Dynasty Rankings (3 Viewers)

[Concept Coop]

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over Forte, but he has shown enough speed and elusiveness to break off long runs and receptions (including a nifty 61 yarder yesterday against the eagles). He may not be CJ4.24, ADP, :insert elite RB here: fast; but it's misleading to say that he isn't very good or doesn't break tackles. That's not his game. He's not a bruising power runner that relies on breaking tackles to get to the next level. And he has plenty of quickness/body control to make defenders miss when he's not being met at the handoff from QB. Unfortunately, the Bears oline has allowed DLinemen and LBs to do just that all too often over the past 2.5 seasons...Even so, Forte is currently tied for 11th in the NFL this season in runs over 20 yards (5 on the season including two over 60 yards), and he's got an 89 yard TD reception as well. He's not the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" plodder that some have tried to make him out to be. He's a RB that makes his living off of making guys miss, and his receiving ability is a tremendous asset that allows him to gets the ball in space where he can gash opposing defenses.I know you alluded to inconsistency as a problem with Forte and "the excuses" have already been set out before, so I don't mean to dwell on them. However, he was injured last season, and has been playing in poor offensive schemes and with a poor o-line since coming into the league. And although he is healthier this year, during the 1st half of the season he was under utilized by Martz's pass happy offensive system that demanded 7 step drops and an inordinate pass/run ratio (during the games in which Cutler was non-concussed). Since the bye week the Bears have adjusted and changed the offensive scheme to fit their personnel (including running the ball over 50% of the time and giving Cutler 3-5 step drops and a moving pocket to play to his athleticism), and under the new offensive scheme, Martz is proving to be a terrific play caller (despite many of the plays paying homage to the "greatest show on turf" being torn from his playbook by Lovie Smith and Mike Tice).Combine all of that with the Bears' defenseive return to elite status and I wouldn't be sleeping on Forte for the remainder of this season. He will be a RB2 that performs at RB1 levels with a guarantee of ~ 20 touches per game moving forward and will help fuel many a fantasy team's playoff run in 2010. Maybe that will open the door to your dreams of being able to pair Forte with a WR1 to obtain an elite RB during the offseason...

I respect your opinion on Forte. I like him as a person and as a player. I like a lot of what he does. But I don't know how anyone can take issue with me saying he doesn't break tackles. Compared to other NFL running backs, he does so at an alarmingly low rate. As you said, he is fast for his size, once he gets room to get going. But he needs room to get going - he is not especially quick by any means. The Bears started using 31 year old, Chester Taylor in the Redzone because Forte wasn't getting it done. I know I said that already, but that is a huge red flag. It means the Bears will be looking for an upgrade, at least in that area. That leads me to believe there is high potential for RBBC as soon as next season. And again, the term buy low is relative. If you value Forte as an RB2 for the rest of the season, and see that as best case scenario moving forward, you wouldn't trade him to someone else that thinks along those lines. But, many will look at his numbers, his age, and his name, and value him as more. That is who you take advantage of, and I think you can.As for my "dreams", I have already done it, so nobody here is dreaming. I can't link the site from my work, but you are welcome to search for Misfits and Outlaws 8 on MFL.com. I traded Forte, S. Rice (injured at the time) and a 1st/2nd (2013) for MJD. I traded right after MJD's last poor game, before he went on a tear. Forte had more points at the time. MJD has been RB3 since that time, vastly outscoring Forte.

 

[Concept Coop]

What does everyone think about Cassel? I haven't watched a game, since is hot streak, but from following along online, he throws to Bowe a lot, close to exclusively for stretches. I would feel better about considering him a Kyle Orton type, if he was spreading it out more.

Is he a QB1 moving forward, or a QB2 on a hot streak?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

Hillis is white. Nobody else will admit it, but subconsciously that's why they don't like him.

Sad, but this is probably true. Why else has no one offered me any trades for Hillis this season, yet I've seen plenty of offers for RBs with inferior numbers?

I don't think it's because he's white. It's because he looks like alstott [...]he's also white.

 

[thriftyrocker]

What does everyone think about Cassel? I haven't watched a game, since is hot streak, but from following along online, he throws to Bowe a lot, close to exclusively for stretches. I would feel better about considering him a Kyle Orton type, if he was spreading it out more. Is he a QB1 moving forward, or a QB2 on a hot streak?

All his other options are hurt. Moeaki just coming back from concussion. McCluster should be back soon (ankle). With those guys hurt, the only other options were the RBs. The WR2 situation is a mess. Chambers got beat out by an UFA (Verran Tucker). He'd still (be wise to) target Bowe a lot, but I don't think it's a Delhommian situation.I am not sure what an Orton type is. At some point we have to question if Orton is really Billy Volek given how the team keeps losing. If his stats are somewhat situation dependent, the risk of McDaniels getting canned lessens his value. I don't think Cassel is a QB1 given I can list 12 elite guys who are easily better than him. Also, other QB2s like Sanchez and Freeman look equally legit. With each win, he is cementing his position as a starter, which increases his value in deep or 2QB leagues.

 

[Herm23]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

First, I need to dispell the myth that Hillis is "doing as much with far less", as you put it. There is absolutely nothing about the Browns running game that should be considered less than any team in the NFL. The Browns are one of the best (if not the single best) running situations in the entire NFL. They have a truly elite run blocking offensive line, have a caretaker QB that LOVES to dump it off to his RB, and they have NOBODY that presents any threat to touchdown production. They also have a defense that keeps them in games to allow the run game to be used for all 4 quarters (something Houston frequently doesn't have the luxery of). When you add it all up, there are very few situations that are better.Second, for me the difference is all in the "eye test" and how they look when I watch them play. Peyton Hillis looks like a very good NFL running back and someone deserving of a starting job moving forward, without a doubt. However, Arian Foster looks like a truly elite NFL running back and someone deserving of all pro consideration on a yearly basis. Running over a defender and trucking him on the way into the end zone is nice and gets you highlights, but Foster has simply looked like a much better player on a play by play basis. My concern over Hillis isn't based on his skin color, but rather the fact that he hasn't completely "wowed" me when I have watched him play (and I have watched every game). He has been good, but reminds me much more of someone like Rudi Johnson than Priest Holmes (hey look at that, I just compared Hillis to a black player instead of Alstott!). There is nothing wrong with Rudi Johnson and he was a very serviceable fantasy asset, but in the end he was limited. Arian Foster, by contrast, looks simply elite and has "wowed" me basically every time I have watched him play (and I again have watched every game). He has reminds me much more of someone like Priest Holmes than Rudi Johnson, which is to say he has looked like someone capable of simply dominating on a yearly basis and avoiding any sink back to mediocrity (which is an outcome I think is still in play for Hillis, just as it was on a yearly basis for Rudi Johnson). I don't necessarily expect Foster to dominate every year, I just think he has a much greater chance to than Hillis, hence my belief that Foster is a no brainer top 10 RB and Hillis is not.

