Glad someone started this thread.I guess it depends on who take a back. If the Jags, Colts, Steelers, and Pats all take one, I'd guess the dropoff is after pick 7 (4 backs, 3 QB's).Who goes where? 1 thru 12.
In the past there's usually a big drop off in round 1. Where do you think that is?
yeah this from the guy that has probably mocked a draft 8000 times by nowI really need to see the draft first.
Why no Greenway?Moss probably 12 there huh? Think his bro's success could make him jump a little higher? IE some FFer giving that weight?I see a few tiers so far. I play only IDP, TE required so thats what I'm going on here.
1-4 are the top 4 RBs, Bush/White/Maroney/Williams. Big drop down to......
5-11 is VDavis, Leinart, Young, Cutler, Addai, Holmes, and Jackson. This tie is more liquid right now.
12-17 is Hawk, Calhoun, Lewis, Byrd, Pope, Mario Williams.
I think the next tier all depends on situation, like for Norwood, Drew, Ryans, etc.....
I saw that offdee, alot's happenned since January 10th. Alot of speculation, combine, pro days, mocks everywhere now etc.
This seems about right to me. My break-down is slightly different, but similar...1 - BushI see a few tiers so far. I play only IDP, TE required so thats what I'm going on here.
1-4 are the top 4 RBs, Bush/White/Maroney/Williams. Big drop down to......
5-11 is VDavis, Leinart, Young, Cutler, Addai, Holmes, and Jackson. This tie is more liquid right now.
12-17 is Hawk, Calhoun, Lewis, Byrd, Pope, Mario Williams.
I think the next tier all depends on situation, like for Norwood, Drew, Ryans, etc.....
Yeah but those are trying to project the draft. It's a simple process. Dynasty rankings are dependent on the outcome of the actual process (to large degree). I'll rank them, but there's unwritten "if drafted by thens" attached to every name. Rank not draft position below...yeah this from the guy that has probably mocked a draft 8000 times by nowI really need to see the draft first.Cmon, play along
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(thanks)Why not giddy?I'm not giddy over Vernon Davis from a fantasy perspective, but he would be #11 on that list.
Moss could be in the third tier somewhere, no doubt; I'm just not as high on him. Of course its all relative to where he goes.With the LB depth in this draft (and situation, of course), I see Hawk as head and shoulders above anybody else, which is why he's the only LB I have in tier 1-3. I think a Greenway-type player would be available in round 3 or later--guys that I would put on his level Fantasy wise are guys like Ryans, Hodge, DQ, and Sims.Why no Greenway?Moss probably 12 there huh? Think his bro's success could make him jump a little higher? IE some FFer giving that weight?I see a few tiers so far. I play only IDP, TE required so thats what I'm going on here.
1-4 are the top 4 RBs, Bush/White/Maroney/Williams. Big drop down to......
5-11 is VDavis, Leinart, Young, Cutler, Addai, Holmes, and Jackson. This tie is more liquid right now.
12-17 is Hawk, Calhoun, Lewis, Byrd, Pope, Mario Williams.
I think the next tier all depends on situation, like for Norwood, Drew, Ryans, etc.....
I think Davis should go 4 but agree he'll go 5. I could see him being good for a lllong time if he pans out. Alot of RB careers end quick.
Even thoug you are in my leagueWho goes where? 1 thru 12.
In the past there's usually a big drop off in round 1. Where do you think that is?
If you need to just start DB's as opposed to CB's, some rosters won't have a single cornerback. Safeties are safer bets.Corners that have more value:never been in an IDP dynasty league
what's the deal with top CBs? They go early, well somewhat, or is it better to draft a lesser CB that'll be tested more by NFL teams?
true about safeties and DBs, brainfart I guess.Anyway though how do you rank em'? Top CB=Top IDP CB or lesser talented CB=top IDP CB because of opportunity?If you need to just start DB's as opposed to CB's, some rosters won't have a single cornerback. Safeties are safer bets.Corners that have more value:never been in an IDP dynasty league
what's the deal with top CBs? They go early, well somewhat, or is it better to draft a lesser CB that'll be tested more by NFL teams?
