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[DYNASTY] The Buy List (1 Viewer)

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Below is a list of players who strike me as good buys in dynasty leagues right now. I tried to focus on names that aren't getting tons of attention right now, although this list also includes a number of well-known players. Without furhter ado, the 2007 dynasty offseason buy list...

Alex Smith, QB, San Francisco - Smith quietly made huge strides in 2006. He improved his QB rating by 34 points and improved his completion percentage by more than 7 percent. After throwing 1 TD and 11 INTs in 2005, Smith threw 16 TDs and 16 INTs last season. Smith is a former number one overall pick and is barely 23 years old. He appears to have a great attitude and it looks like his best days are ahead of him. The 49ers are one of the rising organizations in the NFL. As Smith continues to mature and the team continues to add talent, his value should increase. I don't know if he'll ever throw enough to be a true FF star, but I think he has a good chance of eventually becoming a steady top 10 QB. While other owners are overpaying for Cutler, Leinart, and Young, it might be wise to pick up Smith at a bargain price.

Michael Turner, RB, San Diego - Now that his chances of starting have vanished for another 9-10 months, Turner might actually be a good buy. Although he lacks the explosiveness of a guy like Tomlinson or Bush, Turner is an above average NFL back who stands a very good chance of becoming a team's workhorse in the near future. He's been hyped up a ton on FBG and is generally considered a valuable asset by his owners, but he's still an intriguing value. I suggest you wait a few weeks into the season when his owners get desperate to compete for the 2007 crown. Their title lust will make them more willing to trade Turner for instant help, which should allow you to pick up this valuable RB at a relatively cheap price. I consider him roughly equivalent in value to Rudi Johnson.

Thomas Jones, RB, NYJ - A former top 10 pick in the NFL draft, Jones is probably one of the most underrated running backs in the NFL. He's been in the league for a while and he probably only has 2-3 peak years left, but I think he has a chance to help your team if you're looking for a rock solid RB2 in the short-term. Pennington is the best QB Jones has ever gotten to play with. The Jets have some real talent on the OL and a pair of talented WRs. If Chad stays healthy, Jones should have the best season of his NFL career next year.

Kenny Irons, RB, Cincinnati - A two-time all-SEC selection and recent 2nd round NFL draft pick, Kenny Irons is poised to threaten for the Bengals starting RB slot at some point in the next few years. Irons lacks elite talent and will probably never be a true superstar, but he is similar to Clinton Portis in many respects and his performance at the combine solidified the fact that he has NFL-caliber athletic ability. Irons is certainly not a lock to become an effective NFL starter, but I feel he represents a good risk/reward proposition at his current cost. If you can get him for a retread like Tatum Bell, Chester Taylor, or DeShaun Foster, I'd probably pull the trigger. A highly-drafted RB on a great offense is a valuable commodity.

Mark Clayton, WR, Baltimore - Clayton isn't the biggest or the fastest WR in the league, but he's a solid football player. During the 2005 draft, Torry Holt said Clayton was the best WR in the class. It looks like he may have been on to something. I don't know if Clayton will ever be more than a good FF WR2 or WR3, but he's a good player who should have a long and productive career in the NFL. He won't come cheap, but he looks like a solid low risk investment to me.

Santonio Holmes, WR, Pittsburgh - Holmes was the first WR chosen in 2006 and the only receiver taken in the first round. He paid immediate dividends, racking up over 800 receiving yards last season including over 500 yards in his last eight games. In spite of these credentials, many FF players rank him below the likes of Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, DJ Hackett, Sidney Rice, Deion Branch, Brandon Marshall, and Brandon Jones. If you can get Holmes in return for one of these players, I would pull the trigger. Holmes may never be a true star, but it's tough to argue with his pedigree and his production thus far. Also, he has the benefit of playing with a good QB and an aging WR1. I probably wouldn't trade him for any rookie WR not named Calvin Johnson. That's not to say there aren't players with more upside, but Holmes has already shown that he can play at the NFL level.

Reggie Williams, WR, Jacksonville - Williams was a dominant player in college and a top 10 pick in the NFL draft. His NFL career has been unspectacular thus far, but his numbers have improved every season and he's still only 24 years old. I have questions about his intelligence and desire to be great, but I think he's still a pretty good buy low candidate due to his high ceiling and low cost. Try to find a long-term owner who has finally given up on Reggie after three slow seasons. You might be able to get him for pennies. There's no guarantee that he'll ever pan out, but he's the type of guy I recommend stashing for 1-2 years to see what happens.

Ronald Curry, WR, Oakland - Who's the best WR on the Raiders? Probably Curry. Injuries have hampered him, but he's quietly been very productive at times during his career. He was a dominant athlete in college and I think he might be poised for his best season as a pro. That said, the Raiders are an utter disaster and I have my doubts about their ability to produce a productive WR. Still, Curry is a name to consider deep in a draft or as a trade throw-in.