 

[thriftyrocker]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

First, I need to dispell the myth that Hillis is "doing as much with far less", as you put it. There is absolutely nothing about the Browns running game that should be considered less than any team in the NFL. The Browns are one of the best (if not the single best) running situations in the entire NFL. They have a truly elite run blocking offensive line, have a caretaker QB that LOVES to dump it off to his RB, and they have NOBODY that presents any threat to touchdown production. They also have a defense that keeps them in games to allow the run game to be used for all 4 quarters (something Houston frequently doesn't have the luxery of). When you add it all up, there are very few situations that are better.Second, for me the difference is all in the "eye test" and how they look when I watch them play. Peyton Hillis looks like a very good NFL running back and someone deserving of a starting job moving forward, without a doubt. However, Arian Foster looks like a truly elite NFL running back and someone deserving of all pro consideration on a yearly basis. Running over a defender and trucking him on the way into the end zone is nice and gets you highlights, but Foster has simply looked like a much better player on a play by play basis. My concern over Hillis isn't based on his skin color, but rather the fact that he hasn't completely "wowed" me when I have watched him play (and I have watched every game). He has been good, but reminds me much more of someone like Rudi Johnson than Priest Holmes (hey look at that, I just compared Hillis to a black player instead of Alstott!). There is nothing wrong with Rudi Johnson and he was a very serviceable fantasy asset, but in the end he was limited. Arian Foster, by contrast, looks simply elite and has "wowed" me basically every time I have watched him play (and I again have watched every game). He has reminds me much more of someone like Priest Holmes than Rudi Johnson, which is to say he has looked like someone capable of simply dominating on a yearly basis and avoiding any sink back to mediocrity (which is an outcome I think is still in play for Hillis, just as it was on a yearly basis for Rudi Johnson). I don't necessarily expect Foster to dominate every year, I just think he has a much greater chance to than Hillis, hence my belief that Foster is a no brainer top 10 RB and Hillis is not.

Good posting. But. Rudi never caught passes. He never had more than 25 in a season. It is more like you had Alstott and Rudi and got stats for both of them. Hillis has had some bad games running the ball but he supplements it (pun not intended) with 8 receptions and still gets 100+ total yards.Pretty clear the Browns didn't like Harrison or Davis. Pretty clear the Browns have no legit receiving threats outside of Hillis. Hillis is all the team has right now. That's an elite situation. For 2010. It can't continue. Once they add more skill players, he'll come back to earth. He can still put up good numbers but not "carry your team numbers" like he has recently.

 

[az_prof]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

Hillis is white. Nobody else will admit it, but subconsciously that's why they don't like him.

Sad, but this is probably true. Why else has no one offered me any trades for Hillis this season, yet I've seen plenty of offers for RBs with inferior numbers?

I don't think it's because he's white. It's because he looks like alstott/bettis. It doesn't help that his body composition looks like a fullback and he's also white. But I really think it's him looking like a FB that hurts him coupled with the fact that there isn't a RB in the leauge that will take more abuse.Can't deny his production but can his body hold up to what he is going to put it through in the next three years.

Does Jacobs look like a FB? How about Turner? M. Bush? Ricky Williams? I am not sure how Hillis is different from those players in terms of how "he looks."The reality is that there hasn't been a great, white RB since the Skins' Riggins. So, it is sort of natural for people to be sceptical. It's part of the reason why there was less excitement about Toby Gerhart this summer. And, while race shouldn't matter, fantasy players look at historical production and it affects their judgement.

 

[Concept Coop]

What does everyone think about Cassel? I haven't watched a game, since is hot streak, but from following along online, he throws to Bowe a lot, close to exclusively for stretches. I would feel better about considering him a Kyle Orton type, if he was spreading it out more. Is he a QB1 moving forward, or a QB2 on a hot streak?

All his other options are hurt. Moeaki just coming back from concussion. McCluster should be back soon (ankle). With those guys hurt, the only other options were the RBs. The WR2 situation is a mess. Chambers got beat out by an UFA (Verran Tucker). He'd still (be wise to) target Bowe a lot, but I don't think it's a Delhommian situation.I am not sure what an Orton type is. At some point we have to question if Orton is really Billy Volek given how the team keeps losing. If his stats are somewhat situation dependent, the risk of McDaniels getting canned lessens his value. I don't think Cassel is a QB1 given I can list 12 elite guys who are easily better than him. Also, other QB2s like Sanchez and Freeman look equally legit. With each win, he is cementing his position as a starter, which increases his value in deep or 2QB leagues.

Prior to this year, Orton had a solid win %. And I don't know how anyone could pin this season on him. He has cemented himself as a starter in the NFL with his play, which has been solid.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Prior to this year, Orton had a solid win %. And I don't know how anyone could pin this season on him. He has cemented himself as a starter in the NFL with his play, which has been solid.

Prior to this year, Orton was a QB3.The threat to Orton's short term value is McDaniels will want to use another QB on the roster before he gets canned.The threat to Orton's long term value is once McDaniels gets canned, he could go back to being a QB3.If Volek started for SD, he'd be mediocre. Beware of kismet.

 

[lyon812]

This is kind of my view on Best right now. I'm just a little hesitant t sell him while his perceived value is as low as it is.

