Dynasty TE #5 Ranking (1 Viewer)

[Biabreakable]

These are consensus dynasty rankings for year 2007 standard FBGs scoring no PPR

If you vote other, please specify.

Also, please comment on your vote, and list any player that should be nominated for the next round.

Link to poll #http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=292285&st=0#entry5990416

1. Antonio Gates

2. Kellen Winslow

3. Todd Heap

4. Jeremy Shockey

5. Alge Crumpler

Link to poll #6 http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=292938

 

[beto]

I went Crumpler here, but it's close between Cooley, Watson and Crumpler.

 

[gman8343]

I went Crumpler here, but it's close between Cooley, Watson and Crumpler.

I went Crumpler too, though I think Watson has more upside.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Chris Cooley

First 3 games in Saunders' new offense - 7 catches, 38 yards, 0 TDs

Last 9 games - 28 catches, 432 yards, 5 TDs

Last 6 games - 20 catches, 322 yards, 5 TDs

If this is the way he's going to be used going forward in the Redskins' offense, he's going to be golden.

 

[Otis]

Ben Watson is the 2nd most targeted TE in the NFL right now (behind Winslow). There is no reason for him to fall even this far. Brady loves him. Guy will only improve with time.

 

[slayer666]

Ben Watson

 

[TitusIII]

Ben Watson is the 2nd most targeted TE in the NFL right now (behind Winslow). There is no reason for him to fall even this far. Brady loves him. Guy will only improve with time.

Although you can't go wrong with Gonzo or Crumpler....

 

[mlball77]

I think Gonzo may actually be turning into a great value pick in dynasty leagues.

 

[wannabee]

Since Colston ( ) is not an option, I will go with Watson.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Watson? Are you guys serious?

One thing that we should have learned is that NE isn't afraid to use more than 1 TE. Sure this year they are using just 1 but next year - who knows? And also this is a very down year for NE WRs so that makes Watson look better than he actually is this year.

 

[wannabee]

Watson? Are you guys serious? One thing that we should have learned is that NE isn't afraid to use more than 1 TE. Sure this year they are using just 1 but next year - who knows? And also this is a very down year for NE WRs so that makes Watson look better than he actually is this year.

That is a good point. But, Daniel Graham is a UFA after this season. I would think that Watson would get a bump up with Thomas being the TE2 instead of the oft-injured Graham. But, Graham's blocking (when healthy) will be hard to replace.

 

[whodeywhodey]

My point is that the probability of the Patriots bringing in either another TE or a rookie TE who can catch are probably higher than most other teams.

The probability of a team such as the Falcons with Crumpler bringing in another TE to share the catches is very low. I'll take Crumpler here everyday in a dynasty format.

 

[wannabee]

My point is that the probability of the Patriots bringing in either another TE or a rookie TE who can catch are probably higher than most other teams.The probability of a team such as the Falcons with Crumpler bringing in another TE to share the catches is very low. I'll take Crumpler here everyday in a dynasty format.

Alge is a great TE, no question. But, the Patriots drafted two TEs last year, pretty high, in an attempt to fill Graham's shoes. I cannot see them bringing in another TE, especially of Graham's caliber. But, the sleeper if Graham leaves is Thomas given a Watson injury.On Alge, I think many more would be on his bandwagon if a QB not named Vick was throwing to him. Alge would he a full fledged stud on many other teams.

 

[Biabreakable]

Man you folks cannot make up your minds about a TE?

Crumpler and Watson are tied right now so will need more votes before a decision can be found.

For those of you supporting Watson theres some things I think you should consider about him as a prospect moving forward.

The situation in NE has been about as good as I think it gets for Watson. The Patriots have a serious rag tag group of WRs right now and Watson is the best combo of talent and experience they have right now. That he has had such a large chunk of the targets this year is a product of that. Still his play has been up and down. He is currently ranked as the #7 TE by this scoring.

Ben Watson 2006

catches/yards/TD

3 50

3 39

5 54

1 35

4 33

Bye

5 60

7 95 1

4 54

2 16

5 74 1

6 89 1

Watson plays for a coach notorious for fliping the script on thier game plans from week to week coupled with a Qb who purposfully spreads his targets around to keep the defense off balance. The Patriots drafted 2 TEs with fairly early picks this year to take over from Grahm if he leaves next year in free agency. The Patriots also have 1st round pick Chad Jackson at WR who is likely to be more heavily targeted moving forward assuming he develops as expected. The Patriots may also bring in some free agent WRs or use early draft picks on them as I don't think they are satisfied with the WR play this year. Watson is a great player but I see a lot of reasons to expect a decline in his targets in this offense moving forward. While some of the other TEs avilable here may not have as much upside as Watson does I find thier roles to be more clearly defined and predictable than the Patriots offense.

