[DYNASTY] WR Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Burning Sensation]

Good job EBF, i have a few minor issues, but one big one is Santana Moss. He has been terribly inconsistent, and i have no reason to be optomistic he ever will be. I have been trying to trade him in one dynasty league for alot of the WR's you have listed below him, i have even offered things in addition to him, and have had absolutely no interest. When is the last time a Moss owner has put him in their lineup with confidence? I havnt been able to do it in over two years.

 

[az_prof]

Reggie Brown finished about WR 34 (eta: and about WR 25 in 2006) ... what makes people think he should be in the mid-5os dynasty wise? I mean, dont get me wrong, he is not a top 20 dynasty WR ... but he is firmly in the mid 30s IMHO ...

Totally agree. He is also still pretty young and has not had major injury problems so far.

 

[Weiner Dog]

If you are moving Owens that far down this list, should'nt you do something similar with Holt?

Holt is two and a half years younger than Owens. And I think he'll have a smoother decline since his game is based less on pure physical dominance and more on route running and technique. I see him as a guy who could easily play 3-4 more years at a very high level. But in two years his value will be a lot lower, just like TO's is right now.

First, great job! I like the rankings.However, I have to agree it's difficult to downgrade a healthy 35 year-old WR and not do the same for a 32 year-old WR with a bad knee. I think most would agree that Owens possesses a special physical skill-set. Essentially, his body's clock does not scream "Mid-30's". There has been absolutely not loss of explosion, speed, open-field moves, route running, etc with Owens. The same cannot be said for Holt.

The problem with old players is they're the exception to the rule until they stop being the exception to the rule. And then they're pretty much worthless. I think most of the arguments that you can use to defend Owens are the same arguments you could've used to defend Harrison last season. We all know these guys have been superstars, but how long can they defy father time? There aren't many WRs who produce into their late 30's. Galloway is really the only guy in the league doing it right now. I know Owens is a workout warrior and I think it's possible that he'll have 1-2 stud years left, but he's not a guy I'd feel comfortable banking on at this point. Maybe I have Holt a little high. He's not an ideal option for a young dynasty team. However, he's still only 32 years old. I think his playing style will age well and I think he's one of the guys who could be productive until he's 35-37. More importantly, Torry Holt has had at least 80 receptions and 1,150 receiving yards for EIGHT YEARS straight. Sustained success in dynasty is all about having a core of reliable players. Torry Holt is Mr. Reliable.

Given their age and production, Harrison and TO have many similarities. However, TO is the guy who does sit-ups while he's being interviewed by reporters, while Harrison prides himself on consistently being a Top-2 WR despite a steady diet of Skittles and junk food. Either way, Jerry Rice is the robo-WR with diet and conditioning, and he was toast after age 40...and TO is only 5-6 years away from his 'Lordy-Lordy Looks Who's 40" birthday party.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

There is no way in hell I would trade Owens for Roddy White and Rice, let alone for each of them separately... which the rankings here suggest I would be clearly raping the other team if I did.

I suppose it depends on league format, but man, you guys are not discounting the future nearly enough. I need more of you guys in my league!

 

[JPeso]

Good job EBF, i have a few minor issues, but one big one is Santana Moss. He has been terribly inconsistent, and i have no reason to be optomistic he ever will be. I have been trying to trade him in one dynasty league for alot of the WR's you have listed below him, i have even offered things in addition to him, and have had absolutely no interest. When is the last time a Moss owner has put him in their lineup with confidence? I havnt been able to do it in over two years.

Moss is a hold right now. Look at his stats over the last 8 or so and he greatly improved on his numbers, which I attribute somewhat to Collins, and somewhat to Moss getting his legs underneath him. He played nicked the entire year. With Zorn in at OC, likely to let Campbell take more shots down field, I would hold on to him. He could easily finish as a top 20 WR, and you aren't likely to get anything in return for him near that.

 

[geoff8695]

There is no way in hell I would trade Owens for Roddy White and Rice, let alone for each of them separately... which the rankings here suggest I would be clearly raping the other team if I did.I suppose it depends on league format, but man, you guys are not discounting the future nearly enough. I need more of you guys in my league!

Love the "wish you guys were in MY league" bravado, but I suppose going into 2007 you could have made the same kind of statement about Marvin Harrison. For example, last year at this time would you have felt any differently about trading Harrison for Wes Welker and Brandon Marshall?

 

[FUBAR]

There is no way in hell I would trade Owens for Roddy White and Rice, let alone for each of them separately... which the rankings here suggest I would be clearly raping the other team if I did.I suppose it depends on league format, but man, you guys are not discounting the future nearly enough. I need more of you guys in my league!

Love the "wish you guys were in MY league" bravado, but I suppose going into 2007 you could have made the same kind of statement about Marvin Harrison. For example, last year at this time would you have felt any differently about trading Harrison for Wes Welker and Brandon Marshall?

Probably not, but you're obviously cherry picking. Considering Nate Washington, Matt Jones, Drew Carter, Devery Henderson, Jarrett, etc. were ranked around those 2, the odds when trading two younger lesser WRs for one stud are in favor of the team getting the stud.

 

[NorrisB]

these are fairly awful rankings, I usually agree and enjoy alot of your posts but man you cant be serious? I'll post mine to show you how far off they are.

 

[Burning Sensation]

these are fairly awful rankings, I usually agree and enjoy alot of your posts but man you cant be serious? I'll post mine to show you how far off they are.

I am intrigued by your confidence.

 

[madd futher]

Did i miss Vincent Jackson's name? He ranks somewhere between 35-45 IMO. What's the story there?