When I think of Best's struggles/flashes this year, I can't help but compare him to LeSean McCoy's rookie year; doubts about his durability, whether he could handle a full load, doomed to having a committee partner, etc. In a number of my leagues, people were looking to sell him. Still, McCoy's progressed this year, and is doing well with his 18-22 touches a game, and his value has increased quite a bit.Likewise, selling low on Best now would seem to be ill-advised.

 

[Concept Coop]

Prior to this year, Orton had a solid win %. And I don't know how anyone could pin this season on him. He has cemented himself as a starter in the NFL with his play, which has been solid.

Prior to this year, Orton was a QB3.The threat to Orton's short term value is McDaniels will want to use another QB on the roster before he gets canned.The threat to Orton's long term value is once McDaniels gets canned, he could go back to being a QB3.If Volek started for SD, he'd be mediocre. Beware of kismet.

I think Orton is a starter in the NFL, and I think he is capable, as he has shown, of putting up top 12 numbers (QB1). I think the threat of regression with the potential departure of McDaniels is real. But I don't think it is any more of a given that he is ever again stuck in a Chicago situation: over conservative offense, lack of confidence in Orton by staff, below average NFL WRs.

 

[Concept Coop]

This is kind of my view on Best right now. I'm just a little hesitant t sell him while his perceived value is as low as it is.

When I think of Best's struggles/flashes this year, I can't help but compare him to LeSean McCoy's rookie year; doubts about his durability, whether he could handle a full load, doomed to having a committee partner, etc. In a number of my leagues, people were looking to sell him. Still, McCoy's progressed this year, and is doing well with his 18-22 touches a game, and his value has increased quite a bit.Likewise, selling low on Best now would seem to be ill-advised.

LeSean McCoy is a guy that I simlpy got wrong. I never questioned his ability to carry the load, physically. I just didn't like that he wasn't decisive, and was outplayed by a fullback. I think the terms sell low/sell high are relative and without the luxury of hindsight, subjective. If I "sold low" on Steve Slaton after the first sign of trouble, I would have still made out like a bandit compared to what he is worth now - is that in fact selling low?I have never been high on the notion of Best being an RB1/high RB2. That is why I would be a big advocate of selling now. I think Best is going to be closer to Steve Slaton than a LeSean McCoy. If you feel differenty, you are right, it would be ill-advised.

 

[Dave Larkin]

What does everyone think about Cassel? I haven't watched a game, since is hot streak, but from following along online, he throws to Bowe a lot, close to exclusively for stretches. I would feel better about considering him a Kyle Orton type, if he was spreading it out more. Is he a QB1 moving forward, or a QB2 on a hot streak?

I've watched Cassel quite a lot recently. I've been so impressed with his play. He looks assured, moves around in the pocket well to buy time, fires strikes to his receivers and most importantly, makes very few mistakes. I think compared to the early games this season, there is a world of difference in how Cassel has played. He looks really comfortable in Weis' system now. And it helps to have a stud like Bowe to throw to.

 

[Hoosier16]

So, I'm surprised there has been no discussion on Westbrook's value since the Gore injury. Last year, it was Ricky Williams and I remember a big discussion about trading Greene for Williams (the process/outcome discussion).

Where do people put Westbrook's value? He clearly is a 4 game player, with no significant value once the season ends. Would you give up a 2nd for him? When looking at the young RBs in SSOG's rankings, what tier is reasonable? My feeling is somewhere around tier 5. What about a young WR? I'm thinking tiers 6-7. Does anyone think he's worth more than that?

 

[Concept Coop]

So, I'm surprised there has been no discussion on Westbrook's value since the Gore injury. Last year, it was Ricky Williams and I remember a big discussion about trading Greene for Williams (the process/outcome discussion).

Where do people put Westbrook's value? He clearly is a 4 game player, with no significant value once the season ends. Would you give up a 2nd for him? When looking at the young RBs in SSOG's rankings, what tier is reasonable? My feeling is somewhere around tier 5. What about a young WR? I'm thinking tiers 6-7. Does anyone think he's worth more than that?

Westbrook's value is going to be very subjective. He has almost no value beyond this season, as I don't think he will even be Gore's backup next year. So, automatically, he is worthless to half the league (outside of what they get in trade). Then, you will have plenty of teams who have no use, as he would not be an upgrade. There will be another class of owners who could use Westbrook this season, but won't part with a draft pick to do so - his value will vary league to league and even within each league, greatly. You have to decide if he is an upgrade over what you currently have, whether you can win it all this year, and how important winning this year is, to you personally.

I will be offering a 2nd to whomever picks him up in my league. My advantage over the other players in the league is that I have 3x RB 1s. I don't want to lose that advantage, and we can start 4.

I think the more interesting question is the hit that Gore's value has taken.

 

[thriftyrocker]

So, I'm surprised there has been no discussion on Westbrook's value since the Gore injury. Last year, it was Ricky Williams and I remember a big discussion about trading Greene for Williams (the process/outcome discussion).

Where do people put Westbrook's value? He clearly is a 4 game player, with no significant value once the season ends. Would you give up a 2nd for him? When looking at the young RBs in SSOG's rankings, what tier is reasonable? My feeling is somewhere around tier 5. What about a young WR? I'm thinking tiers 6-7. Does anyone think he's worth more than that?

Ricky was a much better bet for RB1 numbers. Westbrook is just a better version of Maurice Morris. And Morris is still on waivers in most leagues. If I had him and didn't want him, I'd take what I can get. It wouldn't be smart to trade a guy like BJGE or Blount for him because it's a toss up Westbrook will score more points. Instead you're looking at guys like Tate and Hardesty, Scott, the Bushes. Much lower expected value than Greene had at the time of the earlier conversation.

 

[T.Rex]

This is kind of my view on Best right now. I'm just a little hesitant t sell him while his perceived value is as low as it is.

When I think of Best's struggles/flashes this year, I can't help but compare him to LeSean McCoy's rookie year; doubts about his durability, whether he could handle a full load, doomed to having a committee partner, etc. In a number of my leagues, people were looking to sell him. Still, McCoy's progressed this year, and is doing well with his 18-22 touches a game, and his value has increased quite a bit.Likewise, selling low on Best now would seem to be ill-advised.

