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I personally think we need to ban e-bikes. Okay, regulate e-bikes. If you drove in Southern California with the skate or die culture, you'd know about fourteen and fifteen year-olds piling on the back of these. One double-seated kid I was following completely jumped off his bike like a cat on those cat cards and went face first into a bunch full of hedges. On purpose.

Funny? Yes. Dangerous. Even more hell yes. The worst were the kids that came flying up behind me while I was doing about thirty in a traffic jam just whizzing on by without a helmet. That made me realize they had to be clipping 35 or 40. That's a serious vehicle at that point.

I don't care if I sound old. You sometimes can't get your child back after a head injury. My brother has two or three severely altered friends who have either passed or are permanently messed up.

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and what's wrong with pedaling?
 
Small college town in Upper Michigan. VERY bike friendly community with a thriving bike culture. Everywhere has a bike lane or path, so for a lot of people biking is primary transportation.

I would imagine that you all are pretty ahead of the game given this situation and attitude. That's great.

My cry thingy at the end was for the neurosurgeon's PA that sees these things. That's terrible.
Yeah, being a smallish town helps control the situation a bit better I'm sure.

It's scary what happens when a head hits pavement at even low speeds, but these kids are ripping along at 30mph a lot of the time without helmets. Hemet tech has come a long way and they're so light it's barely noticeable. Doesn't make much sense not to wear one.
kinda on topic, we have a kid who played hockey with my son, amazing player, kid could score from anywhere. Played very high level ice and deck hockey, traveled all over the country on tournaments, etc. He was riding regular bikes with friends and a guy-I guess he didn't see them-turned into a parking lot and hit them. This kid wasn't wearing a helmet and the only thing that saved him was one of his friends literally holding his skull in place long enough for EMTS to get there. Kid was in a coma for months and still has a huge road ahead of him. Forget ever playing hockey again.

My wife's cousin was killed crossing the street on his bike when they were kids. She hates bikes and will do anything to keep our kids off of them.
 
They've really begun to crack down here for exactly this kind of thing. Class 2 ebikes (the kind with a throttle aswell as pedals) have been banned from all the bike paths and they do ticket often.

Out of curiosity, where is “here” for you? It doesn’t seem to be even a remote priority around where I am, although it’s possibly different one town over for all I know.

And the trauma team is getting called to see them later in the ER

That’s what I’m worried about, for both the kids and then the parties ultimately responsible for their well-being. It’s not wise and we will adjust too late, in my estimation.
I mentioned up thread that a lot of the e-bikes I was looking at on Amazon couldn't be delivered to my area. I assume there is a crack down on them here as well.
 
and what's wrong with pedaling?
It takes energy

Electric scooters are my new bug. We will do almost anything to 1. not expend energy to do something 2. get absolutely as quickly as possible

Saw this last night on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Charlotte/comments/1lpl2ng/scooter_on_77_tonight/
Hate these. Particularly the clowns that run people down on sidewalks on them.
Yup, none of those e-vehicles should be on sidewalks. Nor should regular bikes, for that matter.

You’re either a pedestrian, or not.

The problem is, we don’t have multiple dedicated lanes to accommodate the variety of transportation choices. I’d be happy to ax some of the car lanes to do so, kinda like the Netherlands did for bicycles years ago.
 
Small college town in Upper Michigan. VERY bike friendly community with a thriving bike culture. Everywhere has a bike lane or path, so for a lot of people biking is primary transportation.

I would imagine that you all are pretty ahead of the game given this situation and attitude. That's great.

My cry thingy at the end was for the neurosurgeon's PA that sees these things. That's terrible.
Yeah, being a smallish town helps control the situation a bit better I'm sure.

It's scary what happens when a head hits pavement at even low speeds, but these kids are ripping along at 30mph a lot of the time without helmets. Hemet tech has come a long way and they're so light it's barely noticeable. Doesn't make much sense not to wear one.
kinda on topic, we have a kid who played hockey with my son, amazing player, kid could score from anywhere. Played very high level ice and deck hockey, traveled all over the country on tournaments, etc. He was riding regular bikes with friends and a guy-I guess he didn't see them-turned into a parking lot and hit them. This kid wasn't wearing a helmet and the only thing that saved him was one of his friends literally holding his skull in place long enough for EMTS to get there. Kid was in a coma for months and still has a huge road ahead of him. Forget ever playing hockey again.

