall, McFadden, Wells, Donald Brown, Shady McCoy. I'd consider a trade for Jacobs, MBIII, or Slaton to be running in place (i.e. no real gain or loss).
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
I want to commend you on you helping members with well thought out responses SSOG.
Keep up the good work bro.
Keep up the good work bro.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I want to commend you on you helping members with well thought out responses SSOG. Keep up the good work bro.
SSOG rocks!
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Dead on. Also, that his coaches want to keep taking responsibilities away from him instead of adding to his workload. Wait, isn't his coaching staff a plus? Zone-blocking with Kyle Shanahan and Gary Kubiak. He's never going to do better from a coaching staff point of view.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I loathe these questions. Where do you start? Um, Larry Fitz. Adrian Peterson. MJD. Chris Johnson. S-Jax. Shine him up and package him with a few Pierre Garcons and Miles Austins and get a legit stud.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Will still be an under-rated stud.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Well, you need to stop collecting role players in hopes that they'll become starters. Norwood and Sproles were never going to become anything more than complementary backs. Choice is a very good stash. I've always kind of liked Bush as a speculative stash, but his inability to outproduce Fargas is pretty damning. It's well past to give up the ghost on Norwood. He was never going to be a starter.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I like Pierre better by quite a bit. He's simply a more effective football player.BringItOn said:
schurov
Footballguy
Is Shonn Greene very far from this group in your opinion ?PS Thank you for your insightful comments.
It'd be one thing if F&L was pimping him THIS offseason. Currently he has Vernon ranked in tier 4. I'm not sure he should get a ton of credit for predicting this breakout this season.
95% of the time, upside is a dirty word. The only way an RB can possibly have "upside" is if he hasn't done anything. You know who's a real high-upside RB? Adrian Peterson. Steven Jackson. Maurice Jones-Drew. Nobody talks about THEIR upside... because they actually produce on the football field. Upside is nothing more than a poor man's potential.
Yup. I didn't think very highly of him coming out, and 31 NFL franchises agreed, letting him fall to the 3rd. Working in his favor, the one franchise that really liked him traded most of their day 2 to get him. Working against him... that franchise also passed on him a couple of times before trading their day 2 to get him, so it's not like they viewed him as an absolutely indispensable player. New York is an underrated run-blocking team, but their line is starting to get a bit long in the tooth (Damien Woody? Alan Faneca?). Leon Washington is always going to play a role on the team. As Sanchez matures, the rushing attempts will drop a bit. Mostly, though, I'm just going to need more than one good game to change my initial impression- and I'm probably going to need to see him do it, too. Right now, the mental impression that I've formed of Shonn Greene is that he's a decent but replaceable talent. He's not a Rashard Mendenhall, biding his time for a starting job. Mendenhall was a 1st rounder.
No one can truly predict breakouts. No one would have said before the season that Smith North was a top 5 fantasy WR. Nobody could have said before last season that Drew Brees would throw for 5,000 yards. Nobody could have predicted that Elvis Dumervil was going to have double-digit sacks by the end of game 6, or that Denver would have arguably the best defense in the league, or that the 13-3 Titans would be 0-6, or that Tom Brady would throw 5 TDs in a single quarter. I'd argue that anyone who predicted those things was just guessing, and happened to get lucky. Some things in football simply defy all logic and reason. Every year there are going to be results that simply cannot be forseen. In the end, though... that doesn't matter. It's never a question of predicting a player would break out, it's simply a question of being higher on him than anyone else. If everyone else thought that Smith North was WR50, and I had him ranked as WR30... then no, I didn't correctly peg his breakout, but I *DID* identify that there was value there, and I also wound up with him in every league. What does it matter if he's outperforming even my own expectations, as long as he's on my own team?The question then becomes twofold. First off, was F&L higher on Vernon Davis than the general consensus this offseason? I don't really know the answer to that, but I do know that Davis has been discussed several times and F&L has always been higher on him than the consensus. Second off, were the principals behind F&L's support of Davis sound? In this case, the answer is a resounding "yes". The whole reason F&L was higher on Davis was because he preferred players with a better chance of reaching top 5 status, even if their chance of reaching top 12 status was lower (i.e. Davis is a better TE than a guy like Heath Miller, who's a near lock for a top 12 finish but a longshot for a top 5 finish). The fact that Vernon Davis is now producing top 5 numbers just shows that the original premise was sound.It'd be one thing if F&L was pimping him THIS offseason. Currently he has Vernon ranked in tier 4. I'm not sure he should get a ton of credit for predicting this breakout this season.
