Ebola (2 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

And he's not an aid worker, but keep spreading misinformation.

"The universitys school of public health said in a letter to students and staff Monday that the doctoral students did not have contact with Ebola patients or health care providers treating those with the deadly disease."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newsdesk/2014/10/16/report-possible-ebola-case-at-yale-new-haven-hospital/

But again, don't let me or my facts stop your wild speculation and grossly irresponsible statements.

Pretty sure this has been said but.....you dont have to have direct contact with anyone to catch ebola.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Do you think that the walking dead can somehow work the Ebola angle into an episode or 2?

 

[Bucky86]

#### JUST GOT REAL

 

[Bucky86]

I'M PANICKING

 

[Ignoramus]

I'm not going to eat any Liberian food in protest of the Ebola outbreak.

I'm ***Officially *** boycotting fruit bat soup in protest against the ebola outbreak :X

Dude - remember that Halloween is in 2 weeks!

I support the quarantine of anyone who thinks their ebola-themed Halloween costume is clever.

But mine is laderhosen and a big horn with blood and puke on it. EEEEEEEEEEEEE-BOL-AAAAAAAA!

 

[cstu]

Prostitutes and strippers have to be concerned about their job security these days.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

#### JUST GOT REAL

See, Spain's version of the CDC is just as bad as ours.

"The ambulance carried Romero on October 6 from her home to the Alcorcon hospital, where she was diagnosed with the Ebola virus. The ambulance then continued its service before officials realized it had to be decontaminated, the source said."

 

[Bucky86]

#### JUST GOT REAL

See, Spain's version of the CDC is just as bad as ours.

"The ambulance carried Romero on October 6 from her home to the Alcorcon hospital, where she was diagnosed with the Ebola virus. The ambulance then continued its service before officials realized it had to be decontaminated, the source said."

Obviously Obama's fault.

 

[Milkman]

#### JUST GOT REAL

See, Spain's version of the CDC is just as bad as ours.

"The ambulance carried Romero on October 6 from her home to the Alcorcon hospital, where she was diagnosed with the Ebola virus. The ambulance then continued its service before officials realized it had to be decontaminated, the source said."

Obviously Obama's fault.

Dammit you beat me to it.

 

[bagger]

I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.

It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.

http://www.businessinsider.com/will-ebola-go-airborne-2014-10

We have never seen a virus change the way it has been transmitted according to the article I posted. At least since we have been studying viruses.

My guess is that means it's pretty unlikely that it will become airborne. Especially in our lifetimes.

because we are all about to die?

 

[Josie Maran]

#### JUST GOT REAL

See, Spain's version of the CDC is just as bad as ours."The ambulance carried Romero on October 6 from her home to the Alcorcon hospital, where she was diagnosed with the Ebola virus. The ambulance then continued its service before officials realized it had to be decontaminated, the source said."

You know ambulances aren't disposable, right?

 

[T Bell]

####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.

####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.

Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.

Staffer goes back to work at school.

Ebola school closes amid fears.

wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.

And now it's at my front door.


It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.

Just wait 'til Kevin Bacon comes down with this ####.

 

[Doug B]

Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne?

I don't believe that viruses mutate in this way. Don't know that for a stone-cold fact, but I don't believe it has happened.

 

[Milkman]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

 

[joffer]

Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne?

I don't believe that viruses mutate in this way. Don't know that for a stone-cold fact, but I don't believe it has happened.

That, and we're not in a movie

 

[joffer]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

Even Kevin Spacey?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Great thread, guys.

 

[Milkman]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

Even Kevin Spacey?

Laugh all you want. When your bung hole starts bleeding don't come crying to me.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Isn't Duncan's family out of quarantine this weekend?

 

[Tom Skerritt]

And if you guys want to read a great book...

The Plague by Camus. Not the easiest read, but can give you a sense of an entire town under quarantine.

 

[joffer]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

Even Kevin Spacey?

Laugh all you want. When your bung hole starts bleeding don't come crying to me.

great so now people are going to get Ebola symptoms after eating Taco Bell? Oh the humanity....

 

[McGarnicle]

Hey sorry for not posting much this week you guys. I have died of Ebola, and wifi sucks here. ####### unbearably hot too.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Reading this thread is making me symptomatic.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Thread is basically unreadable. There two sides of stupid here. Over-paranoid & over-passive. Just like all things, there is a middle ground here.