LeSean McCoy is a guy that I simlpy got wrong. I never questioned his ability to carry the load, physically. I just didn't like that he wasn't decisive, and was outplayed by a fullback. I think the terms sell low/sell high are relative and without the luxury of hindsight, subjective. If I "sold low" on Steve Slaton after the first sign of trouble, I would have still made out like a bandit compared to what he is worth now - is that in fact selling low?I have never been high on the notion of Best being an RB1/high RB2. That is why I would be a big advocate of selling now. I think Best is going to be closer to Steve Slaton than a LeSean McCoy. If you feel differenty, you are right, it would be ill-advised.

Health is Best only concern. If healthy he is a SUPERSTAR in the making. Much like you missing the boat on McCoy I fully expect to see a post from you next year much like the McCoy post.

 

[jwb]

Regarding Hillis and Foster... it will be very interesting to see where they go in dynasty startups next year. That's a huge part of dynasty rankings - startup dynasty draft position (in fact, to many, THAT'S what rankings are.)

For example - right now, you would think Foster is a first rounder / early second at worst. But does the Ben Tate factor cloud judgement there? Are you willing to burn that first rounder on someone who has a (NFL) second round pick coming back from injury behind him? And Hillis - does Hardesty / him being a white "fullback" / whatever push him to round 3 or 4 (or even 5) in a 12-team PPR startup? How about Brandon Lloyd - where does he go in a startup? Guy had zero trade value all year (much like Hillis.)

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft? Any other "interesting" guys to add to that (by interesting, I kind of mean former waiver wire guys or lower NFL picks... I don't mean someone like Bowe, who has the pedigree and was drafted to do what he is doing now.)

 

[Concept Coop]

So, I'm surprised there has been no discussion on Westbrook's value since the Gore injury. Last year, it was Ricky Williams and I remember a big discussion about trading Greene for Williams (the process/outcome discussion).

Where do people put Westbrook's value? He clearly is a 4 game player, with no significant value once the season ends. Would you give up a 2nd for him? When looking at the young RBs in SSOG's rankings, what tier is reasonable? My feeling is somewhere around tier 5. What about a young WR? I'm thinking tiers 6-7. Does anyone think he's worth more than that?

Ricky was a much better bet for RB1 numbers. Westbrook is just a better version of Maurice Morris. And Morris is still on waivers in most leagues. If I had him and didn't want him, I'd take what I can get. It wouldn't be smart to trade a guy like BJGE or Blount for him because it's a toss up Westbrook will score more points. Instead you're looking at guys like Tate and Hardesty, Scott, the Bushes. Much lower expected value than Greene had at the time of the earlier conversation.

Man. Maurice was traded for Luis Murphy and a 2nd in my main league, to a playoff team. In a 14 team or 2 flex league, Westbrook has good, immediate (only) value.

 

[Concept Coop]

Health is Best only concern. If healthy he is a SUPERSTAR in the making. Much like you missing the boat on McCoy I fully expect to see a post from you next year much like the McCoy post.

You very well could. I expect to see quite a few threads, no a single post, from plenty burnt by Best. Only time will tell. But he has not proven close to enough for health to be his only concern. I think we all knew he was capable of having a big game now and again, based on his speed, quickness alone. Beyond that, I don't know that he has proven anything. As far as him being a "SUPERSTAR", this is the kind of fancy word still associated with Best, and the reason you can still sell high.

 

[Concept Coop]

Regarding Hillis and Foster... it will be very interesting to see where they go in dynasty startups next year. That's a huge part of dynasty rankings - startup dynasty draft position (in fact, to many, THAT'S what rankings are.)For example - right now, you would think Foster is a first rounder / early second at worst. But does the Ben Tate factor cloud judgement there? Are you willing to burn that first rounder on someone who has a (NFL) second round pick coming back from injury behind him? And Hillis - does Hardesty / him being a white "fullback" / whatever push him to round 3 or 4 (or even 5) in a 12-team PPR startup? How about Brandon Lloyd - where does he go in a startup? Guy had zero trade value all year (much like Hillis.)Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft? Any other "interesting" guys to add to that (by interesting, I kind of mean former waiver wire guys or lower NFL picks... I don't mean someone like Bowe, who has the pedigree and was drafted to do what he is doing now.)

Foster - Top 4 or 5. Hillis - Top 20Lloyd - Top 40Steve Johnson - Top 40

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Regarding Hillis and Foster... it will be very interesting to see where they go in dynasty startups next year. That's a huge part of dynasty rankings - startup dynasty draft position (in fact, to many, THAT'S what rankings are.)For example - right now, you would think Foster is a first rounder / early second at worst. But does the Ben Tate factor cloud judgement there? Are you willing to burn that first rounder on someone who has a (NFL) second round pick coming back from injury behind him? And Hillis - does Hardesty / him being a white "fullback" / whatever push him to round 3 or 4 (or even 5) in a 12-team PPR startup? How about Brandon Lloyd - where does he go in a startup? Guy had zero trade value all year (much like Hillis.)Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft? Any other "interesting" guys to add to that (by interesting, I kind of mean former waiver wire guys or lower NFL picks... I don't mean someone like Bowe, who has the pedigree and was drafted to do what he is doing now.)

Personally, I'd take Foster top 3 in a dynasty startup next year without flinching. Foster is on pace for 2,324 yards from scrimmage and 19 TDs. Pedigree didn't stop Terrell Davis or Micheal Turner from becoming excellent fantasy players for years. I never liked Ben Tate, and seriously doubt if he'll have any more impact that Derrick Ward in 2011. I love Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles as players and do think they are first rounders in start ups, but they have 11 and 13 career TDs respectively. MJD is a stud, but the team he plays for is mercurial at best. That leads to things like his 3 TDs over the first half of this season, or the first half of 2008 when he averaged less than 75 yards from scrimmage and about .5 TDs/game. Foster is a very good RB in a fantastic situation to produce for years to come. Not sure what's not to like there.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft?

