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Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
If you had to travel around the country for business would you wear a mask and wear latex gloves at this point?
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No.. but I would likely go out of my way to avoid unnecessary contact with common surfaces, and would wash my hands regularly. Not because I think ebola is lurking everywhere... but because it's a fairly unobtrusive precautionary measure.

 
timschochet said:
9,000 cases reported world wide, most of them in 3 countries with a population of 20 million. And this is the "breakout". Now the WHO warns that the 9,000 figure is lower than actual, so for the sake of conservatism, lets make it 100,000, over 10 times the reported number. That still represents .5% of the entire population.

That indicates to me that when the doctors tell us this is a very difficult disease to contract, I think they are telling us the truth.
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:doh:

 
shader said:
timschochet said:
9,000 cases reported world wide, most of them in 3 countries with a population of 20 million. And this is the "breakout". Now the WHO warns that the 9,000 figure is lower than actual, so for the sake of conservatism, lets make it 100,000, over 10 times the reported number. That still represents .5% of the entire population.

That indicates to me that when the doctors tell us this is a very difficult disease to contract, I think they are telling us the truth.
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obviously you disagree? What did I get wrong?
 
SHIZNITTTT said:
I keep seeing those workers in Africa having respirators and full hoods while taking care of ebola patients. That is a lot more protection than face shields and PPE.
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And none of it means a damned thing if you don't take it off properly.

Try and keep track of how many times you rub your eyes, pick at your teeth or bite your cuticles/fingernails. It's shockingly often for most people.

It is hard to get if you are not in direct contact with a patient, if you are its alarmingly easy.

Not sure why you are so confident these nurses didn't eff up. 2 nurses of what, dozens who cared for him got sick? What's more likely, it's easier to catch than the professionals say it is, or they effed up taking their gloves/mask off?

 
timschochet said:
shader said:
timschochet said:
9,000 cases reported world wide, most of them in 3 countries with a population of 20 million. And this is the "breakout". Now the WHO warns that the 9,000 figure is lower than actual, so for the sake of conservatism, lets make it 100,000, over 10 times the reported number. That still represents .5% of the entire population.

That indicates to me that when the doctors tell us this is a very difficult disease to contract, I think they are telling us the truth.
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obviously you disagree? What did I get wrong?
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It's just quite annoying that people continue to use the "there are only X Ebola patients" line, as it's relatively meaningless. If it isn't stifled quickly in the three West African countries, and IF a vaccine isn't found, those numbers of 9,000 will grow exponentially. The number of current infections is low, true. But Ebola isn't the measles, it isn't chicken pox or any other ridiculous diseases that it's been compared to in this thread.

That being said, I do agree with one of your points, which is that it is a difficult disease to contract. In West Africa, it seems the ratio is 2, meaning each infected person will infect 2 people. That means there aren't going to be 50 people in the US with Ebola in 3 weeks. This isn't going to spread like wildfire or infect an entire plane. If the ratio holds up, in 2 weeks there will be 4 infected people in the US. Obviously, when the numbers are this small, it should be relatively easy to squash. But when the numbers are 9,000...that is a lot and will start spreading quicker than it can be contained, if it isn't contained quickly.

 
My faith in the CDC is kind of being lost. So yesterday, after it came out that the nurse traveled to Cleveland, they came out and said she should not have traveled. Then, a couple hours later, it was reported that the nurse called the CDC, told them she was sick and had a temperature, and they said it was OK for her to get on that plane.

CDC sure seems to be doing a lot of finger pointing. If I was one of these infected nurses, and I lived, I'd sue the hell out of everyone in the CDC.

 
A few people that increase to 9,000 over a two year period is not the kind of exponential growth that terrifies me. We can easily contain this until we cure it. I'm confident we 'll do both.

I just hate panic and fear mongering. I've been accused of it myself with regard to global warming , but while I think GW is real and serious, I also think that it's solvable and that eventually we will. But recently the public has reacted to both ISIS and Ebola with fear and panic, and in both cases it's an over reaction IMO.

 
With millions of people in the US contracting the disease and hundreds of thousands dead I can't understand they're advising everyone not to panic. Crazy!

 
Just had Ebola brought up in early meetings here. I work in dental field and we accept incoming cases that could include contaminated from patients. We already disinfect everything coming in, but now must use gloves when opening packages and handling any materials prior to disinfecting.