 

[Tick]

My rankings as a snapshot from about a month ago (they haven't changed much since then). I haven't done a good check over the whole list to make sure I'm not insane - I have to admit that I've lost track of a couple of WRs since they aren't on any of my teams and I never saw their teams this season (Coles/Cotchery, for example), and I need to do some research this offseason to catch up on them.

Wayne

Smith

Moss

Edwards

Johnson

Fitz

Chad Johnson

Roy Williams

Colston

Boldin

Calvin Johnson

Marshall

Holt

Burress

Housh

Evans

Holmes

Welker

Jennings

Walker

Bowe

Rice

Owens

Gonzalez

Roddy White

Harrison

SaMoss

Coles

Reggie Williams

Steve Smith NYG

Hackett

VJackson

Jacoby

CDavis

Cotchery

Chad Jackson

Branch

Chambers

Ward

Brown

Ginn

Jarrett

Driver

Meacham

Galloway

Hill

Sinorice

Demetrius

Berrian

Roydell

Jenkins

James Jones

Hagan

Porter

Mason

Stallworth

Mark Clayton

CHenry

Curry

Matt Jones

Crayton

Furrey

DJackson

Williamson

Allison

Curtis

DBennett

Brandon Jones

MWalker

Avant

Gage

Henderson

BMW

Burleson

Laurent

Higgins

Bradley

Hurd

Hall

Stovall

DCarter

Wilford

BSmith

Bruce

Toomer

Hilliard

BJohnson

Jurevicius

Stokley

Stanback

TWilson

Wade

Randle-El

Glenn

Kennison

Booker

Battle

MiClayton

 

[broncofan13000]

My rankings as a snapshot from about a month ago (they haven't changed much since then). I haven't done a good check over the whole list to make sure I'm not insane - I have to admit that I've lost track of a couple of WRs since they aren't on any of my teams and I never saw their teams this season (Coles/Cotchery, for example), and I need to do some research this offseason to catch up on them.WayneSmithMossEdwardsJohnsonFitzChad JohnsonRoy WilliamsColstonBoldinCalvin JohnsonMarshallHoltBurressHoushEvansHolmesWelkerJenningsWalkerBoweRiceOwensGonzalezRoddy WhiteHarrisonSaMossColesReggie WilliamsSteve Smith NYGHackettVJacksonJacobyCDavisCotcheryChad JacksonBranchChambersWardBrownGinnJarrettDriverMeachamGallowayHillSinoriceDemetriusBerrianRoydellJenkinsJames JonesHaganPorterMasonStallworthMark ClaytonCHenryCurryMatt JonesCraytonFurreyDJacksonWilliamsonAllisonCurtisDBennettBrandon JonesMWalkerAvantGageHendersonBMWBurlesonLaurentHigginsBradleyHurdHallStovallDCarterWilfordBSmithBruceToomerHilliardBJohnsonJureviciusStokleyStanbackTWilsonWadeRandle-ElGlennKennisonBookerBattleMiClayton

I know you said that you have to re-evaluate you're list etc. ; but i see no reason that Reggie Williams should be ahead of: Cotchery/Hackett/Ward/Berrian/Chambers (especially Cotchery and Hackett) ... You also seem high on Craig Davis; any reason as too why?

 

[EBF]

Good job EBF, i have a few minor issues, but one big one is Santana Moss. He has been terribly inconsistent, and i have no reason to be optomistic he ever will be. I have been trying to trade him in one dynasty league for alot of the WR's you have listed below him, i have even offered things in addition to him, and have had absolutely no interest. When is the last time a Moss owner has put him in their lineup with confidence? I havnt been able to do it in over two years.

I actually see him as a buy right now. Yea, the numbers haven't been there for two years, but the guy has a ton of talent and is still pretty young. Sometimes you have to ride out the tough times with a player in dynasty. I think Moss is similar to Terry Glenn and Joey Galloway when they were struggling. I expect him to remain productive.

 

[EBF]

Reggie Brown finished about WR 34 (eta: and about WR 25 in 2006) ... what makes people think he should be in the mid-5os dynasty wise? I mean, dont get me wrong, he is not a top 20 dynasty WR ... but he is firmly in the mid 30s IMHO ...

He's exactly the type of guy I avoid in dynasty leagues: just good enough to be relevant, never good enough to really help you.

 

[EBF]

There is no way in hell I would trade Owens for Roddy White and Rice, let alone for each of them separately... which the rankings here suggest I would be clearly raping the other team if I did.I suppose it depends on league format, but man, you guys are not discounting the future nearly enough. I need more of you guys in my league!

To each his own. I'd argue that TO has 2 good years left at best. Roddy White is 26 coming off a top 20 season. Sidney Rice is 21 with the potential to become a pre-injury Javon Walker type player. I can understand the argument for drafting TO before these guys since he is more likely to help you right out of the gates, but I think both White and Rice have more value.

 

[EBF]

Did i miss Vincent Jackson's name? He ranks somewhere between 35-45 IMO. What's the story there?

Sorry, I forgot him. 35-45 is about right. Similar in value to Curtis, Stallworth, and Curry IMO.

 

[EBF]

these are fairly awful rankings, I usually agree and enjoy alot of your posts but man you cant be serious? I'll post mine to show you how far off they are.

 

[EBF]

Re Holt, from a beat writer chat:

Ron: Why is it that Torry Holt's knee problems appear to be chronic and will affect him the rest of his career? As I recall his operation was pretty much suppossed to be a relatively minor procedure,i.e. no ACL tear, so what gives? Did arthritis set in or what? Thanks for this forum Jim.

Jim Thomas: A good question, Ron. The procedure was supposed to be pretty much standard. But turns out Holt has very little cartilage remaining in that knee. To my understanding it's pretty much bone on bone, which causes the discomfort. Holt even had some kind of lubricant injected into the knee to help his movement.