Kevin Curtis, WR, Philadelphia - I've always thought Curtis is a good player. Now that he finally has a chance to be a starter, I think he makes an good short-term WR4 or WR5. He's a bit old and he'll probably never be a true superstar, but I expect him to exceed expectations next season. It's even possible that he'll have a better year than Reggie Brown.

Steve Smith/Mike Walker/Laurent Robinson/Johnnie Lee Higgins/Jacoby Jones - While high-profile rookies have a tendency to be overrated and overdrafted, second tier guys can often be had for pennies. Capitalize on this fact and round out your bench with some of these unheralded WRs. If you're patient, you might get the next Laveranues Coles, Darrell Jackson, Chad Johnson, or Steve Smith. Robinson is my favorite of this group, but they all have talent.

Brad Smith, WR, NYJ - Smith was a dominant player in college. Although he played QB at Missouri, he still managed to be an early fourth round selection as a WR prospect. At 6'2" and 210 pounds, Smith has tons of athletic ability and was reportedly the best WR on the field at many Jets practices last year. He's flying way under the radar right now. It will probably take 2-3 more years for him to hit his peak, but he could be a top 20 FF WR in the future. I have him on most of my dynasty teams and have tried to acquire him in all but one of my leagues. Expect him to push out McCareins this season and solidify himself as the WR3 for the Jets.

 
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I have to step out for a bit, but here's a little more about Brad Smith.

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He runs well in the open field, which is rare for a big WR. Everyone says he has a great attitude and is a hard worker. Also, it sounds like he's more than just an athlete trying to play WR. Apparently he has legitimate WR hands and the ability to make tough grabs. He's definitely a name to remember.

 
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious.

I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.

 
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Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow? I thought his whole MO was that he was very fast?The thing I don't like about Curry is his injury history; but he has been a gamer and got back in playing shape twice. I think he is currently the Raiders best and most reliable WR (take that for what it's worth).Brad Smith - you'll need alot of patience and I can't honestly say what the outcome will be.Smith - Meh... Not crazy about him either. He is a very smart kid however so I'll give him a pass. I just can't see him being a no-brainer fantasy starter.Williams - suck.
 
Watching Big 12 games, by far the two scariest players I saw in the past 10 years or so were Vince Young and Brad Smith. Smith's weird in the open field - he never looks like he's moving that fast, but he seems to understand angles intuitively better than almost anyone out there. He just seems to avoid the defensive player without ever making a hard cut.

However, that was running from the QB position, so he was running at guys in the open field. I'm not sure how that will translate to the WR position, and I didn't see much of the Jets last year.

I'd add Roethlisberger to the list. He doesn't make sense on any of my dynasty teams, but I think his value is lower than it should be right now.

 
Troy Williamson is a high risk/high reward buy low target right now. I think he will become what the Vikings drafted him 7th overall for eventualy starting this year. This will be the last chance to get him at discounted value.

 
Below is a list of players who strike me as good buys in dynasty leagues right now. I tried to focus on names that aren't getting tons of attention right now, although this list also includes a number of well-known players. Without furhter ado, the 2007 dynasty offseason buy list...

Alex Smith, QB, San Francisco

Michael Turner, RB, San Diego

Thomas Jones, RB, NYJ

Kenny Irons, RB, Cincinnati

Mark Clayton, WR, Baltimore

Santonio Holmes, WR, Pittsburgh

Reggie Williams, WR, Jacksonville

Ronald Curry, WR, Oakland

Kevin Curtis, WR, Philadelphia

Steve Smith/Mike Walker/Laurent Robinson/Johnnie Lee Higgins/Jacoby Jones

Brad Smith, WR, NYJ
D.J. HackettDerek Hagan

 
I like most of the list... in particular Curtis and Irons seem like good guys to buy at the current date.

I honestly think Alex Smith could be a sell right now though. I'm just not sold on him continuing to improve with Norv Turner gone... he may even regress a bit, in particular if Gore has any health issues.

Seems like you could make a case for a ton of Minn/Tenn/Jax WRs as good buys right now... as each of those teams are wide open at the position.

I like Heath Miller as a buy right now also. Maybe the new coaching staff will better utilize him in the passing game. Miller seems too talented to not improve upon his 06 production.

 
Brad Smith, WR, NYJ - Smith was a dominant player in college. Although he played QB at Missouri, he still managed to be an early fourth round selection as a WR prospect. At 6'2" and 210 pounds, Smith has tons of athletic ability and was reportedly the best WR on the field at many Jets practices last year. He's flying way under the radar right now. It will probably take 2-3 more years for him to hit his peak, but he could be a top 20 FF WR in the future. I have him on most of my dynasty teams and have tried to acquire him in all but one of my leagues. Expect him to push out McCareins this season and solidify himself as the WR3 for the Jets.
I'll add mine later, but as a Jayhawk, I echo your comments. I loved and hated Brad Smith when he was a Tiger.
 