My wife's cousin was killed crossing the street on his bike when they were kids. She hates bikes and will do anything to keep our kids off of them.
Left turns in front of cyclists are the most common cause of accidents, IIRC. Motorists have a hard time judging a biker’s speed, and overestimate their braking ability.

I was hit by a car taking an illegal right turn. Clipped their right rear quarter panel. Fortunately, I wasn’t hurt, and my bike still was operational.

I cursed the motorist as they sped away, surely aware of the *thud* when they hit me. Meanwhile, a bystander across the street was babbling some letters and numbers. I was so livid, I couldn’t process what they said.

As I rode away, I realized their intent: provide the license plate for the hit-and-run driver. Wish I had remained calm, as I definitely would’ve called the police.
 
I personally think we need to ban e-bikes. Okay, regulate e-bikes. If you drove in Southern California with the skate or die culture, you'd know about fourteen and fifteen year-olds piling on the back of these. One double-seated kid I was following completely jumped off his bike like a cat on those cat cards and went face first into a bunch full of hedges. On purpose.

Funny? Yes. Dangerous. Even more hell yes. The worst were the kids that came flying up behind me while I was doing about thirty in a traffic jam just whizzing on by without a helmet. That made me realize they had to be clipping 35 or 40. That's a serious vehicle at that point.

I don't care if I sound old. You sometimes can't get your child back after a head injury. My brother has two or three severely altered friends who have either passed or are permanently messed up.

:(
They've really begun to crack down here for exactly this kind of thing. Class 2 ebikes (the kind with a throttle aswell as pedals) have been banned from all the bike paths and they do ticket often. It was necessary since kids on these were becoming a danger, but it's a real bummer since a ton of elderly people use these same bikes on the same paths and now their bikes are illegal. It's hard to have nice things sometimes.
Here in troll land, the rules on trails are really poorly defined - basically every trail is different and none of them have signs. If you see someone on any class of e-bike, you have no idea whether they're breaking the rules or not since we all ride 10 trails and can't find the rules for any of them.
 
and what's wrong with pedaling?
It takes energy

Electric scooters are my new bug. We will do almost anything to 1. not expend energy to do something 2. get absolutely as quickly as possible

Saw this last night on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Charlotte/comments/1lpl2ng/scooter_on_77_tonight/
Hate these. Particularly the clowns that run people down on sidewalks on them.
Yup, none of those e-vehicles should be on sidewalks. Nor should regular bikes, for that matter.

You’re either a pedestrian, or not.

The problem is, we don’t have multiple dedicated lanes to accommodate the variety of transportation choices. I’d be happy to ax some of the car lanes to do so, kinda like the Netherlands did for bicycles years ago.

It's a shame bikes are often viewed as a nuisance here by drivers. I would ride more often if Houston wasn't so damn bike unfriendly. Definitely miss living in Copenhagen where bikes ruled the land.
 
My biggest issue is my Asthma, I don't want to trigger it on a hot, humid August ride.

As for the time, I would prefer it take 20 or more minutes. It's 7 min for me by car door to door, but I wouldn't mind slowing down, enjoying the nature and the outside air before an 8 hour shift inside all day.
I'd be more concerned about showing up at work a complete, sweaty mess. Which I would. I can see the e-bike being a blessing there on the way to not have to shower again before work. On the way home drill it and get exercise in.
 
I gotta check the brand I have, but I got one last March for my BD. They are all requird to have governors at 30 km/h. I typically ride my bike to work in summers thru the forest (~16km at 25km/hr). I think we paid close to 3k for the bike. Comes with yearly tune ups for the first five years. I can over ridw the governor by simply turning the motor off. Motor only runs if you are pedaling.
 
