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First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.

 
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know? Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man! I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see... Uh-huh... pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man! Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em! COL' got to be! Y'know?
:lol: I think you are confusing the eboniacs with the eboliacs. Homeboy.
That's jive, not ebonics.

You racist.

 
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know? Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man! I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see... Uh-huh... pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man! Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em! COL' got to be! Y'know?
:lol: I think you are confusing the eboniacs with the eboliacs. Homeboy.
That's jive, not ebonics.

You racist.
Jive... Ebonics.... they all look the same to me.

 
ntz08 said:
I might believe that if the protocols for doing research on the virus weren't so strict. If it is so difficult to transmit the virus you wouldn't need such strict protocols to just do research on a contained virus:

Ebola is BSL4. Read the protocols needed to work with the virus. Do you really think the average hospital has the infrastructure to do what the CDC requires for a lab?

http://www.cdc.gov/biosafety/publications/bmbl5/bmbl5_sect_iv.pdf
I'm not sure why you're expecting hospitals to have this level of containment and equipment. They're serving a completely different function than a laboratory that is studying the pathogen. A large focus of BSL4 is the airborne transmission component. Ebola is not airborne
No they are serving the exact same function when it comes to preventing the spread of the virus outside of a contained zone.

In one case (the lab) the virus is stored and handled in a very specific manner. The protocols for going inside and out of that lab are failsafes layered on top of failsafes layered on top of failsafes.

In the other (the hospital), the virus can get splashed everywhere. It can be left in the waiting area, on floors, bathrooms, and many, many other places before even getting to a contained area. Then, once in this area, there are very few failsafes (comparatively) in place and nothing on the level as what is considered necessary to handle the virus safely.

I am not saying that there is going to be a big outbreak - however, the current situation should be taken much more seriously because we don't have the infrastructure to handle a big outbreak. The average hospital can't handle ebola patients.

If we had the infrastructure, training, and knowledge to handle a large outbreak there wouldn't be nurses getting sick and they hopping on an airline.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
I think a lot of people feel the same way. I don't think all of this talk about Ebola is because of one case in the US. We've been talking about this for months, way before it came to the US. The problem has always been that we need to get it under control in Africa so it doesn't keep spreading to other countries.
Maybe, but look at the percent of this thread that has happened since the Duncan stuff. More than 2/3 of this particular thread have been in the last 2 weeks and I think that shows us that the cases here are making a lot more of an impression than the thousands in Africa have.

 
First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.
Hey but no worries in the US says one poster here, until about 100 cases show up. Unless you are a healthcare worker of any kind or a friend/family of someone who could or has it, no worries for the rest of us! Now mind you I'm not worrying out here in CA but it doesn't take long for things like this to become an epidemic. Had that nurse that was given the ok to fly after calling the CDC with a low grade fever gotten really sick on the flight and accidentally threw up or something to that effect on someone, can you imagine? People around her got lucky that she got flown to Emory while still being in the mild stage.

I work in healthcare too, surgery scheduler, and we have zero training either. If hospital staff aren't getting it, I doubt dr office staff will any time soon.

 
First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.
Hey but no worries in the US says one poster here, until about 100 cases show up. Unless you are a healthcare worker of any kind or a friend/family of someone who could or has it, no worries for the rest of us! Now mind you I'm not worrying out here in CA but it doesn't take long for things like this to become an epidemic. Had that nurse that was given the ok to fly after calling the CDC with a low grade fever gotten really sick on the flight and accidentally threw up or something to that effect on someone, can you imagine? People around her got lucky that she got flown to Emory while still being in the mild stage.

I work in healthcare too, surgery scheduler, and we have zero training either. If hospital staff aren't getting it, I doubt dr office staff will any time soon.
have you asked your employer for training?

 
First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.
Hey but no worries in the US says one poster here, until about 100 cases show up. Unless you are a healthcare worker of any kind or a friend/family of someone who could or has it, no worries for the rest of us! Now mind you I'm not worrying out here in CA but it doesn't take long for things like this to become an epidemic. Had that nurse that was given the ok to fly after calling the CDC with a low grade fever gotten really sick on the flight and accidentally threw up or something to that effect on someone, can you imagine? People around her got lucky that she got flown to Emory while still being in the mild stage.