editor47
Footballguy
On the first bolded point, I think you are giving it way too much importance. Brian Westbrook wasn't a first-round draft pick. Terrell Davis went in the 6th round. All it takes is an opportunity. And Shonn Greene has one now. The Jets would have to pay $5.6 million to keep TJones next yaer. He was as good as gone a week ago. Now, and to address point 2, there's a gaping hole in the Jets run game - as big as the hole in Leon Washington's leg from where the bone poked through. He's out for at least a year. He probably won't be anywhere close to 100 percent until 2011. That increases the need for production from Greene.
Yup. I didn't think very highly of him coming out, and 31 NFL franchises agreed, letting him fall to the 3rd. Working in his favor, the one franchise that really liked him traded most of their day 2 to get him. Working against him... that franchise also passed on him a couple of times before trading their day 2 to get him, so it's not like they viewed him as an absolutely indispensable player. New York is an underrated run-blocking team, but their line is starting to get a bit long in the tooth (Damien Woody? Alan Faneca?). Leon Washington is always going to play a role on the team. As Sanchez matures, the rushing attempts will drop a bit. Mostly, though, I'm just going to need more than one good game to change my initial impression- and I'm probably going to need to see him do it, too. Right now, the mental impression that I've formed of Shonn Greene is that he's a decent but replaceable talent. He's not a Rashard Mendenhall, biding his time for a starting job. Mendenhall was a 1st rounder.No one can truly predict breakouts. No one would have said before the season that Smith North was a top 5 fantasy WR. Nobody could have said before last season that Drew Brees would throw for 5,000 yards. Nobody could have predicted that Elvis Dumervil was going to have double-digit sacks by the end of game 6, or that Denver would have arguably the best defense in the league, or that the 13-3 Titans would be 0-6, or that Tom Brady would throw 5 TDs in a single quarter. I'd argue that anyone who predicted those things was just guessing, and happened to get lucky. Some things in football simply defy all logic and reason. Every year there are going to be results that simply cannot be forseen. In the end, though... that doesn't matter. It's never a question of predicting a player would break out, it's simply a question of being higher on him than anyone else. If everyone else thought that Smith North was WR50, and I had him ranked as WR30... then no, I didn't correctly peg his breakout, but I *DID* identify that there was value there, and I also wound up with him in every league. What does it matter if he's outperforming even my own expectations, as long as he's on my own team?The question then becomes twofold. First off, was F&L higher on Vernon Davis than the general consensus this offseason? I don't really know the answer to that, but I do know that Davis has been discussed several times and F&L has always been higher on him than the consensus. Second off, were the principals behind F&L's support of Davis sound? In this case, the answer is a resounding "yes". The whole reason F&L was higher on Davis was because he preferred players with a better chance of reaching top 5 status, even if their chance of reaching top 12 status was lower (i.e. Davis is a better TE than a guy like Heath Miller, who's a near lock for a top 12 finish but a longshot for a top 5 finish). The fact that Vernon Davis is now producing top 5 numbers just shows that the original premise was sound.
It'd be one thing if F&L was pimping him THIS offseason. Currently he has Vernon ranked in tier 4. I'm not sure he should get a ton of credit for predicting this breakout this season.
I love what you guys bring to this thread but sometimes I think you look a little too far down the road and spite yourselves. The gold nugget could be sitting right in front of you and you miss it because you're looking for 2012. I understand that you have to always be building for the future in dynasty, but you also want to have a good team now and next year, don't you?