 
New Ebola case in my backyard - New Haven, CT. One of the aid workers allowed back in without a quarantine period, That's just plan dumb

 
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Just had Ebola brought up in early meetings here. I work in dental field and we accept incoming cases that could include contaminated from patients. We already disinfect everything coming in, but now must use gloves when opening packages and handling any materials prior to disinfecting.
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remember the powder in mail scare in the days just after 9/11? Reminds me of that.
 
Harry Manback said:
derek245583 said:
Once you get it and are cured are you good for life like the chicken pox? Or what?
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They think you are immune to that particular strain, but there are many different strains, so I wouldn't head back to Africa and start treating people without protection.
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immune for up to 10 years. Not forever. And saying "up to" is kind of scary in and of itself. Does that mean after two years, you could get it still?

 
timschochet said:
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Just had Ebola brought up in early meetings here. I work in dental field and we accept incoming cases that could include contaminated from patients. We already disinfect everything coming in, but now must use gloves when opening packages and handling any materials prior to disinfecting.
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remember the powder in mail scare in the days just after 9/11? Reminds me of that.
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Except that I work in a medical field where we receive case submissions with materials that have been in direct contact with patients saliva and blood...

... but other than that small fact, yep. Exact same thing.

 
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TheIronSheik said:
My faith in the CDC is kind of being lost. So yesterday, after it came out that the nurse traveled to Cleveland, they came out and said she should not have traveled. Then, a couple hours later, it was reported that the nurse called the CDC, told them she was sick and had a temperature, and they said it was OK for her to get on that plane.

CDC sure seems to be doing a lot of finger pointing. If I was one of these infected nurses, and I lived, I'd sue the hell out of everyone in the CDC.
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It's fairly well known that the CDC has always had a thing for Cleveland. No one is sure when the rift occurred but it's fairly obvious that with the recent success of the Browns, LeBron coming home and the Tribe at least looking respectable the CDC had had enough and stepped in. Sad really
 
stlrams said:
New Ebola case in my backyard - New Haven, CT. One of the aid workers allowed back in without a quarantine period, That's just plan dumb
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Really? A new case? You're not sensationalizing and fear mongering are you?

Where's your source?

I see someone with "Ebola-like Symptoms" which is wild. Naseua, fever, vomiting. There's literally no other illness that could have those same symptoms. Definitely can't be the flu.

 
TheIronSheik said:
Harry Manback said:
derek245583 said:
Once you get it and are cured are you good for life like the chicken pox? Or what?
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They think you are immune to that particular strain, but there are many different strains, so I wouldn't head back to Africa and start treating people without protection.
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immune for up to 10 years. Not forever. And saying "up to" is kind of scary in and of itself. Does that mean after two years, you could get it still?
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Probably only "up to 10 years" as the strain you are immune to will have mutated and no longer exist.

 
stlrams said:
New Ebola case in my backyard - New Haven, CT. One of the aid workers allowed back in without a quarantine period, That's just plan dumb
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An aid worker eh? Not a med student with zero contact with any patients or healthcare providers? Oh. Facts. Damn them, prevents you from making a scene and fear mongering. ####### facts. I hate them too.

 
timschochet said:
You know Sheik, your idea kinda reminds me of the royal Hawaiian government of the 1860s. They had this disease called leprosy, and anyone who came down with it was shipped off to the island of Molokai, thrown ashore on the beach, and told they could never return to civilization. When volunteers (usually loved ones or ministers like Father Damien) offered to go and help the poor lepers, they were told by the government, you can go, but if you do you are never allowed to return.
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and that is why hawaii is so beautiful today.
 
Hey Harry - before you start questioning people they have this thing called the internet with a search engine for anything you want. Its all over the news in CT. Aid worker just returining from liberia admitted to yale-New Haven hospital with ebola like symptoms

 
TheIronSheik said:
My faith in the CDC is kind of being lost. So yesterday, after it came out that the nurse traveled to Cleveland, they came out and said she should not have traveled. Then, a couple hours later, it was reported that the nurse called the CDC, told them she was sick and had a temperature, and they said it was OK for her to get on that plane.

