Dynasty: who would you rather have? (1 Viewer)

[{Syrus}]

Both had tremendous careers in college. Both come from big-name schools. Both have a veteran, semi-young starter in front of them. Both play for teams that like to run the ball. Both have battled some injuries early in their NFL careers. So who do you want in a dynasty and why?

 

[mlball77]

They are different RBs for sure, but both are talented, imo. That said; I think Benson has the better opportunity to play and play a lot soon (this year or next). Plus, Perry seems much more injury prone to me. These factors tip things substantially in favor of Benson for me. Also worth mentioning though, in PPR leagues, Perry closes much of the gap.

 

[FTRWRTR]

You can't be serious. The bears used their first rounder to draft benson, rudi is a better rb than jones, perry is STILL hurting and has been unable to pratice, benson has looked impressive while running with the first team....in short no one in their right mind would take perry over benson

 

[Gandalf]

I'd rather have Benson. If not this year, then probably next he will be the starter in Chicago. And when he starts, I think he'll play well enough. On the flip side, who knows how long Rudi will be the #1 in Cincy? I could be another 5 years.

 

[metoo]

not even close, Benson. Perry can't stay healthy and he's only a backup. What would happen, if he was the starter? He would start out nice and in the second half of game one, take one hit. Shatter like glass(concussion,broken arm,leg ankle, torn acl) and someone would still post "When should I take Perry in the draft". "He had a good first half of game one." "Rudi is not that talented." blah blah blah

Disclaimer: OP this was not intended at you.

 

[Warpig]

I give the nod to Benson as well. Perry comes from a college that is known for producing studs on the college level but turn into busts at the NFL level.

 

[Armando]

Rather have Benson, but I'd definitely take both before quite a # of current NFL starting RB's for dynasty purposes.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Benson

And this should be a pole.

 

[wannabee]

Benson

And this should be a pole.

Agreed, and maybe in the ACF

 

[Tick]

Benson by a lot.

 

[{Syrus}]

Benson seems to be the consensus in these here parts, but you guys need to take a look again at what Chris Perry was able to do in some games last year. Seemed like every time he touched the ball he wasmaking plays, albeit in limited time during games. But Perry is an all-around back that can become a fantasy stud. I think Benson and Perry are pretty close in talent level, but I give the nod to Perry for playing on a better team and being a much better pass catcher. Both have had trouble staying healthy.

 

[Rockchild]

I like Benson's opportunity better at this point but Perry's intangables are very intriguing. A fact being overlooked somewhat is that Perry was coming off an injury that was wrongly diagnosed for a long time that wasn't allowing him to train fully. I don't think he was in top physical condition at any point last year and still produced in limited touches. Yes, he is coming off surgery this year but his conditioning should be a lot better this year and he should be more explosive.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm a fan of Chris Perry, but even I prefer Benson. Not by a lot, but enough to have made that offer a couple months ago. Got rejected.

 

[Longshot88]

is this really a post well in drafts i have been in so far this year...Benson is going in the 3rd round, perry in the 8th or later.......if the cost to get either is equall, I cant see anybody taking Perry over Benson....even if you dont agree ,FFB is about value..and Benson's Precived value is MUCH greater than perry's ..

 

[salmonstud]

I was fairly high on Perry until playing poker this past Winter with a current player for the Bengals. When I asked about Perry he said that Perry has a horrible attitude and work ethic and he doubted would ever take the job from Johnson outright and the only way Perry would see any significatn playing time was if Rudi went down with an injury. I traded Perry in a few of my dynasty leagues after that.

 

[{Syrus}]

I was fairly high on Perry until playing poker this past Winter with a current player for the Bengals.

Unless said person was named Marvin Lewis or Carson Palmer, I would have to say meh.

 

[offdee]

I was fairly high on Perry until playing poker this past Winter with a current player for the Bengals. When I asked about Perry he said that Perry has a horrible attitude and work ethic and he doubted would ever take the job from Johnson outright and the only way Perry would see any significatn playing time was if Rudi went down with an injury. I traded Perry in a few of my dynasty leagues after that.

You would've probably heard the same thing about Larry Johnson if you were playing poker with a Chiefs player about 3 years ago.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I was fairly high on Perry until playing poker this past Winter with a current player for the Bengals. When I asked about Perry he said that Perry has a horrible attitude and work ethic and he doubted would ever take the job from Johnson outright and the only way Perry would see any significatn playing time was if Rudi went down with an injury. I traded Perry in a few of my dynasty leagues after that.