In short, the lack of cartilage in the knee is what caught up with DT D'Marco Farr and RB Marhsall Faulk. And it could catch up with Holt.

That's good to know. Not good news for Holt, but it's difficult to say how much something like this will really affect him. Could be a lot. Could be a little. We'll see.

 

[NorrisB]

You know Im sorry I said that it just kind of shocked me at first I think theyre pretty good rankings certainly original I just really dont agree with;

Too low list:

Steve Smith

Terrell Owens

Donald Driver

Deion Branch

DJ Hackett

Demetrius Williams

Too High

Ted Ginn

Roddy White

Santonio Holmes

 

[EBF]

You know Im sorry I said that it just kind of shocked me at first I think theyre pretty good rankings certainly original I just really dont agree with;Too low list:Steve SmithTerrell OwensDonald DriverDeion BranchDJ HackettDemetrius WilliamsToo HighTed GinnRoddy WhiteSantonio Holmes

Smith - All hype and no numbers. He has a whopping one elite season under his belt. I know he's had some injury issues and I know his supporting cast is bad, but why does he deserve such a pass for that? Plenty of receivers have put up monster numbers with weak passers under center. I don't think Steve Smith is a bad player. I just don't think he's as good as advertised. He's basically a more hyped up, slightly better version of Santana Moss. Owens - Too old. His value will only decrease from here on out. Driver - Same reasoning as Owens. Maybe you can take a chance on him if all you want is 1-2 more good years, but you can't expect much more than that. See: Eric Moulds, Muhsin Muhammad, Marvin Harrison, and Jimmy Smith. Branch - Never an impact player and now he has an ACL injury. He'll jump up the list if he comes back 100%, but it's hard to get excited about him right now. He's never had a 1,000 yard season in his career. Hackett - Talked about this one already.Demetrius - I think my ranking is fair. He has upside, but so do lots of other guys. He'll move up with a good showing in 2008.Ginn - Top 10 pick. Decent rookie year. Blazing speed. Chance to be the number one WR as soon as next season. Worth a shot where I have him ranked. White - 26 years old. First round pedigree. Coming off a 1,200+ yard season. What's not to like? Santonio Holmes - Nearly 1,000 receiving yards in basically 12 games. First round talent locked into a great situation with Roethlisberger under center. Should be a great option going forward.

 

[broncofan13000]

EBF are u working on a RB rankings?

 

[EBF]

EBF are u working on a RB rankings?

Yea.

 

[Weiner Dog]

You know Im sorry I said that it just kind of shocked me at first I think theyre pretty good rankings certainly original I just really dont agree with;Too low list:Steve SmithTerrell OwensDonald DriverDeion BranchDJ HackettDemetrius WilliamsToo HighTed GinnRoddy WhiteSantonio Holmes

Smith - All hype and no numbers. He has a whopping one elite season under his belt. I know he's had some injury issues and I know his supporting cast is bad, but why does he deserve such a pass for that? Plenty of receivers have put up monster numbers with weak passers under center. I don't think Steve Smith is a bad player. I just don't think he's as good as advertised. He's basically a more hyped up, slightly better version of Santana Moss.

I've honestly never taken a hard look at Smith's stats. I guess I've always filed him under "Top-5" and didn't much more digging. With that being said, I'm floored that you're correct...Smith has had only one dominating season ('05) in the NFL. His second best season EVER has been a 83-1166-8 (albeit in 14 games) back in '06.For comparative puposes, Chad Johnson's WORSE season over the past 1/2 decade was better than all but one of Smith's 7 seasons.

 

[EBF]

You know Im sorry I said that it just kind of shocked me at first I think theyre pretty good rankings certainly original I just really dont agree with;Too low list:Steve SmithTerrell OwensDonald DriverDeion BranchDJ HackettDemetrius WilliamsToo HighTed GinnRoddy WhiteSantonio Holmes

Smith - All hype and no numbers. He has a whopping one elite season under his belt. I know he's had some injury issues and I know his supporting cast is bad, but why does he deserve such a pass for that? Plenty of receivers have put up monster numbers with weak passers under center. I don't think Steve Smith is a bad player. I just don't think he's as good as advertised. He's basically a more hyped up, slightly better version of Santana Moss.

I've honestly never taken a hard look at Smith's stats. I guess I've always filed him under "Top-5" and didn't much more digging. With that being said, I'm floored that you're correct...Smith has had only one dominating season ('05) in the NFL. His second best season EVER has been a 83-1166-8 (albeit in 14 games) back in '06.For comparative puposes, Chad Johnson's WORSE season over the past 1/2 decade was better than all but one of Smith's 7 seasons.

Yep. In fairness to Smith, he was on pace for a very strong year in 2006 before injuries ended his season. But I still don't think he's as good as his hype would indicate. And you're right about Chad Johnson. He's money in the bank. Why the FF public suddenly turned on him this past season is beyond me, but I'd take him on my team any day.

 

[Weiner Dog]

You know Im sorry I said that it just kind of shocked me at first I think theyre pretty good rankings certainly original I just really dont agree with;Too low list:Steve SmithTerrell OwensDonald DriverDeion BranchDJ HackettDemetrius WilliamsToo HighTed GinnRoddy WhiteSantonio Holmes

Smith - All hype and no numbers. He has a whopping one elite season under his belt. I know he's had some injury issues and I know his supporting cast is bad, but why does he deserve such a pass for that? Plenty of receivers have put up monster numbers with weak passers under center. I don't think Steve Smith is a bad player. I just don't think he's as good as advertised. He's basically a more hyped up, slightly better version of Santana Moss.

