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Dynasty & Redraft: WR Paul Richardson (1 Viewer)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
It's just a tool, like Bloom and Bremel. That being said, I don't watch thousands of hours of film and I do actually trust that those guys do watch at least enough to make some pretty good educated guesses. Couple that with teams I trust (Giants, Steelers, Packers, Seahawks, 9ers, etc.) vs. teams I don't (Jacksonville, Buffalo, Dallas, ect.) that will kind of give a rough scale of how I view value. It's not that I will stick to those teams specifically and disregard the others but it does have some weight to look at teams that have had long term drafting success. Almost the entirety of Green Bay's roster is comprised of homegrown talent. That's huge.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I don't follow him too much, but I know he got Kennan Allen right last year.
Which of Waldman's calls did it for you?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Brandon Lloyd really. To be honest I just got sick of the audible. Maybe it was unfair to say that Waldman lost me but the whole audible lost me. I get so sick of Cecil talking about Denver this and that. And name dropping all the time.
Papa John's
Footballguy
This.
In short, The kid has some real passion to his game. Nice routes, great speed. While a bit slight, I love how he has a "my ball" mentality. Could take a year or two to come on, but as Wilson develops so should he. High upside dynasty play with limited risk (since his price is still relatively low).
Not true. Waldmen was pretty high on him pre-draft. I managed to pick this guy up in all of my rookie drafts for mostly 3rd rounders. Wasn't going to risk waiting any longer for a guy drafted so high in the NFL and highly touted by a reliable source.cloppbeast said:
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I used some hyperbole to answer the original question: why does Richardson have such a low ADP? Not everybody missed him, but he got very little aggregate attention compared to WRs drafted around him, like Matthews, Lee, Adams, and Latimer. Once the pre-draft hype train gets started for a player, it rarely slows down - only a bad combine can derail it. Most fantasy guys fall in love as quick as a teenage girl - before the NFL draft; they don't seem to change their minds until the NFL games start.
cstu
Footballguy
This was a surprising graph I found in an article by Waldman:
Number of WR's with 3 Pro Bowls Since 1970 by Height
Number of WR's with 3 Pro Bowls Since 1970 by Height
cstu
Footballguy
I don't want to dismiss Stills since I do like him but:
- Richardson was by far Colorado's best offensive player - the next best receiver on the team had 55 catches and less than half his yards and TD's. Colorado's leading rusher averaged 3.8 YPC.
- Stills caught 82 passes his final year and had two teammates catch 73 (Justin Brown) and 62 (Jalen Saunders). Stills had the lowest YPC of the three (11.7 to 12.0 and 13.4).
**As a disclaimer - Richardson is eerily like A.J. Jenkins who I liked in 2012. However, Jenkins seemed to be a bust from day one while Richardson has been impressing so far.
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Papa John's
Footballguy
His 1st year in the league ... then he'll be DeSean Jackson with a better attitude, work ethic and a few more catches. I can live with that.
[EDIT: and, Richardson will have a far better QB for his entire career, than DeSean has had for the majority (if not all) of his career]
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think desean is his upside.
5Rings
Lurker
Simply, I think you can buy him low after this season.That thought process makes no sense. He's a rookie. Even AJ Green didn't have 1000 yds his rookie season. Nor did CJ. You usually know fairly early what these guys ceilings tend to be or whether they are AJ Jenkins/Jon Baldwins. As someone who has him on a lot of my rosters I don't expect much this year but his value has already grown in my eyes through OTAs and Seattles indication that they like what they have recieved. If he flashes just a little bit or gets any traction in that offense no way you're getting the value you're getting him in drafts now kemosabe.I've had 8 rookie drafts and haven't seen him go higher than 3.11.seems to be the last Wr to go, I think the Seattle O scares folks off. I think he starts off providing more value stretching the field and no fantasy value, allowing you to buy him cheap a year from now from frustrated owners. I love th talent but not sure on Seattle
Tau837
Footballguy
Kearse was better than Rice last season, and it wasn't close. Kearse's metrics last year are arguably better than Rice's were in 2012. If you are saying 2009 Rice was better than Kearse is now, I agree, but the comparison isn't particularly meaningful.
Kearse emerged last season and was surprisingly effective. Kearse's catch rate last season was 59.2% (including postseason), his YPR was 16.6, and he caught 6 TDs in 29 receptions. I expect he will continue to improve and will be better this season. I also expect his targets to go up.
More relevant to this thread, it seems unlikely Richardson will approach those numbers this season, if ever (barring further injuries/retirements ahead of him on the depth chart).
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Rice may have been more of a long shot to make the roster than assumed due to his name alone. That being said I was high on Richardson before this just confirms it and makes me a little more intrigued in Chris Matthews.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I don't see Mathews making the 53. Primarily because Lockette did a GREAT job with special teams and I don't think Mathews will out play him there.
Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, Norwood, and Lockette.....They may not even keep 6.
cstu
Footballguy
Despite this comment I did take take Huff in the 21st round of a startup. Boyce was actually a possibility here but seems to be having trouble staying healthy.
