[DYNASTY] Staff Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Finatic]

Nice job guys as this has been a major sore spot at FBGs since I have been a member.With the dynasty offseason in full swing this has been a pleasant surprise.Also adding JP and Bloom as staffmembers was a great move that I'm sure most dynasty guys here at FBGs would also applaud.

Keep up the great dynasty coverage guys, it sure is appreciated as evidenced by this thread and it's excellent feedback and discussion.....

Fin

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Maybe I should just shut up and keep the obvious to myself so I can take advantage of owners, but I could care less whether he is on people's lists THIS year. Last year Mcgahee was a top 5 and sometimes top 3 dynasty choice. He was this because he has top shelf talent. One year on a CRAPPY team and he has dropped out of the top 10? He had a noticable lack of TD's and had people in the backfield all day long. If he were in KC, he would be the top ranked back IMO (maybe 2 behind LT). People have such a short memory and the memory is based on last year alone.

Many people thought McGahee was overrated last year when he went that high. McGahee's 2004 production was the result of an unsustainable amount of goal line/red zone touches. I think he is a solid NFL power RB, but have yet to see anything truly special in terms of ability out of him (post-injury on the NFL level). He is also likely as far back recovery-wise as he is ever going to get (that rumored 4.3 speed is never coming back). He doesn't do a ton of damage receiving and he seems to lack the breakaway ability he had pre-injury. On top of that, the Bills offense in bad, and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future. McGahee is a significantly slower Jamal Lewis. He'll provide steady but unspectacular RB2 numbers barring a major turn-around in Buffalo.

 

[BoulderBob]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Excellent way to organize the ranking information. I had done a dynasty RB rankings and got around to compiling a dynasty QB rankings as well. Very similiar to the consensus up to a point. The RB rankings can be found on the same page.

http://mb25.scout.com/fbrownsinsiderfrm14....icID=1471.topic

Continuation of the Dynasty rankings with the trigger men.

April 6, 2006, after first bit of free agency but prior to draft. Subject to change and will after a few names, retire, get cut/traded/etc. Work in progress but for dynasty rankings here is a rough estimate of how I see it at this point in time.

The names in RED are elligble in our dynasty rookie/free agent draft.

1. Peyton Manning

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Only true elite of fantasy QBs at this time. Duante shared the stage and as a matter of fact bested Peyton's fantasy production for two consecutive years till last year's abortion but Peyton is in a class unto himself.

2. Carson Palmer

3. Donovan McNabb

4. Tom Brady

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Carson would be rubbing elbows with Petyon except for the injury and now waiting to make certain he checks out. Donovan has been inconsistent. Brady has been steady but hasn't put up those great stats. A notch below.

5. Eli Manning

6. Marc Bulger

7. Daunte Culpepper

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These guys have the ability and upside to put up huge stats.

8. Matt Hasselbeck

9. Jake Delhomme

10. Bryon Leftwich

11. Jake Plummer

12. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Michael Vick

14. Drew Brees

15. Trent Green

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Good solid FF QBs to have.

16. David Carr

17. Chris Simms

18. Drew Bledsoe

19. Aaron Brooks

20. Phil Rivers

21. Kurt Warner

22. Matt Lienart

23. Brian Griese

24. Matt Schaub

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Yute and yup, Bob's kid snuck in here. You might say, Bri Griese doesn't deseve it well let me inform ye of something. When Brian Griese left the Donkeys he left as their ALL-TIME top rated QB. Yes, even ahead of Elroy. When he left Tampa Bay guess who carried the ALL-TIME Buc QB ranking with him? You got it. Brian easily is the most talented QB in Chi-Town.

25. Steve McNair

26. Bret Favre

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Too good to drop lower but future very uncertain.

27. Vince Young

28. Brad Johnson

29. Charlie Frye

30. Chad Pennington

31. Mark Brunell

32. Alex Smith

33. John Kitna

34. Jay Cutler

35. Kerry Collins

36. Aaron Rodgers

37. Kyle Boller

38. J.P. Losman

39. Billy Volek

40. Kelly Holcomb

41. Jason Cambell

42. Josh McCown

43. Rex Grossman

44. Andrew Walters

45. Trent Dilfer

46. Patrick Ramsey

47. Joey Harrington

48. Omar Jacobs

49. Kyle Orton

50. Adrian McPherson

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The rest are in what I call 'The Great MishMash of Uncertainty.' Any of these guys could blow up but more likely than not the vast majority of them won't. And a few names the just missed the cut.

Bradlee Van Pelt

Gus Frerotte

David Garrard

Mike McMahon

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

LJ over LT in dynasty...interesting

We need you guys to chime in on that Fitz/Boldin which is better thread

LJ has far less mileage that LT2, and LT2 has broken down 2 of the last 3 seasons in December (fantasy playoffs, a big no-no). I've been an advocate of trading LT2 in November last season, and I would say the same this year.

