Earnest Graham's Trade Value (1 Viewer)

[davearm]

Graham is one of those guys you will never ever get fair value for. With Dunn in the mix, and Caddy's return looming nobody wants to take the chance. Even if Caddy is put on IR, there is always the question he may return. Not to mention, Graham was a nobody last year. If he would have been an early draft pick people would probably be singing a different tune. The fact is that a guy like EG will ALWAYS have to prove himself.

Your best bet is to either keep him, or package him. But, nobody is going to see EG's value the way an EG owner does. I own him in a league, but would shy away for trading for him.

Not to mention, he is in a dreaded RBBC.

Depends entirely on your definition of fair value. Like you said yourself, nobody is going to see EG's value the way an EG owner does.Perhaps the EG owners are wrong, and everyone else is right, and fair value is what all these EG owners are feeling insulted by.

Take away the Dunn-less 2007, and this guy starts looking a lot like LeRon McClain.

He's the # 12 RB despite splitting time with Dunn and basically getting no carries last game. Safe to say he is worth a lot more to the team starting him than the pittance most other owners are willing to offer in trade as evidenced by this thread.

Saying Graham is the #12 RB obscures the fact that he's played more games than roughly half the RBs. On a ppg basis, he's #21 and McClain's #22 (despite splitting time with McGahee and basically getting no carries last game). I think the Graham-McClain comparison is just about perfect.The bottom line is that outside of MJD, the market for RBs that get less than 50% of their team's carries is pretty soft. Just way too much exposure to the sort of goosegg game both guys just had last Sunday.

The mistake about the "goose egg" game has been covered, so I wanted to jump into your first statement.The number of games Graham has played vs. other runners is irrelevant. Graham is #22 in the league in carries, yet is fantasy #12 in points. He's not a threat to regularly catch the ball, so the fact is ( from that simple metric ) that he is simply outplaying at least 10 other RBs.

Now, I'm not saying someone should expect to get Marshawn Lynch straight up for Graham or anything, but your post is a fairly clear example of why Graham owners can't get decent value for him from non-owners. He's like a poor man's Clinton Portis in FF terms. Owners think he's great, but the trade value for him just isn't there. As a result, the general consensus in here is probably a good one. Graham is a good buy, but not a good sell.

As well, that comparison to McClain is just silly. Graham may not have the best side to side movement in the NFL, but he at least has **some** ability in that area, which La'Ron really doesn't.

Of course the number of games Graham has played vs. other runners is relevant, especially in the middle of the year when bye weeks have hit some guys but not others. That's why PPG is the number to look at. Rate stats > counting stats.That side to side movement business is what's irrelevant. In fantasy football, it's not how, it's how many. And in the how many column, Graham ~= McClain (on a per-game basis).

Is Graham worth more thanAddai

Grant

Jamal

McGahee

Stewart

Kevin Smith

McFadden?

Because he's outscoring all of them on a PPG basis and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

The same can be said for McClain.

 

[jaybebo]

I made the following trade last year in Zealots which included Graham:

I sent:

Graham, Earnest TBB RB

Grant, Ryan GBP RB

Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE

Crowder, Tim DEN DE

Year 2008 Round 5 Draft Pick from Indianapolis Colts

I received:

Benson, Cedric CHI RB - traded for Year 2009 4th round pick/Chris Brown/Darius Walker/Chris Taylor (Ricky Willliams was included in the trade)

Foster, De'shaun CAR RB - traded for Charles Grant/Year 2008 5th round pick

Peterson, Adrian CHI RB - Still on my roster

Wolfe, Garrett CHI RB - Still on my roster

Williams, Demetrius BAL WR - traded in a 7 player/one pick that netted me Jamal Lewis

Scaife, Bo TEN TE - Still on my roster

Suggs, Terrell BAL DE - Still on my roster

Year 2008 Round 2 Draft Pick from Buffalo Bills - Netted DeShaun Jackson PHI WR

Year 2008 Round 3 Draft Pick from Buffalo Bills - Netted Kenny Phillips NYG S

 

[phowler13]

This thread got me looking into getting Graham on the cheap. In a standard ppr he is rb 19 in ppg (14 pts/game), yet ranked rb 13 at this point. I offered up in a start 2 qb, 6 pts all tds, 2 rb, 3 wr league Griese, M. Moore and Ocho for Graham and Walter. It was accepted a bit too soon for my liking yet I like the deal as Griese and Moore hold little value to me unless Parker and Garcia get/stay hurt. Thoughts from Graham/non-Graham owners??