Target numbers for the top 12 TEs in 2006 right now:

Heap, Todd (TE) (BAL) 85 55 65% 564 6

Winslow, Kellen (TE) (CLE) 83 66 80% 645 3

Watson, Ben (TE) (NWE) 81 46 57% 552 3

Gates, Antonio (TE) (SDG) 79 49 62% 585 4

Shockey, Jeremy (TE) (NYG) 73 44 60% 442 5

Crumpler, Alge (TE) (ATL) 70 37 53% 554 7

Gonzalez, Tony (TE) (KAN) 67 48 72% 623 3

Smith, L.J. (TE) (PHI) 64 41 64% 470 4

McMichael, Randy (TE) (MIA) 62 44 71% 453 1

Cooley, Chris (TE) (WAS) 61 35 57% 470 5

Witten, Jason (TE) (DAL) 60 42 70% 480 1

Clark, Desmond (TE) (CHI) 54 33 61% 447 4

Targets for the Patriots in 2006:

Watson, Ben (TE) (NWE) 81 46 57% 552 3

Caldwell, Reche (WR) (NWE) 63 38 60% 464 3

Brown, Troy (WR) (NWE) 45 31 69% 292 3

Gabriel, Doug (WR) (NWE) 42 24 57% 332 3

Faulk, Kevin (RB) (NWE) 37 29 78% 227 1

Maroney, Laurence (RB) (NWE) 24 18 75% 188 1

Graham, Daniel (TE) (NWE) 21 10 48% 126 2

Jackson, Chad (WR) (NWE) 16 10 62% 131 3

Gaffney, Jabar (WR) (NWE) 10 5 50% 73 0

Thomas, Dave (TE) (NWE) 8 3 37% 52 0

Dillon, Corey (RB) (NWE) 6 6 100% 62 0

Evans, Heath (FB) (NWE) 3 2 67% 11 1

Vrabel, Mike (LB) (NWE) 1 0 0% 0 0

So in essence what I think you need to ask yourself when comparing Watson to the other TEs available is if you believe that Watson will continue to be the most targeted player in the Patriots offense next year and moving forward? If the answer is yes then I would agree with voting for him at this point. If the answer is no then I think you need to look at the other options.

 

[wannabee]

Man you folks cannot make up your minds about a TE?

Crumpler and Watson are tied right now so will need more votes before a decision can be found.

For those of you supporting Watson theres some things I think you should consider about him as a prospect moving forward.

The situation in NE has been about as good as I think it gets for Watson. The Patriots have a serious rag tag group of WRs right now and Watson is the best combo of talent and experience they have right now. That he has had such a large chunk of the targets this year is a product of that. Still his play has been up and down. He is currently ranked as the #7 TE by this scoring.

Ben Watson 2006

catches/yards/TD

3 50

3 39

5 54

1 35

4 33

Bye

5 60

7 95 1

4 54

2 16

5 74 1

6 89 1

Watson plays for a coach notorious for fliping the script on thier game plans from week to week coupled with a Qb who purposfully spreads his targets around to keep the defense off balance. The Patriots drafted 2 TEs with fairly early picks this year to take over from Grahm if he leaves next year in free agency. The Patriots also have 1st round pick Chad Jackson at WR who is likely to be more heavily targeted moving forward assuming he develops as expected. The Patriots may also bring in some free agent WRs or use early draft picks on them as I don't think they are satisfied with the WR play this year. Watson is a great player but I see a lot of reasons to expect a decline in his targets in this offense moving forward. While some of the other TEs avilable here may not have as much upside as Watson does I find thier roles to be more clearly defined and predictable than the Patriots offense.

Target numbers for the top 12 TEs in 2006 right now:

Heap, Todd (TE) (BAL) 85 55 65% 564 6

Winslow, Kellen (TE) (CLE) 83 66 80% 645 3

Watson, Ben (TE) (NWE) 81 46 57% 552 3

Gates, Antonio (TE) (SDG) 79 49 62% 585 4

Shockey, Jeremy (TE) (NYG) 73 44 60% 442 5

Crumpler, Alge (TE) (ATL) 70 37 53% 554 7

Gonzalez, Tony (TE) (KAN) 67 48 72% 623 3

Smith, L.J. (TE) (PHI) 64 41 64% 470 4

McMichael, Randy (TE) (MIA) 62 44 71% 453 1

Cooley, Chris (TE) (WAS) 61 35 57% 470 5

Witten, Jason (TE) (DAL) 60 42 70% 480 1

Clark, Desmond (TE) (CHI) 54 33 61% 447 4

Targets for the Patriots in 2006:

Watson, Ben (TE) (NWE) 81 46 57% 552 3

Caldwell, Reche (WR) (NWE) 63 38 60% 464 3

Brown, Troy (WR) (NWE) 45 31 69% 292 3

Gabriel, Doug (WR) (NWE) 42 24 57% 332 3

Faulk, Kevin (RB) (NWE) 37 29 78% 227 1

Maroney, Laurence (RB) (NWE) 24 18 75% 188 1

Graham, Daniel (TE) (NWE) 21 10 48% 126 2

Jackson, Chad (WR) (NWE) 16 10 62% 131 3

Gaffney, Jabar (WR) (NWE) 10 5 50% 73 0

Thomas, Dave (TE) (NWE) 8 3 37% 52 0

Dillon, Corey (RB) (NWE) 6 6 100% 62 0

Evans, Heath (FB) (NWE) 3 2 67% 11 1

Vrabel, Mike (LB) (NWE) 1 0 0% 0 0

So in essence what I think you need to ask yourself when comparing Watson to the other TEs available is if you believe that Watson will continue to be the most targeted player in the Patriots offense next year and moving forward? If the answer is yes then I would agree with voting for him at this point. If the answer is no then I think you need to look at the other options.

but, doesnt the same have to be asked about Alge, too? I see both as up in the air and it could go either way. Alge has 10 more targets than the next Atl player (Jenkins) and 25 more than the 3rd and 4th.You are spot on about Watson. He has 20 more targets than the 2nd most targetted Pat, and almost double the targets of the 3rd and 4th most targetted Pat.

I think the thing that disappoints most, if anything, about Watson is how little he has done with so many targets.

 

[Otis]

Not only do I think Watson's targets will remain the same, but I think people here are undervaluing his athletic ability. That guy is a beast. He's no ordinary pass catching TE.

 

[Biabreakable]

doesnt the same have to be asked about Alge, too?

Well Alge is older than Watson 29 this month. Crumpler has been the main target for Vick the last 2 years. The reason he wasn't in 2004 was because of injury. He missed 2 games and was limited in several others.2004 targets Crumpler 74 Peerless Price 1052005 targets Crumpler 115 Finneran 81 Jenkins 702006 targets Crumpler 72 Jenkins 61 White 47So Crumpler is Vicks main target and should continue to be unless Vicks starting position in Atlanta changes?One has to wonder also if Crunpler might perform better with another Qb besides Vick or not.

 

[wannabee]

doesnt the same have to be asked about Alge, too?

Well Alge is older than Watson 29 this month. Crumpler has been the main target for Vick the last 2 years. The reason he wasn't in 2004 was because of injury. He missed 2 games and was limited in several others.2004 targets Crumpler 74 Peerless Price 1052005 targets Crumpler 115 Finneran 81 Jenkins 702006 targets Crumpler 72 Jenkins 61 White 47So Crumpler is Vicks main target and should continue to be unless Vicks starting position in Atlanta changes?One has to wonder also if Crunpler might perform better with another Qb besides Vick or not.

I think the question for both TEs is: Is the TE that good or the WRs that bad. If the former, then things will continue. If the latter, then a decent WR added could change the distribution. On the Vick/Alge situation, I think many would argue that Alge gets many of his targets from Vick that he would not get if there was another QB. I own Alge in 2 leagues, and Watson in none and never owned Watson. But, I do watch both a lot. This is definitely a chicken or the egg situation, especially for Alge. Would things be different if Atl had better WRs or a different QB? Maybe, be we probably will never know. NE, on the other hand, drafted Chad Jackson early on because they saw they had a need. They acquired Gabriel and signed Reche for same reason. We shall soon find out if it is Watson, or the situation.One thing that I think has been lost in all of the Watson talk is Brady. Yes, he spreads it around. But, I think that is good for Watson. And, Brady's accuracy will help Watson. The same cannot be said for Alge. Alge would catch a few more balls i Vick had a little more accuracy. Thank you for the discussion, Bia. I think this is what really makes this board what it is.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Not only do I think Watson's targets will remain the same, but I think people here are undervaluing his athletic ability. That guy is a beast. He's no ordinary pass catching TE.

Ben Watson should be in the top 3 here. He's coming like a freight train, and anybody who has seen the Patriots play recently should be on to this. Watson keeps moving up through the top 5 to close out the season and never looks back.You'd have to give me a lot more than Alge Crumpler to get me to give up Ben Watson.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I voted Cooley and really like him, especially if they go with Campbell at QB.