This is not an accurate statement and I don't know why you keep saying that LT2 has broken down 2 of the last 3 seasons in December. If I'm misunderstanding your statement then forgive me but I have LT on my roster and his been on my roster since his rookie season. Since 2002 he only had one bad year "fantasy playoffs" in December and that was in 2005.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/game...mlLa00.htm#2004

The statement should be: "LT2 has been reliable, he's taken teams to the Championship to be victorious 3 of the last 4 years"

I think I've already retracted this statement, but to reiterate LT broke down last year come playoff time. The second injury was real, but did not affect his performance (chest injury he played through in '04 in December).I still have LT2 as the #2 RB, but I would be concerned come playoff time again this season if he has had too many touches. You still can go with your stud RB and hope for the best, but if you could work a trade while his value was high it might be pragmatic to move him before Thanksgiving. I wouldn't sell him for cheap, but just something to consider.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

LOL .. it was being said tongue in cheek ...mind you .. just was wierd seeing a guy who retired from football being listed in a rankings ..

hey any deep dynasty owners is going to be zeroing in on the bottom guys because those are the guys that might actually either be available or atleast interesting to look at ..

trying to decide between the Cleo Lemons and J.T Osullivans of the world

i just thought possibly

Matt Mauck - Tenn might have been a better guy to rank .. since he is currently the # 3 QB for Tenn.

Timmy Chang wasn't available Frankly if you're digging deeper than 50 you probably have serious issues (or you are in a 32 team league).

I'm not sure I like this response. I am in a 10-team dynasty league with a mandatory 25 roster-spot rule with no positional limits. My current roster has 7 QB's (which is not unusual in this league). I would look first to a list that would go AT LEAST 70 deep in order to monitor whether I should drop 1 or 2 in favor of upgrading another position. Timmy Chang and Matt Mauck are no laughing matters to dynasty players like me.

This was supposed to be mostly tongue in cheek. I erred in putting Jason White at #60, which will be corrected in the future.I realize that many play in all sorts of leagues where depth goes extremely deep.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Great job FBguys! With all the variables to take in consideration it is almost an impossible task. There are alot of knowledgable people on this board, so one should expect the critique...

Thanks for all the work that goes into these rankings and I enjoy reading the spirited debates.

Rozelle,Appreciate the comments. No rankings are going to be 100%, and our first cuts are certainly not perfect.

However, we'll be monitoring them closely and as always they are open for discussion and debate.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

My top 10:

1. LT - still young, doesn't take a long of hits and put up numbers regardless of the team around him.

2. LJ - Should be the #1 fantasy player this year and has an elite OL

3. Portis - gets the nod over SA although he probably won't put up better numbers this year. He should easily have another 5 years good seasons.

4. SA - He's in a great system but he is 29 and lost a Pro Bowl guard.

5. Cadillac - Has a coach that likes to run the ball and not afraid to use him. If he can hold up he'll put up great numbers for many more years.

6. SJax - big back who can catch and plays on a offense with a lot of weapons. Very young. Has knee issues but the FieldTurf should help him stay healthy.

7. Brown - tough to not have him higher since he's on an up and coming team and has shown that he can do it all.

8. McGahee - I hesitate to put him here with all the problems surrounding the Bills but he has the talent and I'm assuming that the Bills draft Justice. If not, McGahee goes much lower.

9. Edge - I hate putting him this low but the uncertainty around the Cards running game forces my hand. There are a lot of weapons in AZ so even a decent OL would put him in the top 10, but it's hard to put him higher with the OL questions and his past knee injury.

10. Bush - My second choice was KJ since I have faith in Martz to turn things around in Detroit, but Bush gets the nod because of his talent. If he goes to Houston, I'm not expecting much his year but I like his future. It's a risky pick but his kind of talent doesn't come around often. Tiki is the safe pick here and will help you win this year, but it comes at the cost of setting you back in a couple seasons.

This is bold on many levels. I see you're putting a lot of faith in first year vets in Brown and Cadillac, and have McGahee higher than many I have seen. I cannot agree with this list, especially by Jordan's noticeable absence.

Maybe I should just shut up and keep the obvious to myself so I can take advantage of owners, but I could care less whether he is on people's lists THIS year. Last year Mcgahee was a top 5 and sometimes top 3 dynasty choice. He was this because he has top shelf talent. One year on a CRAPPY team and he has dropped out of the top 10? He had a noticable lack of TD's and had people in the backfield all day long. If he were in KC, he would be the top ranked back IMO (maybe 2 behind LT). People have such a short memory and the memory is based on last year alone.

I liked McGahee from his days at "The U" and I knew he'd get a shot. He is a very good running back, but the O-line doesn't do him any favors in Buffalo. Add in the fact that they just can't seem to get a stable QB situation (open competition is alleged this year amongst Losman, Craig Nall and Holcomb), the opposition can put eight men in the box. McGahee still manages to produce despite this (much like the Baltimore situation), but his productivity still suffers.

As for the "if he was at KC" statement, that was a similar argument between Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith back in the day. Denver and KC have had historically good offensive lines that can produce good backs as a result. McGahee would of course be better with better lineman.

McGahee is a consideration for moving up on my board, especially if Buffalo drafts some O-line help.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

My minor quibble over LT aside, thanks to the staff for putting together something a lot of us posters have been clamoring for the last two years.

I wonder why a 5 year horizon was chosen though? Seems a 3 year horizon would be much better, afterall most RB's last what 3 years in the league? I imagine half the guys on these lists will be out of the league in 5 years to be honest.