I've honestly never taken a hard look at Smith's stats. I guess I've always filed him under "Top-5" and didn't much more digging. With that being said, I'm floored that you're correct...Smith has had only one dominating season ('05) in the NFL. His second best season EVER has been a 83-1166-8 (albeit in 14 games) back in '06.For comparative puposes, Chad Johnson's WORSE season over the past 1/2 decade was better than all but one of Smith's 7 seasons.

Yep. In fairness to Smith, he was on pace for a very strong year in 2006 before injuries ended his season. But I still don't think he's as good as his hype would indicate. And you're right about Chad Johnson. He's money in the bank. Why the FF public suddenly turned on him this past season is beyond me, but I'd take him on my team any day.

I would assume CJ's recent redzone inconsistenty is partly to blame for the cold shoulder in FF. He only scored TD's in 25% of his games over the past two seasons. This is damaging to a lot of people playing in TD-heavy, blah Yahoo leagues.

 

[EBF]

You know Im sorry I said that it just kind of shocked me at first I think theyre pretty good rankings certainly original I just really dont agree with;Too low list:Steve SmithTerrell OwensDonald DriverDeion BranchDJ HackettDemetrius WilliamsToo HighTed GinnRoddy WhiteSantonio Holmes

Smith - All hype and no numbers. He has a whopping one elite season under his belt. I know he's had some injury issues and I know his supporting cast is bad, but why does he deserve such a pass for that? Plenty of receivers have put up monster numbers with weak passers under center. I don't think Steve Smith is a bad player. I just don't think he's as good as advertised. He's basically a more hyped up, slightly better version of Santana Moss.

I've honestly never taken a hard look at Smith's stats. I guess I've always filed him under "Top-5" and didn't much more digging. With that being said, I'm floored that you're correct...Smith has had only one dominating season ('05) in the NFL. His second best season EVER has been a 83-1166-8 (albeit in 14 games) back in '06.For comparative puposes, Chad Johnson's WORSE season over the past 1/2 decade was better than all but one of Smith's 7 seasons.

Yep. In fairness to Smith, he was on pace for a very strong year in 2006 before injuries ended his season. But I still don't think he's as good as his hype would indicate. And you're right about Chad Johnson. He's money in the bank. Why the FF public suddenly turned on him this past season is beyond me, but I'd take him on my team any day.

I would assume CJ's recent redzone inconsistenty is partly to blame for the cold shoulder in FF. He only scored TD's in 25% of his games over the past two seasons. This is damaging to a lot of people playing in TD-heavy, blah Yahoo leagues.

The main problem is that he's been a bit streaky the past two years. But I'd chalk that up more to random fluctuations than anything else. The bottom line for me is that you know he's going to deliver 85 catches and 1,350 yards every season. How many receivers can you say that about?

 

[Tanner9919]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.

this Sidney Rice love going on with these dynasty WR posts, is laughable..Santonio Holmes at #11 might be a solid prediction, he'll also be entering his 3rd season...

If Favre comes back, Jennings will be a top 5 WR in 2008, he'll also be a 3rd-year WR..ranking him at 23, is a joke. The guy is a stud.

Calvin Johnson might be the next big WR, but he's constantly dealing with nagging injuries..he doesn't belong in the top 25 until he proves he can stay healthy...

Anthony Gonzalez should be a few notches higher, mostlly due to the fact that he plays in a pass-happy offense, one which might be without Marvin Harrison in 2008..

 

[FUBAR]

these are fairly awful rankings, I usually agree and enjoy alot of your posts but man you cant be serious? I'll post mine to show you how far off they are.

This from a guy who doesn't even include Braylon Edwards in his top 40?

 

[Donnybrook]

My rankings as a snapshot from about a month ago (they haven't changed much since then). I haven't done a good check over the whole list to make sure I'm not insane - I have to admit that I've lost track of a couple of WRs since they aren't on any of my teams and I never saw their teams this season (Coles/Cotchery, for example), and I need to do some research this offseason to catch up on them.

Dear Tick, Can you please post your current rankings?Thanks,Z58 opponents

 

[jonboltz]

A lot of people are citing Hackett as underrated, so maybe I'll have to look into moving him up. But he played in 13 games last season and had less receiving yards than Ginn, Robinson, and Jones. I don't know how well that bodes for him.

Hackett did not play in 13 weeks, I believe he only played in 6. Weeks 1, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 17 also weeks 1 and 12 were cut short.

ESPN lists him with 13 games played. I admittedly didn't follow his season very closely since I didn't have him on any of my teams, but I think it's safe to say he didn't have an impressive 2007. The things working in his favor are that he's still pretty young and there's immediate opportunity for someone to emerge in Seattle. Branch is injured and was never that great to begin with. Engram is getting long in the tooth. Hackett certainly has a chance to step up right away. He's not a terrible gamble. Like I said, there's not really a huge value gap between 35-55. Most of the guys in that range fall into the "maybe" category.

ESPN lists him at 6 games...I think you are looking at his 2005 stats and not 2007. LINKHe got injured very early in week 1. In his 5 full games, he went 31-377-3. He also went 8-116-1 in two playoff games.

 

[EBF]

A lot of people are citing Hackett as underrated, so maybe I'll have to look into moving him up. But he played in 13 games last season and had less receiving yards than Ginn, Robinson, and Jones. I don't know how well that bodes for him.

Hackett did not play in 13 weeks, I believe he only played in 6. Weeks 1, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 17 also weeks 1 and 12 were cut short.

ESPN lists him with 13 games played. I admittedly didn't follow his season very closely since I didn't have him on any of my teams, but I think it's safe to say he didn't have an impressive 2007. The things working in his favor are that he's still pretty young and there's immediate opportunity for someone to emerge in Seattle. Branch is injured and was never that great to begin with. Engram is getting long in the tooth. Hackett certainly has a chance to step up right away. He's not a terrible gamble. Like I said, there's not really a huge value gap between 35-55. Most of the guys in that range fall into the "maybe" category.