I think Foster is a no-brainer top five dynasty start up pick, and here's why: after Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones Drew and Chris Johnson, you have questions with each subsequent RB. Steven Jackson? Great player, but has a lot of tread on those tires. Frank Gore? Brilliant player, but getting older. Michael Turner? Darren McFadden? Peyton Hillis? I think Foster is an easy choice at #3 or #4 of any Dynasty start up draft.Yes, if Ben Tate tears it up in the preseason, there may be some questions about Foster. But unless we see that, I think he's a very safe pick.

 

[Fodasme69]

Regarding Hillis and Foster... it will be very interesting to see where they go in dynasty startups next year. That's a huge part of dynasty rankings - startup dynasty draft position (in fact, to many, THAT'S what rankings are.)

For example - right now, you would think Foster is a first rounder / early second at worst. But does the Ben Tate factor cloud judgement there? Are you willing to burn that first rounder on someone who has a (NFL) second round pick coming back from injury behind him? And Hillis - does Hardesty / him being a white "fullback" / whatever push him to round 3 or 4 (or even 5) in a 12-team PPR startup? How about Brandon Lloyd - where does he go in a startup? Guy had zero trade value all year (much like Hillis.)

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft? Any other "interesting" guys to add to that (by interesting, I kind of mean former waiver wire guys or lower NFL picks... I don't mean someone like Bowe, who has the pedigree and was drafted to do what he is doing now.)

Personally, I'd take Foster top 3 in a dynasty startup next year without flinching. Foster is on pace for 2,324 yards from scrimmage and 19 TDs. Pedigree didn't stop Terrell Davis or Micheal Turner from becoming excellent fantasy players for years. I never liked Ben Tate, and seriously doubt if he'll have any more impact that Derrick Ward in 2011.

I love Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles as players and do think they are first rounders in start ups, but they have 11 and 13 career TDs respectively. MJD is a stud, but the team he plays for is mercurial at best. That leads to things like his 3 TDs over the first half of this season, or the first half of 2008 when he averaged less than 75 yards from scrimmage and about .5 TDs/game.

Foster is a very good RB in a fantastic situation to produce for years to come. Not sure what's not to like there.

Sounds like a lot of the things were being said about Forte and Slaton 2 years ago, Maroney 3 years ago.....I'm just sayin!

 

[Concept Coop]

I love Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles as players and do think they are first rounders in start ups, but they have 11 and 13 career TDs respectively. MJD is a stud, but the team he plays for is mercurial at best. That leads to things like his 3 TDs over the first half of this season, or the first half of 2008 when he averaged less than 75 yards from scrimmage and about .5 TDs/game. Foster is a very good RB in a fantastic situation to produce for years to come. Not sure what's not to like there.

2008 when he wasn't the sole option?MJD has carried the load for two full seasons. This year, and last. Last year, he finished top 3. This year, he was injured and his offense had some issues, which have been worked out. Since week 6 or 7, he is top 3.

Last week, Garrard vultured a TD, and Jennings got a TD on a redzone look that usually goes to MJD (after long run by MJD, who was getting a breather). I think his TD total is likely closer to 2009 (16) than what we are seeing this season (6 so for), from here on out.

I don't know how anyone can suggest MJD has any more questions than Foster.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft?

I think Foster is a no-brainer top five dynasty start up pick, and here's why: after Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones Drew and Chris Johnson, you have questions with each subsequent RB. Steven Jackson? Great player, but has a lot of tread on those tires. Frank Gore? Brilliant player, but getting older. Michael Turner? Darren McFadden? Peyton Hillis? I think Foster is an easy choice at #3 or #4 of any Dynasty start up draft.Yes, if Ben Tate tears it up in the preseason, there may be some questions about Foster. But unless we see that, I think he's a very safe pick.

I think Foster is a talent and in a great situation (for now), but I think he bears enough risk not to be considered a "no-brainer" as a top 5 dynasty start up pick. Personally I'd feel safer grabbing one of Fitzgerald, Calvin or Andre Johnson once those RBs (and probably Ray Rice) went off the board. I'd just rather have a player that has a track record of production as my core building block.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft?

I think Foster is a no-brainer top five dynasty start up pick, and here's why: after Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones Drew and Chris Johnson, you have questions with each subsequent RB. Steven Jackson? Great player, but has a lot of tread on those tires. Frank Gore? Brilliant player, but getting older. Michael Turner? Darren McFadden? Peyton Hillis? I think Foster is an easy choice at #3 or #4 of any Dynasty start up draft.Yes, if Ben Tate tears it up in the preseason, there may be some questions about Foster. But unless we see that, I think he's a very safe pick.

I think Foster is a talent and in a great situation (for now), but I think he bears enough risk not to be considered a "no-brainer" as a top 5 dynasty start up pick. Personally I'd feel safer grabbing one of Fitzgerald, Calvin or Andre Johnson once those RBs (and probably Ray Rice) went off the board. I'd just rather have a player that has a track record of production as my core building block.

I can see that. I was focusing on RBs - as opposed to the entire field. My bad.

 

[skycriesmary]

What do you guys think of Steve Smith's (NYG) value going forward? Obviously the dude's got great ability, and in a great system, but he is a FA after this year. What are the chances Eli loses his favorite target? Would they really let him walk, and trust Mario?

In another system, I'm assuming his production would go down, unless he lands with one of about four or five teams. Then there's the adjustment period....

So, save and take your chances, or sell while he's still ranked in the top 20?

Would you rather have a player like K Britt, Boldin, or Maclin?

 

[todisco1]

What do you guys think of Steve Smith's (NYG) value going forward? Obviously the dude's got great ability, and in a great system, but he is a FA after this year. What are the chances Eli loses his favorite target? Would they really let him walk, and trust Mario?In another system, I'm assuming his production would go down, unless he lands with one of about four or five teams. Then there's the adjustment period....So, save and take your chances, or sell while he's still ranked in the top 20? Would you rather have a player like K Britt, Boldin, or Maclin?

I like Smith and think the Giants will do everything they can to keep him. Eli trusts him and the two have a nice rapport. If I was going upside, though, I'd rather have Britt or Maclin than Smith. Smith is probably safer than Britt, but I think Britt can be a true #1 fantasy WR while I view Smith as a #2. Boldin's a bit older than the others, so he'd probably be last.