Regarding RBs, I think you are 100% correct in that any dynasty rankings will hardly resemble those 5 years from now for the position.QB/WR/TE, 5 years could be the right timeline. That's the number we chose and we ran with it.

I think you'd be safe in assuming a shorter timeframe for the RB list (3-4 yrs).

It seems to me that you are overlooking some future studs to get short term results by limiting the timeline to 3 years. That short of a timeline makes Tiki look more valuable compared to say Kevin Jones. Even though KJ might also get injured, you are guaranteed to lose Tiki to retirement in 3 years if not sooner to injury. I think Tiki is going to have a big fall off either this year or next based on the history of over 30 RB's. For me there are better choices for a dynasty RB if you are focused on immediate production.

That's an interesting point, but I don't like the example you give.For me, I'd rank Tiki above KJ because his production now> KJones now. There's no question that KJ has far more upside 3-4 years from now as Tiki ages / retires, but who is more likely to get you a championship over the next 1-2 years? I'd say Tiki.

Put another way, I'd lean towards an A-grade back for 2 years over a B grade for 3-4.

Poor choice in using KJones as a "B" back. He is one of the highest ceilings and lowest floor guys in the league. He is a swing for the fences guy as he clearly has top shelf talent, but could be held back by injuries and possibly attitude. I also would note his vision may not be top shelf, but it was hard to gauge with the poor blocking, team support and coaching.

Liquid,KJones has had quite the opportunity to produce in Detroit, but for whatever reason(s) has not been able to establish himself as a premier RB in the NFL.

He struggled from Thanksgiving and on last season, not playing in 3 games, and also failed to top 100 yards the entire 2005 season. He also gets challenged for playing time, coming out often on third downs and obvious passing downs. Shawn Bryson and Artose Pinner both had more receptions than KJ, and the re-signing of Bryson cannot make KJ rest easy.

All that said, it seems you are a "buy low" kind of owner, and I would agree that KJones' value is pretty low this year. The offense in Detroit is getting yet another overhaul, and it does seem that KJ will be the back of choice there for most of the playing time. Seems like a good gamble to get him cheap.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Nice job guys as this has been a major sore spot at FBGs since I have been a member.With the dynasty offseason in full swing this has been a pleasant surprise.Also adding JP and Bloom as staffmembers was a great move that I'm sure most dynasty guys here at FBGs would also applaud.

Keep up the great dynasty coverage guys, it sure is appreciated as evidenced by this thread and it's excellent feedback and discussion.....

Fin

Thanks Finatic.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Nice job guys as this has been a major sore spot at FBGs since I have been a member.With the dynasty offseason in full swing this has been a pleasant surprise.Also adding JP and Bloom as staffmembers was a great move that I'm sure most dynasty guys here at FBGs would also applaud.

Keep up the great dynasty coverage guys, it sure is appreciated as evidenced by this thread and it's excellent feedback and discussion.....

Fin

Thanks Finatic.

Fin is the man.

 

[Liquid Tension]

My minor quibble over LT aside, thanks to the staff for putting together something a lot of us posters have been clamoring for the last two years.

I wonder why a 5 year horizon was chosen though? Seems a 3 year horizon would be much better, afterall most RB's last what 3 years in the league? I imagine half the guys on these lists will be out of the league in 5 years to be honest.

Regarding RBs, I think you are 100% correct in that any dynasty rankings will hardly resemble those 5 years from now for the position.QB/WR/TE, 5 years could be the right timeline. That's the number we chose and we ran with it.

I think you'd be safe in assuming a shorter timeframe for the RB list (3-4 yrs).

It seems to me that you are overlooking some future studs to get short term results by limiting the timeline to 3 years. That short of a timeline makes Tiki look more valuable compared to say Kevin Jones. Even though KJ might also get injured, you are guaranteed to lose Tiki to retirement in 3 years if not sooner to injury. I think Tiki is going to have a big fall off either this year or next based on the history of over 30 RB's. For me there are better choices for a dynasty RB if you are focused on immediate production.

That's an interesting point, but I don't like the example you give.For me, I'd rank Tiki above KJ because his production now> KJones now. There's no question that KJ has far more upside 3-4 years from now as Tiki ages / retires, but who is more likely to get you a championship over the next 1-2 years? I'd say Tiki.

Put another way, I'd lean towards an A-grade back for 2 years over a B grade for 3-4.

Poor choice in using KJones as a "B" back. He is one of the highest ceilings and lowest floor guys in the league. He is a swing for the fences guy as he clearly has top shelf talent, but could be held back by injuries and possibly attitude. I also would note his vision may not be top shelf, but it was hard to gauge with the poor blocking, team support and coaching.

Liquid,KJones has had quite the opportunity to produce in Detroit, but for whatever reason(s) has not been able to establish himself as a premier RB in the NFL.

He struggled from Thanksgiving and on last season, not playing in 3 games, and also failed to top 100 yards the entire 2005 season. He also gets challenged for playing time, coming out often on third downs and obvious passing downs. Shawn Bryson and Artose Pinner both had more receptions than KJ, and the re-signing of Bryson cannot make KJ rest easy.