CDC sure seems to be doing a lot of finger pointing. If I was one of these infected nurses, and I lived, I'd sue the hell out of everyone in the CDC.
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when the head of the cdc had his speech when duncan first came in saying it was impossible for anyone in the us to get evola, i just thought this is not going to turn out well in terms of pr for them. they seem to be overly trying to not start a panic, which is good, but they are trying so hard it actually makes me a bit nervous.
 
stlrams said:
Hey Harry - before you start questioning people they have this thing called the internet with a search engine for anything you want. Its all over the news in CT. Aid worker just returining from liberia admitted to yale-New Haven hospital with ebola like symptoms
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Hey StlRams, buddy, guy, Ebola like symptoms <> having ebola.

Reading comp must be down for you. I'm sorry for your loss.

 
And he's not an aid worker, but keep spreading misinformation.

"The university’s school of public health said in a letter to students and staff Monday that the doctoral students did not have contact with Ebola patients or health care providers treating those with the deadly disease."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newsdesk/2014/10/16/report-possible-ebola-case-at-yale-new-haven-hospital/

But again, don't let me or my facts stop your wild speculation and grossly irresponsible statements.

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
This is an inside story from some registered nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas who have familiarity with what occurred at the hospital following the positive Ebola infection of first the late Thomas Eric Duncan and then a registered nurse who cared for him Nina Pham.

The RNs contacted National Nurses United out of frustration with a lack of training and preparation. They are choosing to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation.
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What a cluster of foxes. :wall:

 
Harry Manback said:
And he's not an aid worker, but keep spreading misinformation.

"The university’s school of public health said in a letter to students and staff Monday that the doctoral students did not have contact with Ebola patients or health care providers treating those with the deadly disease."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newsdesk/2014/10/16/report-possible-ebola-case-at-yale-new-haven-hospital/

But again, don't let me or my facts stop your wild speculation and grossly irresponsible statements.
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So what's your address so I can ambulette him and his immediate family over your house for a short stay....

 
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Angry Manback is not being his typical self in here.... everything okay at home, GB? :(
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:lmao: I just hate people spreading misinformation about something like this.

Sure, this is super serious and potentially catastrophic, but there's no need to twist facts to spread fear or to have a "look at me Ebola is in my backyard".

He MIGHT have Ebola, it is not even close to confirmed. There are dozens of other diseases that present symptoms similar to Ebola.

He was NOT an aid worker.

He did NOT have contact with any aid workers or infected patients.

Based ont eh info that is out there, this is a precaution and in all likliehood he doesn't have it. It IS flu season after all.

Could he have it? Sure. But right now there's zero articles out there saying he does.

 
TheIronSheik said:
My faith in the CDC is kind of being lost. So yesterday, after it came out that the nurse traveled to Cleveland, they came out and said she should not have traveled. Then, a couple hours later, it was reported that the nurse called the CDC, told them she was sick and had a temperature, and they said it was OK for her to get on that plane.

CDC sure seems to be doing a lot of finger pointing. If I was one of these infected nurses, and I lived, I'd sue the hell out of everyone in the CDC.
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You know, when mission creep goes to studying left-handed obese lesbians who are vegans, it doesn't inspire much confidence.

 
stlrams said:
Harry Manback said:
And he's not an aid worker, but keep spreading misinformation.

"The university’s school of public health said in a letter to students and staff Monday that the doctoral students did not have contact with Ebola patients or health care providers treating those with the deadly disease."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newsdesk/2014/10/16/report-possible-ebola-case-at-yale-new-haven-hospital/

But again, don't let me or my facts stop your wild speculation and grossly irresponsible statements.
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So what's your address so I can ambulette him and his immediate family over your house for a short stay....
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Good one. I provide actual facts and you resort to poorly veiled tough guy internet threats. Why don't you take a walk?

 
timschochet said:
A few people that increase to 9,000 over a two year period is not the kind of exponential growth that terrifies me. We can easily contain this until we cure it. I'm confident we 'll do both.

I just hate panic and fear mongering. I've been accused of it myself with regard to global warming , but while I think GW is real and serious, I also think that it's solvable and that eventually we will. But recently the public has reacted to both ISIS and Ebola with fear and panic, and in both cases it's an over reaction IMO.
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You obviously haven't done the math Tim. Go do the math (it's doubling every 3-4 weeks) and report back.

It's not panic and fear mongering. The UN said that if it's not contained now, there is no plan for where we are at in 60 days. Are they fear-mongering?