ESPN lists him at 6 games...I think you are looking at his 2005 stats and not 2007. LINKHe got injured very early in week 1. In his 5 full games, he went 31-377-3. He also went 8-116-1 in two playoff games.

Yep. My mistake. Hackett should probably be higher. Somewhere in the 28-35 range seems about right.

 

[jonboltz]

Reggie Brown finished about WR 34 (eta: and about WR 25 in 2006) ... what makes people think he should be in the mid-5os dynasty wise? I mean, dont get me wrong, he is not a top 20 dynasty WR ... but he is firmly in the mid 30s IMHO ...

He's exactly the type of guy I avoid in dynasty leagues: just good enough to be relevant, never good enough to really help you.

I think part of our disagreement must hinge on league size and how many starters you have. If your basing these rankings on a 10/12 team start 2 WR no flex league, then yes WR 35 doesn't matter a whole lot. However, in a lot of leagues WR35 is an every week starter, and I'd rather have Reggie Brown than Robert Meachem on my team. He is still only 27, will be entering his 4th year, and I don't think 950-6 is out of the question -- which makes him very relevant.

 

[EBF]

Reggie Brown finished about WR 34 (eta: and about WR 25 in 2006) ... what makes people think he should be in the mid-5os dynasty wise? I mean, dont get me wrong, he is not a top 20 dynasty WR ... but he is firmly in the mid 30s IMHO ...

He's exactly the type of guy I avoid in dynasty leagues: just good enough to be relevant, never good enough to really help you.

I think part of our disagreement must hinge on league size and how many starters you have. If your basing these rankings on a 10/12 team start 2 WR no flex league, then yes WR 35 doesn't matter a whole lot. However, in a lot of leagues WR35 is an every week starter, and I'd rather have Reggie Brown than Robert Meachem on my team. He is still only 27, will be entering his 4th year, and I don't think 950-6 is out of the question -- which makes him very relevant.

I think my point is that he'll never be a difference maker for you. You can start guys like Curry and Brown and be competitive, but I think it's better to really aim high and try to get 4-5 top 20 types. What seems to happen in most of my dynasty leagues is that 3-4 teams eventually accumulate all of the elite talent and then start crushing the rest of the league. When this starts to happen in your league, you're going to want a better starter than Reggie Brown IMO.

 

[Donnybrook]

I don't really understand the hate for Burleson. Not ranked by some.

He may not be flashy and he may not be a #1 but he has consistently put up good numbers.

Branch has an ACL, Hackett might be after big money, and the Seahawks are having trouble running the ball but Burleson doesn't deserve to be ranked.

 

[Crippler]

Reggie Brown finished about WR 34 (eta: and about WR 25 in 2006) ... what makes people think he should be in the mid-5os dynasty wise? I mean, dont get me wrong, he is not a top 20 dynasty WR ... but he is firmly in the mid 30s IMHO ...

He's exactly the type of guy I avoid in dynasty leagues: just good enough to be relevant, never good enough to really help you.

I think part of our disagreement must hinge on league size and how many starters you have. If your basing these rankings on a 10/12 team start 2 WR no flex league, then yes WR 35 doesn't matter a whole lot. However, in a lot of leagues WR35 is an every week starter, and I'd rather have Reggie Brown than Robert Meachem on my team. He is still only 27, will be entering his 4th year, and I don't think 950-6 is out of the question -- which makes him very relevant.

I think my point is that he'll never be a difference maker for you. You can start guys like Curry and Brown and be competitive, but I think it's better to really aim high and try to get 4-5 top 20 types. What seems to happen in most of my dynasty leagues is that 3-4 teams eventually accumulate all of the elite talent and then start crushing the rest of the league. When this starts to happen in your league, you're going to want a better starter than Reggie Brown IMO.

While I dont disagree with you but in the leagues I play in we start 60 plus WR's per week and I rather have Driver and come back and take a Jason Hiil later to develop than take Laurent Robinson and start Mike Furrey every week while Robinson develops. A good dynasty team has a mixture of vets to help now and some young talent to develop. Alot of the guys you have listed up high now could have been had in rounds 2 and 3 in drafts in the last couple of years. I remember getting Greg Jennings at the 18th pick and Brandon Marshall went later, 2 years ago and James Jones was my 32nd pick in another league this year and Jacoby Jones and Laurent Robinson went after him. Unless you have a really limited roster, you can pickup developmental guys to help you win after guys like TO and Donald Driver are done. The young guys on this list can drop pretty quickly. I like Micheal Clayton but he was a top 20 WR after his rookie campaign and would have killed the owner who drafted him high. A 20 team dynasty draft startup in May 2005. 1. Randy Moss2. Chad Johnson3. Torry Holt4. Andre Johnson5. Javon Walker6. Marvin Harrison7. Roy Williams8. Reggie Wayne9. Micheal Clayton10. Terrell Owens11. Nate Burleson12. Larry Fitzgerald13. Anquain Boldin14. Darrell Jackson15. Hines Ward16. Steve Smith17. Plaxico Burress18. Joe Horn19. Lee Evans20. Ashley Lelie21. Drew Bennett22. Lavernues Coles23. Chris Chambers24. Jerry Porter25. Donald Driver26. Mike Williams27. Troy Williamson28. Kerry Colbert29. Mushin Muhammad30. Charles Rogers31. Derrick Mason32. Dante Stallworth33. Mark Clayton34. Deion Branch35. Tyrone Calico36. Roddy White37. Matt Jones38. Santana Moss39. Brandon Lloyd40. TJ Housh41. Brandon Stokely42. Issac Bruce43. Eric Moulds44. Reggie Williams45. Jimmy Smith46. Eddie Kennison47. Keyshawn Johnson48. Rod Smith49. Sammie Parker50. Justin McCariens51. Andre Davis52. Antwan Randel-El53. Reggie Brown54. Micheal Jenkins55. Rahaun Woods56. David Givens57. David Boston58. Rod Gardner59. Amani Toomer60. Antonio BryantMore young guys drafted for the future Bryant Johnson, Darius Watts, Ronald Curry, Reche Caldwell, Vincent Jackson, Chris Henry, Freg Gibson, Mark Bradley, Jerome Mathis, Terrance Murphy, Justin Gage, Clarence Moore, Roscoe Parrish, Crap Thorpe, Robert Ferguson, Devery Henderson, Brandon Jones. and Bernard Berrian. A couple of older vets still drafted like Bobby Engram. Not many of these nice prospects worked out and would anyone who went really young after the top 40 end up in the championship game.