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow?
12 ypc is slow
 
Troy Williamson is a high risk/high reward buy low target right now. I think he will become what the Vikings drafted him 7th overall for eventualy starting this year. This will be the last chance to get him at discounted value.
I think I'll let him prove it on someone elses roster
 
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow?
12 ypc is slow
Depends on the offensive mindset and playcalling. He's less than a yard per catch off of Torry Holt's numbers the last couple of years. And Holt isn't slow.
 
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
Kevin Curtis is not slow. He ran in the 4.3 range at the combine. Curry hasn't had enough healthy seasons to be considered a career backup. Keep in mind that he was a quarterback in college. The learning curve is a little steeper when you're playing a new position. He had 46 catches for 486 yards in his last eight games. Reggie Williams has only been in the league for three years. He's 24. If you wrote off every NFL player based on what he's accomplished before the age of 24, you wouldn't be left with many great players.
 
I like most of the list... in particular Curtis and Irons seem like good guys to buy at the current date. I honestly think Alex Smith could be a sell right now though. I'm just not sold on him continuing to improve with Norv Turner gone... he may even regress a bit, in particular if Gore has any health issues.Seems like you could make a case for a ton of Minn/Tenn/Jax WRs as good buys right now... as each of those teams are wide open at the position. I like Heath Miller as a buy right now also. Maybe the new coaching staff will better utilize him in the passing game. Miller seems too talented to not improve upon his 06 production.
Part of my optimism regarding Alex Smith is caused by my feeling that the 49ers are really making a lot of great personnel moves. I think this is a team on the rise, and I don't see how that can be anything but good for Alex Smith. As for the Minn/Tenn/Jax WRs, you might be right, but I'm not too excited by the options on those rosters. Sidney Rice has a chance, but he won't come cheap. Troy Williamson? Meh. I steer clear of guys with suspect hands. Brandon Jones seems like a Givens type. Matt Jones is too much of a long-strider to be a great WR based on what I've seen. Heath Miller is an interesting option. He's not athletic enough to be a star, but his numbers probably have nowhere to go but up.
 
LenDale White is going to be a beast and this is your last chance to get him cheap.
If I had more faith in his work ethic, I'd agree with you. He has the talent to make a lot of people eat crow. Whether or not he decides to put in the effort needed to become a solid pro is anyone's guess. I won't be surprised if he's a perennial 1,200 yard rusher or a complete bust.
 
I'd add Roethlisberger to the list. He doesn't make sense on any of my dynasty teams, but I think his value is lower than it should be right now.
I tend to agree with you, but I've already beaten that dead horse plenty. 2007 will be a crucial year for Roethlisberger. He could certainly surprise us all and have a monster year. The weapons are in place for that to happen. But I still hear grumbling that Pitt wants to stick to smashmouth football, so we'll have to wait and see.
 
Below is a list of players who strike me as good buys in dynasty leagues right now. I tried to focus on names that aren't getting tons of attention right now, although this list also includes a number of well-known players. Without furhter ado, the 2007 dynasty offseason buy list...

Alex Smith, QB, San Francisco

Michael Turner, RB, San Diego

Thomas Jones, RB, NYJ

Kenny Irons, RB, Cincinnati

Mark Clayton, WR, Baltimore

Santonio Holmes, WR, Pittsburgh

Reggie Williams, WR, Jacksonville

Ronald Curry, WR, Oakland

Kevin Curtis, WR, Philadelphia

Steve Smith/Mike Walker/Laurent Robinson/Johnnie Lee Higgins/Jacoby Jones

Brad Smith, WR, NYJ
D.J. HackettDerek Hagan
Hackett - Haven't personally seen enough of him to know if he's legit, but the buzz is good. Deion Branch is not a number one WR, so it's entirely possible that Hackett will step in and put up a big season. But is he underrated? I don't know. He's pretty high on the FBG dynasty list considering his lack of production thus far.Hagan - Liked him when he was entering the league. Miami's WR situation is cloudy and Hagan didn't have a great rookie year by any means, but I still think there's a chance he becomes the next Muhsin Muhammad. Certainly not a bad guy to draft and stash.

 
Troy Williamson is a high risk/high reward buy low target right now. I think he will become what the Vikings drafted him 7th overall for eventualy starting this year. This will be the last chance to get him at discounted value.
After suffering through Quincy Morgan and Tyrone Calico, I'm done hyping WRs with bad hands. It just seems like a guy either has good hands or he doesn't. And I'm afraid Williamson is in the latter category. He wasn't very productive in college and he just doesn't look the part of a great NFL WR to me. He's too young to be ignored entirely, but I'm not optimistic.
 