 

[eaglesfan7]

What do you guys think of Steve Smith's (NYG) value going forward? Obviously the dude's got great ability, and in a great system, but he is a FA after this year. What are the chances Eli loses his favorite target? Would they really let him walk, and trust Mario?In another system, I'm assuming his production would go down, unless he lands with one of about four or five teams. Then there's the adjustment period....So, save and take your chances, or sell while he's still ranked in the top 20? Would you rather have a player like K Britt, Boldin, or Maclin?

I like Smith and think the Giants will do everything they can to keep him. Eli trusts him and the two have a nice rapport. If I was going upside, though, I'd rather have Britt or Maclin than Smith. Smith is probably safer than Britt, but I think Britt can be a true #1 fantasy WR while I view Smith as a #2. Boldin's a bit older than the others, so he'd probably be last.

I would definitely go Smith or Maclin. Britt is a head case who could carry you or destroy your squad with one weekend at the strip joint. Why trust a ghetto nut like him for your dynasty team? It's a recipe for disaster as this season showed. You don't have him in the lineup and he blows up. He put him in and he does nothing.

 

[higgins]

 

[Herm23]

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft?

I think Foster is a no-brainer top five dynasty start up pick, and here's why: after Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones Drew and Chris Johnson, you have questions with each subsequent RB. Steven Jackson? Great player, but has a lot of tread on those tires. Frank Gore? Brilliant player, but getting older. Michael Turner? Darren McFadden? Peyton Hillis? I think Foster is an easy choice at #3 or #4 of any Dynasty start up draft.Yes, if Ben Tate tears it up in the preseason, there may be some questions about Foster. But unless we see that, I think he's a very safe pick.

I think Foster is a talent and in a great situation (for now), but I think he bears enough risk not to be considered a "no-brainer" as a top 5 dynasty start up pick. Personally I'd feel safer grabbing one of Fitzgerald, Calvin or Andre Johnson once those RBs (and probably Ray Rice) went off the board. I'd just rather have a player that has a track record of production as my core building block.

I agree with this, to an extent. First let me say that I am a firm believer in Foster's talent and absolutely do not question that he has elite ability. Even with that being said, he carries significantly more risk than many other options available as a top 6 pick in a startup draft. Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones Drew, Ray Rice, and Calvin Johnson to me should be the absolute no brainer top 5 of any startup draft. Obviously this is only my opinion, but those 5 provide a package of things that no other player can touch- current season production, youth, extreme pedigree (outside of Ray Rice, who was still a 2nd round pick himself), freak talent, crystal clear situation, and impeccable track record. Every other player on the board will be lacking one of those ingredients, making him a more risky pick by definition. This leaves Arian Foster in the Larry Fitzgerald (lack of current season production and murky short term future), Andre Johnson (age factor. He is nearly 5 years older than Calvin and over 2 years older than Fitz), Dez Bryant (lack of track record and semi lack of current season production), Hakeem Nicks (lack of track record and worry about whether his talent is truly at the ultra elite level or just the very good level...or at least worry for me), Jamaal Charles (lack of clarity on his situation- will he ever be an all situation player, including goal line work?), Darren McFadden (lack of track record), Rashard Mendenhall (worry about whether his talent is truly elite or just very good), LeSean McCoy (lack of track record, worry whether is talent is truly elite or just very good), and Aaron Rodgers (lack of positional demand) catagory.Personally I prefer Foster to all of these options (or possibly in a dead heat with Fitz and Jamaal Charles), but I also think he carries more risk than all of these options. Foster has concerns over his situation, lack of track record, lack of pedigree, and worry whether he is an elite talent or just very good. Foster has 4 legitimate question marks, while all the other players in this catagory have 2 at most. The benefit is that, as he is showing this season, Foster provides the most boom potential and is looking like a player that can dominate, you just need to be able to swallow the risk that he could be the biggest flop of this group as well. For me, that is too much risk to take above any of the "big 5" players (Peterson, Johnson, MJD, Rice, Calvin), but probably fits in well at 6 (or 7 or 8).

 

[joeymitch]

Regarding Hillis and Foster... it will be very interesting to see where they go in dynasty startups next year. That's a huge part of dynasty rankings - startup dynasty draft position (in fact, to many, THAT'S what rankings are.)

For example - right now, you would think Foster is a first rounder / early second at worst. But does the Ben Tate factor cloud judgement there? Are you willing to burn that first rounder on someone who has a (NFL) second round pick coming back from injury behind him? And Hillis - does Hardesty / him being a white "fullback" / whatever push him to round 3 or 4 (or even 5) in a 12-team PPR startup? How about Brandon Lloyd - where does he go in a startup? Guy had zero trade value all year (much like Hillis.)

Anyone have any thoughts on where you'd take Foster / Hillis / Lloyd in a startup draft? Any other "interesting" guys to add to that (by interesting, I kind of mean former waiver wire guys or lower NFL picks... I don't mean someone like Bowe, who has the pedigree and was drafted to do what he is doing now.)

Personally, I'd take Foster top 3 in a dynasty startup next year without flinching. Foster is on pace for 2,324 yards from scrimmage and 19 TDs. Pedigree didn't stop Terrell Davis or Micheal Turner from becoming excellent fantasy players for years. I never liked Ben Tate, and seriously doubt if he'll have any more impact that Derrick Ward in 2011.

I love Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles as players and do think they are first rounders in start ups, but they have 11 and 13 career TDs respectively. MJD is a stud, but the team he plays for is mercurial at best. That leads to things like his 3 TDs over the first half of this season, or the first half of 2008 when he averaged less than 75 yards from scrimmage and about .5 TDs/game.

Foster is a very good RB in a fantastic situation to produce for years to come. Not sure what's not to like there.

Sounds like a lot of the things were being said about Forte and Slaton 2 years ago, Maroney 3 years ago.....I'm just sayin!

