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I like that deal.
Even if he re-signs in Clevland? He's not that old - I might hang on for one more year and let him post another 1,000+ yard season, then deal him.
Why sell Portis? He had 2 starters missing from the o-line all year. Or are you worried about the new coaching change?
Depends on what you get of course, I just don't see his value going higher. He'll be 29 this year, 30 seems to be the magical age where RBs are impossible to trade. You might be able to land a player like Gates, Cutler, Colston, or possibly Lynch. If you're focusing on 2008, Jamal might be a good player to trade for, but I usually look 3 years out.
I believe he's trying to say you won't get any of those players for Lewis.. and I completely agree. Best case scenario: Leon Washington.
He has a lot more mileage on him than the typically 26 year old though. That said, I don't think I'd sell high on him. He's more of a hold in my book.
If that's the case, then I will be buying Lewis in every league I'm in. Lewis was a top 10 RB, in some formats top 5. In 2 of my leagues where we start up to 3 RBs, there's no doubt that he'd cost a good player. For some reason, in a couple of y leagues, more people play for the upcoming year than the more distant future, whereas some other leagues seem to have half the league rebuilding.I believe he's trying to say you won't get any of those players for Lewis.. and I completely agree. Best case scenario: Leon Washington.
It certainly depends on format and I always think of start 2 RBs and PPR by default, so obviously Lewis is worth a bit less with those constraints. His numbers are actually a bit better than I thought now that I'm really taking a look at them, but my own misconception of his performance seems to justify my suspicions that he won't fetch as much in a trade as he should. I really doubt Colston is attainable for Lewis, but possibly Cutler depending on the trade partner's needs. Washington was a bad suggestion... maybe Kevin Jones or DeAngelo Williams would be more comparable to Lewis' value and I'd probably sell Jamal and roll the dice on one of those younger guys.If that's the case, then I will be buying Lewis in every league I'm in. Lewis was a top 10 RB, in some formats top 5. In 2 of my leagues where we start up to 3 RBs, there's no doubt that he'd cost a good player. For some reason, in a couple of y leagues, more people play for the upcoming year than the more distant future, whereas some other leagues seem to have half the league rebuilding.I believe he's trying to say you won't get any of those players for Lewis.. and I completely agree. Best case scenario: Leon Washington.
Lynch is probably a bit much, but he went for fairly cheap in one of my leagues earlier this year. The others may be attainable depending on your league. In a few of my leagues TEs don't get extra points. In one, Gates was drafted in the in the 5th round initial draft (granted, this was good value). I have Cutler ranked around the #10-12 QB, again, in my leagues, lower ranked QBs (meaning those outside of Brady, Peyton, and Romo) just don't cost that much. Colston is at best IMO #12-15 WR.
Obviously "sell high" requires there to be buyers buying at the price, but a top 10 RB should be worth more than Leon Washington, even if it's just for one year.
You either have McGahee & Moss or you don't. It would be easier to tell you who you could get for who you actually have .
By putting the words "type players" he is allowed to post that question here. Once he asks about those players specifically, he knows he is now asking an ACF question. However, he is most definetly asking what he should get for those specific players.
That would be selling LJ low. He is a buy or hold IMHO ...I tried moving LJ & TO. No bites
He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.Other sell highs--Welker, Favre, D. Anderson, Michael Turner, Tony GonzalezEBF said:awesomeness said:
Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh. Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.EBF said:awesomeness said:He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh. Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.EBF said:awesomeness said:He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
Add in the fact that CJ has a good chance of going elsewhere and TJ won't be anywhere near as successful without an elite #1 across from him drawing all the coverage. EBF's statement above "He's an above average WR in an ideal situation" is the perfect description. He's the Josef Addai (as has been discussed at length) at WR x 10. I agree with EBF's list above with the exception of Evans and Burress. I also wouldn't trade him for Ward or Coles, but it didn't sound like you were saying they were comparable anyway. All the rest, in a hearbeat. The beauty is, you can get even more thrown in for at least half of those guys if you make it look like you're getting the short end. There will be at least one person in your league that would drastically overpay for him.
One went down in my league last week that was basically Willie Parker for Jamal Lewis.I backpedaled on that already. However, I'd still be curious to see any actual trades people have made involving Lewis. I really don't think he can fetch as much in reality as he should on paper.Fear & Loathing said:valhallan said:
Housh is a good choice. How do you sell high on Favre? If you get anything? I just doubt anyone would trade for him today, maybe after he announces his return, you could get a lower draft pick or... Leon Washington.Welker is interesting. If you're able to get players who produced roughly the same as he did in PPR - 85, Fitz, Colston Burress, I'd jump on it. I suspect his perceived value in either format is among those who produced similar stats in non-PPR leagues, you're looking at Engram, Curtis, and Cotchery.
I have been in a Dynasty league for three years and own both Ward and TJ. Housh has by far been a greater asset to my team.Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.EBF said:awesomeness said:He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.
I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh.
Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.