You would've probably heard the same thing about Larry Johnson if you were playing poker with a Chiefs player about 3 years ago.

So what happened in KC?Did LJ change his attitude and work ethic and improve in the coaches eyes, or did he stay the same person and outright take the job?

 

[offdee]

So what happened in KC?

Did LJ change his attitude and work ethic and improve in the coaches eyes, or did he stay the same person and outright take the job?

LJ's attitude has always been and still is one that goes against the "team" grain. He's very standoffish and likes to keep to himself, and doesn't open up to many teammates. I'm sure many on the team still feel now that he has a bad attitude, but when he produces it now gets turned into a positive rather than a negative. "He plays angry", "He still has a chip on his shoulder"...we've all heard it.There was a point in time during and after LJ's rookie season where he just looked terrible....straight running into piles and looking lost on the field. Many, including people on these FBG boards, were calling him just another Penn St. RB bust and Vermeil was calling him out telling him to take his diapers off.

On 5/22/2004 (just 2 short years ago) in my Dynasty league this trade went down and nobody batted an eye....just goes to show you what LJ's worth was at that time.

RB- Travis Henry (Bills)

for

WR- Chris Chambers (Dolphins) + RB- Larry Johnson (Chiefs) + a 2nd round rookie pick.

Bottom line, Priest got hurt, LJ "got it" and took over. Perceived attitude and work ethic doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes to production....if you can produce you will play. Period.

 

[Spike]

You can't be serious. The bears used their first rounder to draft benson, rudi is a better rb than jones, perry is STILL hurting and has been unable to pratice, benson has looked impressive while running with the first team....in short no one in their right mind would take perry over benson

 

[Adam Sommer]

Simply put: Bensen. Here's why:

1. Perry has Rudi Johnson (who is very underrated IMO) to play with. Rudi will be the starter for the foreseeable future.

2. Bensen has no one (Thomas Jones is on the outs with coaches, plus he is on the trading block). As Da Bears spent a 1st rounder on Bensen, they will want to see him start.

3. Bensen will start NOW, this season. Perry is a 3rd down back at best (if healthy).

To play devils advocate though, it should be pointed out that the Bengals have perhaps the #1 O-Line in the NFL and a great offense with Palmer and the WR corps...that being said, Perry is one play away from fantasy gold.

 

[joffer]

Benson

And this should be a pole.

or better yet a poll

 

[Warpig]

So what happened in KC?

Did LJ change his attitude and work ethic and improve in the coaches eyes, or did he stay the same person and outright take the job?

Not to change the subject but I have to respond to this portion. Now, I'm not a Chiefs fan but I do live in KC. As far as LJ goes, he does seem standoffish but I won't hold that against him. The guy performs on the field and he is bitter because he feels like he has to constantly prove himself because of how he was treated when he was drafted. Vermeil didn't even want him and constantly belittled him. How would you feel if your headcoach wouldn't give you a shot because you weren't the player he wanted? Kinda like being the redheaded step child. I could care less if he isn't the kinda guy that hangs out with the rest of his team or takes on a leadership role...as long as he runs with authority and produces.The media has made him out to be a "bad boy" of sorts. And I feel this is unfair (though he seems to like being titled a bad boy). The guy is involved in charity work with kids and at their recent mini-camp he was the ONLY Chiefs player to stay 40 MINUTES after practice and walked around the entire stadium signing autographs! I think deep down he's a good guy, but he's also a guy that likes to keep to himself and doesn't care about the people that choose to stereotype him.

I think Herm saw what he did last year and is totally commited to giving LJ the rock. Hopefully LJ won't get too full of himself now that he has been proclaimed "the man" and he will still run with that chip on his shoulder.

 

[Buckna]

Benson simply due to the fact that he is likely to see the starting gig sooner than Perry. I'm not a fan of Chicago's offense though, the RB will likely see a lot of carries but the Bears aren't likely to be an offensive powerhouse anytime soon. Since '93, they have ranked in the bottom half of the league in offense 11 out of 13 seasons. In fact, they've been in the bottom 3rd in all 11 of those seasons.

