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Earnest Graham's Trade Value (1 Viewer)
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Been trying. He is garnering very little interest in my Dyansaty league. Tried to get a first round pick from the LJ owner in next year's rookie draft and was laughed at. I was offered Ike Bruce and Bobby Engram for him. Thats the best offer I have gotten and there is just no way I do that deal.Lining up at FB apparently is not good for one's value as a RB. Nobody really wants to hear about how that was a one-time deal. They only want to point out how effective Dunn has been.
I'm hoping he comes out with a nice game this sunday on prime time. It would make it a lot easier to move him.
Graham is one of those guys you will never ever get fair value for. With Dunn in the mix, and Caddy's return looming nobody wants to take the chance. Even if Caddy is put on IR, there is always the question he may return. Not to mention, Graham was a nobody last year. If he would have been an early draft pick people would probably be singing a different tune. The fact is that a guy like EG will ALWAYS have to prove himself.
Your best bet is to either keep him, or package him. But, nobody is going to see EG's value the way an EG owner does. I own him in a league, but would shy away for trading for him.
Not to mention, he is in a dreaded RBBC.
Your best bet is to either keep him, or package him. But, nobody is going to see EG's value the way an EG owner does. I own him in a league, but would shy away for trading for him.
Not to mention, he is in a dreaded RBBC.
beavers
Footballguy
I have Graham and Dunn. I've been trying to package him but no luck so far. I was very close to a deal (Graham/Dunn/R Moss for MJD/Lynch/Ward). The owner liked the upside of Moss (and I am to the point where I want to push Moss) but in the end, he found a better deal.
Right now, there's just no interest in Graham. The new fullback role and the emergence of Dunn has not helped one bit.
Right now, there's just no interest in Graham. The new fullback role and the emergence of Dunn has not helped one bit.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Yes I traded LJ for him. I am being laughed at in this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=430420 
This guy was a beast for me last year. I know his situation has changed but I think he will put up better numbers than LJ and on a more consistent basis.
The KC situation gets weirder by the day.
This guy was a beast for me last year. I know his situation has changed but I think he will put up better numbers than LJ and on a more consistent basis.
The KC situation gets weirder by the day.
I traded for Dunn in 2 leagues as soon as I heard he was coming to Tampa. I think one league I got him for a 3rd round rookie pick, and the other a 2nd. So far so good.
His value is higher than ever right now, and I may try and move him later in the season if one of my teams looks like it's out of playoff contention. If he puts up a few more good weeks I think his value could possibly reach a late 1st round rookie pick. That's when I will try and sell high.
fwiw, I think Dunn has 2 more solid years in him. But, imo he is still a flex guy.
His value is higher than ever right now, and I may try and move him later in the season if one of my teams looks like it's out of playoff contention. If he puts up a few more good weeks I think his value could possibly reach a late 1st round rookie pick. That's when I will try and sell high.
fwiw, I think Dunn has 2 more solid years in him. But, imo he is still a flex guy.
Depends entirely on your definition of fair value. Like you said yourself, nobody is going to see EG's value the way an EG owner does.Perhaps the EG owners are wrong, and everyone else is right, and fair value is what all these EG owners are feeling insulted by.
Take away the Dunn-less 2007, and this guy starts looking a lot like LeRon McClain.
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abishagenaden
Footballguy
Traded him away (packaged with Antonio Bryant) last Thursday for MJD. With Graham going into FB mode and MJD exploding (even if it might have just been a 1-week thing) last weekend, I doubt this kind of deal is to be had this week.
bringerofchill
Footballguy
In my dynasty league I recently traded him straight up for Cooley. I have been having trouble with the TE position since the league started last season. Vernon Davis just isn't cutting it.
My other RB's are MJD, Bush, CJ3 and Forte. So I was happy to get the upgrade at TE for him.
My other RB's are MJD, Bush, CJ3 and Forte. So I was happy to get the upgrade at TE for him.
baconisgood
Footballguy
I offered Schaub and E Graham to the Romo owner for Lynch when Romo's finger news first broke (haha) and it looked like he'd be out a month. It was rejected but the offer was close enough to start negotiations.
Graham does seem like a guy that epitomizes what it means to be more valuable to his current owner than to any other owner. I personally want to stay as far away from him as possible but an owner of him in one of my leagues found him valuable enough to offer him and JT O'Sullivan for Ocho and Turner. I am hurting at QB...but not that badly (in my eyes).
Even as a Graham owner i find myself just wanting to get rid of him, so i don't even think his own owners really like him.It's almost annoying having him on my team to the point i want to cut him just to get him off the roster.