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Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow?
12 ypc is slow
lol at 12 ypc, anyone that has actually seen him play knows he is NOT slow . . .
 
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious.

I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow?
12 ypc is slow
:confused: What does YPC have to do with speed

in 2003 Steve Smith----88rec 1110yds 12.6ypc

 
Also add (talking dynasty of course):

Kevin Jones

Lamont Jordan

Eric Johnson

Marcus Pollard

Leon Washington

and

Chad Jackson

 
duaneok66 said:
NorrisB said:
bigmurd said:
NorrisB said:
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow?
12 ypc is slow
lol at 12 ypc, anyone that has actually seen him play knows he is NOT slow . . .
:goodposting:
 
duaneok66 said:
NorrisB said:
bigmurd said:
NorrisB said:
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
I've never heard of Curtis being slow?
12 ypc is slow
lol at 12 ypc, anyone that has actually seen him play knows he is NOT slow . . .
:thumbup:
No kidding... How about actually watching someone play before commenting on their abilities?
 
NorrisB said:
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
Curtis is the same size as Santana Moss.
 
NorrisB said:
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
Curtis is the same size as Santana Moss.
Curtis - 5'11" 186lbsS.Moss - 5'9" 185lbs
 
NorrisB said:
Kevin Curtis is small, and too slow to be more then a fringe #2 WR (NFL), Curry is a career backup if Ive ever seen one, Brad Smith? You cant be serious. I'll pass on Alex Smith, kind of get a Chad Pennington vibe from him. Reggie Williams is in the coaches dog house and has been a bust, not alot to like.
Curtis is the same size as Santana Moss.
Curtis - 5'11" 186lbsS.Moss - 5'9" 185lbs
What's 2 inches, I guess is what He's trying to say. :D I say this all the time 4 inches 6 inches what's the differents? :goodposting:
 
Braylon EdwardsJason CampbellLadell BettsMarion BarberWes Welker
:D I'm not a big fan of Portis, great talent, wrong system for him.Welker could be a sneaky 80-catch guy, with all the focus on Moss and Stallworth , Welker figures to see a lot of action on the short routes..I'll add to this list:Zach Miller - Oakland's OC is Greg Knapp, a guy who loves to utilize the TE position ( see Alge Crumpler). The team is reportedly unhappy with Courtney Anderson , and they used a 2nd round pick on Miller.But with Knapp calling plays and with a rookie QB at the helm, a TE is a QB's best friend. Another Todd Heap in the making.Devery Henderson - Can Colston repeat his terrific rookie season, or will he suffer a sophomore slump?If he slumps, Henderson figures to be the main benefactor. If Colston proves to be the real deal, Henderson will benefit from defenses rolling their coverage towards Colston, leaving Henderson in more 1-on-1 coverage. ADP will be LOW on this guy, he's every bit as promising as Hackett is in Seattle.I'm not a big Ronnie Brown fan, but if you believe that Cam Cameron is going to turn around that pathetic Miami offense, Brown is a your certified stud RB , going forward. Cameron loves to call screen passes and dumpoffs to the RB ( LT2 avg'd 67 catches per season while Cameron was OC in San Diego). Brown has a great set of hands, and could catch 50+ balls this season. Who else on the team has shown they can catch the ball with any consistency?! Cameron has never been a big proponent of passing to the WR's , he uses the TE and RB's more than anything else. Brown has averaged 4.3 ypc in his NFL seasons , not bad when you consider how bad the coaching and the QB play has been down there. If ( a mighty big if) the Dolphins get their O-line sorted out, Brown has a bright future.
 
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Some of these are duplicates, but my list:

I'm trying to keep away from the elite, although I'm inclined to buy players like VY, Reggie Bush, and Lee Evans.

QB:

Jason Campbell - I asked this question a year ago, as I liked Campbell back then. He's shown that he is a legit starter, and I think he'll be even better.

Ben Roethlisberger - might be tough to buy him from his owner, more likely a great value in new leagues.

Travaris Jackson - depends on the price, but I like his potential.

RB:

Adrian Peterson - the other one. I'm just not sold on Benson (caveat, if Brown signs with the Bears, so maybe a hold for now)

Chris Brown - Tennessee or Chicago? Should have bought months ago, but oh well.

Jerome Harrison - Jamal isn't the same guy he used to be.

Chester Taylor - went for a top DE in one of my leagues recently, at that price, I'd take the chance that he'll play some this year and move on next.

WR:

Hank Baskett - yes, Curtis is probably the #2 for now, but I'm not sold. Baskett could easily take that role.

Mike Furrey - all but forgotten around here, I don't think he'll disappear in Detroit. Maybe only a good play in deep leagues, but he's cheap right now.