All that said, it seems you are a "buy low" kind of owner, and I would agree that KJones' value is pretty low this year. The offense in Detroit is getting yet another overhaul, and it does seem that KJ will be the back of choice there for most of the playing time. Seems like a good gamble to get him cheap.

Add to the above that they have an entirely new staff (with Martz) and a coach that called him a "monster." You don't use those adjectives without uber talent being present. Also, KJ has worked out very hard all off season and says his playing weight will be 5 pounds less. Yes, he is a huge value play if he is ranked where I see him

 

[Bri]

Add to the above that they have an entirely new staff (with Martz) and a coach that called him a "monster." You don't use those adjectives without uber talent being present. Also, KJ has worked out very hard all off season and says his playing weight will be 5 pounds less. Yes, he is a huge value play if he is ranked where I see him

Martz has been jekyl and hyde with his RBs.Faulk's had monster seasons and like 800 yard seasons. Jackson was hardly MVP Faulk like last year

 

[cstu]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

 

[Bri]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him.  If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

 

[fosio]

Us deep keeper leaguers thank you!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

 

[Bri]

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time.  He was a first rounder and signed for big $$.  The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart.  The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

He "was a first rounder and signed for big $" last year and how'd that work out? Lovie seems to have shown a loyalty to Jones in everything I've read. Do you have a link to something different?I don't understand your first sentence at all

 

[Texasmouth]

AWESOME! Great work.

 

[cstu]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

The Rivers/Brees comparison is very good and it's TJ's job barring injury. I'd also liken it to Priest/LJ. Like I've said before it only makes sense to get all they can out of TJ while they have him. He's not in the long-term plans so there's no incentive for the Bears to "save" him for anything. If he does get hurt the Bears will be more than happy to go with Benson as the starter, but until then Benson will be used to rest TJ.

 

[Bri]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him.  If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

The Rivers/Brees comparison is very good and it's TJ's job barring injury. I'd also liken it to Priest/LJ. Like I've said before it only makes sense to get all they can out of TJ while they have him. He's not in the long-term plans so there's no incentive for the Bears to "save" him for anything. If he does get hurt the Bears will be more than happy to go with Benson as the starter, but until then Benson will be used to rest TJ.

how's that different than jordan and martin?when was Rivers used to rest Brees?

 

[cstu]

Jeff, what's the reasoning with your ranking of Kevin Jones at the #20 RB behind Parker, DD and Dunn? Are you really not that sold on him? Those guys will all be in RBBC this year and Dunn doesn't have much left.

 

[cstu]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

The Rivers/Brees comparison is very good and it's TJ's job barring injury. I'd also liken it to Priest/LJ. Like I've said before it only makes sense to get all they can out of TJ while they have him. He's not in the long-term plans so there's no incentive for the Bears to "save" him for anything. If he does get hurt the Bears will be more than happy to go with Benson as the starter, but until then Benson will be used to rest TJ.

how's that different than jordan and martin?when was Rivers used to rest Brees?

They are different positions so I was referring to the fact that Benson doesn't have much of a shot at the starting job like Rivers last year. Jordan was a 2nd round pick and wasn't considered the replacement for Martin since he was always healthy. That pick was an insurance pick if something serious happened to Martin. Priest/LJ is more similar because the Bears were concerned about TJ's health like the Chiefs were with Priest, although to a lesser extent. TJ also had a decent year in 2004 but I think they were hoping for better than a 4.0 YPC and they felt that Benson was more durable.

 

[Bri]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him.  If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

The Rivers/Brees comparison is very good and it's TJ's job barring injury. I'd also liken it to Priest/LJ. Like I've said before it only makes sense to get all they can out of TJ while they have him. He's not in the long-term plans so there's no incentive for the Bears to "save" him for anything. If he does get hurt the Bears will be more than happy to go with Benson as the starter, but until then Benson will be used to rest TJ.

how's that different than jordan and martin?when was Rivers used to rest Brees?

They are different positions so I was referring to the fact that Benson doesn't have much of a shot at the starting job like Rivers last year. Jordan was a 2nd round pick and wasn't considered the replacement for Martin since he was always healthy. That pick was an insurance pick if something serious happened to Martin. Priest/LJ is more similar because the Bears were concerned about TJ's health like the Chiefs were with Priest, although to a lesser extent. TJ also had a decent year in 2004 but I think they were hoping for better than a 4.0 YPC and they felt that Benson was more durable.

I still don't see a big difference in comparisons here. Why this shpeal was started is beyond me

 

[Tick]

What's with Culcasi's rankings?

LB:

Mike Peterson at 23.

James Davis (who?) at 12.

Derrick Johnson at 4.

Kawika Mitchell at 9.

Takeo Spikes at 36.

Leroy Hill at 16.

DB:

Roy Williams at 29.

Gibril Wilson at 1.

Ed Reed at 43.

Erik Coleman at 5.

Nick Collins at 8.

Adam Archuleta at 59.

Brian Dawkins at 48.

Antrell Rolle at 4.

Shawntae Spencer at 2!!!

Quentin Harris (who?) at 16.

Ellis Hobbs (who?) at 27.

