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Dynasty Rookie Draft Info (1 Viewer)

Dr. Octopus

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Does anyone have the info handy or know where one can find the hit/miss rate of dynasty rookie draft picks (players) based on ADP for the last 5-10 years?

I looked into the first round picks for about an 6 year period once, and surprisingly (or not so surprisingly) the success rate of those players were below 50% - and that was somewhat skewed by the amazing 2008 rookie draft where there was hardly a "miss" in Round 1.

I think the results would be interesting.

 
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I think it would be very interesting to see the ratio related to each round and see how far the numbers fall each round.

Very good topic and hopefully someone has saved the ADP info and will be able to break it down percentage wise :popcorn:

 
I've done this for my main league before - not using ADP - and it's pretty bad. I want to say it was like 40 percent (at the most) or something for the first round over the past 10 years in our league.

Some first-rounders I remember from over the years:

Julius Jones

Kevin Jones

Eric Shelton

J.J. Arrington

Brandon Jackson

JaMarcus Russell

Mike Williams (Detroit)

Braylon Edwards

Troy Williamson

 
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The tough part is defining "hit" or "success". Can be pretty subjective and/or dependent on league set up.

There are quite a few obvious hits and quite a few obvious busts, but there are also a lot in the middle.

 
This was sparked for me because of this article regarding the hit/miss ratio regarding the WR's in the NFL draft.

Pretty interesting findings over 10 years and wanted to see how Rookie Drafts turned out as well.

To avoid making future draft mistakes we must first learn from the past. Although every draft is different, there have been some trends that have played out over the years. Based on draft results from 2000-2010, here are some of the facts we’ve encountered about the wide receiver position.

With the NFL rules strongly promoting the passing game, a successful team can’t make a deep playoff run without an excellent quarterback. As we all know, a quarterback will make receivers better and in certain situations an elite receiver will assist young quarterbacks.

The recent trend is that first round wide receivers have been working out. Seven of the last eight receivers selected in the first round have been solid players and this bodes well for the likes of Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, Kendall Wright and possibly Stephen Hill who are all expected to go in Round 1.

After examining all the wide receivers drafted from 2000-2010, our statistics tell us that selecting a wideout is little more than a roll of the dice. Whereas you might strike gold with the Johnsons in the first round (Andre or Calvin), there’s a better chance you’ll get the other Johnson (Bryant) or a shiny new Reggie Williams or Matt Jones. We’ve found that only 40 percent (18 of 45) of wide receivers selected in the first round have worked out.

Do the stats look any better in the second round?

The risk certainly lessens when making a second-round pick as far as money and both fan and media scrutiny. Second round wide receivers still have a less than desirable 22.4 percent hit rate (11 of 49), but taking into account the smaller risk Round 2 seems like a safer spot to take one. Former Pro Bowlers Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (Johnson), Anquan Boldin, Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings and Devin Hester were all selected in the second round. The 17.6 percent dropoff in hit rate from the first round to the second round is the lowest of any offensive position.

We know that most receivers are divas and we’ve established that it’s a risk to select one in the first round. The second round has proven to yield diminishing returns with very diminishing risk. What about Round 3? Teams have hit on just under 15 percent of their wide receiver selections in the third round (8 of 55). Where we have found some gems such as the Panthers Steve Smith and the Steelers Mike Wallace, there have been numerous putrid selections such as Eric Crouch, Yamon Figurs, Travis Williams and Devard Darling.

How do the percentages look in the later rounds?

There were 215 receivers selected from Rounds 4-7 throughout our sample and only 14 of those players amounted to solid selections. Those include studs such as Brandon Marshall, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Marques Colston, Brandon Lloyd and Steve Johnson who had a major impact at their positions during the 2010 season. Although there’s no arguing those players were all great picks, only Buffalo’s Steve Johnson and New Orleans’ Marques Colston are still with the original team that selected them.

So are receivers really a dime a dozen? Tom Brady won a trio of Super Bowls with relatively average guys like David Givens, Deion Branch and David Patten so if the quarterback is great enough he can make up for deficiencies elsewhere. A top-flight receiver isn’t nearly as valuable as an elite quarterback, but truly elite passing game’s occur when there are both. When you compare the hit percentages of receivers selected in each round, we find that Round Two is the most advantageous place to select your next number one wideout.
http://www.espnflorida.com/insider-fun-with-draft-stats-wrs/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=insider-fun-with-draft-stats-wrs
 
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The tough part is defining "hit" or "success". Can be pretty subjective and/or dependent on league set up.There are quite a few obvious hits and quite a few obvious busts, but there are also a lot in the middle.
That's definately true and hopefully its one of those "I recognize it when I see it" type of things. Also I don't think the success has to be immediate, so a WR that doesn't break out until his third season is a "hit".It's ceratainly not an easy exercise though and there may be a bit of subjectivity.
 
I think a more meaningful analysis would be identifying your hits and misses (not just guys on your teams, but guys you liked and disliked too) then determining what factors caused those player to exceed expectations or fall short.

I know, personally, it's helped me a lot in recent years in constructing my teams.

 
I think a more meaningful analysis would be identifying your hits and misses (not just guys on your teams, but guys you liked and disliked too) then determining what factors caused those player to exceed expectations or fall short.I know, personally, it's helped me a lot in recent years in constructing my teams.
I'm not really asking this as a means to improve my rookie drafting skills, but more out of curiosity. I know some people lover their rookie picks, some trade them away at the drop of a hat - I'm somewhere in the middle - so was just wondering where the truth lies.As far as identifying my misses, I was one of the few people on Earth to not capitalize on the Great 2008 Rookie draft, taking Devin Thomas at 1.09 :bag: .
 
If someone does have this info, break it out by position. That would be interesting.