Ones that double as punt returners.
Guys in Cover-2 schemes tend to get more picks.
Either way, they get about as much love in rookie drafts as defensive tackles-which is to say, not a lot.
Supply and demand. The NFL is packed with productive and potentially productive tight ends right now. Gates(thanks)Why not giddy?I'm not giddy over Vernon Davis from a fantasy perspective, but he would be #11 on that list.
Agreed. I'm so leery of the WRs that I would rank Davis above any of them in any TE mandatory format. He would rank with the best of them in a non TE mandatory format, but that's as much a criticism of these turd receivers as it is praise for Vernon (davidboston) Davis.But, with flex leagues, Davis is more valuable IMO than any of the WRs, and arguably as valuable as Maroney/White.
Even thoug you are in my leagueWho goes where? 1 thru 12.
In the past there's usually a big drop off in round 1. Where do you think that is?and draft 5th, here is my thoughts on how I, personally, would draft each position assuming standard scoring:1.01 Bush - Easy
1.02 or 1.03 - White/Williams seem solid there. Small chance Maroney is drafted to a good enough spot to jump into 1.03
1.04 - Maroney
BIG DROPOFF IN TERMS OF VALUE
1.05 - Choice of QB or Addai or Chad Jackson. My experience is that this pick will be Addai if he gets drafted into a decent enough situation. If no, it will be Leinart.
1.06 - Leinart or Addai
1.07 - You are now into the range of top WR, QB2, or Davis. I do not like drafting TEs this high so it is either Young or Jackson. I see this coming down to need and where drafted. I will say Jackson
DROPOFF
1.08 - Young
1.09 - At this point, the choices are: QB3 (cutler), TE (davis), WR2 (Holmes), or next tier of RBs (Harrison, Calhoun, Drew, Norwood, etc.). Davis stands out at this point. It comes down to Davis or Holmes for me. Davis is special.
1.10 - Holmes is a steal here, depending on where drafted (of course)
BIG DROPOFF
1.11 - Choices are: QB3 (cutler), WR3 (moss), or RBs. I think this pick should go RB depending on where you have these RBs ranked. I like Calhoun more.
1.12 - Next RB on the list - Harrison
A very good resource is Bloom: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=norwood++mills
VerySupply and demand. The NFL is packed with productive and potentially productive tight ends right now. Gates(thanks)Why not giddy?I'm not giddy over Vernon Davis from a fantasy perspective, but he would be #11 on that list.
Gonzo
Shockey
Heap
Witten
Crumpler
McMicheal
Miller
Clark
Smith
Watson
Cooley
Stevens
Winslow
Troupe
Putzier
I'm probably missing one or two. I don't see a premium on TEs. It is one of the more difficult positions to learn. It isn't a big scoring position. Watson was a first round freak. He hasn't paid off (yet). I'd rather increase my chances of hitting on an RB by drafting a couple of them before looking at TEs. The supply is also rich in rookies. Davis has great tools, but what offense will he be in? If Pope goes to a high powered offense and Davis goes to a struggling team, I may prefer Pope.
Yeah but those are trying to project the draft. It's a simple process. Dynasty rankings are dependent on the outcome of the actual process (to large degree). I'll rank them, but there's unwritten "if drafted by thens" attached to every name. Rank not draft position below...yeah this from the guy that has probably mocked a draft 8000 times by nowI really need to see the draft first.Cmon, play along
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1. Reggie Bush
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Vince Young
4. LenDale White
5. Jerious Norwood![]()
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6. Laurence Maroney
7. Jerome Harrison
8. Maurice Drew
9. Brian Calhoun
10 Joseph Addai
9 RBs and a QB. I wouldn't take another position until these players were exhausted if I had to draft before the draft.
In an IDP league, and if I had need at LB, Hawk would be in the 3rd tier. The WRs I like in this draft are sleepers. I'll pass on Holmes, Jackson, Moss...
I'm interested in Demetrius Williams, Maurice Stovall, Brandon Marshall, Martin Nance and a few others.