Braylon Edwards - edging towards elite, but not there yet. Buy him while you can.

Matt Jones - still drinking the kool-aid, others are falling off the wagon. (including his coach?)

Greg Jennings - played great as a rookie until the injury. play up the eventual Favre retirement, but he'll be good even without Favre.

Troy Williamson - I tried once, failed. I think he's worth pursuing.

 
Also add (talking dynasty of course):Chad Jackson
Curious why you added Jackson.
This is my thinking:Chad Jackson was a high 2nd round pick the Pats traded up for, hoping he'd be able to utilize his talents immediately. Unfortunately, he got hurt and it slowed his progress.This year, the Pats took a different route by adding Moss, Stallworth, and Welker.So, while they still have high expectations for him, they are not pressuring him and are going to allow him to become the player they think he'll be.Basically, this is a guy in dynasty that will be very good in NE in a season or two, but it will cost very little to stash him on a dynasty roster now. Of course, if (when) Stallworth gets hurt he may get his shot yet this year.
 
This sounds nuts but I'm really liking Travis Wilson (Browns). He's got a lot of talent and could benefit from heavy coverages on Edwards, Winslow.

 
Braylon EdwardsJason CampbellLadell BettsMarion BarberWes Welker
:fishing: I'm not a big fan of Portis, great talent, wrong system for him.Welker could be a sneaky 80-catch guy, with all the focus on Moss and Stallworth , Welker figures to see a lot of action on the short routes..I'll add to this list:Zach Miller - Oakland's OC is Greg Knapp, a guy who loves to utilize the TE position ( see Alge Crumpler). The team is reportedly unhappy with Courtney Anderson , and they used a 2nd round pick on Miller.But with Knapp calling plays and with a rookie QB at the helm, a TE is a QB's best friend. Another Todd Heap in the making.Devery Henderson - Can Colston repeat his terrific rookie season, or will he suffer a sophomore slump?If he slumps, Henderson figures to be the main benefactor. If Colston proves to be the real deal, Henderson will benefit from defenses rolling their coverage towards Colston, leaving Henderson in more 1-on-1 coverage. ADP will be LOW on this guy, he's every bit as promising as Hackett is in Seattle.I'm not a big Ronnie Brown fan, but if you believe that Cam Cameron is going to turn around that pathetic Miami offense, Brown is a your certified stud RB , going forward. Cameron loves to call screen passes and dumpoffs to the RB ( LT2 avg'd 67 catches per season while Cameron was OC in San Diego). Brown has a great set of hands, and could catch 50+ balls this season. Who else on the team has shown they can catch the ball with any consistency?! Cameron has never been a big proponent of passing to the WR's , he uses the TE and RB's more than anything else. Brown has averaged 4.3 ypc in his NFL seasons , not bad when you consider how bad the coaching and the QB play has been down there. If ( a mighty big if) the Dolphins get their O-line sorted out, Brown has a bright future.
There is no way Welker catches 80 balls with Moss and Stallworth - unless Maroney gets hurt and they throw the ball like the Rams did in their heyday (and even then their defense is good enough to still try to win if the offense plays conservative). Also Cam Cameron threw the ball to the TE and RB so much with the Chargers because of LT and AG (well that and their pathetic lacks of any quality WRs). Brown might catch more balls this season but understand that the offense in San Diego is light years different that the one in Miami this year. Any correlation between the two is wishful thinking - I can't think of any position on offense in Miami that is similar to San Diego (especially in the OL).
 
Considering how easy he is to acquire, what about Michael Jenkins? :thumbup:

Receptions Yards TDs7 119 036 508 339 436 7Stat-wise, his numbers over the first three years makes him a solid poor man's Reggie Wayne, and I happen to think he has some nice upside left.Edited to add Reggie Wayne's stats for his first three years.

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BLOX said:
Also add (talking dynasty of course):Chad Jackson
Curious why you added Jackson.
This is my thinking:Chad Jackson was a high 2nd round pick the Pats traded up for, hoping he'd be able to utilize his talents immediately. Unfortunately, he got hurt and it slowed his progress.This year, the Pats took a different route by adding Moss, Stallworth, and Welker.So, while they still have high expectations for him, they are not pressuring him and are going to allow him to become the player they think he'll be.Basically, this is a guy in dynasty that will be very good in NE in a season or two, but it will cost very little to stash him on a dynasty roster now. Of course, if (when) Stallworth gets hurt he may get his shot yet this year.
I just traded him a couple weeks back. Deal was Chad Jackson and two 4ths for Trent Edwards and a 3rd. Perhaps I made the sucker move and sold low, but I just don't have that much faith in Jackson. He's a good athlete and he has the hands and physical ability to be successful, but he's never really played up to his ability and he strikes me as soft. Also, the addition of Stallworth and Moss probably makes him a WR3 at best for the Patriots for the next 2-3 years. That said, he still has potential and he can definitely be had for cheap. You could do worse.
 