As for Greene, if you want a negative consider this: A friend who watched the game and owns Greene and is a Jets fan, said not to get too excited by the performance; that the Raiders looked like they had given up at that point.
Keep up the good work.
munchkin
Footballguy
As for Greene, if you want a negative consider this: A friend who watched the game and owns Greene and is a Jets fan, said not to get too excited by the performance; that the Raiders looked like they had given up at that point.
See Lawrence Maroney vs. Tennessee Titans; yes Lawrence was a first round pick but his on field performance, other than a couple of 2007 late season games, has been underwhelming. Greene does run like he wants to challenge the physicality of the defense while Maroney runs to challenge their speed only.
Maroney does run better in space and it may be that he should be groomed to replace Kevin Faulk. If that's the case he needs to learn to pick up the blitz better. So Maroney is a first round talent who's upside may now be as a third down back. Not what the team was looking for, and needs, but it's better than being an all out bust.
See Lawrence Maroney vs. Tennessee Titans; yes Lawrence was a first round pick but his on field performance, other than a couple of 2007 late season games, has been underwhelming. Greene does run like he wants to challenge the physicality of the defense while Maroney runs to challenge their speed only.
Maroney does run better in space and it may be that he should be groomed to replace Kevin Faulk. If that's the case he needs to learn to pick up the blitz better. So Maroney is a first round talent who's upside may now be as a third down back. Not what the team was looking for, and needs, but it's better than being an all out bust.
mulliganman
Footballguy
I loathe these questions.
Where do you start? Um, Larry Fitz. Adrian Peterson. MJD. Chris Johnson. S-Jax.
Shine him up and package him with a few Pierre Garcons and Miles Austins and get a legit stud.
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LOL. You "loathe" these questions. I was really speaking in terms of running backs since you have such a low view of him.
Where do you start? Um, Larry Fitz. Adrian Peterson. MJD. Chris Johnson. S-Jax.
Shine him up and package him with a few Pierre Garcons and Miles Austins and get a legit stud.
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LOL. You "loathe" these questions. I was really speaking in terms of running backs since you have such a low view of him.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Pretty much what I was arguing a few pages back about guys like Caddy. No, they may not be worth a lot in 3 or 4 years, but they are very likely to have a huge value increase in the next two years and from a stock broker point of view can make a great investment as long as you are not the type to decide to hold as soon as the player has a few good weeks, thinking you just found the next big thing. If you look at guys like this as a non-essential part of your roster and don't see them as a "breakout stud" but instead see $ on cashing out your investment, they play as big of a part of building a dominant dynasty team as good drafting and a sharp eye on the waiver wire. Greene was likely a late 1st round rookie pick, and the consensus is that those picks are easy to come by and worth little. If the buy-in is cheap and the payout is much higher with 50% odds, that's a good bet, no?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't see how you even put thought into that. I'd be too worried he'd come to his senses and withdraw it.fsufan said:here is the offical offer
i give LT, sporles and caddy
i get stewart, portis and hester
maxwelledison
Footballguy
here is the offical offer
i give LT, sporles and caddy
i get stewart, portis and hester
I don't see how you even put thought into that. I'd be too worried he'd come to his senses and withdraw it.
If you haven't accepted by the time you read this I don't know what to tell you. The three guys you are giving aren't worth Stewart alone.
i give LT, sporles and caddy
i get stewart, portis and hester
I don't see how you even put thought into that. I'd be too worried he'd come to his senses and withdraw it.
If you haven't accepted by the time you read this I don't know what to tell you. The three guys you are giving aren't worth Stewart alone.
loose circuits
Footballguy
most TE's don't contribute right away because it's difficult to both learn passing routes & blocking assignments in a short amount of time. Just read something not to long ago but Cook's confidence being shot (after the injury). He's still trying to figure things out.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Ahem. 10 Breakout Candidates from Training Camp:Knobs said:Homer said:It'd be one thing if F&L was pimping him THIS offseason. Currently he has Vernon ranked in tier 4. I'm not sure he should get a ton of credit for predicting this breakout this season.