 

[fantasyplayer]

I'm surprised nobody has disagreed with Housh's ranking of #16, especially considering all of the love I've seen for him on these boards.

He's improved his scoring in each of the last 3 seasons and has finished #17, #12 and #9 in one of my leagues (non PPR). He's younger than several ranked ahead of him and about the same age as another. And there's the possibility that 85 could leave this offseason (which helps Housh IMO). I think he's solidly Top 10 in dynasty leagues.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

My rankings as a snapshot from about a month ago (they haven't changed much since then). I haven't done a good check over the whole list to make sure I'm not insane - I have to admit that I've lost track of a couple of WRs since they aren't on any of my teams and I never saw their teams this season (Coles/Cotchery, for example), and I need to do some research this offseason to catch up on them.WayneSmithMossEdwardsJohnsonFitzChad JohnsonRoy WilliamsColstonBoldinCalvin JohnsonMarshallHoltBurressHoushEvansHolmesWelkerJenningsWalkerBoweRiceOwensGonzalezRoddy WhiteHarrisonSaMossColesReggie WilliamsSteve Smith NYGHackettVJacksonJacobyCDavisCotcheryChad JacksonBranchChambersWardBrownGinnJarrettDriverMeachamGallowayHillSinoriceDemetriusBerrianRoydellJenkinsJames JonesHaganPorterMasonStallworthMark ClaytonCHenryCurryMatt JonesCraytonFurreyDJacksonWilliamsonAllisonCurtisDBennettBrandon JonesMWalkerAvantGageHendersonBMWBurlesonLaurentHigginsBradleyHurdHallStovallDCarterWilfordBSmithBruceToomerHilliardBJohnsonJureviciusStokleyStanbackTWilsonWadeRandle-ElGlennKennisonBookerBattleMiClayton

Cotchery and Chad Jackson side by side ?

 

[Mapmaker]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.

this Sidney Rice love going on with these dynasty WR posts, is laughable..Santonio Holmes at #11 might be a solid prediction, he'll also be entering his 3rd season...

If Favre comes back, Jennings will be a top 5 WR in 2008, he'll also be a 3rd-year WR..ranking him at 23, is a joke. The guy is a stud.

Calvin Johnson might be the next big WR, but he's constantly dealing with nagging injuries..he doesn't belong in the top 25 until he proves he can stay healthy...

Anthony Gonzalez should be a few notches higher, mostlly due to the fact that he plays in a pass-happy offense, one which might be without Marvin Harrison in 2008..

I have both Jennings & Brandon Marshall ahead of Calvin Johnson easily .... till I see the hype become something of a reality ... I'll go with the tried and true young guys ....

 

[Tick]

Cotchery and Chad Jackson side by side ?

I need to catch up a bit on Cotchery, I know. He might move around in my rankings.Chad Jackson is a guy I believe in. I know most have given him up for dead, but I could easily see him as Brady's WR2 next season.

 

[Tick]

I know you said that you have to re-evaluate you're list etc. ; but i see no reason that Reggie Williams should be ahead of: Cotchery/Hackett/Ward/Berrian/Chambers (especially Cotchery and Hackett) ... You also seem high on Craig Davis; any reason as too why?

I moved Craig Davis down - I think that ranking might not have been adjusted properly after the Chambers trade.I listen to Chicago sports talk every day - Berrian is not considered by Bears fans to be a legit WR1, and I agree. Who knows where he's playing next year, or what role he plays?Hackett is severely overrated on these boards IMO. I just don't see it.Ward I can see, but it depends on your team makeup.Chambers I'm not so sure about - he's been around too long to suddenly improve greatly. He's behind LT and Gates and equal to Jackson in his own offense. He'll have big games, but I'm not sure he'll get 60 catches.Cotchery is a guy I have to catch up on.I just like Reggie Williams. He's been showing improvement, their offense is on the upswing... I give him a better chance of starting for my dynasty teams than other people do.

 

[SSOG]

11. Santonio Holmes...15. Brandon Marshall

Good to see I'm not alone here. I like all the rankings a lot. A few quibbles here and there, but nothing structural, mostly just cosmetic changes.

I have both Jennings & Brandon Marshall ahead of Calvin Johnson easily .... till I see the hype become something of a reality ... I'll go with the tried and true young guys ....

Problem is, once you see the hype become a reality, it's too late. Once Calvin Johnson has a 1,000 yard season, he's going to be untouchable. If you want him, you've gotta grab him BEFORE he produces.

 

[kremenull]

Why Sidney Rice so high? 1) Horrible passing offense 2) Rice didn't really stand out this season 3) Looks like a #2 NFL WR

Guys like Cotchery, Welker, Hackett, and certainly Jennings should be rated several spots higher than Rice in dynasty. Rice isn't even in their tier........