Mister CIA said:
Considering how easy he is to acquire, what about Michael Jenkins? :bye:

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Stat-wise, his numbers over the first three years makes him a solid poor man's Reggie Wayne, and I happen to think he has some nice upside left.Edited to add Reggie Wayne's stats for his first three years.
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He's a decent player, but I don't think stardom is in his future. The Vick factor hurts him in the short-term. I guess I could see him being a useful WR3 or WR4 if he goes to a different team, but I'll be surprised if he's ever a consistent 1,000 yard guy.
 
perry147 said:
Braylon EdwardsJason CampbellLadell BettsMarion BarberWes Welker
:shrug: I'm not a big fan of Portis, great talent, wrong system for him.Welker could be a sneaky 80-catch guy, with all the focus on Moss and Stallworth , Welker figures to see a lot of action on the short routes..I'll add to this list:Zach Miller - Oakland's OC is Greg Knapp, a guy who loves to utilize the TE position ( see Alge Crumpler). The team is reportedly unhappy with Courtney Anderson , and they used a 2nd round pick on Miller.But with Knapp calling plays and with a rookie QB at the helm, a TE is a QB's best friend. Another Todd Heap in the making.Devery Henderson - Can Colston repeat his terrific rookie season, or will he suffer a sophomore slump?If he slumps, Henderson figures to be the main benefactor. If Colston proves to be the real deal, Henderson will benefit from defenses rolling their coverage towards Colston, leaving Henderson in more 1-on-1 coverage. ADP will be LOW on this guy, he's every bit as promising as Hackett is in Seattle.I'm not a big Ronnie Brown fan, but if you believe that Cam Cameron is going to turn around that pathetic Miami offense, Brown is a your certified stud RB , going forward. Cameron loves to call screen passes and dumpoffs to the RB ( LT2 avg'd 67 catches per season while Cameron was OC in San Diego). Brown has a great set of hands, and could catch 50+ balls this season. Who else on the team has shown they can catch the ball with any consistency?! Cameron has never been a big proponent of passing to the WR's , he uses the TE and RB's more than anything else. Brown has averaged 4.3 ypc in his NFL seasons , not bad when you consider how bad the coaching and the QB play has been down there. If ( a mighty big if) the Dolphins get their O-line sorted out, Brown has a bright future.
There is no way Welker catches 80 balls with Moss and Stallworth - unless Maroney gets hurt and they throw the ball like the Rams did in their heyday (and even then their defense is good enough to still try to win if the offense plays conservative). Also Cam Cameron threw the ball to the TE and RB so much with the Chargers because of LT and AG (well that and their pathetic lacks of any quality WRs). Brown might catch more balls this season but understand that the offense in San Diego is light years different that the one in Miami this year. Any correlation between the two is wishful thinking - I can't think of any position on offense in Miami that is similar to San Diego (especially in the OL).
Another big note: Not a single player for New England has caught 80 balls since Troy Brown caught 97 in 2002. Branch came close with 78 in the '05 season. Every other year, the LEADING receiver was in the 60+ range.
 
perry147 said:
Braylon EdwardsJason CampbellLadell BettsMarion BarberWes Welker
:confused: I'm not a big fan of Portis, great talent, wrong system for him.Welker could be a sneaky 80-catch guy, with all the focus on Moss and Stallworth , Welker figures to see a lot of action on the short routes..I'll add to this list:Zach Miller - Oakland's OC is Greg Knapp, a guy who loves to utilize the TE position ( see Alge Crumpler). The team is reportedly unhappy with Courtney Anderson , and they used a 2nd round pick on Miller.But with Knapp calling plays and with a rookie QB at the helm, a TE is a QB's best friend. Another Todd Heap in the making.Devery Henderson - Can Colston repeat his terrific rookie season, or will he suffer a sophomore slump?If he slumps, Henderson figures to be the main benefactor. If Colston proves to be the real deal, Henderson will benefit from defenses rolling their coverage towards Colston, leaving Henderson in more 1-on-1 coverage. ADP will be LOW on this guy, he's every bit as promising as Hackett is in Seattle.I'm not a big Ronnie Brown fan, but if you believe that Cam Cameron is going to turn around that pathetic Miami offense, Brown is a your certified stud RB , going forward. Cameron loves to call screen passes and dumpoffs to the RB ( LT2 avg'd 67 catches per season while Cameron was OC in San Diego). Brown has a great set of hands, and could catch 50+ balls this season. Who else on the team has shown they can catch the ball with any consistency?! Cameron has never been a big proponent of passing to the WR's , he uses the TE and RB's more than anything else. Brown has averaged 4.3 ypc in his NFL seasons , not bad when you consider how bad the coaching and the QB play has been down there. If ( a mighty big if) the Dolphins get their O-line sorted out, Brown has a bright future.
There is no way Welker catches 80 balls with Moss and Stallworth - unless Maroney gets hurt and they throw the ball like the Rams did in their heyday (and even then their defense is good enough to still try to win if the offense plays conservative). Also Cam Cameron threw the ball to the TE and RB so much with the Chargers because of LT and AG (well that and their pathetic lacks of any quality WRs). Brown might catch more balls this season but understand that the offense in San Diego is light years different that the one in Miami this year. Any correlation between the two is wishful thinking - I can't think of any position on offense in Miami that is similar to San Diego (especially in the OL).
Another big note: Not a single player for New England has caught 80 balls since Troy Brown caught 97 in 2002. Branch came close with 78 in the '05 season. Every other year, the LEADING receiver was in the 60+ range.
Also important:Their best WRs have been Deion Branch, David Givens, and Reche Caldwell. How many NFL teams would those guys start for? Branch is probably the only guy who would start for most of the teams in the NFL, and even he is better suited for a WR2 role.ETA: But I agree that the odds of Welker catching 80 passes are about zero. I look for 35-45 catches.
 