He compares well to Maclin (just under an inch shorter and stronger) and is Chip Kelly's guy (used pick 3.22). Four years in Kelly's offense at Oregon.
Pro Day times used:
Maclin: 6-0 1/8", 198, 4.43 (1.54 10 split), 35.5" vertical, 10'00" broad, 7.06 3 cone, 4.25 SS
Huff: 5-11 2/8", 206, 4.47 (1.54 10 split), 37" vertical, 9'10" broad, 6.96 3 cone, 4.12 SS
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Besides measurables I think Huff also runs smooth routes. He has pretty good flexibility. Plus, for what it's worth, he's obviously a guy Chip Kelly likes having around. Why doesn't he have his own thread?
Hopefully Huff works out well for you. I also got him in the 4th of my rookie draft, instead of your boy Abbrederis.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Huff was another guy who was sneaking around late. A lot of players got drafted at the Hollywood positions and it allowed them slip in the draft. Another guy who is completely flying under the radar due to his landing spot is Ryan Grant. He had good reports out of OTA's.
cstu
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I don't get to watch pre-season games, but I heard Richardson caught some passes. How did he look?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
How is Richardson looking on the field? Does he have a shot to do something? Build reminds me of Donald Driver.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I tried to generate some discussion about him a few weeks ago, but nobody bit. The cool kids would rather on [Trent] Richardson.
As underrated as [Paul] Richardson is in dynasty, I had felt it's more so in redraft. Who better does Seattle have to catch deep balls for this season? But, I've gotten a little disconcerting that he has only ran with the 2nd and 3rd team this pre-season and hasn't dominated the stat line. He's had a solid camp without Brandin Cooks type of hype, but it seems like Seattle thinks he has a ways to go.
As underrated as [Paul] Richardson is in dynasty, I had felt it's more so in redraft. Who better does Seattle have to catch deep balls for this season? But, I've gotten a little disconcerting that he has only ran with the 2nd and 3rd team this pre-season and hasn't dominated the stat line. He's had a solid camp without Brandin Cooks type of hype, but it seems like Seattle thinks he has a ways to go.
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) Kearse. That's unlikely to happen this year.
Fireinside
Footballguy
I think Seattle has too good thing going on at the moment so there's no hurry of Paul to get involved.
He will be asset and a excellent receiver, but not this year and maybe not even next year either.
Seahawks is just too good at the moment. The difference will be if Percy Harvin gets hurt, that's
when they need the speed of Richardson. Don't know if he can do the same things as Harvin,
but he can stretch the field and be some kind of help if that happens. All I've read is that the camp
has been impressive as hell, so if you wanna get this guy cheap, now is your time.
He will be asset and a excellent receiver, but not this year and maybe not even next year either.
Seahawks is just too good at the moment. The difference will be if Percy Harvin gets hurt, that's
when they need the speed of Richardson. Don't know if he can do the same things as Harvin,
but he can stretch the field and be some kind of help if that happens. All I've read is that the camp
has been impressive as hell, so if you wanna get this guy cheap, now is your time.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Redraft prospects now?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
No. Keep looking? This is a dynasty thread.
cstu
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He looks really good FWIW....I think he's by far and away the most talented WR on the hawks roster. Then again, cmike is the most talented RB and they have buried his ###.
Fireinside
Footballguy
As seahawks fan, I really did not see this coming. As a fantasy owner of Robinson, I was worried that Percy will get hurt.
Robinson's role will only get bigger as Seahawks need playmakers.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Marshawn Lynch is the most talented RB on that team.ImTheScientist said:
Not sure if it'll translate to much fantasy value this year, but put me down for someone who thought he looked pretty solid in the snaps he did play on Sunday in St. Louis. The fast track in the dome probably helped with the eye test for me, but still, a pretty good start in this post-Harvin era for Richardson.
zamboni
Footballguy
A related question is whether Baldwin is good enough to be the go-to guy in the passing game, which seems to be an increasing part of the game plan with the defense not as dominant. Wilson is smart enough to not force the ball to Baldwin if he's not getting open, and if he's not, that could open up target opportunities for a guy like Richardson.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Anyone else have observations or further thoughts on him, especially in dynasty?
Ryan Swope's Pro Career
Footballguy
Too early to tell IMO.
I feel like next season the aim will be to move him into the role they signed Harvin to fill, but with te WR turmoil this season he has had to just full a general, safe role to get him involved and see what his physical talents can do. This offseason is big for him especially; it'll be interesting to see if they try and get him working on a more specialized role to accommodate his skill set.
He can be anything from a capable starter a la Emmanuel Sanders (not in skill set but in production potential) to another flash-in-the-pan Hawks WR.
Hooper31
Footballguy
He has played well as of late. Shown good hands and has won separation. That said, I don't think its a good idea to plan for any WR in Seattle to be a consistent fantasy option.
More involved the last two weeks against some good defenses. Didn't really expect anything this year anyways. He still hasn't really put his insane speed to use.
I think he is a hold in dynasty, but would feel stronger on it if he can continue to produce this week and in the playoffs.