UTLonghorn31
Footballguy
I traded Graham/Braylon for Fitz 
non ppr
non ppr
Pack43
Footballguy
I offered Graham for Evans today but still haven't heard back.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Wow. Garcia is not even rostered in my league - 12 team, 22 roster spots, dynasty. I realize that he should probably be on a roster - maybe even my own - but Graham for Garcia is an extrememly lopsided offer IMO in favor of the guy getting Graham. And he laughed at the offer?
tarheel1unc
Footballguy
I traded him for Felix Jones. He was my rb4 and I own Barber.
He's the # 12 RB despite splitting time with Dunn and basically getting no carries last game. Safe to say he is worth a lot more to the team starting him than the pittance most other owners are willing to offer in trade as evidenced by this thread.
dmac37
Footballguy
It is one of those cases that I wish I didn't already own him so I could buy low in a steal.gonzobill5
Footballguy
two weeks ago i offered graham and chester taylor for lynch thinking it was a ripoff. was countered with graham and chester taylor for lynch and fred jackson. couldn't understand why he countered that way, but i took it, cut jackson and grabbed dunn who had no business being on WW. other owner must be pissed!
ratbast
Footballguy
Yep, pretty much a huge buy low candidate in my book. But I also have him already. Actually, my whole team qualifies as "buy low". (1-5 ARRRGH!)It is one of those cases that I wish I didn't already own him so I could buy low in a steal.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
call me crazy, I bought on EG in most all my leagues except for the 2 teams in in rebuild mode sorta.
His price was cheap, i seen him as a guy i can get very cheap that will be way more productive than his cost.
I have him in a few non ppr leagues and have had a few owners every other week ask me for him.
But his name alone wont bring anything major back...unless the owner is in panic mode.
But for me i like the fella....I guess i root for him since most dogg him.
Him and Fargas are 2 rb's i like having on my teams. There nice spot plays and servicable here and there.
His price was cheap, i seen him as a guy i can get very cheap that will be way more productive than his cost.
I have him in a few non ppr leagues and have had a few owners every other week ask me for him.
But his name alone wont bring anything major back...unless the owner is in panic mode.
But for me i like the fella....I guess i root for him since most dogg him.
Him and Fargas are 2 rb's i like having on my teams. There nice spot plays and servicable here and there.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
E Graham is between #10 and #13 in most of my leagues RB points scored - including last week when he flayed FB most of the game.
What will he be down the home stretch? I'm thinking very solid, and the goal line back ...
I'm not trading him, I'm trading FOR him
What will he be down the home stretch? I'm thinking very solid, and the goal line back ...
I'm not trading him, I'm trading FOR him
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
I was offered Delhomme for Graham and I rejected it.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Was able to move him 2 weeks ago, but now it would be harder...
He's the type of player who you can sell after his good spurts (more than one good game), but when he's underwhelmed, does not carry the credibility for the buyer to see much upside.
He's the type of player who you can sell after his good spurts (more than one good game), but when he's underwhelmed, does not carry the credibility for the buyer to see much upside.
lion_crazz
Footballguy
Wow... I am surprised with the amount of people down on Graham. I was thinking of trading Rothlisberger to get Graham. Graham has only had one game where he scored under 10 points in my league. Also, Graham's schedule looks nice and the Buccs just signed a full back.
Upcoming schedule has Seattle, KC, and Detroit before week 12. His playoff schedule is not terrible either, with a home game against Carolina and week 15 against Atlanta.
Upcoming schedule has Seattle, KC, and Detroit before week 12. His playoff schedule is not terrible either, with a home game against Carolina and week 15 against Atlanta.
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I dont think you have to give up Roethlisberger straight up for Graham. At least not with most Graham owners. That seems like a steep price for an undervalued underappreciated RB coming off an 11 yard game in which he played FB. Dont get me wrong - I like Graham a lot going forward, and I am not saying that it is a horrible trade. I just think that you may be able to get him for less. Good time to buy low IMO, and Big Ben does not seem low enough.
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
I got a reallly good offer for him about 3 weeks ago. I tried moving him during the offseason with no luck. I'm thinking the offer was 4 rookie draft picks but only one 1st rounder and it was for 2010 rookie draft. The others were 3rd and later. However, it's an IDP Dynasty league so the draft picks are worth a little bit more. I almost pulled the trigger but then lost Willie Parker to injury and Chris Johnson had a tough Baltimore matchup.