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Below is a list of players who strike me as good buys in dynasty leagues right now. I tried to focus on names that aren't getting tons of attention right now, although this list also includes a number of well-known players. Without furhter ado, the 2007 dynasty offseason buy list...

Alex Smith, QB, San Francisco - Smith quietly made huge strides in 2006. ....
Great thread :lmao: Just wondering what your definition of "good buys" was? I was thinking it referred to (1) your favorite players who might be flying under the radar, or (2) players with good upside who could be obtained cheaply either in initial dynasty drafts or through trades. But then I thought you might be referring to players whose expected performance (over the next 2-4 years) substantially exceeded their draft position (representing very good value).

If the latter, then I think you need to compare current ADP against expected performance of that player and comparable players. For example, if a certain player's ADP is close to the ADP of comparable players, then IMO they wouldn't be particularly good buys.

And it would also seem to depend on how far they fall in a specific draft. For example, with a 12-team league and FBG's scoring, drafting Todd Heap in the 3rd round would be a poor buy. But if he fell to the 7th round and you were able to grab him there, then he would be a great buy IMO.

 
perry147 said:
Braylon EdwardsJason CampbellLadell BettsMarion BarberWes Welker
:lmao: I'm not a big fan of Portis, great talent, wrong system for him.Welker could be a sneaky 80-catch guy, with all the focus on Moss and Stallworth , Welker figures to see a lot of action on the short routes..I'll add to this list:Zach Miller - Oakland's OC is Greg Knapp, a guy who loves to utilize the TE position ( see Alge Crumpler). The team is reportedly unhappy with Courtney Anderson , and they used a 2nd round pick on Miller.But with Knapp calling plays and with a rookie QB at the helm, a TE is a QB's best friend. Another Todd Heap in the making.Devery Henderson - Can Colston repeat his terrific rookie season, or will he suffer a sophomore slump?If he slumps, Henderson figures to be the main benefactor. If Colston proves to be the real deal, Henderson will benefit from defenses rolling their coverage towards Colston, leaving Henderson in more 1-on-1 coverage. ADP will be LOW on this guy, he's every bit as promising as Hackett is in Seattle.I'm not a big Ronnie Brown fan, but if you believe that Cam Cameron is going to turn around that pathetic Miami offense, Brown is a your certified stud RB , going forward. Cameron loves to call screen passes and dumpoffs to the RB ( LT2 avg'd 67 catches per season while Cameron was OC in San Diego). Brown has a great set of hands, and could catch 50+ balls this season. Who else on the team has shown they can catch the ball with any consistency?! Cameron has never been a big proponent of passing to the WR's , he uses the TE and RB's more than anything else. Brown has averaged 4.3 ypc in his NFL seasons , not bad when you consider how bad the coaching and the QB play has been down there. If ( a mighty big if) the Dolphins get their O-line sorted out, Brown has a bright future.
There is no way Welker catches 80 balls with Moss and Stallworth - unless Maroney gets hurt and they throw the ball like the Rams did in their heyday (and even then their defense is good enough to still try to win if the offense plays conservative). Also Cam Cameron threw the ball to the TE and RB so much with the Chargers because of LT and AG (well that and their pathetic lacks of any quality WRs). Brown might catch more balls this season but understand that the offense in San Diego is light years different that the one in Miami this year. Any correlation between the two is wishful thinking - I can't think of any position on offense in Miami that is similar to San Diego (especially in the OL).
Another big note: Not a single player for New England has caught 80 balls since Troy Brown caught 97 in 2002. Branch came close with 78 in the '05 season. Every other year, the LEADING receiver was in the 60+ range.
Also important:Their best WRs have been Deion Branch, David Givens, and Reche Caldwell. How many NFL teams would those guys start for? Branch is probably the only guy who would start for most of the teams in the NFL, and even he is better suited for a WR2 role.ETA: But I agree that the odds of Welker catching 80 passes are about zero. I look for 35-45 catches.
For what it's worth Brady had tons of praise for Welker after camp. He's very similar to Troy Brown and I'll be shocked if he doesn't catch a minimum of 60 balls+. The amount of td's probably won't be high but given his ADP he could easily be a steal as a WR3. I don't think 80 balls is out of the realm of possibility either. I'll let everyone grab Moss and Stallworth 5-6 rounds before I target Welker and take my chances. I don't see him being that much less valuable ff-wise than the other two aside from Moss most likely putting up more td's.
 
