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mcintyre1 said:
Smack Tripper said:
The refusal to close the borders is plainly politics over policy. My goodness. It doesn't need to be permanent but let's get a handle on what we got.

And this Duncan idiot, I can imagine a bigger selfish SOB.
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I disagree with this. Closing the borders isn't practical in any sense. Are you suggesting that we should shut off all people entering the USA? Otherwise we're not going to accomplish much. We have little control over boarding when it comes to international flights and the only way to know someone has Ebola is if they're visibly sick, which we're already trying to enforce (and even then, we just know they're sick, not that they actually have Ebola and not any number of other viruses that create identical symptoms). Remember, this guy didn't fly into the US directly from an Ebola country, he came through Europe.

I also can't blame Duncan personally, he wasn't exhibiting any symptoms when he took the flight and couldn't have known he was infected. Can you blame him for wanting to leave the country before he got sick (from all the knowledge he had at the time)?
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I'm suggesting we lost a contact and maybe we freeze and look for it as a nation. I'm suggesting

-a month long moritorium on all flights from Africa and reassess at that time

-exit screening from all other international flights to determine if there has been secondary travel from infected regions for 30 days. Those who have go into quarantine if they have visited infected regions in the past 45 days

-customs review of those driving and coming to the US by rail, boat or auto. Auto and rail passengers are denied entry. Boats are mandated off shore quarantine for 30 days.

This will cost millions. A pandemic will cost billions.

And don't be naive on Duncan. If he knew he helped this pregnant woman, a noble gesture, it's inconceivable that his travel was coincidental. Get well mr Duncan and your thank you present is trip home.

 
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shader said:
Ditka Butkus said:
Quez said:
They sure seem to be downplaying this on the news last night. I hope they are right and we have nothing to worry about. As long as it's not an airborne strain I think it's pretty containable.

I wonder if it can turn airborne? If that happens we are all f'd
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The Texas Department of State Health Services on Wednesday issued a health alert outlining Ebola criteria that health care providers should watch for as they evaluate patients.

Doctors and nurses should look for fever greater than 101.5 degrees coupled with severe headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain or unexplained hemorrhaging, the alert says.

Patients who have those symptoms and who also have been in contact with someone believed to have Ebola or have been in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea or Nigeria in the past 21 days should be considered a person under investigation and should be tested for the disease, the alert says.

The alert notes that the virus does not generally spread through air, water or food, except in Africa, where handling or eating raw bushmeat can spread it.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parents-fearing-ebola-remove-children-from-school/ar-BB6TzBc
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Does not generally....It does spread through the air in pigs. Their claim is that in a lab environment it's never spread through the air in primates. But read The Hot Zone, and you may wonder whether there is much validity in that. Ebola is a Biosafety Level 4 hot agent. To even work on it in a lab, you have to go through extreme precautions.
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The Reston Ebola spread by air between monkeys but is not harmful to humans.

In Reston, Virginia, less than fifteen miles (24 km) away from Washington, DC, a company called Hazelton Research once operated a quarantine center for monkeys that were destined for laboratories. In October 1989, when an unusually high number of their monkeys began to die, their veterinarian decided to send some samples to Fort Detrick (USAMRIID) for study. Early during the testing process in biosafety level 3, when one of the flasks appeared to be contaminated with harmless pseudomonas bacterium, two USAMRIID scientists exposed themselves to the virus by wafting the flask.

They later determine that, while the virus is terrifyingly lethal to monkeys, humans can be infected with it without any health effects at all. This virus is now known as Reston virus (RESTV).
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Smack Tripper said:
mcintyre1 said:
Smack Tripper said:
The refusal to close the borders is plainly politics over policy. My goodness. It doesn't need to be permanent but let's get a handle on what we got.