 

[EBF]

Why Sidney Rice so high? 1) Horrible passing offense 2) Rice didn't really stand out this season 3) Looks like a #2 NFL WR

Rice's value rests mostly on the future. He's barely 21 years old and he flashed enough potential as a rookie to make you think he might eventually become an elite WR in the NFL. I disagree that he didn't stand out this season. He made several highlight reel grabs and generally had a good season for a rookie underclassman WR on a terrible passing team. I also don't know if I agree with your claim that he looks like a #2 NFL WR. I wish he had a little more speed and burst to run short routes, but he has big time jump ball skills and athletic ability. The fact that he plays on a horrible passing offense is almost irrelevant for dynasty purposes. Situations fluctuate in the NFL. So while the Vikings aren't a good passing team right now, they might be leading the league in passing yards in 2010. You generally can't bank on a player's situation in the long-term. What you can bank on is his talent.

Guys like Cotchery, Welker, Hackett, and certainly Jennings should be rated several spots higher than Rice in dynasty. Rice isn't even in their tier........

I'd argue that Rice has more raw talent than all of those guys with the possible exception of Jennings. Welker is a slot WR whose success is largely the result of an ideal situation and a huge number of targets. Cotchery is merely a good possession WR. Hackett has proven nothing. Rice is a home run pick where I have him ranked. The odds of him busting are higher than most of the WRs ranked 15-30, but he has more upside than most of those guys. He's a player who could conceivably be a perennial top 10 WR some day.

 

[kremenull]

Why Sidney Rice so high? 1) Horrible passing offense 2) Rice didn't really stand out this season 3) Looks like a #2 NFL WR

Rice's value rests mostly on the future. He's barely 21 years old and he flashed enough potential as a rookie to make you think he might eventually become an elite WR in the NFL. I disagree that he didn't stand out this season. He made several highlight reel grabs and generally had a good season for a rookie underclassman WR on a terrible passing team. I also don't know if I agree with your claim that he looks like a #2 NFL WR. I wish he had a little more speed and burst to run short routes, but he has big time jump ball skills and athletic ability. The fact that he plays on a horrible passing offense is almost irrelevant for dynasty purposes. Situations fluctuate in the NFL. So while the Vikings aren't a good passing team right now, they might be leading the league in passing yards in 2010. You generally can't bank on a player's situation in the long-term. What you can bank on is his talent.

Guys like Cotchery, Welker, Hackett, and certainly Jennings should be rated several spots higher than Rice in dynasty. Rice isn't even in their tier........

I'd argue that Rice has more raw talent than all of those guys with the possible exception of Jennings. Welker is a slot WR whose success is largely the result of an ideal situation and a huge number of targets. Cotchery is merely a good possession WR. Hackett has proven nothing. Rice is a home run pick where I have him ranked. The odds of him busting are higher than most of the WRs ranked 15-30, but he has more upside than most of those guys. He's a player who could conceivably be a perennial top 10 WR some day.

Honestly, I can't see who I'd compare Rice to who is a legitimate #1 WR......maybe a poor man's Braylon Edwards........but not quite the fearlessness nor the consistency in his routes, nor the RAC ability. Could one day become a solid #2, ala Alvin Harper, but just like Harper, this guy is miscast as a #1. Most of the guys looked at as #1s aren't real #1s. A true #1 strikes fear into defenses and demands double-teams on a routine basis. All I know is that strong possession guys who can catch 85-100 balls, score more fantasy points than pretending #1 WRs who catch 60-75 balls. It's tough being a #1 in the NFL, and not every team has one. See T.B. (sorry joey gall), S.D., Mia, Phi, Atl, Chi, Sea, S.F., Jax, Ten, Pit (nope, great #2s), Oak, Bal, Jets, Wash, and Min.......A guy like Bowe is more likely to become a true #1 than Rice, IMO, and I honestly like Rice.......just not nearly as high as you have him here

 

[EBF]

Why Sidney Rice so high? 1) Horrible passing offense 2) Rice didn't really stand out this season 3) Looks like a #2 NFL WR

Rice's value rests mostly on the future. He's barely 21 years old and he flashed enough potential as a rookie to make you think he might eventually become an elite WR in the NFL. I disagree that he didn't stand out this season. He made several highlight reel grabs and generally had a good season for a rookie underclassman WR on a terrible passing team. I also don't know if I agree with your claim that he looks like a #2 NFL WR. I wish he had a little more speed and burst to run short routes, but he has big time jump ball skills and athletic ability. The fact that he plays on a horrible passing offense is almost irrelevant for dynasty purposes. Situations fluctuate in the NFL. So while the Vikings aren't a good passing team right now, they might be leading the league in passing yards in 2010. You generally can't bank on a player's situation in the long-term. What you can bank on is his talent.

Guys like Cotchery, Welker, Hackett, and certainly Jennings should be rated several spots higher than Rice in dynasty. Rice isn't even in their tier........

I'd argue that Rice has more raw talent than all of those guys with the possible exception of Jennings. Welker is a slot WR whose success is largely the result of an ideal situation and a huge number of targets. Cotchery is merely a good possession WR. Hackett has proven nothing. Rice is a home run pick where I have him ranked. The odds of him busting are higher than most of the WRs ranked 15-30, but he has more upside than most of those guys. He's a player who could conceivably be a perennial top 10 WR some day.