DL:

Jason Taylor at 13.

Jared Allen at 4.

Dwight Freeney at 27.

Simeon Rice at 31.

Ogunleye at 36.

Aaron Kampman at 5??

Anthony Hargrove at 10?

Mike Patterson at 23.

It's always good to get someone's honest rankings without regard to the consensus, but I'd love to hear some of the reasons behind these rankings - they're huge outliers.

 

[cracKer]

What's with Culcasi's rankings?

LB:

Mike Peterson at 23.

James Davis (who?) at 12.

Derrick Johnson at 4.

Kawika Mitchell at 9.

Takeo Spikes at 36.

Leroy Hill at 16.

DB:

Roy Williams at 29.

Gibril Wilson at 1.

Ed Reed at 43.

Erik Coleman at 5.

Nick Collins at 8.

Adam Archuleta at 59.

Brian Dawkins at 48.

Antrell Rolle at 4.

Shawntae Spencer at 2!!!

Quentin Harris (who?) at 16.

Ellis Hobbs (who?) at 27.

DL:

Jason Taylor at 13.

Jared Allen at 4.

Dwight Freeney at 27.

Simeon Rice at 31.

Ogunleye at 36.

Aaron Kampman at 5??

Anthony Hargrove at 10?

Mike Patterson at 23.

It's always good to get someone's honest rankings without regard to the consensus, but I'd love to hear some of the reasons behind these rankings - they're huge outliers.

James Davis is a hold for Thomas Davis. Quentin Harris a hold for Chris Harris.

I'm not going to comment on all of these guys, but if you'd like to bring up some points I'd be happy to listen and comment, possibly opening my eyes to something that I missed.

I will comment on the two that surprised me the most, DBs Rolle and Spencer.

Spencer has averaged 4.76 solo tackles in 25 starts over his first two seasons (he's missed one game because of injury). Of his four interceptions and 19 passes defended, 3/11 came during the final eight games. I've projected him at 75/5/23, good for #5 in redraft, #2 dynasty.

I have Rolle at #14 in redraft, #4 dynasty. He put up some incredible numbers for a cornerback (or any player, that matter) during his limited time on the field last year. 25 solo tackles in four starts. He should be back 100% from the knee injury that forced him to miss much of the season (meniscus). With his size (6'0 206) and what he showed us, I don't think his tackle numbers were a fluke.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him. If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

The Rivers/Brees comparison is very good and it's TJ's job barring injury. I'd also liken it to Priest/LJ. Like I've said before it only makes sense to get all they can out of TJ while they have him. He's not in the long-term plans so there's no incentive for the Bears to "save" him for anything. If he does get hurt the Bears will be more than happy to go with Benson as the starter, but until then Benson will be used to rest TJ.

how's that different than jordan and martin?when was Rivers used to rest Brees?

They are different positions so I was referring to the fact that Benson doesn't have much of a shot at the starting job like Rivers last year. Jordan was a 2nd round pick and wasn't considered the replacement for Martin since he was always healthy. That pick was an insurance pick if something serious happened to Martin. Priest/LJ is more similar because the Bears were concerned about TJ's health like the Chiefs were with Priest, although to a lesser extent. TJ also had a decent year in 2004 but I think they were hoping for better than a 4.0 YPC and they felt that Benson was more durable.

I still don't see a big difference in comparisons here. Why this shpeal was started is beyond me

Bri, Let me try and simplify the comparison.

Benson was a top pick. So was Rivers.

Benson signed for big $$. So was Rivers.

Benson is stuck behind a player that is now playing at a high level, somewhat unexpectedly perhaps, in Thomas Jones. He's stuck as his backup.

Rivers was stuck behind a player that was playing at a high level, somewhat unexpectedly perhaps, in Drew Brees. He was stuck as his backup.

Regarding the big $$ and early pick - public opinion / the fan base of both franchises want to see the top pick playing, not on the sideline. Sure the guy in front of the big $$ rook / 2nd year player is doing well, but the fan base wants something done by the Front Office to get the competition / battle resolved and get the new guy in there.

SD did just that in getting Brees to New Orleans.

Pressure / public outcry will be there again if Benson can't get on the field because of Thomas Jones and a multi-million $ investment is standing next to Lovie Smith every Sunday. That plus the fact that the team can't use the cap space on more improvements will pressure the FO to make a move.

I hope that helped.

 

[Bri]

Looks like they underestimate Cedric Benson, there is a even an expert who didn't rank him.  If you want to take D.Foster or W.Parker before this guy, go ahead, just don't ##### and moan when Benson is putting up top 10 numbers within 2 years.

Benson isn't underestimated, he just is stuck behind Thomas Jones who did rather well last year for the Bears. Add in the fact that Benson hurt his knee last year and ranking them about equally seems correct to me.

Still, Foster and Parker? Not to slam them, but Foster has a long track record of injuries and Parker isn't even guaranteed to be the starter next year. Benson has the talent and while IMO he won't do much this year barring an injury to TJ, his dynasty value is much higher than guys like Foster and Parker.