 

[davearm]

I made the following trade last year in Zealots which included Graham:I sent:Graham, Earnest TBB RBGrant, Ryan GBP RBGonzalez, Tony KCC TECrowder, Tim DEN DEYear 2008 Round 5 Draft Pick from Indianapolis ColtsI received:Benson, Cedric CHI RB - traded for Year 2009 4th round pick/Chris Brown/Darius Walker/Chris Taylor (Ricky Willliams was included in the trade)Foster, De'shaun CAR RB - traded for Charles Grant/Year 2008 5th round pickPeterson, Adrian CHI RB - Still on my rosterWolfe, Garrett CHI RB - Still on my rosterWilliams, Demetrius BAL WR - traded in a 7 player/one pick that netted me Jamal LewisScaife, Bo TEN TE - Still on my rosterSuggs, Terrell BAL DE - Still on my roster Year 2008 Round 2 Draft Pick from Buffalo Bills - Netted DeShaun Jackson PHI WRYear 2008 Round 3 Draft Pick from Buffalo Bills - Netted Kenny Phillips NYG S

So what we've got here is a year-old deal involving 78 players and 31 draft picks.

 

[GoldenBear]

I made the following trade last year in Zealots which included Graham:I sent:Graham, Earnest TBB RBGrant, Ryan GBP RBGonzalez, Tony KCC TECrowder, Tim DEN DEYear 2008 Round 5 Draft Pick from Indianapolis ColtsI received:Benson, Cedric CHI RB - traded for Year 2009 4th round pick/Chris Brown/Darius Walker/Chris Taylor (Ricky Willliams was included in the trade)Foster, De'shaun CAR RB - traded for Charles Grant/Year 2008 5th round pickPeterson, Adrian CHI RB - Still on my rosterWolfe, Garrett CHI RB - Still on my rosterWilliams, Demetrius BAL WR - traded in a 7 player/one pick that netted me Jamal LewisScaife, Bo TEN TE - Still on my rosterSuggs, Terrell BAL DE - Still on my roster Year 2008 Round 2 Draft Pick from Buffalo Bills - Netted DeShaun Jackson PHI WRYear 2008 Round 3 Draft Pick from Buffalo Bills - Netted Kenny Phillips NYG S

So what we've got here is a year-old deal involving 78 players and 31 draft picks.

No...I think he's trying to say that he traded Tony Gonzalez and Graham for Demetrius Williams and DeSean Jackson.

 

[veto87]

I have both Dunn and Graham starting in a 16 team ppr league. The last few weeks they both did ok, they won't kill you. By playing them both you ensure that you get the yardage and TDs plus TB throws to the RBs. They certainly won't lose a game for you like Roy Williams, R Moss and LJ have for me!

 

[Da Guru]

Graham got 52 and another TD.

A little less rushing and receiving than usual, but he got the goal line work again. That in itself is worth a play.

 

[Pack43]

Would a guy like Lee Evans be fair value for him?

I offered Graham for Evans today but still haven't heard back.

This deal went through on Sat. Original offer was rejected and that owner moved Evans in part of a multi-player deal. I then offered it up to the new Evans' owner and he accepted.

 

[Da Guru]

Either keep Graham or raise the ante in a trade. Warrick Dunn may be out for awhile and Graham will resume his role of last season.

Graham is a workhorse and if he get 20-25 touches will leap up the rankings.

 

[p00h]

Either keep Graham or raise the ante in a trade. Warrick Dunn may be out for awhile and Graham will resume his role of last season.Graham is a workhorse and if he get 20-25 touches will leap up the rankings.

Got him for Kerry Collins last friday! I was dumbfounded when the Romo owner came looking. What will it take for one of your stud qbs, kerry collins/marc bulger?!? Threw out Graham in jest, expecting to be slapped in the face by a white glove and challenged to an honor duel. Instead I got an offer! Granted its a 14 team deep league(redraft) and there is nothing on the WW, but that makes the trade even worse for him. RBs are a premium. Was his 3rd rb, but still. Estatic about it, as grant is off this week...

 

[QUEZILLA]

Either keep Graham or raise the ante in a trade. Warrick Dunn may be out for awhile and Graham will resume his role of last season.

Graham is a workhorse and if he get 20-25 touches will leap up the rankings.

Where did you see this? I know he got banged up, but didn't see anything about him missing time.Also, look at how Ten just ran all over KC. Tampa has them in 2 weeks.

 

[p00h]

Even with dunn in the mix, I think he is a viable low end #2. They are not going to convert him to FB, they just added 2 FBs to the team, and I would assume they will get into the mix starting next week. He runs hard, will get goalline looks, and about 13-20 touches a game. Got news for you, at this stage of the season, that aint not too bad! If you'd rather run cedric benson out there, or one of 10 other starting backs that are worthless, your perrogative. I'd love to have him on my team for the stretch run...