I personally think we need to ban e-bikes. Okay, regulate e-bikes. If you drove in Southern California with the skate or die culture, you'd know about fourteen and fifteen year-olds piling on the back of these. One double-seated kid I was following completely jumped off his bike like a cat on those cat cards and went face first into a bunch full of hedges. On purpose.

Funny? Yes. Dangerous. Even more hell yes. The worst were the kids that came flying up behind me while I was doing about thirty in a traffic jam just whizzing on by without a helmet. That made me realize they had to be clipping 35 or 40. That's a serious vehicle at that point.

I don't care if I sound old. You sometimes can't get your child back after a head injury. My brother has two or three severely altered friends who have either passed or are permanently messed up.

:(
They've really begun to crack down here for exactly this kind of thing. Class 2 ebikes (the kind with a throttle aswell as pedals) have been banned from all the bike paths and they do ticket often. It was necessary since kids on these were becoming a danger, but it's a real bummer since a ton of elderly people use these same bikes on the same paths and now their bikes are illegal. It's hard to have nice things sometimes.
Here in troll land, the rules on trails are really poorly defined - basically every trail is different and none of them have signs. If you see someone on any class of e-bike, you have no idea whether they're breaking the rules or not since we all ride 10 trails and can't find the rules for any of them.

We’re finding similar difficulties here (I’m on the board of a local mountain biking club, as well as local parks and recreation department). Each trail is different because of the type of trail it is (simple flat connector trail, or very technical mountain bike only trail - paved, gravel, dirt, mixed - possibly shared by equestrians or hikers, or even mothers with strollers). Moreover, each e-bike is potentially different. Some are really just a high speed scooter with pedals (like the type my parents got to have a joy ride on local paved walking trails), others (like the one I got for my wife) are just “pedal assist” to give you a few extra watts to get up hills on trails. My local bike shop primarily carries Trek bikes - and they (along with brands they own) now have like 25 different models of “e-bike” - from townie, to beach cruiser, to road bike, to full out full suspension downhill mountain bike. You can’t have one set of rules for all (moreover you could be walking a fine line with ADA rules).
 
My biggest issue is my Asthma, I don't want to trigger it on a hot, humid August ride.

As for the time, I would prefer it take 20 or more minutes. It's 7 min for me by car door to door, but I wouldn't mind slowing down, enjoying the nature and the outside air before an 8 hour shift inside all day.
I'd be more concerned about showing up at work a complete, sweaty mess. Which I would. I can see the e-bike being a blessing there on the way to not have to shower again before work. On the way home drill it and get exercise in.
I’ve been fortunate, in that workplace showers have always been available.

But the OPs desired leisurely pace wouldn’t create a sweaty mess most of the year anyway. I say this, having experienced a cycling commute in a tropical environment.
 
I personally think we need to ban e-bikes. Okay, regulate e-bikes. If you drove in Southern California with the skate or die culture, you'd know about fourteen and fifteen year-olds piling on the back of these. One double-seated kid I was following completely jumped off his bike like a cat on those cat cards and went face first into a bunch full of hedges. On purpose.

Funny? Yes. Dangerous. Even more hell yes. The worst were the kids that came flying up behind me while I was doing about thirty in a traffic jam just whizzing on by without a helmet. That made me realize they had to be clipping 35 or 40. That's a serious vehicle at that point.

I don't care if I sound old. You sometimes can't get your child back after a head injury. My brother has two or three severely altered friends who have either passed or are permanently messed up.

:(
They've really begun to crack down here for exactly this kind of thing. Class 2 ebikes (the kind with a throttle aswell as pedals) have been banned from all the bike paths and they do ticket often. It was necessary since kids on these were becoming a danger, but it's a real bummer since a ton of elderly people use these same bikes on the same paths and now their bikes are illegal. It's hard to have nice things sometimes.
Here in troll land, the rules on trails are really poorly defined - basically every trail is different and none of them have signs. If you see someone on any class of e-bike, you have no idea whether they're breaking the rules or not since we all ride 10 trails and can't find the rules for any of them.