I'm not a foster fan but he does start so does Parker.If Jones does well in camp and to start the season, Benson becomes like Lamont Jordan behind Curtis. Stuck and at some point Da Bears will have to choose. Dynasty folks might not see him get week in week out production until he goes to a new team

Benson's situation is more dicey than just getting playing time. He was a first rounder and signed for big $$. The situation is more analagous to Philip Rivers / Drew Brees than to Lamont Jordan / CMart. The Bears would be far more likely to move TJones than Benson.

The Rivers/Brees comparison is very good and it's TJ's job barring injury. I'd also liken it to Priest/LJ. Like I've said before it only makes sense to get all they can out of TJ while they have him. He's not in the long-term plans so there's no incentive for the Bears to "save" him for anything. If he does get hurt the Bears will be more than happy to go with Benson as the starter, but until then Benson will be used to rest TJ.

how's that different than jordan and martin?when was Rivers used to rest Brees?

They are different positions so I was referring to the fact that Benson doesn't have much of a shot at the starting job like Rivers last year. Jordan was a 2nd round pick and wasn't considered the replacement for Martin since he was always healthy. That pick was an insurance pick if something serious happened to Martin. Priest/LJ is more similar because the Bears were concerned about TJ's health like the Chiefs were with Priest, although to a lesser extent. TJ also had a decent year in 2004 but I think they were hoping for better than a 4.0 YPC and they felt that Benson was more durable.

I still don't see a big difference in comparisons here. Why this shpeal was started is beyond me

Bri, Let me try and simplify the comparison.

Benson was a top pick. So was Rivers.

Benson signed for big $$. So was Rivers.

Benson is stuck behind a player that is now playing at a high level, somewhat unexpectedly perhaps, in Thomas Jones. He's stuck as his backup.

Rivers was stuck behind a player that was playing at a high level, somewhat unexpectedly perhaps, in Drew Brees. He was stuck as his backup.

Regarding the big $$ and early pick - public opinion / the fan base of both franchises want to see the top pick playing, not on the sideline. Sure the guy in front of the big $$ rook / 2nd year player is doing well, but the fan base wants something done by the Front Office to get the competition / battle resolved and get the new guy in there.

SD did just that in getting Brees to New Orleans.

Pressure / public outcry will be there again if Benson can't get on the field because of Thomas Jones and a multi-million $ investment is standing next to Lovie Smith every Sunday. That plus the fact that the team can't use the cap space on more improvements will pressure the FO to make a move.

I hope that helped.

I don't see that this did anything to further the discussion nor do I understand why you brought it up in the first place. If you feel this contributes to this dynasty discussion and would like to discuss this further please let me know and I'll point out some facts you missed above.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Thomas Jones has lost the starting job a number of times in his career already. Its not inconceivable to think that Benson can beat Jones outright for the job at any given time. He can certainly force an RBBC. Not that I think Jones sucks or anything. Its just realistic.

Remember Benson was a rookie last year. That's part of the reason Chicago is hesitant to put him in as the starter. Jones is a veteran who wont make many screw ups. They wasted no time nameing Jones the starter after Benson was drafted. They want Benson to earn the job. He's capable. Jones isnt going to make it easy but Jones isnt Priest Holmes. This isnt Holmes/LJ or Martin/Jordan. This is closer to Henry/McGahee. Although I think more highly of Jones than Henry. Just dont assume Benson is locked into a backup role. I think he can take the job if he dedicates himself in the passing game. Unlike LJ or Jordan, I'm sure we'll see more of Benson this year whether Jones is hurt or not.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff, what's the reasoning with your ranking of Kevin Jones at the #20 RB behind Parker, DD and Dunn? Are you really not that sold on him? Those guys will all be in RBBC this year and Dunn doesn't have much left.

cstu,Good question.

Kevin Jones has been a major disappointment to date. He has been given the job time and again to be the primary back in Detroit after dominating the backfield in Weeks 10-16 in 2004, but what has he done since then?

Last season, he had just 664 yards rushing on 186 carries, a weak 3.6 yard average, and just 5 TDs. He added just over 100 yards receiving to go with those numbers, one of the worst stat lines for a starting back.

Dunn was just re-signed to be the primary ball carrier in Atlanta once again, whereas TJ Duckett is a change of pace / backup player at best. Yes he steals TDs (as does Vick), but he did produce 1600+ yards last year. Yes he just turned over to the wrong side of 30, but he doesn't get pounded and looks to have a few years left in the tank, IMO.

DD - RIGHT NOW a good RB and has proven more valuable to date than KJones. 1300+ yards last year and 6 TDs. He also topped 100 yards 3 times last year, something KJ didn't do all season. For DD the emphasis has to be on RIGHT NOW - since I'm ranking pre-draft. Obviously he sinks quickly if Bush goes to the Texans.

FWP - He is the "feature" back in a run run run offense in Pittsburgh. The guy who stole most of his scores (Bettis) just retired, so there's some thought his TDs have to go up. He also broke 1000 yards, something KJ can't claim.

The most telling thing about KJ is that Detroit doesn't seem to believe in him. He was the third leading receiving RB in Detroit, behind Pinner and Bryson. Bryson also just inked a decent money deal to be the "backup", not a good sign for KJ getting feature back type playing time.

So - that's the reasoning.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Where exactly does the lack of playing opportunity fit in for your dynasty ranking calculations, Bri?