I work in healthcare too, surgery scheduler, and we have zero training either. If hospital staff aren't getting it, I doubt dr office staff will any time soon.
have you asked your employer for training?
lol. We barely got training on OSHA. For years we had none when we asked over and over. They gave us enough info in their minds to deal with things, but by law you have to provide formal training. It costs money which even though they make a ton, they are cheap. Then they got caught and then we had the formal training. Ebola has been discussed and is on the list. lol. I guess we wait until a case shows up in CA and even then who knows. It's not cheap and many dr practices are. If hospitals aren't putting up the costs for the formal full training, you think dr offices will? We barely get training for our jobs....

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
I think a lot of people feel the same way. I don't think all of this talk about Ebola is because of one case in the US. We've been talking about this for months, way before it came to the US. The problem has always been that we need to get it under control in Africa so it doesn't keep spreading to other countries.
Maybe, but look at the percent of this thread that has happened since the Duncan stuff. More than 2/3 of this particular thread have been in the last 2 weeks and I think that shows us that the cases here are making a lot more of an impression than the thousands in Africa have.
Well, of course they will. I'm not saying it's right, but something in our own backyard will always get more attention than something on the other side of the world.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.
I think the whole "mutate to become airborne" is a bunch of junk. First of all, airborne is tough to define. I personally think it's possible, but extremely unlikely, to get ebola through the air right now. But it would take being in reasonable proximity to someone with ebola. But I can't prove it, and I think the fact that the CDC has people in masks is proof that we aren't 100% sure.

But I have heard some doctors talking about other mutations that would make this outbreak far worse, and that are more possible.

For instance, if Ebola has a 50% kill rate, and a mutation dropped the rate to 40%, while lengthening the amount of time the patients are sick, the disease would become more contagious.

 
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I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.
I think the whole "mutate to become airborne" is a bunch of junk. First of all, airborne is tough to define. I personally think it's possible, but extremely unlikely, to get ebola through the air right now. But it would take being in reasonable proximity to someone with ebola. But I can't prove it, and I think the fact that the CDC has people in masks is proof that we aren't 100% sure.

But I have heard some doctors talking about other mutations that would make this outbreak far worse, and that are more possible.

For instance, if Ebola has a 50% kill rate, and a mutation dropped the rate to 40%, while lengthening the amount of time the patients are sick, the disease would become more contagious.
I could buy some of that. I just think the odds of the current infection going on in the US amounting to anything are very very low. Who knows what the future holds especially if the outbreak in Africa is not contained.

I think right now the kill rate of the current strain is at 70% though. I know 70% to 60% would amount to about the same thing anyway.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.
I think the whole "mutate to become airborne" is a bunch of junk. First of all, airborne is tough to define. I personally think it's possible, but extremely unlikely, to get ebola through the air right now. But it would take being in reasonable proximity to someone with ebola. But I can't prove it, and I think the fact that the CDC has people in masks is proof that we aren't 100% sure.

But I have heard some doctors talking about other mutations that would make this outbreak far worse, and that are more possible.

For instance, if Ebola has a 50% kill rate, and a mutation dropped the rate to 40%, while lengthening the amount of time the patients are sick, the disease would become more contagious.
I could buy some of that. I just think the odds of the current infection going on in the US amounting to anything are very very low. Who knows what the future holds especially if the outbreak in Africa is not contained.

I think right now the kill rate of the current strain is at 70% though. I know 70% to 60% would amount to about the same thing anyway.
I'm with you. This thing has broken out in Africa a number of times, and they've been able to squash it. If the only ebola cases in the world were the 2 in Texas, than I wouldn't be worried at all.

But Africa is the major problem.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.
I think the whole "mutate to become airborne" is a bunch of junk. First of all, airborne is tough to define. I personally think it's possible, but extremely unlikely, to get ebola through the air right now. But it would take being in reasonable proximity to someone with ebola. But I can't prove it, and I think the fact that the CDC has people in masks is proof that we aren't 100% sure.

But I have heard some doctors talking about other mutations that would make this outbreak far worse, and that are more possible.

For instance, if Ebola has a 50% kill rate, and a mutation dropped the rate to 40%, while lengthening the amount of time the patients are sick, the disease would become more contagious.
I could buy some of that. I just think the odds of the current infection going on in the US amounting to anything are very very low. Who knows what the future holds especially if the outbreak in Africa is not contained.