I agree with EBF's list above with the exception of Evans and Burress. I also wouldn't trade him for Ward or Coles, but it didn't sound like you were saying they were comparable anyway. All the rest, in a hearbeat. The beauty is, you can get even more thrown in for at least half of those guys if you make it look like you're getting the short end. There will be at least one person in your league that would drastically overpay for him.
Couldn't agree more. The Cincy situation will definitely be worth watching since Henry or Chad Johnson may be jettisoned this offseason. Housh's value this year came from his inflated TD total and he had the lowest ypr of any of the top wr's by quite a bit (10.2).I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for.EBF said:awesomeness said:
Along with this, is Palmer a sell-high? He was a top 3 QB on most charts last year, but if he loses 85, I can't imagine he'd remain in the same tier. At best, he's #5 as it is.Couldn't agree more. The Cincy situation will definitely be worth watching since Henry or Chad Johnson may be jettisoned this offseason. Housh's value this year came from his inflated TD total and he had the lowest ypr of any of the top wr's by quite a bit (10.2).I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for.EBF said:awesomeness said:
If he loses CJ, I think it drops Palmer a little, but he's still an elite QB. Not the top 2 or 3 where he was before the start of 2007, but still top 5-6 and I guy you can still base your team on. Remember, he'll still have Chris Henry and TJ, so it's not like he has nobody to throw to.As far as Favre, if you have him on your team, you hopefully have other options to rely on. If you don't, you better get one soon as there is just no telling how much longer he'll be around. Some people, however, will see the success he had this year and think that A) He'll want to stick around a lot longer, to which there is no guarantee and B) He'll put up stats like he did this year, one of the best of his career. I'm not saying to give Favre away, but this seasons boosted his value tremendously and I think you might be surprised what you could get for him, esp. on a QB hungry team that has most other pieces in place. I think before this year, Favre owners were resigned to just keeping him until he withered away and retired and likely made plans. They just got a boost in their long-term investment and could get a return on it.As far as Welker, I think he's a quality WR and I think he will have continued success in NE. That being said, I would be very surprised if he ever duplicated his #'s from this year or even came close, to tell you the truth. I see him as a very solid #3 WR, but I would be very uncomfortable relying on him as a #2. But, you can potentially get that kind of value for him. Again, not everyone thinks longterm and they see what end up being career years and think they'll be duplicated no problem. Just like Manning after his record setting year. Just like LT this year. Don't get me wrong, LT was great, but people expected him to get 20+ TDs easy bc he "just had over 30" and 20+ should b easy. Well, 15 TDs later..... Just remember that for all the sell-highs listed here, none of these are sell-highs if you don't have "buy highs" in your league. I'm just listing guys that I think people's perception may be a little flawed and where you can get some good value due to excellent years this year.Along with this, is Palmer a sell-high? He was a top 3 QB on most charts last year, but if he loses 85, I can't imagine he'd remain in the same tier. At best, he's #5 as it is.Couldn't agree more. The Cincy situation will definitely be worth watching since Henry or Chad Johnson may be jettisoned this offseason. Housh's value this year came from his inflated TD total and he had the lowest ypr of any of the top wr's by quite a bit (10.2).I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for.EBF said:awesomeness said:He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
Welker finished 9th in my 1 PPR league and had 112/1175/8 TDs.I'm not saying that Welker will not continue to succeed, but 112 receptions for a #2 WR is absurd. Those #'s are fantastic and I'm pretty confident those will easily be career highs for him. There's no question that he will remain valuable, but instead of being a #1 WR like this year, he will most likely regress and be an average #2 WR or very good #3 WR, I think. If you can get #1 WR quality, guys that finished below him this year but who are true #1 WR's (guys like Holt, Boldin, S. Smith), then that's a must trade, but probably difficult to pull off. However, there will be people who think that Welker will easily repeat those #'s and I HIGHLY doubt he even sniffs anything close to it. If you can get a guy like Marshall or Holmes or Jennings for him, I would do it IN A HEARTBEAT.
IMHO, Welker is 2007's version (albiet a better route runner with a better QB) of Nate Burleson in '04. That is, a decent WR2 who played opposite Randy Moss and thus always faced the lesser CB and usually 1-on-1. Now, I'm not saying Welker is going to drop off as badly as Nate did (I think Welker is a better WR and has a much better situation) - but I do think his numbers will look more like a solid WR2 than a borderline WR1 in 2008 and following (WR14-18 instead of WR9-11 as he finished this year). Of course, if Moss gets hurt or doesn't sign with the Pats, these numbers will drop considerably.
MBIII may be the trade bait.... those bottom 5 teams might not be interesed in 2 1rds that are in the 20s. I believe one rumor is Dallas' 2 1sts and MBIII for Atl's 1st.
If this happened (doesn't matter if it's a big "if" or a small "if"), does this make Barber the #1 with Dunn and Norwood already there or is it platoon time again?
I didn't mean to imply that Ward has been a better FF option lately, but I do think he's a more talented WR.I have been in a Dynasty league for three years and own both Ward and TJ. Housh has by far been a greater asset to my team.Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.EBF said:awesomeness said:He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.