This isn't the tea party and Fox News scaring people.

 
timschochet said:
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Just had Ebola brought up in early meetings here. I work in dental field and we accept incoming cases that could include contaminated from patients. We already disinfect everything coming in, but now must use gloves when opening packages and handling any materials prior to disinfecting.
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remember the powder in mail scare in the days just after 9/11? Reminds me of that.
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Tim, you need to truly go do some research and come back later. You are making yourself look foolish here.

 
Harry Manback said:
stlrams said:
Harry Manback said:
And he's not an aid worker, but keep spreading misinformation.

"The university’s school of public health said in a letter to students and staff Monday that the doctoral students did not have contact with Ebola patients or health care providers treating those with the deadly disease."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newsdesk/2014/10/16/report-possible-ebola-case-at-yale-new-haven-hospital/

But again, don't let me or my facts stop your wild speculation and grossly irresponsible statements.I
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So what's your address so I can ambulette him and his immediate family over your house for a short stay....
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Good one. I provide actual facts and you resort to poorly veiled tough guy internet threats. Why don't you take a walk?
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I'm just calling your bluff. You called me out as fear mongerling, wild speculation, irresponsible statments etc. that a person who just came back from Liberia with ebola like symptoms can't have ebola. Local news in CT reporting definitly Ebola now.......... Go take a walk....

 
Ebola was allowed to enter this country and will continue to as long as there's no ban on travel. I blame Bush.

 
stlrams said:
Harry Manback said:
stlrams said:
Harry Manback said:
And he's not an aid worker, but keep spreading misinformation.

"The university’s school of public health said in a letter to students and staff Monday that the doctoral students did not have contact with Ebola patients or health care providers treating those with the deadly disease."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newsdesk/2014/10/16/report-possible-ebola-case-at-yale-new-haven-hospital/

But again, don't let me or my facts stop your wild speculation and grossly irresponsible statements.I
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So what's your address so I can ambulette him and his immediate family over your house for a short stay....
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Good one. I provide actual facts and you resort to poorly veiled tough guy internet threats. Why don't you take a walk?
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I'm just calling your bluff. You called me out as fear mongerling, wild speculation, irresponsible statments etc. that a person who just came back from Liberia with ebola like symptoms can't have ebola. Local news in CT reporting definitly Ebola now.......... Go take a walk....
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YOU said he had Ebola when it was not reported he did. Just that he has symptoms. Show your work. You still haven't provided a source for this.

I just checked again, every site is reporting he has Ebola-like symptoms, and they are waiting for test results.

You should probably take a walk AND a cold shower. Just to be safe.

 
News reporting it was a Yale Researcher who just came back Monday from Liberia. CDC and Yale University decided not to quarantine. Patient admitted Wednesday night with Ebola like symptoms. News now confirming Ebola.

 
Doug B said:
TheIronSheik said:
CDC guy accompanies Ebola nurse without any protection (hey now!)

I could be wrong, but I think the reason he's not wearing a suit is because that's Joe Paterno and he's already dead.
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Nothing here -- Vinson herself was in a hazmat suit (smart protocol, IMHO), as were her direcet handlers. According to the article, the non-suited guy was keeping some distance so his risk was nil. Again, IMHO.
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Here's my thoughts on this: When you've made so many mistakes in the past month, sometimes you should do things just for PR's sake. Also, still no proof saying it wasn't JoPa's ghost.

 
timschochet said:
A few people that increase to 9,000 over a two year period is not the kind of exponential growth that terrifies me. We can easily contain this until we cure it. I'm confident we 'll do both.

I just hate panic and fear mongering. I've been accused of it myself with regard to global warming , but while I think GW is real and serious, I also think that it's solvable and that eventually we will. But recently the public has reacted to both ISIS and Ebola with fear and panic, and in both cases it's an over reaction IMO.
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If we start taking action to contain it. The CDC's response so far seems to be more concerned with telling us this isn't a really big deal, then actually proactively working to contain this thing. I don't think it is time to panic, but I think there should be serious concern with how the CDC seems to be operating thus far in this crisis. They are not instilling confidence which is the thing that will most likely start a panic.

 
stlrams said:
News reporting it was a Yale Researcher who just came back Monday from Liberia. CDC and Yale University decided not to quarantine. Patient admitted Wednesday night with Ebola like symptoms. News now confirming Ebola.
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Do you have a link? Not doubting you at all. But any article I see says they are confirming that he has Ebola-LIKE symptoms.

 
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