I think a travel ban is a good idea to prevent any real possibilities here, but that doesn't get to the core of this issue. Until the spread in Africa is slowed, the danger will still be present. Africa needs an international response with supplies and assistance.

Unfortunately the real dangers appear that it isn't just is who are unprepared to handle this.

Sorry for talking rationally, I know that isn't what this thread is about.

 

[shader]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

Yeah we probably all have it

 

[Doug B]

#### JUST GOT REAL

I think this is a hoax site. When I pulled up this link, another site's symbol popped up on the tab before the CNN symbol showed up.

Also, I can't find this page through searching through the CNN front page search box.

 

[Fennis]

I like this thread

 

[Doug B]

Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne?

I don't believe that viruses mutate in this way. Don't know that for a stone-cold fact, but I don't believe it has happened.

That, and we're not in a movie

Scientific American, 9/16/2014:

Fact or Fiction?: The Ebola Virus Will Go Airborne

But interviews with several infectious diseases experts reveal that whereas such a mutation—or more likely series of mutations—might physically be possible, it’s highly unlikely. In fact, there’s almost no historical precedent for any virus to change its basic mode of transmission so radically. “We have so many problems with Ebola, let’s not make another one that, of course, is theoretically possible but is pretty way down on the list of likely issues," says infectious diseases expert William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University. "Everything that is happening now can easily be comprehensively explained by person-to-person spread via body contact. We don’t have to invoke anything else.”

Here is what it would take for it to become a real airborne risk: First off, a substantial amount of Ebola virus would need to start replicating in cells that reside in the throat, the bronchial tubes and possibly in the lungs. Second, the airborne method would have to be so much more efficient than the current extremely efficient means of transmission that it would overcome any genetic costs to the virus stemming from the mutation itself. Substantial natural hurdles make it unlikely that either event will occur.

Currently, Ebola typically gains entry into the body through breaks in the skin, the watery fluid around the eye or the moist tissues of the nose or mouth. Then it infects various cells of the immune system, which it tricks into making more copies of itself. The end result: a massive attack on the blood vessels, not the respiratory system.

Even viruses that are well adapted to attacking the respiratory system often have a hard time getting transmitted through the airways. Consider the experience so far with avian flu, which is easily transmitted through the air in birds but hasn’t yet mutated to become easily spreadable in that fashion among people.

What's the hold-up? “The difficulty is that those [flu] viruses don’t have the protein attachments that can actually attach to cells in the upper airway. They have to develop attachments to do that,” Schaffner says. So even if a virus were exhaled, it would need to lodge onto something in another person’s cells that are already prepared for it in the upper airway. “Since the virus doesn’t have attachment factors that can work in the upper airway, it’s very rare for it to go human to human, and then it almost always stops and doesn’t get to a third person,” Schaffner notes. Similarly for Ebola, the virus would have to develop attachments that would allow it to easily attach receptors in the upper respiratory pathway—something that neither it (nor any of its viral cousins) has been known to do in the wild.

And yet Ebola already spreads very easily without such mutations. The delicate lock-and-key protein–virus fit required for the virus to successfully latch onto and replicate in the airway has not developed because there is no evolutionary pressure for it to do so; it simply would not be an efficient option. Epidemiologists can take some comfort in that.

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The incident that put the specter of airborne Ebola on the map was chronicled in the book The Hot Zone, wherein, in 1989, the virus was apparently spread via the air from monkey to monkey (although it did not make the leap to humans working in the lab). But experts have subsequently wondered if that lone circumstance of primate-to-primate air transmission was fueled by the lab setting and man-made systems. As Osterholm notes in his piece, in 2012 researchers found that a strain of Ebola was spread from pigs to nonhuman primates via the air in a different lab setting. The virus, however, did not then spread from monkey-to-monkey in those circumstances.

 

[msommer]

#### JUST GOT REAL

I think this is a hoax site. When I pulled up this link, another site's symbol popped up on the tab before the CNN symbol showed up.

Also, I can't find this page through searching through the CNN front page search box.