I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh.
Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.Add in the fact that CJ has a good chance of going elsewhere and TJ won't be anywhere near as successful without an elite #1 across from him drawing all the coverage. EBF's statement above "He's an above average WR in an ideal situation" is the perfect description. He's the Josef Addai (as has been discussed at length) at WR x 10.
I agree with EBF's list above with the exception of Evans and Burress. I also wouldn't trade him for Ward or Coles, but it didn't sound like you were saying they were comparable anyway. All the rest, in a hearbeat. The beauty is, you can get even more thrown in for at least half of those guys if you make it look like you're getting the short end. There will be at least one person in your league that would drastically overpay for him.
for the sake of arguement, i dont think its that clear that he is a sell-high candidate. Although there are rumors of Chad's displeasement with the Bengal organization, that doesnt mean he is guaranteed to be traded right? And if Chad doesnt get traded, i see no reason why Housh's numbers will be significantly worse than they were this year.Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh. Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
I've been offered: Welker/Gonzo/Brees/#3 Rookie Pick For Moss.
I doubt there are many dynasty owners out there that would consider trading either Fitz or Edwards for Housh. They both outscored Housh this year, and both are 24 years old right now. Housh is 30. Colston is 24 as well, and Housh outscored him by 4 points. That's not happening either. I doubt this is the time that any Steve Smith owner sells low.Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.He's not an elite WR. He's not even Hines Ward. He's an above average WR in an ideal situation. I'd definitely be looking to move him for a true stud.
I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.
I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh.
Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.
No one's saying he's a scrub. But an elite receiver? Nah. He's no more talented than someone like Ward or Coles. I'd be much more comfortable with a beastly talent like Boldin or Colston on my dynasty roster than I would with Housh.I doubt there are many dynasty owners out there that would consider trading either Fitz or Edwards for Housh. They both outscored Housh this year, and both are 24 years old right now. Housh is 30. Colston is 24 as well, and Housh outscored him by 4 points. That's not happening either. I doubt this is the time that any Steve Smith owner sells low.Yea, his ranking as the WR6 in the current dynasty rankings is one of the worst on the site. The fact that Chad is ranked below him boggles my mind since Chad is clearly the better WR and the one who "makes" the Cincy passing game tick. Edwards, Owens, Colston, Boldin, and Holt are all better than TJ. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him.I think Housh is the ultimate, #1 Sell High. He's the type of player that you could easily get PERCEIVED lower value and a draft pick for. Straight up, I'd deal him for an Edwards or Fitz, which is very possible. Something like getting Boldin or Colston with a draft pick is very possible. The ultimate would be to deal him for Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with perceived lower value and a 1st round pick.And of course, I would easily trade him for Chad Johnson if given the chance as well.
I really can't think of a better sell-high candidate at any position.
I also think Marshall, Burress, Calvin, Roy, Evans, and Holmes might be better options. Ward and Coles are probably also more talented than TJ. Give those guys 169 targets and they'll give you better numbers than Housh.
Housh is a dynasty WR2 masquerading as a WR1. If you can find an owner who thinks he's a star, I would definitely pull the trigger. Now is the time to move him since his value will only fall from here.
So lets talk about whats realistic. If you want a guy that can't stay healthy go ahead and trade Housh for Boldin.
Torry Holt will be 32 next season and may be a decent trade option. I would just be concerned about the Rams going forward. Bulger has a hard time staying healthy, and the same is true for Pace. Basically their offense is getting old fast. Palmer and the Bengals passing attack has a much better chance of staying good.
Owens would be a tempting trade, but you have to be worried that at 35 the bottom is going to drop out there sooner rather than later. Factor in the implosion and injury histories.....not so sure.
If you are a Calvin Johnson believer that could happen IMO. I only saw a few Lions games this year, and his hands were awful. Not saying he's gonna suck, but he's not the slam dunk many thought he would be at the beginning of the season.
Last three year averages for each:
TJ Houshmandzadeh: 93/1060/9
Roy Williams: 63/944/7
Plaxico Burress: 71/1088/10
TJ may not be as talented a WR as many of the other guys that are being named here. But his situation is outstanding. He's got the trust of his QB, who is a very good relatively young QB. TJ has finished 15th, 11th, and 6th in non-ppr standard performance scoring the last three years. I just don't see a compelling reason why something is going to drastically change that next year. I fully expect him to finish between 5th and 15th.
Even if Chad does get dealt, Henry will be starting on the other side. Say what you want about his mental makeup, the guy can play WR. If he's there he'll draw coverage. If Henry is suspended, Housh could easily find himself in the same situation as Brandon Marshall did this year.
I found this gem on Pro Football Weeklys' audibles from Dec. 4th (Its where scouts and GMs speak on condition of anonymity)
“(Bengals WR) Chad Johnson is inconsistent going inside. I don’t think he is the craftiest receiver, either. I would rather have T.J. Houshmandzadeh. He shows you what craftiness is all about.”
Take it for what its' worth.