I do find it humorous that everyone keeps mentioning that the Bears spent their 1st rounder on Benson. It seems everyone has forgotten that Perry was a 1st round pick by the Bengals as well.

 

[Rev]

I'm going to be the black sheep here and go with Perry. In light of the fact that you can nab Perry quite late in dynasty and redraft, I'd call him a relative steal. Benson will be a feast or famine type of player, in that he will either start or play behind Thomas Jones. If he starts, he will be a boom or a bust.

Perry on the other hand, has demonstrated that he can put up points even if Rudi remains the starter, being used in the slot or on 3rd downs. His big play ability means that he is a guy that they want on the field no matter what.

Certainly, Rudi is a roadblock for Perry, as is Perry's recent tendency to get hurt. On the other hand, I see Rudi as Benson's ceiling, while Perry has the physical talent to be an LT2 or Reggie Bush kind of weapon. I think we can expect big things from Perry if he can stay healthy, while Benson remains an unproven rookie with huge upside.

 

[aposulli]

Simply put: Bensen. Here's why:

1. Perry has Rudi Johnson (who is very underrated IMO) to play with. Rudi will be the starter for the foreseeable future.

2. Bensen has no one (Thomas Jones is on the outs with coaches, plus he is on the trading block). As Da Bears spent a 1st rounder on Bensen, they will want to see him start.

3. Bensen will start NOW, this season. Perry is a 3rd down back at best (if healthy).

To play devils advocate though, it should be pointed out that the Bengals have perhaps the #1 O-Line in the NFL and a great offense with Palmer and the WR corps...that being said, Perry is one Rudi injuryaway from fantasy gold.

Fixed.But seriously, I've heard a fwe ppl mention when Benson was drafted. Perry was also a 1st rdr. Though he wasn't quite the large investment as Benson.

All that said, Benson is the better pick in a dynasty.

Better Q is who is a better value based on their ADP?

And one thing to keep in mind....Benson's ADP is still rising I believe due to TJs situation.

 

[salmonstud]

I was fairly high on Perry until playing poker this past Winter with a current player for the Bengals. 

Unless said person was named Marvin Lewis or Carson Palmer, I would have to say meh.

Are you telling me that if someone asked you about one of your co-workers....that you wouldn't have a clue?...that only the boss would be able to determine if that person is a slacker or lacks desire? So what exactly does a QB have that players at other positions lack in determining a rb is going to be a stud one day? I wasn't playing poker with Carson Palmer...but I doubt he knows anymore than the player I got my info from. I put allot of stock in what a players says about their teammate...and not just the QB. Often it's hard to guage what a coach says because they often use statements as motivational tools...not as a true assessment.

 

[Adam Sommer]

that being said, Perry is one Rudi injuryaway from fantasy gold.

Fixed.

Thanks for clearing that comment up. That is what I meant. Some more points for Perry:

1. The Bengals have perhaps the best offense in the NFL; Da Bears have one of the worst. I would rather have a RB on the best than the worst offensive unit.

2. As the Bengals score a ton, they often play with leads, which means more running.

3. The opposite is true for Chicago, as they typically play close games or from behind, meaning more passing. Plus, with the offenses of Minnesota dn detroit (now with high scoring Martz), the Bears will be forced to pass more than in the past. All this leads to more opportunites for Bengals RBs and less for Chicago backs.

That being said, I would still take Bensen over Perry, simply because Rudi will be around for a long while to come, and Thomas Jones will not.

 

[aposulli]

I was fairly high on Perry until playing poker this past Winter with a current player for the Bengals. 

Unless said person was named Marvin Lewis or Carson Palmer, I would have to say meh.

Are you telling me that if someone asked you about one of your co-workers....that you wouldn't have a clue?...that only the boss would be able to determine if that person is a slacker or lacks desire? So what exactly does a QB have that players at other positions lack in determining a rb is going to be a stud one day? I wasn't playing poker with Carson Palmer...but I doubt he knows anymore than the player I got my info from. I put allot of stock in what a players says about their teammate...and not just the QB. Often it's hard to guage what a coach says because they often use statements as motivational tools...not as a true assessment.

But it's also a good point that LJ may have been considered a distaction by taemates not too long ago. I'd be bitter too if I was drafted in the 1st round, had starting RB talent and riding the pine.