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Dynasty: What would you pay for Deshaun Watson right now? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Context is critical in this discussion. In 1 QB leagues QB value is relatively easy to make up. In super-flex or start 2 QBs QB value reflects that of the NFL. Thus in the context of the nfl the Texans would never trade Watson for a random second rd pick.
I get the sense there are folks on the platform that think Watson never plays again. At worst I see a year suspension, then a rebah tour full of apologies and he is back on the field. When arguing about Watson’s nfl future we should remember that Leonard Little was allowed to play AFTER killing a mother while he was under the influence.
I get the sense there are folks on the platform that think Watson never plays again. At worst I see a year suspension, then a rebah tour full of apologies and he is back on the field. When arguing about Watson’s nfl future we should remember that Leonard Little was allowed to play AFTER killing a mother while he was under the influence.
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
I've found the Watson managers are just letting my offers sit there, presumably wanting the option to accept if news breaks. I've been revoking them so they don't sit out there depending on my revoking the minute something (even more) bad comes out.
The last one I revoked was Sutton and an early 2nd. Also been dangling Chark plus.
All my leagues are superflex.
The last one I revoked was Sutton and an early 2nd. Also been dangling Chark plus.
All my leagues are superflex.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah and back in the 70s and 80s no one blinked at people who drove around with an open beer.
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Footballguy
Maybe I am missing it but I do not see the moral equivalency between an open container and manslaughter.
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Footballguy
Yup you are right. The monetary stakes are even higher today than in 1999. Thus the pressure to win is even greater. A talent like Watson will still be highly coveted after this is resolved.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
The one league I have Watson on my roster is SF. I'm mostly just not thinking about it right now and won't trade him unless there's something I like. I don't like sutton enough to make that deal but maybe someone does. Players in that range (fbg rankings) like Waller could get my interest.
if watson avoids a felony conviction, i think he will definitely be playing in 2022 and beyond. Seems unlikely he plays in 2021 but it would depend on the speed of the HPD investigation as well as if any further formal complaints are filed. unfortunately for the victims, the state does not go to trial on these cases unless they are extremely confident they can get a conviction.
i got a slight discount on him 2+ weeks ago, but that team is in a rebuild and wont be competing until 2023 so i thought it was worth the gamble
i got a slight discount on him 2+ weeks ago, but that team is in a rebuild and wont be competing until 2023 so i thought it was worth the gamble
habsfan
Footballguy
I'm not sure there are any perfect historic "comparables" for Watson and his situation. One thing to consider is that "back on the field" could look different than face of the franchise and centerpiece of the offense. Tarnished superstars do return but don't always pick up where they left off and the reasons they don't aren't always related to skill.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC standard
Watson 10th round of startup draft.
Watson 10th round of startup draft.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
In a pretty decent conversation about buying Watson in 10 team 1QB/PPR Dynasty League.
I have Murray and Wilson
Discussion so far involves me sending Wilson, my 2.07, Kenyan Drake and Will Fuller
For his Watson, 1.08, Nuk Hopkins - I'd like to somehow get a RB return like MIles Sanders thrown in.
My thought on the counter - Wilson > Watson if legal troubles persist (also, he is clearly in win now mode. He has a slough of WR's (J. Jefferson, McLaurin, Lockett, JJSS). He is thin at RB - Aaron Jones, Miles Sanders the only names worth mention. I think me being persistent for him to throw in a RB might be a deal breaker but he is guaranteed to not miss production at QB and Drake is a dice roll. His backup is Drew Brees - so, his back is pretty much against the wall and with me picking before him, I'll probably just take Trevor Lawrence to force his hand for leverage sake. I am sure he is going to shop around for a viable backup QB if he isn't already.
I have Murray and Wilson
Discussion so far involves me sending Wilson, my 2.07, Kenyan Drake and Will Fuller
For his Watson, 1.08, Nuk Hopkins - I'd like to somehow get a RB return like MIles Sanders thrown in.
My thought on the counter - Wilson > Watson if legal troubles persist (also, he is clearly in win now mode. He has a slough of WR's (J. Jefferson, McLaurin, Lockett, JJSS). He is thin at RB - Aaron Jones, Miles Sanders the only names worth mention. I think me being persistent for him to throw in a RB might be a deal breaker but he is guaranteed to not miss production at QB and Drake is a dice roll. His backup is Drew Brees - so, his back is pretty much against the wall and with me picking before him, I'll probably just take Trevor Lawrence to force his hand for leverage sake. I am sure he is going to shop around for a viable backup QB if he isn't already.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Recently moved him in a super flex league for 2 2022 1st round picks. Tried to trade him for the 1.2 or 1.3 this year. no dice. Only other offer I got was a 2022 2nd round pick. If he plays next year the other guy made out In the deal. Just not sure that happens. As others have said, players miss less time than expected when it comes to these things. But that's with one, maybe two conduct policy violations. Not 22!
All I can tell is you is Watson is going well ahead of them in SF startups and that's just taking into drafts that started April 1 or later.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I don't think think that is a good comparison. If the cost is that high, you shouldn't buy right now.
I think the adp shows how much the least risk averse owner values him. In existing leagues he might be held by a risk averse owner who will deal him.
I'm going to get him with a low ball offer or not at all. Chances are very, very good that we have not reached the bottom of public perception yet.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Now I'm sending out offers that are quite a bit less than the offers from a few weeks ago.
Guessing Watson managers are getting nervous now. Bottom seems near. Pretty soon late 2nds get him.
Guessing Watson managers are getting nervous now. Bottom seems near. Pretty soon late 2nds get him.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Situation reminds me of Darren Sharper Lite.
Obv not as severe, but has that serial sexual offender vibe.
Obv not as severe, but has that serial sexual offender vibe.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Anyone that does that is out of their mind. You're better off holding. I don't care if his value goes to zero, you wait.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Nope. Backup plans are teed up and I'm in position to acquire a rookie if I choose to.
Foosball God
Foos
Yeah, I'm not dumping him for a 2nd round pick, what does that get me? Assuming he doesn't do any significant jail time, he'll be back playing. Crazy that a couple years ago with Wentz and Watson I had two of the best young QBs in my league. Now they're both serious question marks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Just last year it got you Antonio Gibson or Brandon Aiyuk or Joe Burrow or Chase Claypool or Justin Hebert or Michael Pittman or Tee Higgins or Lavishka Shenault or......
.... and yes there were some landmines like Bryan Edwards or Anthony McFarland or AJ Dillon or Tua Tagolovia or Zach Mosss or....
But even some of those landmines still have hope and more importantly trade value. I'm not saying it's a good idea or trade Watson for a second round pick but let's not act it's like throwing him away.
Foosball God
Foos
Joe Burrow wasn't going in the second round of leagues I'm in. Point being that none of guys like Claypool or Pittman are going to move the needle the way a good young QB will. Maybe if I felt like he wasn't going to play again that would be one thing.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think generally we're talking about start 1QB leagues, of course start 2QB or SuperFlex leagues are different animals. Burrow was a second round pick in all 5 of my dynasty leagues last season - very few QBs are first round rookie picks in start 1QB leagues. I can only recall Andrew Luck, RGIII and Kyler Murray going in round one. I suspect Lawrence will go in round one in most leagues this season as well.
I'd take Claypool over Watson any day in a start 1QB league.
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Footballguy
I'd trade Watson for the 4, 11 and 16. Fairly easily right now. Figure that's Lance, Wilson, Jones or Harris plus two decent prospects. It's probably fair but I agree, keep the picks.
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Footballguy
Not really, but as I have the 1.02, I'm starting to think I'm not drafting najee.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