I DO have a similar set of info, based on my own 16 team IDP league. I broke it out by draft spot (was interested to see if particular spots in the draft tended to be "safer" than others, ignoring teams by years and their needs).

What I found over a 7 year run was that, coincidence or whatever, the 1.08 and 1.09 spot held, by far, the worst "hit rate". On the surface it makes sense becasue people tend to reach for RBs and the consensus guys are gone and until recently, that was usually the QB spot and the jury remains out on them longer. But that was the result. The other result that caught my eye is that the 1.11 and 1.12 spot was a much higher hit rate than the 1.04-1.06. Again, IDP and what I saw from that was top LBers are often taken there so maybe its a very safe pick.

 
I think a more meaningful analysis would be identifying your hits and misses (not just guys on your teams, but guys you liked and disliked too) then determining what factors caused those player to exceed expectations or fall short.I know, personally, it's helped me a lot in recent years in constructing my teams.
I'm not really asking this as a means to improve my rookie drafting skills, but more out of curiosity. I know some people lover their rookie picks, some trade them away at the drop of a hat - I'm somewhere in the middle - so was just wondering where the truth lies.As far as identifying my misses, I was one of the few people on Earth to not capitalize on the Great 2008 Rookie draft, taking Devin Thomas at 1.09 :bag: .
It really depends year to year.2008 I was content with my #7 pick, sat there and waited for whoever of Ray Rice and Chris Johnson (Johnson fell) would fall. I won in 2008 and didn't have the depth to make any deals so I sat on my #12 pick, tried to trade it for a future 1 but had no bites so I took Laurinaitis (IDP league) because the offense available was uninspiring. 2010 I used my #10 pick and an injured Welker to move up to #3 and get Dez because I did not like the class outside of him and Best. 2011 I did not like how things were looking at my #7 pick so I moved it for a #1 this year and a #3 last year. This year I'm sitting on picks 5 (the pick I traded for) and 12 (mine, after winning again). I don't know what is going to be available at 5, but I'm confident I'll like my options. I expect RG3, Luck, Blackmon, Martin, and Miller to be picks 2-6 so as long as 2 of those guys don't go to bad situations I'm in a great spot. I hope to move my 12th pick for a future 1, but may take one of the stud LB's again if I can't get a future 1 for it. I'm expecting a cliff dive in offensive talent after about pick #8 or 9 and not surprisingly none of them are looking to trade out of the pick. Maybe come draft day I'll be able to move back to 8 or so to get Floyd or Wright and add a future 1 too, not planning on it though.That's my long winded way of saying, it depends what's available. I don't trade for pick #'s, I trade for specific players. I mean, I'm trading for pick #'s months in advance, but once the off season comes around I want to move around to get into spots to get the players that I want. If I can't get the players that I want I trade for future #1's instead.
 
If someone does have this info, break it out by position. That would be interesting. I DO have a similar set of info, based on my own 16 team IDP league. I broke it out by draft spot (was interested to see if particular spots in the draft tended to be "safer" than others, ignoring teams by years and their needs).What I found over a 7 year run was that, coincidence or whatever, the 1.08 and 1.09 spot held, by far, the worst "hit rate". On the surface it makes sense becasue people tend to reach for RBs and the consensus guys are gone and until recently, that was usually the QB spot and the jury remains out on them longer. But that was the result. The other result that caught my eye is that the 1.11 and 1.12 spot was a much higher hit rate than the 1.04-1.06. Again, IDP and what I saw from that was top LBers are often taken there so maybe its a very safe pick.
By position and by round is what I'm looking for.Pretty well established that the 1st round is just below or near 50 percent so I would assume the numbers just keep falling round by round at a pretty drastic rate because of the talent pool shrinking.Just take a 10 year(or more)cycle and see what the numbers say overall for each round and then by position and I'm pretty sure most of us would be shocked at how bad the falloff is from round to round.
 
I have been in a dynasty league since 1997 and in this league using only the top 2 picks from 1997-2007 it was right around 50% for just the top 2 guys.

 
I have been in a dynasty league since 1997 and in this league using only the top 2 picks from 1997-2007 it was right around 50% for just the top 2 guys.
Wow. While I expected the hit rate for the top 2 picks to not be great, I would have expected better than 50/50. Then again, how one defines hit/bust/etc. has a huge impact on this sort of analysis.
 
I have been in a dynasty league since 1997 and in this league using only the top 2 picks from 1997-2007 it was right around 50% for just the top 2 guys.
Wow. While I expected the hit rate for the top 2 picks to not be great, I would have expected better than 50/50. Then again, how one defines hit/bust/etc. has a huge impact on this sort of analysis.
1st round RB's usually play well, but injuries are a major factor. Some of them don't live up to expectations like Reggie Bush, but RB is the easiest position to scout.
 
I have been in a dynasty league since 1997 and in this league using only the top 2 picks from 1997-2007 it was right around 50% for just the top 2 guys.
Wow. While I expected the hit rate for the top 2 picks to not be great, I would have expected better than 50/50. Then again, how one defines hit/bust/etc. has a huge impact on this sort of analysis.
1st round RB's usually play well, but injuries are a major factor. Some of them don't live up to expectations like Reggie Bush, but RB is the easiest position to scout.
But my thought is that it's all the RBs that people reach for in the first round of fantasy rookie drafts that is largely responsible for the high bust rate. (I know you were talking about NFL first-rounders, but still.)
 
I have been in a dynasty league since 1997 and in this league using only the top 2 picks from 1997-2007 it was right around 50% for just the top 2 guys.
Wow. While I expected the hit rate for the top 2 picks to not be great, I would have expected better than 50/50. Then again, how one defines hit/bust/etc. has a huge impact on this sort of analysis.
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