I think right now the kill rate of the current strain is at 70% though. I know 70% to 60% would amount to about the same thing anyway.
I'm with you. This thing has broken out in Africa a number of times, and they've been able to squash it. If the only ebola cases in the world were the 2 in Texas, than I wouldn't be worried at all.

But Africa is the major problem.
There's at least one in Spain and I believe one in Germany, too.

 
Didn't realize Nina is being flown to NIH, one of the only 4 places in the US with the proper full set up for Ebola. Seems that Dallas hospital couldn't handle it and moved her to prepare better for the possible next case.

It's not just drilling/training one time forever. With OSHA we have to review periodically to keep informed and updated.

 
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know? Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man! I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see... Uh-huh... pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man! Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em! COL' got to be! Y'know?
:lol: I think you are confusing the eboniacs with the eboliacs. Homeboy.
That's jive, not ebonics.

You racist.
Jive... Ebonics.... they all look the same to me.
I don't see dialects, I only see the letters that comprise the words.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.
I think the whole "mutate to become airborne" is a bunch of junk. First of all, airborne is tough to define. I personally think it's possible, but extremely unlikely, to get ebola through the air right now. But it would take being in reasonable proximity to someone with ebola. But I can't prove it, and I think the fact that the CDC has people in masks is proof that we aren't 100% sure.

But I have heard some doctors talking about other mutations that would make this outbreak far worse, and that are more possible.

For instance, if Ebola has a 50% kill rate, and a mutation dropped the rate to 40%, while lengthening the amount of time the patients are sick, the disease would become more contagious.
I could buy some of that. I just think the odds of the current infection going on in the US amounting to anything are very very low. Who knows what the future holds especially if the outbreak in Africa is not contained.

I think right now the kill rate of the current strain is at 70% though. I know 70% to 60% would amount to about the same thing anyway.
I'm with you. This thing has broken out in Africa a number of times, and they've been able to squash it. If the only ebola cases in the world were the 2 in Texas, than I wouldn't be worried at all.

But Africa is the major problem.
There's at least one in Spain and I believe one in Germany, too.
The worst outbreak on record prior to this one had 425 confirmed cases (not deaths). We're at 9,000 and counting.

 
ntz08 said:
I might believe that if the protocols for doing research on the virus weren't so strict. If it is so difficult to transmit the virus you wouldn't need such strict protocols to just do research on a contained virus:

Ebola is BSL4. Read the protocols needed to work with the virus. Do you really think the average hospital has the infrastructure to do what the CDC requires for a lab?

http://www.cdc.gov/biosafety/publications/bmbl5/bmbl5_sect_iv.pdf
I'm not sure why you're expecting hospitals to have this level of containment and equipment. They're serving a completely different function than a laboratory that is studying the pathogen. A large focus of BSL4 is the airborne transmission component. Ebola is not airborne
No they are serving the exact same function when it comes to preventing the spread of the virus outside of a contained zone.

In one case (the lab) the virus is stored and handled in a very specific manner. The protocols for going inside and out of that lab are failsafes layered on top of failsafes layered on top of failsafes.

In the other (the hospital), the virus can get splashed everywhere. It can be left in the waiting area, on floors, bathrooms, and many, many other places before even getting to a contained area. Then, once in this area, there are very few failsafes (comparatively) in place and nothing on the level as what is considered necessary to handle the virus safely.

I am not saying that there is going to be a big outbreak - however, the current situation should be taken much more seriously because we don't have the infrastructure to handle a big outbreak. The average hospital can't handle ebola patients.

If we had the infrastructure, training, and knowledge to handle a large outbreak there wouldn't be nurses getting sick and they hopping on an airline.
Sorry, but this is an overly simplistic view of the situation. There are about 13 BSL4 facilities in the US Most of these facilities are in academia, not clinical settings. Clearly these are serving different functions and purposes.

And obviously, there only 1 or maybe two BSL4 labs in Africa and they aren't in any of the countries where the outbreaks have taken place and ultimately have been contained.

Thousands of aid/healthcare workers have treated and cared for infected patients without becoming infected, all without a BSL4 on site. When dealing with any hazard, there are levels of mitigation. Expecting the same engineering controls in even a small number of US hospitals is just naive.

Isolation of patients, and extensive training on the proper use of PPE have been proven effective for treating and containing ebola in much less ideal conditions that your average US hospital.