We’re finding similar difficulties here (I’m on the board of a local mountain biking club, as well as local parks and recreation department). Each trail is different because of the type of trail it is (simple flat connector trail, or very technical mountain bike only trail - paved, gravel, dirt, mixed - possibly shared by equestrians or hikers, or even mothers with strollers). Moreover, each e-bike is potentially different. Some are really just a high speed scooter with pedals (like the type my parents got to have a joy ride on local paved walking trails), others (like the one I got for my wife) are just “pedal assist” to give you a few extra watts to get up hills on trails. My local bike shop primarily carries Trek bikes - and they (along with brands they own) now have like 25 different models of “e-bike” - from townie, to beach cruiser, to road bike, to full out full suspension downhill mountain bike. You can’t have one set of rules for all (moreover you could be walking a fine line with ADA rules).
I think the bigger issue here is about land ownership - trails are on such a bizarre mix of private owners, township/county/state/national land... every owner has a different insurance setup and set of requirements.
 
I personally think we need to ban e-bikes. Okay, regulate e-bikes. If you drove in Southern California with the skate or die culture, you'd know about fourteen and fifteen year-olds piling on the back of these. One double-seated kid I was following completely jumped off his bike like a cat on those cat cards and went face first into a bunch full of hedges. On purpose.

Funny? Yes. Dangerous. Even more hell yes. The worst were the kids that came flying up behind me while I was doing about thirty in a traffic jam just whizzing on by without a helmet. That made me realize they had to be clipping 35 or 40. That's a serious vehicle at that point.

I don't care if I sound old. You sometimes can't get your child back after a head injury. My brother has two or three severely altered friends who have either passed or are permanently messed up.

:(
They've really begun to crack down here for exactly this kind of thing. Class 2 ebikes (the kind with a throttle aswell as pedals) have been banned from all the bike paths and they do ticket often. It was necessary since kids on these were becoming a danger, but it's a real bummer since a ton of elderly people use these same bikes on the same paths and now their bikes are illegal. It's hard to have nice things sometimes.
Here in troll land, the rules on trails are really poorly defined - basically every trail is different and none of them have signs. If you see someone on any class of e-bike, you have no idea whether they're breaking the rules or not since we all ride 10 trails and can't find the rules for any of them.

We’re finding similar difficulties here (I’m on the board of a local mountain biking club, as well as local parks and recreation department). Each trail is different because of the type of trail it is (simple flat connector trail, or very technical mountain bike only trail - paved, gravel, dirt, mixed - possibly shared by equestrians or hikers, or even mothers with strollers). Moreover, each e-bike is potentially different. Some are really just a high speed scooter with pedals (like the type my parents got to have a joy ride on local paved walking trails), others (like the one I got for my wife) are just “pedal assist” to give you a few extra watts to get up hills on trails. My local bike shop primarily carries Trek bikes - and they (along with brands they own) now have like 25 different models of “e-bike” - from townie, to beach cruiser, to road bike, to full out full suspension downhill mountain bike. You can’t have one set of rules for all (moreover you could be walking a fine line with ADA rules).
I think the bigger issue here is about land ownership - trails are on such a bizarre mix of private owners, township/county/state/national land... every owner has a different insurance setup and set of requirements.

Yes, that’s also a challenge. Our local trail system is on private land while obviously parks and rec is either county or state land.
 
My biggest issue is my Asthma, I don't want to trigger it on a hot, humid August ride.

As for the time, I would prefer it take 20 or more minutes. It's 7 min for me by car door to door, but I wouldn't mind slowing down, enjoying the nature and the outside air before an 8 hour shift inside all day.
I'd be more concerned about showing up at work a complete, sweaty mess. Which I would. I can see the e-bike being a blessing there on the way to not have to shower again before work. On the way home drill it and get exercise in.
I’ve been fortunate, in that workplace showers have always been available.

But the OPs desired leisurely pace wouldn’t create a sweaty mess most of the year anyway. I say this, having experienced a cycling commute in a tropical environment.

Especially on an e-bike. It's only a 5-10 minute commute so that shouldn't be an issue imo.
 

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