And this Duncan idiot, I can imagine a bigger selfish SOB.
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I disagree with this. Closing the borders isn't practical in any sense. Are you suggesting that we should shut off all people entering the USA? Otherwise we're not going to accomplish much. We have little control over boarding when it comes to international flights and the only way to know someone has Ebola is if they're visibly sick, which we're already trying to enforce (and even then, we just know they're sick, not that they actually have Ebola and not any number of other viruses that create identical symptoms). Remember, this guy didn't fly into the US directly from an Ebola country, he came through Europe.

I also can't blame Duncan personally, he wasn't exhibiting any symptoms when he took the flight and couldn't have known he was infected. Can you blame him for wanting to leave the country before he got sick (from all the knowledge he had at the time)?
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I'm suggesting we lost a contact and maybe we freeze and look for it as a nation.I'm suggesting

-a month long moritorium on all flights from Africa and reassess at that time

-exit screening from all other international flights to determine if there has been secondary travel from infected regions for 30 days. Those who have go into quarantine if they have visited infected regions in the past 45 days

-customs review of those driving and coming to the US by rail, boat or auto. Auto and rail passengers are denied entry. Boats are mandated off shore quarantine for 30 days.

This will cost millions. A pandemic will cost billions.

And don't be naive on Duncan. If he knew he helped this pregnant woman, a noble gesture, it's inconceivable that his travel was coincidental. Get well mr Duncan and your thank you present is trip home.
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:lmao:

You are off by a minimum of a factor of 10 in each case - your panic moves will cost billions, a pandemic will cost trillions.

The cost of doing nothing here will be minimal.

 
I predict more stupid political posts about the Ebola in the FFA than number of people infected.

 
I'm contemplating going to Dallas and break into this guys room and expose myself to the Ebola.....I figure if I get it early they can inject me with the experimental drug and I can get it over with...Once this thing gets out of control there won't be enough doses to go around.

 
Mr. Ham said:
From what I'm reading, he helped a dying pregnant woman with Ebola, who was having convulsions, to the hospital on September 15, even helping to carry her. That's noble. But he got on a three flights with long layovers on the 19th and seems to have left that tidbit out in the triage interview. Seems awfully likely this guy knew he was infected, or that he might be. If he fled to the US for better care, he needs to be charged with something.
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Liberia to Prosecute Man Who Brought Ebola to US

AP

Liberian authorities say they plan to prosecute the man infected with Ebola who brought the disease to the United States, saying he lied on his airport health questionnaire.

With an Ebola crisis raging in West Africa, passengers leaving Liberia are being screened for fever and are asked if they have had contact with anyone infected.

On the questionnaire obtained by The Associated Press, Thomas Eric Duncan answered 'no' to those questions.

Neighbors say Duncan had helped a sick pregnant woman who later died of the disease. Her illness at the time was believed to be pregnancy-related.

Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, told reporters Thursday that Duncan will be prosecuted when he returns to Liberia.
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Gary Coal Man said:
Mr. Ham said:
From what I'm reading, he helped a dying pregnant woman with Ebola, who was having convulsions, to the hospital on September 15, even helping to carry her. That's noble. But he got on a three flights with long layovers on the 19th and seems to have left that tidbit out in the triage interview. Seems awfully likely this guy knew he was infected, or that he might be. If he fled to the US for better care, he needs to be charged with something.
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Liberia to Prosecute Man Who Brought Ebola to US

AP

Liberian authorities say they plan to prosecute the man infected with Ebola who brought the disease to the United States, saying he lied on his airport health questionnaire.

With an Ebola crisis raging in West Africa, passengers leaving Liberia are being screened for fever and are asked if they have had contact with anyone infected.

On the questionnaire obtained by The Associated Press, Thomas Eric Duncan answered 'no' to those questions.

Neighbors say Duncan had helped a sick pregnant woman who later died of the disease. Her illness at the time was believed to be pregnancy-related.

Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, told reporters Thursday that Duncan will be prosecuted when he returns to Liberia.
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Obama will keep him here instead of shipping his ### back. Just thought I would add to the stupid political angle......But it is true, he will never go back, and we won't make him.