Also add (talking dynasty of course):Kevin JonesLamont JordanEric JohnsonMarcus PollardLeon WashingtonandChad Jackson
Jordan will be 29 and had to take a pay cut to stay on the team. If the Raiders were threatening to cut him, what does that really say? Then they added Rhodes and Bush. Not exactly a vote of confidence.Pollard is 35. I'm not sure a TE that old will have much long-term value for dynasty leagues.Jackson will likely start the regular season on PUP and miss the first 6 games. He could very well be switched to IR after that. His chances of seeing significant time this year are REALLY, REALLY slim.
 
Below is a list of players who strike me as good buys in dynasty leagues right now. I tried to focus on names that aren't getting tons of attention right now, although this list also includes a number of well-known players. Without furhter ado, the 2007 dynasty offseason buy list...

Alex Smith, QB, San Francisco - Smith quietly made huge strides in 2006. ....
Great thread :lmao: Just wondering what your definition of "good buys" was? I was thinking it referred to (1) your favorite players who might be flying under the radar, or (2) players with good upside who could be obtained cheaply either in initial dynasty drafts or through trades. But then I thought you might be referring to players whose expected performance (over the next 2-4 years) substantially exceeded their draft position (representing very good value).

If the latter, then I think you need to compare current ADP against expected performance of that player and comparable players. For example, if a certain player's ADP is close to the ADP of comparable players, then IMO they wouldn't be particularly good buys.

And it would also seem to depend on how far they fall in a specific draft. For example, with a 12-team league and FBG's scoring, drafting Todd Heap in the 3rd round would be a poor buy. But if he fell to the 7th round and you were able to grab him there, then he would be a great buy IMO.
Basically, these are players who have a pretty good chance of outproducing their cost in the long haul. So if you can get them at market value, you'd be wise to do so.
 
While I do think that Thomas Jones is a good buy right now I don't think he will be the man for the Jets longer than this year and next before he will be replaced. That is certainly worth looking at as a possibly undervalued RB stop gap over the next 2 years however. I have pursued him.. the price is Matt Leinart. I am a bit on the fence if I want to move on that or not.

The rest of EBFs list I pretty much agree with. The owners of many of these players are not selling as cheap as one may hope however. At least not in my leagues. They see these players promise and potential too.

ETA- I have tried going after Troy Williamson in a league where I don't have him but that owner is a surly cabbage and hard to deal with so whateva'. :lmao:

 
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While I do think that Thomas Jones is a good buy right now I don't think he will be the man for the Jets longer than this year and next before he will be replaced. That is certainly worth looking at as a possibly undervalued RB stop gap over the next 2 years however. I have pursued him.. the price is Matt Leinart. I am a bit on the fence if I want to move on that or not.The rest of EBFs list I pretty much agree with. The owners of many of these players are not selling as cheap as one may hope however. At least not in my leagues. They see these players promise and potential too.ETA- I have tried going after Troy Williamson in a league where I don't have him but that owner is a surly cabbage and hard to deal with so whateva'. :lmao:
It's all about finding the right combination of players to make a deal work. Obviously you're not going to get a guy like Turner for pennies. However, if you have an overrated RB like Ronnie Brown on your roster, you could potentially flip him for Turner and someone like Irons/Holmes/Clayton. Not only would you be getting the better back, but you'd also be getting another potential starter at a discount. In general, I think the guys I listed in this thread are good bets to outproduce their consensus ranking. But that doesn't mean acquiring them is going to work for every team or that you won't encounter owners who rank these players significantly higher than the consensus (and are thus unlikely to sell low).ETA: I agree with you about Thomas Jones. But consider where he's ranked vs. Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, and some of the other guys with significant tread off the tire. If you get two top 10-15 years from a guy who's ranked as the RB29 for dynasty purposes, I'd say that's pretty good. But again, it all depends on your team's goals. Thomas Jones is not a good acquisition if you're in rebuilding mode.
 
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