TJones is the back in Chicago now. He did well last year, and could well keep Benson off the field again.

Michael Turner is highly regarded in SD, but he's behind LT2 and can't go anywhere.

Until one player is moved to make room, Benson has zero production and thus lowered value. It is that simple.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Thomas Jones has lost the starting job a number of times in his career already. Its not inconceivable to think that Benson can beat Jones outright for the job at any given time. He can certainly force an RBBC. Not that I think Jones sucks or anything. Its just realistic.

Remember Benson was a rookie last year. That's part of the reason Chicago is hesitant to put him in as the starter. Jones is a veteran who wont make many screw ups. They wasted no time nameing Jones the starter after Benson was drafted. They want Benson to earn the job. He's capable. Jones isnt going to make it easy but Jones isnt Priest Holmes. This isnt Holmes/LJ or Martin/Jordan. This is closer to Henry/McGahee. Although I think more highly of Jones than Henry. Just dont assume Benson is locked into a backup role. I think he can take the job if he dedicates himself in the passing game. Unlike LJ or Jordan, I'm sure we'll see more of Benson this year whether Jones is hurt or not.

I give equal value to Benson and TJones right now.

 

[Bri]

Where exactly does the lack of playing opportunity fit in for your dynasty ranking calculations, Bri?

TJones is the back in Chicago now. He did well last year, and could well keep Benson off the field again.

Michael Turner is highly regarded in SD, but he's behind LT2 and can't go anywhere.

Until one player is moved to make room, Benson has zero production and thus lowered value. It is that simple.

I don't recall disagreeing with you on Benson's value or lack of without ample playing time

 

[UnknownCoach]

I give equal value to Benson and TJones right now.

I'm glad you've seen some light. 29 and 52 certainly wasnt equal.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

What's with Culcasi's rankings?

LB:

Mike Peterson at 23.

James Davis (who?) at 12.

Derrick Johnson at 4.

Kawika Mitchell at 9.

Takeo Spikes at 36.

Leroy Hill at 16.

DB:

Roy Williams at 29.

Gibril Wilson at 1.

Ed Reed at 43.

Erik Coleman at 5.

Nick Collins at 8.

Adam Archuleta at 59.

Brian Dawkins at 48.

Antrell Rolle at 4.

Shawntae Spencer at 2!!!

Quentin Harris (who?) at 16.

Ellis Hobbs (who?) at 27.

DL:

Jason Taylor at 13.

Jared Allen at 4.

Dwight Freeney at 27.

Simeon Rice at 31.

Ogunleye at 36.

Aaron Kampman at 5??

Anthony Hargrove at 10?

Mike Patterson at 23.

It's always good to get someone's honest rankings without regard to the consensus, but I'd love to hear some of the reasons behind these rankings - they're huge outliers.

James Davis is a hold for Thomas Davis. Quentin Harris a hold for Chris Harris.

I'm not going to comment on all of these guys, but if you'd like to bring up some points I'd be happy to listen and comment, possibly opening my eyes to something that I missed.

I will comment on the two that surprised me the most, DBs Rolle and Spencer.

Spencer has averaged 4.76 solo tackles in 25 starts over his first two seasons (he's missed one game because of injury). Of his four interceptions and 19 passes defended, 3/11 came during the final eight games. I've projected him at 75/5/23, good for #5 in redraft, #2 dynasty.

I have Rolle at #14 in redraft, #4 dynasty. He put up some incredible numbers for a cornerback (or any player, that matter) during his limited time on the field last year. 25 solo tackles in four starts. He should be back 100% from the knee injury that forced him to miss much of the season (meniscus). With his size (6'0 206) and what he showed us, I don't think his tackle numbers were a fluke.

here is my write-up on rolle from last years rookie IDP profiles... (he was #2 with thomas davis #1 )... the profile is a little over the top, but i don't think much has changed in my estimation of him since that time...needless to say i like him a lot... whether he becomes a serial pro bowler or not... imo, he has that kind of talent...

CB Antrel Rolle, Arizona Cardinals (Miami), 1.08

Overview: Highly recruited prep and top college DB prospect. Wouldn't surprise if he continues trend and emerges as one of the best CBs in the NFL. Many teams graded him as the #1 CB in his class (Titans took Pac-man at 1.6), he is one of the most complete and best prospects in the draft at any position... some scouts think he has the athleticism to be an All Pro safety. No discernible chinks in his armor after posting a blazing 4.4 at his workout. Fluid in coverage, he can flip his hips with little wasted motion, has great change of direction and short area burst and is able to shadow top WRs (shut down Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald in college). Plays bigger than his 6'0" 202 size in run support. Larger ball carriers are thrown back as if he is made of steel. Superior blitz instincts and has the closing speed to finish the deal. More than a physical specimen... he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER. Very experienced (three year starter) and earned All-Big East and All-American honors during his Miami tenure. Arrest for battery (charges dropped) was out of character for him. He is driven to succeed (3.8 HS GPA), has an exemplary work ethic and is a natural leader. As good as HC Dennis Green's first two draft classes have been (netting Dansby, Dockett, Blackstock and Mitchell), Rolle has the pedigree, fully formed game and encompassing talent to quickly become the Cards' top young defender, and one of best overall along with DE Bertrand Berry (led NFC in sacks).