Now I was shopping him again but Parker is still a no go and now Bush has a swollen knee as well. So I might just ride Graham and Chris Johnson until the other two RBs can prove healthy.
Now I was shopping him again but Parker is still a no go and now Bush has a swollen knee as well. So I might just ride Graham and Chris Johnson until the other two RBs can prove healthy.
Koya
Footballguy
He is on a team without much offense. He has had a couple off games. He played FULLBACK last week.All those push toward his value being depressed. The guy is a big time buy low, but if you are looking to get value by trading him away, good luck.I traded for Graham a couple weeks ago (Turner after his big game and something minor for Braylon Edwards before his bye and Graham). His value is LESS now I would presume, and the guy gave him to me without much thought a few weeks back. I have three viable RBs in that league and would trade one, but I have to admit, I need to see a little more of Graham the fantasy back rather than Graham the great football player before I myself am confident enough to trade away one of my other guys, and I won't trade Graham because he is so undervalued right now.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I have Graham in my 12 team league and I decided to keep him.
We start 2 RBs per team plus a flex. On any given week there are 30 RBs starting, Graham is #12 in scoring..ahead of Westbrook, Lynch, SJax and I got him three rounds later. Seems like a good value pick as of now.
The Bcs signed two FBs this week and even splitting time with Dunn Graham has been good for 50 yards rushing, 25 receiving and he gets the goal line work. You could do worse.
We start 2 RBs per team plus a flex. On any given week there are 30 RBs starting, Graham is #12 in scoring..ahead of Westbrook, Lynch, SJax and I got him three rounds later. Seems like a good value pick as of now.
The Bcs signed two FBs this week and even splitting time with Dunn Graham has been good for 50 yards rushing, 25 receiving and he gets the goal line work. You could do worse.
Steel Town
Footballguy
I know the Bucs signed Jameel Cook....is he ready to play Sunday night? I am forced to play Dunn this weekend, and will be much more optomistic about his chances if Graham is blocking again.
He should be able to step right in but I'm not 100% sure.
Saying Graham is the #12 RB obscures the fact that he's played more games than roughly half the RBs. On a ppg basis, he's #21 and McClain's #22 (despite splitting time with McGahee and basically getting no carries last game). I think the Graham-McClain comparison is just about perfect.The bottom line is that outside of MJD, the market for RBs that get less than 50% of their team's carries is pretty soft. Just way too much exposure to the sort of goosegg game both guys just had last Sunday.Buckna said:
Pack43
Footballguy
Graham scored 13.8 points last week in my PPR league. In 6 games, only once has he scored fewer than 13 fantasy points.Tanner9919
Footballguy
just dumped him for Warrick Dunn..I'm sure Graham now goes off this weekend for 130 and 3 tds...
PranksterJD
Footballguy
The mistake about the "goose egg" game has been covered, so I wanted to jump into your first statement.The number of games Graham has played vs. other runners is irrelevant. Graham is #22 in the league in carries, yet is fantasy #12 in points. He's not a threat to regularly catch the ball, so the fact is ( from that simple metric ) that he is simply outplaying at least 10 other RBs.
Now, I'm not saying someone should expect to get Marshawn Lynch straight up for Graham or anything, but your post is a fairly clear example of why Graham owners can't get decent value for him from non-owners. He's like a poor man's Clinton Portis in FF terms. Owners think he's great, but the trade value for him just isn't there. As a result, the general consensus in here is probably a good one. Graham is a good buy, but not a good sell.
As well, that comparison to McClain is just silly. Graham may not have the best side to side movement in the NFL, but he at least has **some** ability in that area, which La'Ron really doesn't.
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Markus P Dub
Footballguy
Trade him today for Colston
Tyrion
Footballguy
OMG that is funny.
Point taken about Graham's goosegg game being a few weeks ago now. I recalled he went 5 carries for 11 yards on Sunday, and incorrectly assumed his point total for the week was poor, which it almost always will be given that amount of work.Graham scored 13.8 points last week in my PPR league. In 6 games, only once has he scored fewer than 13 fantasy points.
Of course the number of games Graham has played vs. other runners is relevant, especially in the middle of the year when bye weeks have hit some guys but not others. That's why PPG is the number to look at. Rate stats > counting stats.That side to side movement business is what's irrelevant. In fantasy football, it's not how, it's how many. And in the how many column, Graham ~= McClain (on a per-game basis).
Is Graham worth more thanAddai
Grant
Jamal
McGahee
Stewart
Kevin Smith
McFadden?
Because he's outscoring all of them on a PPG basis and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