I have been trying to figure out Arian Foster for a while now as well and think this discussion is very interesting. I think a reason I was low on him (and possibly others) coming into the year was twofold:1) The Texans were not high enough on him to refrain from drafting a running back in the third round

2) I was intrigued last year and probably didn't believe a coach would bench a talent or difference maker for one fumble, so part of my hesitance was surely from being leery after a quick benching and almost getting burned by him last year (as apparently many others may have). For those who may not remember:

Arian Foster was benched after rushing just twice for seven yards in Week 15, and fumbling at the end of a 13-yard catch.

Foster appeared poised for a big game during the Texans' first possession, seeing most of the touches on the promising drive. But he fumbled at the Rams' eight-yard line, costing his team at least three points. Foster didn't touch the ball the rest of the way, and Ryan Moats was essentially employed as an every-down back. Foster may get more opportunities in Week 16, but his bust of an effort is going to cost many fantasy owners a shot at a title.

That being said, he did finish the season very strong last year in weeks 16 and 17, so there was reason to believe he could play if given the opportunity. He has clearly shown he can play and has seized the opportunity. So while he may bear a resemblance to Slaton of 2 years ago (I wouldn't put Forte even close to that class as he has still been highly productive), would anyone who watches a number of Texan games care to weigh in with their thoughts on him passing the eye test?

 

[joeymitch]

I've found it to be true that statistics are best used as illumination. More often than we'd like, they tell us what happened after the fact rather than accurately predicting what is about to happen. I know this is a tired example, but it's also a true demonstration of the limits of statistics: You weren't going to find numbers predicting a player like Steve Slaton as a one-year wonder. There was either something that bothered you about his game or there wasn't. I find Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders to be most useful in strengthening previously held opinions. If I wanted to target Steven Jackson and Larry Fitzgerald after their rookie seasons and FO was in love with both players, it made me a lot more confident in what I saw.

By way of wrapping up, this is the player evaluation formula that I've found to be the most successful:

1. Watch as much as you reasonable can (NFL.com Game Rewind now invaluable) to develop strong opinions.

2. Read Rotoworld regularly (or this message board) for updates on changing roles, coaches' opinions, teammates' opinions, analysts' opinions, beat writers' opinions, etc.

3. After you've developed a strong gut instinct from the first two factors, see if the statistics agree or disagree and open your mind accordingly.

4. Find a voice (or voices) in the wilderness that you trust on talent evaluation and future value.

Thanks to those who responded to this discussion. I think the strong opinion in number 1 and the voice in number 4 are both great suggestions.Collaboration is essential to improvement which is why this board is great and I think (even if that voice or voices) disagrees with your assessment or opinion, it allows you to further your evaluation and look under rocks you may have not even seen.

 

[Black]

wow, massive thread. I am having a hard time judging value of a trade in a 10-team PPR dynasty (my team below).

The main part of the trade is P.Thomas (age 25) for Addai (age 27). Both strike me as similar: young-ish vets, injury history, never carried a full load (successfully) through a season, on good offenses, good value in PPR leagues.

Neither has an extension for 2011, although my guess is Addai gets one, and PT is looking for another team.

 

[skycriesmary]

What do you guys think of Steve Smith's (NYG) value going forward? Obviously the dude's got great ability, and in a great system, but he is a FA after this year. What are the chances Eli loses his favorite target? Would they really let him walk, and trust Mario?In another system, I'm assuming his production would go down, unless he lands with one of about four or five teams. Then there's the adjustment period....So, save and take your chances, or sell while he's still ranked in the top 20? Would you rather have a player like K Britt, Boldin, or Maclin?

I like Smith and think the Giants will do everything they can to keep him. Eli trusts him and the two have a nice rapport. If I was going upside, though, I'd rather have Britt or Maclin than Smith. Smith is probably safer than Britt, but I think Britt can be a true #1 fantasy WR while I view Smith as a #2. Boldin's a bit older than the others, so he'd probably be last.

I would definitely go Smith or Maclin. Britt is a head case who could carry you or destroy your squad with one weekend at the strip joint. Why trust a ghetto nut like him for your dynasty team? It's a recipe for disaster as this season showed. You don't have him in the lineup and he blows up. He put him in and he does nothing.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards Britt as well. Smith is the safer play long term, which is the context in which the original question was asked, but Britt has the higher ceiling and risk. I could see Britt going off over the next few weeks, provided he's actually healthy and has Collins throwing him the ball. Nothing like Moss to take double coverage off of him.

 

[Dave Larkin]

Just to let everyone know that John Carlson was dropped in my 12 team offense only dynasty league. I picked him up instantly because I see promise there. He could at least be a backup TE for my team.

What do you guys think of Carlson's prospects long term? When Seattle's offense was rolling a couple of years back, Carlson had a 51 reception season. Can he return to form when Seattle addresses the QB situation?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just to let everyone know that John Carlson was dropped in my 12 team offense only dynasty league. I picked him up instantly because I see promise there. He could at least be a backup TE for my team.What do you guys think of Carlson's prospects long term? When Seattle's offense was rolling a couple of years back, Carlson had a 51 reception season. Can he return to form when Seattle addresses the QB situation?

I think the biggest detriment to his production this season has been the injuries and ineffectives of the Seattle o-line. From what I've seen (albeit in a limited sample size), Carlson has been kept in to block more than he was in the past. Honestly that could laso be part of Carroll's general scheme/game plans (leaving TEs in to block) so that may not change soon - but I think if the line gets healthy and improves Carlson's production should as well. With that said I think he's a good, but not a stud TE and his long term prospects are likely as a TE2 in dynasty, as you state.

 

[benm3218]

Make some moves for Chris Johnson guys. I just traded Forte, James Starks, and Mike Wallace for CJ, Sproles, and Bess.

SO essentially it was CJ for Forte and Wallace. A good value.

 

[Concept Coop]

Make some moves for Chris Johnson guys. I just traded Forte, James Starks, and Mike Wallace for CJ, Sproles, and Bess.SO essentially it was CJ for Forte and Wallace. A good value.

Really good trade for you. I tried to get desperate for CJ in a trade a week ago, and got denied. I offered Bradshaw and AJ for CJ and a WR2/3. When Bradshaw's value goes back up, I think I might make the offer again.