Fantasy Outlook: Rare CB with run support prowess to put up tackle numbers bigger than many LBs. Why has Miami been so prolific in generating first round choices in recent years? A hidden factor is the combination of world class talent level and competitiveness it summons up. Rolle went up against future NFL stars on offense (Willis McGahee and Andre Johnson) and played with Jonathan Vilma, DJ Williams and Sean Taylor. His skills have been battle-tested in the most demanding conditions possible... the Miami practice field! By elevating Arizona's overall run and pass defense, he could have a synergistic effect that ripples through the whole defense, making everyone around him better by his presence... the definition of an IMPACT player. Could be a bigger version of 2004 Defensive ROY runner up Dunta Robinson (though slightly slower and not as much of a ballhawk... only 5 career INTs). Just as the brilliant Texans CB unexpectedly almost edged out Vilma for 2004 Defensive Rookie of the Year, Rolle is a legitimate DROY candidate with Odell Thurman, DeMarcus Ware, Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson. Especially valuable in leagues that break out CBs separately from safeties, but even in undifferentiated DB scoring he has top 10-20 potential as soon as... immediately. Think of a voracious open field tackler like Antoine Winfield, only 20 lbs bigger and probably a superior athlete. Late to camp, but should start and dominate from week one. Future serial Pro Bowler.

ps - thanx for hipping me to spencer, cracker...

i'll have to take a closer look at him...

 

[nightshift]

Guys,

Appreciate the hard work.

One suggestion: could you put a +/- or arrow up/down scale with your rankings, so we can track the changes?

Thanks again.

 

[cstu]

Jeff, what's the reasoning with your ranking of Kevin Jones at the #20 RB behind Parker, DD and Dunn? Are you really not that sold on him? Those guys will all be in RBBC this year and Dunn doesn't have much left.

cstu,Good question.

Kevin Jones has been a major disappointment to date. He has been given the job time and again to be the primary back in Detroit after dominating the backfield in Weeks 10-16 in 2004, but what has he done since then?

Last season, he had just 664 yards rushing on 186 carries, a weak 3.6 yard average, and just 5 TDs. He added just over 100 yards receiving to go with those numbers, one of the worst stat lines for a starting back.

Dunn was just re-signed to be the primary ball carrier in Atlanta once again, whereas TJ Duckett is a change of pace / backup player at best. Yes he steals TDs (as does Vick), but he did produce 1600+ yards last year. Yes he just turned over to the wrong side of 30, but he doesn't get pounded and looks to have a few years left in the tank, IMO.

DD - RIGHT NOW a good RB and has proven more valuable to date than KJones. 1300+ yards last year and 6 TDs. He also topped 100 yards 3 times last year, something KJ didn't do all season. For DD the emphasis has to be on RIGHT NOW - since I'm ranking pre-draft. Obviously he sinks quickly if Bush goes to the Texans.

FWP - He is the "feature" back in a run run run offense in Pittsburgh. The guy who stole most of his scores (Bettis) just retired, so there's some thought his TDs have to go up. He also broke 1000 yards, something KJ can't claim.

The most telling thing about KJ is that Detroit doesn't seem to believe in him. He was the third leading receiving RB in Detroit, behind Pinner and Bryson. Bryson also just inked a decent money deal to be the "backup", not a good sign for KJ getting feature back type playing time.

So - that's the reasoning.

Ok, that makes sense - I was already looking ahead to the Texans and Steelers taking RB's. Regarding Dunn, they re-signed which is a good sign but he is 31 and has only had one season higher than #15 since his rookie years (last year). I also think it's a matter of time before Duckett gets a bigger role in the offense and if he stays healthy.

I understand the concern about KJ, but it wasn't just his fault that everything fell apart in Detroit. I am concerned about his ability to catch the ball, especially in Martz' offense. His catches so far don't bode well for him or does the team re-signing Bryson who is a great receiver, but unless Detroit drafts another receiver he will be the main ball carrier on 1st and 2nd downs.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Regarding Dunn, they re-signed which is a good sign but he is 31 and has only had one season higher than #15 since his rookie years (last year). I also think it's a matter of time before Duckett gets a bigger role in the offense and if he stays healthy

Part of the problem with Duckett in Atlanta is that he was picked by the prior coaching staff for a different system (while the same staff also signed Dunn for a one two punch). Dunn is a much better fit for the current zone blocking west coast system than Duckett is. The current coaching staff inherited Duckett, they didnt pick him.Also realize that Dunn was actually selected higher in the first round than Duckett and was the number one RB chosen overall in the 1997 draft. Labeling Duckett as a change of pace back at best isnt really fair. I believe Duckett is in the last year of his contract. So unless Atlanta wants to change the system to fit Duckett, he'll likely be playing somewhere else next year. People overlooked Larry Johnson, Lamont Jordan, and others in dynasty leagues in recent years because they had so few carries. Dont overlook Duckett because of the lack of carries. Duckett has played well and now he should be contract motivated. If the current owner has given up on Duckett, trade for him now.