 
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Gary Coal Man said:
Mr. Ham said:
From what I'm reading, he helped a dying pregnant woman with Ebola, who was having convulsions, to the hospital on September 15, even helping to carry her. That's noble. But he got on a three flights with long layovers on the 19th and seems to have left that tidbit out in the triage interview. Seems awfully likely this guy knew he was infected, or that he might be. If he fled to the US for better care, he needs to be charged with something.
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Liberia to Prosecute Man Who Brought Ebola to US

AP

Liberian authorities say they plan to prosecute the man infected with Ebola who brought the disease to the United States, saying he lied on his airport health questionnaire.

With an Ebola crisis raging in West Africa, passengers leaving Liberia are being screened for fever and are asked if they have had contact with anyone infected.

On the questionnaire obtained by The Associated Press, Thomas Eric Duncan answered 'no' to those questions.

Neighbors say Duncan had helped a sick pregnant woman who later died of the disease. Her illness at the time was believed to be pregnancy-related.

Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, told reporters Thursday that Duncan will be prosecuted when he returns to Liberia.
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Why would he return there when he has better healthcare here and it is prob free? He can prob sue the medical facility bc he was unhappy with the jello at lunch and retire in a mansion in TX.

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Mr. Ham said:
From what I'm reading, he helped a dying pregnant woman with Ebola, who was having convulsions, to the hospital on September 15, even helping to carry her. That's noble. But he got on a three flights with long layovers on the 19th and seems to have left that tidbit out in the triage interview. Seems awfully likely this guy knew he was infected, or that he might be. If he fled to the US for better care, he needs to be charged with something.
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Liberia to Prosecute Man Who Brought Ebola to US

AP

Liberian authorities say they plan to prosecute the man infected with Ebola who brought the disease to the United States, saying he lied on his airport health questionnaire.

With an Ebola crisis raging in West Africa, passengers leaving Liberia are being screened for fever and are asked if they have had contact with anyone infected.

On the questionnaire obtained by The Associated Press, Thomas Eric Duncan answered 'no' to those questions.

Neighbors say Duncan had helped a sick pregnant woman who later died of the disease. Her illness at the time was believed to be pregnancy-related.

Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, told reporters Thursday that Duncan will be prosecuted when he returns to Liberia.
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Laugh at this great screening process....#1. Have you been exposed to Ebola....Uhhh....no . :lmao: ..Yeah this allowing travel from that area should work like a champ.

 
Jesus, the sheets this guy sweat through are still on the bed in the apartment. Don't assume that there are logical and effective protocols in place. Only now is the CDC contracting to have someone get those sheets and look at the apartment. How is the quarantine being enforced? We need a better plan.

 
Quez said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2cscg8/i_am_richard_preston_author_of_the_hot_zone_and/
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[–]RichardPreston[S] 288 points

1 month ago you mean in the US, right? The major hospitals are equipped to deal with small numbers of Ebola patients. I don't anticipate more than handfuls of Ebola patients here in the US, even if it gets really bad in West Africa. Reason is that we have a solid, structured medical care system, they unfortunately don't.
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Mr. Ham said:
Jesus, the sheets this guy sweat through are still on the bed in the apartment. Don't assume that there are logical and effective protocols in place. Only now is the CDC contracting to have someone get those sheets and look at the apartment. How is the quarantine being enforced? We need a better plan.
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girlfriend will be patient #2 in a few weeks..