Honestly, I can't see who I'd compare Rice to who is a legitimate #1 WR......maybe a poor man's Braylon Edwards........but not quite the fearlessness nor the consistency in his routes, nor the RAC ability. Could one day become a solid #2, ala Alvin Harper, but just like Harper, this guy is miscast as a #1. Most of the guys looked at as #1s aren't real #1s. A true #1 strikes fear into defenses and demands double-teams on a routine basis. All I know is that strong possession guys who can catch 85-100 balls, score more fantasy points than pretending #1 WRs who catch 60-75 balls. It's tough being a #1 in the NFL, and not every team has one. See T.B. (sorry joey gall), S.D., Mia, Phi, Atl, Chi, Sea, S.F., Jax, Ten, Pit (nope, great #2s), Oak, Bal, Jets, Wash, and Min.......A guy like Bowe is more likely to become a true #1 than Rice, IMO, and I honestly like Rice.......just not nearly as high as you have him here

He has a ways to go, but I think he has some things in common with Javon Walker and Plaxico Burress. He's also similar to Randy Moss without the elite speed.

 

[kremenull]

He has a ways to go, but I think he has some things in common with Javon Walker and Plaxico Burress. He's also similar to Randy Moss without the elite speed.

Well, Moss is on another level than Rice, or any of these young prospects......17 TDs rookie season closes the door on anybody being compared to Moss......Plax has shown that just his mere physicalness has elevated him to an elite level....abusing a very tough, physical, Al Harris in a primetime game has cemented his status....Rice is not even close to that type of physical play, and I don't think it'll ever be in his game......Walker had one very good year, been waiting for the follow-up ever since......Anyway, I like most of your rankings, and you appear to have a homerun style, which is not bad for dynasty, but from the WR perspective, unless you're an elite prospect entering the league ala Braylon, Fitz, and Calvin, I just don't see sure-fire elite status in any of these young WRs.....they will have to earn it, work hard for it as did Steve Smith, Driver, and T.J., and now guys like Jennings and Marshall.........but the rest will have to show and prove

 

[LILB811]

He has a ways to go, but I think he has some things in common with Javon Walker and Plaxico Burress. He's also similar to Randy Moss without the elite speed.

Well, Moss is on another level than Rice, or any of these young prospects......17 TDs rookie season closes the door on anybody being compared to Moss......Plax has shown that just his mere physicalness has elevated him to an elite level....abusing a very tough, physical, Al Harris in a primetime game has cemented his status....Rice is not even close to that type of physical play, and I don't think it'll ever be in his game......Walker had one very good year, been waiting for the follow-up ever since......Anyway, I like most of your rankings, and you appear to have a homerun style, which is not bad for dynasty, but from the WR perspective, unless you're an elite prospect entering the league ala Braylon, Fitz, and Calvin, I just don't see sure-fire elite status in any of these young WRs.....they will have to earn it, work hard for it as did Steve Smith, Driver, and T.J., and now guys like Jennings and Marshall.........but the rest will have to show and prove

I think what also needs to be noted that this past season with the Vikings was only his 3rd season of football since HIGH SCHOOL. Had he stayed at South Carolina an extra year, maybe we’re talking about him at the top of this draft like Braylon, Fitz, or Calvin. The guy has undeniable talent (shown by some of his ridiculous catches), and his size is a huge plus. If the Vikings decide to lean on him as their #1 (like the Broncos with Marshall), he could definitely flourish.His route running could use some work, and like you mention he is not close to the physical type of play that Plax currently has. I think these things can most definitely grow with age and experience, as he is only 21. He catches just about everything within his reach. For dynasty purposes, I’d have a hard time ranking too many, if any, of the guys below him higher than Rice. I think that taking the chance on Rice will be well worth it for whoever decides to do it.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Jennings - Maybe he deserves to be about 4-5 spots higher, but that would be the most I could justify bumping him up. Most of the guys ahead of him have already had at least one big season (Moss, Evans, Roddy, Marshall). Until Jennings has that true breakout 1,200+ year, I can't justify ranking him much higher. I realize there isn't much difference between him and Holmes on paper. I guess I'm just a little bit higher on Holmes' talent.

Wha? How was this year not a breakout year? The guy went for 920/11 in only 13 games. Over 16 games that's 1150/14, which is better than anything most of the people ahead of him have done at any point in their careers.

 

[EBF]

Jennings - Maybe he deserves to be about 4-5 spots higher, but that would be the most I could justify bumping him up. Most of the guys ahead of him have already had at least one big season (Moss, Evans, Roddy, Marshall). Until Jennings has that true breakout 1,200+ year, I can't justify ranking him much higher. I realize there isn't much difference between him and Holmes on paper. I guess I'm just a little bit higher on Holmes' talent.

Wha? How was this year not a breakout year? The guy went for 920/11 in only 13 games. Over 16 games that's 1150/14, which is better than anything most of the people ahead of him have done at any point in their careers.

I probably have him a bit too low. I guess I'm just not quite sold on his talent yet. My concern here is that he might just be a slightly above average WR whose success is mostly the result of the system he plays in. I'm worried about what will happen when Favre and Driver move on.

 

[FUBAR]

Jennings - Maybe he deserves to be about 4-5 spots higher, but that would be the most I could justify bumping him up. Most of the guys ahead of him have already had at least one big season (Moss, Evans, Roddy, Marshall). Until Jennings has that true breakout 1,200+ year, I can't justify ranking him much higher. I realize there isn't much difference between him and Holmes on paper. I guess I'm just a little bit higher on Holmes' talent.

Wha? How was this year not a breakout year? The guy went for 920/11 in only 13 games. Over 16 games that's 1150/14, which is better than anything most of the people ahead of him have done at any point in their careers.

I probably have him a bit too low. I guess I'm just not quite sold on his talent yet. My concern here is that he might just be a slightly above average WR whose success is mostly the result of the system he plays in. I'm worried about what will happen when Favre and Driver move on.

this is where reasonable minds can differ. Just from system and future QB perspective, I wouldn't rank Rice, White, or Bowe above him. If you don't think he's as talented as those 3, while I disagree, it's a reasonable opinion. IMO those 4 can go in any order, right around each other.