 

[Concept Coop]

I would definitely go Smith or Maclin. Britt is a head case who could carry you or destroy your squad with one weekend at the strip joint. Why trust a ghetto nut like him for your dynasty team? It's a recipe for disaster as this season showed. You don't have him in the lineup and he blows up. He put him in and he does nothing.

"African American ghettos:

Urban areas in the U.S. can often be classified as "black" or "white", with the inhabitants primarily belonging to a homogenous racial grouping.[10] Forty years after the African-American civil rights era (1955–1968), most of the United States remains a residentially segregated society in which blacks and whites inhabit different neighborhoods. Due to poverty and crime, black neighborhoods in the United States are known as "ghettos"."

 

[BrainDeadGenius]

SELL HIGH!

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

This last one is exactly what I'm trying to do. Talking to teams with the 1.03-1.06 rookie picks about acquiring Best. The deals I'm proposing are Best for a mid-early first and guys like Amendola.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would definitely go Smith or Maclin. Britt is a head case who could carry you or destroy your squad with one weekend at the strip joint. Why trust a ghetto nut like him for your dynasty team? It's a recipe for disaster as this season showed. You don't have him in the lineup and he blows up. He put him in and he does nothing.

"African American ghettos:

Urban areas in the U.S. can often be classified as "black" or "white", with the inhabitants primarily belonging to a homogenous racial grouping.[10] Forty years after the African-American civil rights era (1955–1968), most of the United States remains a residentially segregated society in which blacks and whites inhabit different neighborhoods. Due to poverty and crime, black neighborhoods in the United States are known as "ghettos"."

Kenny Britt is from Bayonne, NJ. While it's not the nicest or most affluent City around it's hardly a ghetto.

As of the census[3] of 2000, there were 61,842 people, 25,545 households, and 16,016 families residing in the city. The population density was 10,992.2 people per square mile (4,241.1/km²). There were 26,826 housing units at an average density of 4,768.2/sq mi (1,839.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 78.64% White, 5.52% African American, 0.17% Native American, 4.14% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 7.46% from other races, and 4.02% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 17.81% of the population.

Britt has really only had one "criminal" type transgression and he was cleared on any wrongdoing by the authorities (how many people here were never in a bar shoving match in their early twenties by the way?). Yes his work ethic has been questioned at times and he has shown some immaturity, but he's only 21 years old and has shown this season that he's willing to work on those issues.

 

[Daniel Shirley]

I think the more interesting question is the hit that Gore's value has taken.

Interested as well. Will Gore be 28 and change heading into the 2011 season?

Is this the off-season to send him on his way before his perceived value free-falls due to age (I know I saw a lot of people were making that move last off-season, and for some reason the most common trade people seemed to mention was Gore for JStew)?

 

[ty247]

I think the more interesting question is the hit that Gore's value has taken.

Interested as well. Will Gore be 28 and change heading into the 2011 season?

Is this the off-season to send him on his way before his perceived value free-falls due to age (I know I saw a lot of people were making that move last off-season, and for some reason the most common trade people seemed to mention was Gore for JStew)?

The problem with this is, you may have been able to get away with it earlier... but once he turns that magical age that people perceive as old and throw in a broken hip which is clearly associated with getting old, your window would have already closed. By the time he comes off of injury he will on his way to being 29..

 

[corpcow]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

Hillis is white. Nobody else will admit it, but subconsciously that's why they don't like him.

Personally, that's why I love him - and the way he plays football. Talking about running hot ... running angry.Seriously though - as a Hillis believer and someone who added him in many leagues - his running style does worry me long term. To be honest, I'm somewhat surprised he has held up as well as he has to this point given his workload and style. So, I think if anything is artifically holding him down in the rankings, it is probably that.

 

[Dave Larkin]

SELL HIGH!

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

This last one is exactly what I'm trying to do. Talking to teams with the 1.03-1.06 rookie picks about acquiring Best. The deals I'm proposing are Best for a mid-early first and guys like Amendola.

I'd be interested to see what kind of responses you were getting from teams in the 1.03-1.06 range about him. Would you mind letting us know? I'm a Best owner too and am debating this same move right now.

 

[Go deep]

SELL HIGH!

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

This last one is exactly what I'm trying to do. Talking to teams with the 1.03-1.06 rookie picks about acquiring Best. The deals I'm proposing are Best for a mid-early first and guys like Amendola.

I'd be interested to see what kind of responses you were getting from teams in the 1.03-1.06 range about him. Would you mind letting us know? I'm a Best owner too and am debating this same move right now.

I have a pick in one of my leagues that will be the 1.4 or 1.5, and if i can get Best for it, i would do it in a second. I too would like to hear what kind of deals are getting done with Best for draft picks.

 

[Concept Coop]

I have a pick in one of my leagues that will be the 1.4 or 1.5, and if i can get Best for it, i would do it in a second. I too would like to hear what kind of deals are getting done with Best for draft picks.

It's easy to say that, until you look at the names.If these players were in the same draft class with Best, who would you NOT take over Best? I think Ingram, Green, Blackmon, Jones and LeShore are no-brainers, depending on your starting requirements. Vereen is in range to go late first, like Best. IngramGreenBlackmonJonesLeShoureVereenMurrayFloydBaldwin

 

[Herm23]

I have a pick in one of my leagues that will be the 1.4 or 1.5, and if i can get Best for it, i would do it in a second. I too would like to hear what kind of deals are getting done with Best for draft picks.

It's easy to say that, until you look at the names.If these players were in the same draft class with Best, who would you NOT take over Best? I think Ingram, Green, Blackmon, Jones and LeShore are no-brainers, depending on your starting requirements. Vereen is in range to go late first, like Best. IngramGreenBlackmonJonesLeShoureVereenMurrayFloydBaldwin

I prefer Best to all but Ingram and Green. Those are the only 2 elite prospects in this draft class and everyone else is no safer of a bet than Best is (and I would argue are actually are far more risky and less likely to be a top level player). I don't agree that Jones, Blackmon, and LeShore are even close to no brainers, as I don't think they are elite prospects (although I feel that Blackmon has the best chance of this group to make it).