 
If a Monrovian man wants better healthcare for free in the USA, who are we to stop them? I think before providing this care (which prob runs about $100k a day with the isolation unit and all), we should offer him and any others like him all expense paid trip to NYC, Chicago, Houston, LA, etc... Hopefully others that know they have come into contact with Ebola are putting their funds towards a USA trip, I mean this guy sets the precedent, just get in and we got you :thumbup:

 
fantasycurse42 said:
If a Monrovian man wants better healthcare for free in the USA, who are we to stop them? I think before providing this care (which prob runs about $100k a day with the isolation unit and all), we should offer him and any others like him all expense paid trip to NYC, Chicago, Houston, LA, etc... Hopefully others that know they have come into contact with Ebola are putting their funds towards a USA trip, I mean this guy sets the precedent, just get in and we got you :thumbup:
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Yep it will be like an assembly line once word gets out the USA will take all comers. We are so f**king stupid.

 
cstu said:
El Floppo said:
Bucky86 said:
Brony said:
Bucky86 said:
Should I buy a gun?
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I don't think your average bullets are gonna stop that virus. Maybe a tiny virus gun?
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No to shoot the Ebola zombies when this thing goes wide spread.
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I'm pretty sure they can't open doors.so get lots of doors too.
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Yet. Like the flu virus, zombies can mutate.
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Thats all it does! It will track her down and infect her ####### heart out!
 
Fennis said:
shader said:
It's extremely scary. I assume it will be knocked out, like it was in Nigeria. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's scary. This isn't the flu. This isn't malaria. It's an extremely dangerous virus that up to this point, has only been handled in the US in laboratories with crazy safeguards. Now it's been out in the open in a major US city.

One thing that really bugs me is the assumption that the US will be fine because we have awesome hospitals. Our hospitals are no different than hospitals in other countries. It's US arrogance that somehow thinks we have nice, modern hospitals that the rest of the world doesn't.

Yeah, Liberia and Sierra Leone's hospitals are probably worse off. But ours aren't much better. I've worked in and around hospitals for the past four years. I've been in a lot of hospitals. Most hospitals aren't equipped to deal with Ebola. They just aren't. This isn't time for arrogance about the amazing state of US healthcare facilities.
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do US hospitals reuse bloody, feces stained sheets after treating contagious patients? Because that's what happens in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
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So you're saying that this is a common practice in Liberia and Sierra Leone?

 
shader said:
Fennis said:
shader said:
It's extremely scary. I assume it will be knocked out, like it was in Nigeria. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's scary. This isn't the flu. This isn't malaria. It's an extremely dangerous virus that up to this point, has only been handled in the US in laboratories with crazy safeguards. Now it's been out in the open in a major US city.

One thing that really bugs me is the assumption that the US will be fine because we have awesome hospitals. Our hospitals are no different than hospitals in other countries. It's US arrogance that somehow thinks we have nice, modern hospitals that the rest of the world doesn't.

Yeah, Liberia and Sierra Leone's hospitals are probably worse off. But ours aren't much better. I've worked in and around hospitals for the past four years. I've been in a lot of hospitals. Most hospitals aren't equipped to deal with Ebola. They just aren't. This isn't time for arrogance about the amazing state of US healthcare facilities.
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do US hospitals reuse bloody, feces stained sheets after treating contagious patients? Because that's what happens in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
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So you're saying that this is a common practice in Liberia and Sierra Leone?
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I have heard that reported multiple times. Yes.

 
wdcrob said:
TheIronSheik said:
I like how there's a new strain of flu every season but people are sold on the belief that Ebola only works a certain way.
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Because people who know a lot about it say that's not a worry?
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Devil's Advocate here, but what would be their incentive to say "We should be worried about this"? That only leads to public panic. Of note, both the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota and the UN Secretary General's Special Representative on the Ebola outbreak have been publicly quoted as indicating that mutation to airborne transmission is possible, if unlikely. Essentially declaring that we're in uncharted waters.

 
What's particularly concerning to me as a worst case is if someone infected with enterovirus-68 (the 'mystery' respiratory illness that right wing sites have been reporting on for a few months and is present in at least 11 US states) became infected with Ebola, resulting in a novel mutation of the two. Highly, highly unlikely, but we'd be in for a ####storm if it happened.

 
Fennis said:
about 500 US citizens die of meningitis every year.
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This kind of post is absolutely ridiculous. Ebola is a deadly virus that the gov't and the CDC takes extremely serious. The only thing stopping us from a worldwide plague is a lot of hard work by the medical field. Throwing irrelevant stats out about the number of deaths from meningitis is not relevant.