Dynasty Risers, July 22, 2009:
Dynasty Rankings in May: Davis ranked 15th, which is higher than you would have seen anywhere else on the internet.Also, from the "Top 20 Dynasty League Buys" article in February: Davis gets honorable mentioned as a "buy."
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hephner
Footballguy
So do you think Vernon has cracked the top 10 yet then? Is he ahead of guys like Carlson, Heath or Zach Miller, etc.?Ahem. 10 Breakout Candidates from Training Camp:Knobs said:Homer said:It'd be one thing if F&L was pimping him THIS offseason. Currently he has Vernon ranked in tier 4. I'm not sure he should get a ton of credit for predicting this breakout this season.
Dynasty Risers, July 22, 2009:Dynasty Rankings in May: Davis ranked 15th, which is higher than you would have seen anywhere else on the internet.Also, from the "Top 20 Dynasty League Buys" article in February: Davis gets honorable mentioned as a "buy."
The bolded sentence is incorrect. All it takes is opportunity and TALENT. You mention Terrell Davis and Brian Westbrook as late round picks... but those two guys were unbelievable talents regardless of where they were selected. My initial impression of Shonn Greene is that he is not an unbelievable talent, so Terrell Davis and Brian Westbrook are terrible comparisons. A better comparison would be Chester Taylor or Lamont Jordan- two later round draft picks who were decent talents and who had a good season each.COULD Shonn Greene prove to be a transcendent talent? Sure. I don't think he is, so I'm not going to rank him as if he were until he gives me a reason to. It's not a question of me looking too far into the future- quite the contrary, the reason I won't rank Greene near the RBs I listed is because I think they're all so much more talented they'll outproduce him THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. Well, a couple of guys on the list weren't significantly more talented than Shonn Greene, but they were all in a better situation. I've heard that the Jets are likely to bring Thomas Jones back, too- which not only limits Shonn Greene's immediate value, it also indicates the front office isn't ready to give him the rock full time.
I don't run my team like a stock portfolio. Some people attempt to purchase assets that they think are going to increase in value, whereas I'm only concerned about stockpiling talent. You might burn that end-of-your-bench roster spot on Caddy Williams while I burn it on Mike Sims-Walker. Sure, Caddy might have a few good games and see his trade value triple... but Mike Sims-Walker might have a few good games and become a core nucleus player that I have no intention of ever trading for the rest of his fantasy career. It's not as if either approach is "better" or "worse", it's just a difference in philosophies.Part of the reason I'm a "stockpile talent" guy instead of a "speculate on future value" guy is that talented players often wind up seeing just as much of an increase in value as the speculative buys. After declaring that Caddy was junk this past offseason, I went out and added Mike Sims-Walker, Miles Austin, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Chaz Schilens, Andre Caldwell, Louis Murphy, and Mike Wallace, because I thought all of those guys had the potential to see my starting lineup some day. Most of those guys have wound up seeing a value bump on par with Caddy's (in some cases, far greater than Caddy's). And yes, the Caddy backers were right- he wound up blowing up early and seeing his value triple- but the Caddy haters were right, too- he's still junk that'll never see your starting lineup unless you're desperate. In the end, it's just a case of different approaches to team building.Cookiemonster said:
McFadden wasn't going to do anything this year, anyway- the Raiders are terrible. I think he's a good speculative buy-and-hold. The franchise still has a lot committed to him, and I think he gets several more cracks at the job.
Needs a sandwich
Footballguy
I'll give you credit for this one. Previously, Davis has been a total bust. A big, fast target, for sure. But terrible hands, average blocking, and just a very mediocre receiver. So since some people were giving up on Davis this year, anyone that predicted a turnaround gets some credit.Ahem. 10 Breakout Candidates from Training Camp:Knobs said:Homer said:It'd be one thing if F&L was pimping him THIS offseason. Currently he has Vernon ranked in tier 4. I'm not sure he should get a ton of credit for predicting this breakout this season.