 
Walked by the breakroom. FauxNews is in full Ebola panic mode. Crawl at the bottom

"Liberia requests 80,000 more body bags to deal with Ebola crisis"

 
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Walked by the breakroom. FauxNews is in full Ebola panic mode. Crawl at the bottom

"Liberia requests 80,000 more body bags to deal with Ebola crisis"
I'm shocked.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-outbreak-liberia-needs-79-940-more-body-bags-n226346fear mongers
Stupid FoxNews.
I assure you my disdain is not reserved just for Fox.

 
First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.
Now mind you I'm not worrying out here in CA...
LOL. That's exactly what my ex-wife said to me last night. Now it's potentially in our back yard.
 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.
I think the whole "mutate to become airborne" is a bunch of junk. First of all, airborne is tough to define. I personally think it's possible, but extremely unlikely, to get ebola through the air right now. But it would take being in reasonable proximity to someone with ebola. But I can't prove it, and I think the fact that the CDC has people in masks is proof that we aren't 100% sure.

But I have heard some doctors talking about other mutations that would make this outbreak far worse, and that are more possible.

For instance, if Ebola has a 50% kill rate, and a mutation dropped the rate to 40%, while lengthening the amount of time the patients are sick, the disease would become more contagious.
I could buy some of that. I just think the odds of the current infection going on in the US amounting to anything are very very low. Who knows what the future holds especially if the outbreak in Africa is not contained.

I think right now the kill rate of the current strain is at 70% though. I know 70% to 60% would amount to about the same thing anyway.
I'm with you. This thing has broken out in Africa a number of times, and they've been able to squash it. If the only ebola cases in the world were the 2 in Texas, than I wouldn't be worried at all.

But Africa is the major problem.
There's at least one in Spain and I believe one in Germany, too.
The worst outbreak on record prior to this one had 425 confirmed cases (not deaths). We're at 9,000 and counting.
Actually we are likely not. We are elsewhere but no one knows exactly where. The 9,000 number is comprised by confirmed, probable and suspected cases

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29628481

How many people have died from Ebola in West Africa?

It sounds an easy question, but the answer is certainly not.

The most recent official figure from the World Health Organization puts the number of deaths at 4,493.

But 12,000 could be a better estimate. Getting to this figure highlights a number of issues with the Ebola data.

How many cases?

First of all there is a fair bit of uncertainty about how many people have Ebola.

The ones we know about stand at 8,997 - this is made up of confirmed, suspected and probable cases.

WHO Classification Criteria Confirmed

A probable or suspected case is classified as confirmed when a sample from that person tests positive for Ebola virus in the laboratory.

Probable

Any suspected case evaluated by a clinician OR any person who died from "suspected" Ebola and had an epidemiological link to a confirmed case but was not tested and did not have laboratory confirmation of the disease.

Suspected

Any person, alive or dead, who has (or had) sudden onset of high fever and had contact with a suspected, probable or confirmed Ebola case, or a dead or sick animal. Or any person with sudden onset of high fever and at least three other Ebola symptoms.
However, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have some of the worst-funded healthcare systems in the world.

We know people are contracting the disease, and dying from it, without being noticed.

Based on small trials, agencies including the WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control are taking an "educated guess" that the figure is around twice that.

The widely reported estimate of 10,000 cases per week by December uses this doubling to account for under-reporting.

"We get that because 5,000 is the midpoint of our modelling scenarios and if we allow for under-reporting [by a factor of two] then that's 10,000," said Dr Christopher Dye, the director of strategy in the office of the director general at the WHO.

Use the same principle and the number of cases now could be around 18,000.

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Ebola holding centre in Monrovia, Liberia
What is the death rate?

Looking at the official figures again - 8,997 cases and 4,493 deaths - you might think that roughly half of patients die.

"This is wrong," Dr Dye told me.

The data is, quite frankly, a bit of a mess.

Take the WHO Ebola response roadmap update on 10 October. It has more confirmed deaths in Liberia from Ebola (1,072) than actual cases (943).

This confusing set of figures comes about by collecting data on cases and deaths separately.

Also, comparing current cases and current deaths does not take account of people living with the disease for some time before either dying or recovering.

What you need is quality data and the best comes from a report in the New England Journal of Medicine.