 
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mcintyre1 said:
What's particularly concerning to me as a worst case is if someone infected with enterovirus-68 (the 'mystery' respiratory illness that right wing sites have been reporting on for a few months and is present in at least 11 US states) became infected with Ebola, resulting in a novel mutation of the two. Highly, highly unlikely, but we'd be in for a ####storm if it happened.
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the lame stream media has been reporting on enterovirus 68 too

 
Fennis said:
shader said:
Fennis said:
shader said:
It's extremely scary. I assume it will be knocked out, like it was in Nigeria. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's scary. This isn't the flu. This isn't malaria. It's an extremely dangerous virus that up to this point, has only been handled in the US in laboratories with crazy safeguards. Now it's been out in the open in a major US city.

One thing that really bugs me is the assumption that the US will be fine because we have awesome hospitals. Our hospitals are no different than hospitals in other countries. It's US arrogance that somehow thinks we have nice, modern hospitals that the rest of the world doesn't.

Yeah, Liberia and Sierra Leone's hospitals are probably worse off. But ours aren't much better. I've worked in and around hospitals for the past four years. I've been in a lot of hospitals. Most hospitals aren't equipped to deal with Ebola. They just aren't. This isn't time for arrogance about the amazing state of US healthcare facilities.
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do US hospitals reuse bloody, feces stained sheets after treating contagious patients? Because that's what happens in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
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So you're saying that this is a common practice in Liberia and Sierra Leone?
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I have heard that reported multiple times. Yes.
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I'd be surprised. There are a lot of health care workers in those areas. I'd think they were smarter than that.

 
shader said:
Fennis said:
shader said:
Fennis said:
shader said:
It's extremely scary. I assume it will be knocked out, like it was in Nigeria. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's scary. This isn't the flu. This isn't malaria. It's an extremely dangerous virus that up to this point, has only been handled in the US in laboratories with crazy safeguards. Now it's been out in the open in a major US city.

One thing that really bugs me is the assumption that the US will be fine because we have awesome hospitals. Our hospitals are no different than hospitals in other countries. It's US arrogance that somehow thinks we have nice, modern hospitals that the rest of the world doesn't.

Yeah, Liberia and Sierra Leone's hospitals are probably worse off. But ours aren't much better. I've worked in and around hospitals for the past four years. I've been in a lot of hospitals. Most hospitals aren't equipped to deal with Ebola. They just aren't. This isn't time for arrogance about the amazing state of US healthcare facilities.
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do US hospitals reuse bloody, feces stained sheets after treating contagious patients? Because that's what happens in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
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So you're saying that this is a common practice in Liberia and Sierra Leone?
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I have heard that reported multiple times. Yes.
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I'd be surprised. There are a lot of health care workers in those areas. I'd think they were smarter than that.
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they live in extreme poverty and cant keep up with the disease

 
So they say the guy came into contact with 80 people. What if out of those 80 people, 8 of them have had symptoms and have come into contact with 40 people each since? End of the world, correct? Mad Max at a minimum? The Stand?

 
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So they say the guy came into contact with 80 people. What if out of those 80 people, 8 of them have had symptoms and have come into contact with 40 people each since? End of the world, correct? Mad Max at a minimum? The Stand?
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Ebola is copying Amway

 
Fennis said:
mcintyre1 said:
What's particularly concerning to me as a worst case is if someone infected with enterovirus-68 (the 'mystery' respiratory illness that right wing sites have been reporting on for a few months and is present in at least 11 US states) became infected with Ebola, resulting in a novel mutation of the two. Highly, highly unlikely, but we'd be in for a ####storm if it happened.
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the lame stream media has been reporting on enterovirus 68 too
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Yeah, very true. I've just noticed that Drudge et al. have been harping on it near constantly for awhile now. Agreed that the politicization of Ebola by the right wing is both dangerous and disgusting.

 
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