Dynasty Risers, July 22, 2009:Dynasty Rankings in May: Davis ranked 15th, which is higher than you would have seen anywhere else on the internet.Also, from the "Top 20 Dynasty League Buys" article in February: Davis gets honorable mentioned as a "buy."
Yes, I am worried. I didn't like him when he came out, but was able to acquire him at what seemed to be a reasonable price. Now I am kicking myself for not sticking with my instinct. I am skeptical about his ability to stay healthy because of his body type and I am skeptical about his ability to be more than a satellite player like Reggie Bush. Add in that his team is horrible and doesn't know how to use him, I think his fantasy value is very little. I am hoping that a team out of contention will take him off my hands at the trade deadline this season.How can the Raiders not use the WildHog formation? McFadden ran it in college, their QB is horrible, and their WRs are horrible. How could they not have been practicing this from day one of OTAs?
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Another big thanks to F&L and SSOG (among others) for their insightful opinions.
Although this thread and the SonsOfTheTundra blog don't necessarily make-or-break my roster decisions, they are essential reading, IMO, and I always take their info into consideration.
Although this thread and the SonsOfTheTundra blog don't necessarily make-or-break my roster decisions, they are essential reading, IMO, and I always take their info into consideration.
valhallan
Footballguy
Every year in my 2QB league I go dumpster diving for the next Brady/Romo/Orton/Edwards type that goes from backup to starter. I can only find 4 right now:
Matt Moore - produced decent numbers in 3 starts in 2007
Brett Ratliff - not yet getting any work with the 1s in practice
Bruce Gradkowski - mmm, maybe he had his chance already
Ryan Fitzpatrick - keeps the job?
Does anyone have any insights/opinions/gut-feelings on these guys?
Matt Moore - produced decent numbers in 3 starts in 2007
Brett Ratliff - not yet getting any work with the 1s in practice
Bruce Gradkowski - mmm, maybe he had his chance already
Ryan Fitzpatrick - keeps the job?
Does anyone have any insights/opinions/gut-feelings on these guys?
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Moore: May have the best chance of this group to keep the job going into 2010. The Panthers don't have a 1st round pick, and Moore wasn't a disaster when he won NFL Rookie of the Month award for his mediocre play in December of 2007.Ratliff: Did well in preseason action in 2008, but Mangini won't go to him even with Anderson and Quinn setting QB play back 60 years. Browns will likely draft a franchise QB next season.Gradkowski: Can't pass worth a spit. No way in hell he'd keep the job for more than a few weeks.Fitzpatrick: Can't pass, but smart and resourceful. Could finish the season as the starter but no chance of entering 2010 as the starter.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Thanks, TD Syndrome. Good to hear from you.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Who says I don't have most of those guys already on my roster. I also mentioned that I was talking about rosters 20 deep or better. I had Austin and bailed on him too early, releasing him after week 2. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes but I can pick up the guys like Caddy & Sims-Walker and Schilens & Caldwell too. In fact, that sounds exactly like the end of my benches and I have rostered every single player you just listed (except Collie) at one point this year. Of course you don't pass up the opportunity to stockpile talent and still use a spot or two for spec players. It's how I ended up with good teams and guys like Ced Benson who break out and guys like L.J. that flop are on my rosters as back filler. The point is, you roster players because you think they will be worth more than you have to pay. Either way you go about it, you can be right or wrong, but that's FFB 101. I think its too narrow of a view to limit yourself to doing it just one way, missing out on other opportunities. You could have gotten 3 or 4 of the guys you just listed plus a 3rd round draft pick for Caddy just over a month ago. Just 'cause someone won't start for you doesn't mean they won't start for some other unlucky team.
valhallan
Footballguy
Great point - I hadn't considered that. I agree Moore has the best chance and wasn't thinking the other 3 had much promise. I have a slight feeling about Fitzpatrick, but maybe it's from being burned by Edwards.
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