I'm not giddy over Vernon Davis from a fantasy perspective, but he would be #11 on that list.
It's a self-fulfilling fallacy, good IDPs are always available late, because everyone drafts them late.could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
i guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
1. because idps are the easiest position to get off the waiver wire if you do your homework. Esp dbs.2. really hard to project how successful a DE is going to be fantasy wise. Even if he is a big time DE, he might get stuck with double teams that leave him with even less of a fantasy impact than a lot of DEs already suffer from.could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
That looks like a solid prediction. I also think that Jerome Harrison and Maurice Drew will crack the top 12 in a lot of leagues.My prediction for rookie drafts
1) Bush
2) White
3) Williams
4) Maroney
5) Addai
6) C Jackson
7) Leinart
8) Calhoun
9) Young
10) Holmes
11) Davis
12) Norwood
1. because idps are the easiest position to get off the waiver wire if you do your homework. Esp dbs.I disagree that IDPs are the easiest position to get off the WW how many solid starting LBs do you find on waivers? I agree about DBs they are a dime a dozencould someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
2. really hard to project how successful a DE is going to be fantasy wise. Even if he is a big time DE, he might get stuck with double teams that leave him with even less of a fantasy impact than a lot of DEs already suffer from.
I agree i wouldnt draft a DE early not even the top ranked one...LB is however a different beast
3. Scheme can really affect a fantasy player's output, and that can change from year to year. Look at DJ Williams, or David Thornton. Those two would be ff studs if they weren't stuck at SLB. That's why if I draft an lb early, I'll either go with a surefire stud like AJ Hawk(or Vilma, in the past), or go with a lb who is too small to play anything other than mlb.
As if scheme doesnt effect RBs WRs or QBs?
dbs and DEs? meh. with very few exceptions those are gambles for later rounds and off waivers.
Thanks. Holmes could drop out, Calhoun could fall and Norwood might be a little too high. Drew and Harrison will be right there as you said. I'm really trying to get a feel for whether I'll get a top 10 RB at my 2.07 pick in Z30. Based on the rookie draft ADP from last year I would, but there were also alot more WRs to take last year. I'm thinking there could be 14 RBs taken in the first 19 picks. :(That looks like a solid prediction. I also think that Jerome Harrison and Maurice Drew will crack the top 12 in a lot of leagues.My prediction for rookie drafts
1) Bush
2) White
3) Williams
4) Maroney
5) Addai
6) C Jackson
7) Leinart
8) Calhoun
9) Young
10) Holmes
11) Davis
12) Norwood
Derick Johnson went at 2.04, Ware at 2.08 and Merriman at 2.10 last year.Lofa Totup went at 5.10 and Odell Thurman at 5.02.could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
i guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
That is the question.Put Hawk at MLB in San Fran, and I'm picking him top 10.Why is Hawk being set so high? I see him as a Sam in the bigs - especially given his coverage skills, which ought to really hurt his production.
Actually you can find lbs off waivers. Maybe not longterm ones, and not usually studs, but definitely ones to help get you through the season. But that statement I made was more for dbs really. DEs and Lbs, eh, case by case.And as far as scheme, yes it's more important for lbs than it is for rbs, qbs, or wrs imo. As long as a rb or wr has talent and can get a starting role, then they are way more valuable than most linebackers. In fact, a rb or wr with talent that is likely to get a starting gig is more valuable than most linebackers.1. because idps are the easiest position to get off the waiver wire if you do your homework. Esp dbs.I disagree that IDPs are the easiest position to get off the WW how many solid starting LBs do you find on waivers? I agree about DBs they are a dime a dozencould someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
2. really hard to project how successful a DE is going to be fantasy wise. Even if he is a big time DE, he might get stuck with double teams that leave him with even less of a fantasy impact than a lot of DEs already suffer from.