A team, including scientists at Imperial College London, looked at a sub-set of patients with full medical records from diagnosis through to either recovery or death.

Dr Dye told the BBC: "On the basis of this analysis, our best estimate is a 60-70% case fatality and it's sensible to use a range as there are variations from one place to another."

Use the 70% figure on the 18,000 estimated cases and it seems around 12,000 are either dead or dying.

Clearly that is not a definitive figure, but getting there shows how messy some of the data are.

And this is the same basic data being used to reach forecasts of 1.4 million cases by January or 10,000 new cases a week by December.
 
First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.
Now mind you I'm not worrying out here in CA...
LOL. That's exactly what my ex-wife said to me last night. Now it's potentially in our back yard.
wheres your back yard?

 
Can you imagine what's going to happen when the flu hits? There are going to be thousands hospitalized with Ebola-like symptoms.

They need to come up with a quicker, faster, easier test.

 
Walked by the breakroom. FauxNews is in full Ebola panic mode. Crawl at the bottom

"Liberia requests 80,000 more body bags to deal with Ebola crisis"
I'm traveling out of the country and the only channels the hotel has in English are CNN International and Fox News. Both are unwatchable. They are pretty much on a loop of the same 1 minute of actual news with Fox mixing in some political stuff while CNN just repeats itself over and over again. If anyone spends more than 20 minutes watching that I could see it messing with your head.

On a side note saw the morning Fox and Friends. The Steve Doosey cohost guy can't be for real no one is that big of a schmuck. I'm sure the boatloads of cash helps a lot but dear lord.

 
Walked by the breakroom. FauxNews is in full Ebola panic mode. Crawl at the bottom

"Liberia requests 80,000 more body bags to deal with Ebola crisis"
I'm traveling out of the country and the only channels the hotel has in English are CNN International and Fox News. Both are unwatchable. They are pretty much on a loop of the same 1 minute of actual news with Fox mixing in some political stuff while CNN just repeats itself over and over again. If anyone spends more than 20 minutes watching that I could see it messing with your head.

On a side note saw the morning Fox and Friends. The Steve Doosey cohost guy can't be for real no one is that big of a schmuck. I'm sure the boatloads of cash helps a lot but dear lord.
Sometimes hotels also have bbc news world. I think they are on a three minute loop ;)

 
Walked by the breakroom. FauxNews is in full Ebola panic mode. Crawl at the bottom

"Liberia requests 80,000 more body bags to deal with Ebola crisis"
I'm shocked.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-outbreak-liberia-needs-79-940-more-body-bags-n226346

fear mongers
The media is ridiculous. Every time I turn around I get hit by the media's hard-on over this story.
Yeah that's ridiculous. Except for the fact that there will be 100,000 cases in Liberia in about 2 months if it's not stopped quickly.

 
I'm not going to eat any Liberian food in protest of the Ebola outbreak.
I'm ***Officially *** boycotting fruit bat soup in protest against the ebola outbreak

:X
Dude - remember that Halloween is in 2 weeks!
I support the quarantine of anyone who thinks their ebola-themed Halloween costume is clever.
But mine is laderhosen and a big horn with blood and puke on it. EEEEEEEEEEEEE-BOL-AAAAAAAA!

 
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SHIZNITTTT said:


This is an inside story from some registered nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas who have familiarity with what occurred at the hospital following the positive Ebola infection of first the late Thomas Eric Duncan and then a registered nurse who cared for him Nina Pham.

The RNs contacted National Nurses United out of frustration with a lack of training and preparation. They are choosing to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation.

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This is scary #### right here...
As i said. Unprepared. This is basically any hospital if they got this patient

 
Walked by the breakroom. FauxNews is in full Ebola panic mode. Crawl at the bottom

"Liberia requests 80,000 more body bags to deal with Ebola crisis"
I'm traveling out of the country and the only channels the hotel has in English are CNN International and Fox News. Both are unwatchable. They are pretty much on a loop of the same 1 minute of actual news with Fox mixing in some political stuff while CNN just repeats itself over and over again. If anyone spends more than 20 minutes watching that I could see it messing with your head.

On a side note saw the morning Fox and Friends. The Steve Doosey cohost guy can't be for real no one is that big of a schmuck. I'm sure the boatloads of cash helps a lot but dear lord.
He's really that big of a schmuck
 

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