I agree i wouldnt draft a DE early not even the top ranked one...LB is however a different beast
3. Scheme can really affect a fantasy player's output, and that can change from year to year. Look at DJ Williams, or David Thornton. Those two would be ff studs if they weren't stuck at SLB. That's why if I draft an lb early, I'll either go with a surefire stud like AJ Hawk(or Vilma, in the past), or go with a lb who is too small to play anything other than mlb.
As if scheme doesnt effect RBs WRs or QBs?
dbs and DEs? meh. with very few exceptions those are gambles for later rounds and off waivers.
Because some IDP scoring systems aren't very well balanced. O players score a lot more than D players in some systems, which makes O players much more valuable (obviously, I know).Here's how our early IDPs shook out in the draft last year:2.01 Demarcus Ware, LB, DAL2.03 Derrick Johnson, LB, KC2.06 Marcus Spears, DE, DAL2.07 Kevin Burnett, LB, DAL2.14 Shawne Merriman, LB, SD3.01 Erasmus James, DE MIN3.02 David Pollack, DE, CIN3.07 Channing Crowder, LB, MIA3.08 Barrett Ruud, LB, TB3.10 Odell Thurman, LB, CIN3.11 Darryl Blackstock, LB, AZ4.01 Thomas Davis, S/LB, CAR4.02 Antrel Rolle, CB, AZcould someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...i hear it for rook drafts I hear it in vet draftsi want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say thati guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
:hijack:Hawk would play outside in SF, as Derek Smith and Jeff Ulbrich are inside. There is a huge gaping hole opposite Brandon Moore, however.That is the question.Put Hawk at MLB in San Fran, and I'm picking him top 10.Why is Hawk being set so high? I see him as a Sam in the bigs - especially given his coverage skills, which ought to really hurt his production.
Put him as SLB in Green Bay, drop him to 20ish.
I'll take two, thanks.I'm thinking there could be 14 RBs taken in the first 19 picks. :(
You have been here long enough to know there wll be more both before and after the draft.This would have been a good thread after the NFL Draft.
Derick Johnson went at 2.04, Ware at 2.08 and Merriman at 2.10 last year.Lofa Totup went at 5.10 and Odell Thurman at 5.02.could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
i guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
Value is there later, whereas at spots like RB its much more limited.
1st i should add I only play in 16 team IDP leagues(4 of them) and the scoring in all of them is basically 2pts/tackle 1pt/assist 2 or 3pts /sack 1.5pt/pass defended 2or3pts for INTsand Secondly my point is more around the blanket statements about not drafting an IDP early...Because some IDP scoring systems aren't very well balanced. O players score a lot more than D players in some systems, which makes O players much more valuable (obviously, I know).Here's how our early IDPs shook out in the draft last year:could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
i guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
2.01 Demarcus Ware, LB, DAL
2.03 Derrick Johnson, LB, KC
2.06 Marcus Spears, DE, DAL
2.07 Kevin Burnett, LB, DAL
2.14 Shawne Merriman, LB, SD
3.01 Erasmus James, DE MIN
3.02 David Pollack, DE, CIN
3.07 Channing Crowder, LB, MIA
3.08 Barrett Ruud, LB, TB
3.10 Odell Thurman, LB, CIN
3.11 Darryl Blackstock, LB, AZ
4.01 Thomas Davis, S/LB, CAR
4.02 Antrel Rolle, CB, AZ
Here's the basics...1 main RB per team.... = 32could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
i guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
*******. Take a crappy WR in front of me. Please!I'll take two, thanks.I'm thinking there could be 14 RBs taken in the first 19 picks. :(
That's not quite true.....There's usually 1 or 2 main tacklers on each team, so not all LBs are created equal.Here's the basics...1 main RB per team.... = 32could someone please explain to me why everyone seems to say that they wouldnt take an IDP that high...
i hear it for rook drafts
I hear it in vet drafts
i want to hear the extended logical reasoning why people say that
i guess i want to know who drafted Shelton over Vilma as an example
2-3 main LBs per team.. = 64-96
It's te ame for all the other IDP positions. There are a TON of guys scoring respectable point totals. That's why people use their draft picks looking for the next Top10 RB, QB, WR and wait on the IDPs.