I've found it mentioned on two separate sites (in Portuguese, but respected news media, Globo and Exame) that another person that has been on contact with the Spanish nurse has been hospitalized with symptoms in Madrid. It was not mentioned in either case what the connection was. Associated Press was cited. Spanish media is now confirming the ambulance story.

Also in Madrid a Nigerian coming on a flight from Liberia is now in hospital under observation after having shown symptoms (fever and shaking) on the flight. The plane is being decontaminated in a separate area of Madrid airport. The other 163 passengers and crew are isolated while tests are being carried out

ETA: Two more people have been put in isolation, another missionary from the order that the first Spanish victim was a member of, and who returned this weekend from Sierra Leone and who was already under observation and the last one in Tenerife who was also under observation already.

 

[cstu]

Also in Madrid a Nigerian coming on a flight from Liberia is now in hospital under observation after having shown symptoms (fever and shaking) on the flight. The plane is being decontaminated in a separate area of Madrid airport. The other 163 passengers and crew are isolated while tests are being carried out

Nigerian, please go back to Liberia.

 

[cstu]

Here's one thing that does scare me:

- ISIS sends someone to Liberia to catch the ebola

- The person flies to the U.S. to hide out during the incubation period

- Once the infected person gets sick another ISIS member collects infected mucus and starts traveling around the country spreading it

- People will be contracting it for weeks before showing symptoms. Once they do show symptoms people won't immediate think it's ebola inadvertently spread it to other people.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here's one thing that does scare me:

- ISIS sends someone to Liberia to catch the ebola

- The person flies to the U.S. to hide out during the incubation period

- Once the infected person gets sick another ISIS member collects infected mucus and starts traveling around the country spreading it

- People will be contracting it for weeks before showing symptoms. Once they do show symptoms people won't immediate think it's ebola inadvertently spread it to other people.

Hell, an infected person with a suicide vest could spread the disease pretty effectively at a mall on a saturday - assuming the virus would survive the blast

 

[CurlyNight]

First off, I too heard this morning on the radio that there was a confirmed Ebola case at Yale New Haven. The media is now screwing up as much as everyone else.

But check this out - my ex wife works at a hospital a couple town over from New Haven. She works front desk admissions and interacts directly with the sick patients coming in to the hospital. You know how much training she has had on Ebola? ZERO. The only thing close to training she has received was an email sent to employees this morning pointing them to an old procedures document on infectious diseases.

This is a hospital about 15 miles from Yale. No training, and no clue about what to do if a potential Ebola case walks through the door.

Now mind you I'm not worrying out here in CA...

LOL. That's exactly what my ex-wife said to me last night. Now it's potentially in our back yard.

Yeah, I mean not worrying meaning not losing sleep or thinking about me personally. I do feel for those who live in Dallas and other places where these patients have been in contact with. Even if you know the chances and how it is currently spread, it still would be scary thinking you could have been exposed if only that person had possibly even sneezed on you. I don't mean airborne. When you cough and sneeze, minute amounts of "bodily fluids" does come out.

Just the experience of being quarantined just in case has got to be emotionally draining.

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.

I think a lot of people feel the same way. I don't think all of this talk about Ebola is because of one case in the US. We've been talking about this for months, way before it came to the US. The problem has always been that we need to get it under control in Africa so it doesn't keep spreading to other countries.

Yeah. And of course it is unlikely it spreads like crazy, but people got their head in the sand if they think there is nothing to worry about.

 

[CurlyNight]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

Yeah we probably all have it

It isn't considered an airborne disease, but do you really trust the government? I'm talking for real. You think they would come out and say it is possible that it is spread that way as well especially amidst the CDC getting hammered about the oops they made with the nurse who got on the plane? I wouldn't say this is fear mongering. I'd say it's our government so if it ever came out they covered this possibility up, I'll be the last one surprised.

Anyone see HLN earlier today where they said only 1/3 of the beds at that Dallas hospital are filled. More financial problems could be had at the hospital if Duncan's family choses to sue for stupidity when they sent him home....

 

[CurlyNight]

And of course it needs to be stopped at the source, in Africa. It's a little out of control over there wouldn't you say for this to happen any time soon? Unless a treatment for it is found and administered, it will be out of control. Better yet, a vaccine, but they are saying they are a few years away from that possibility. In the meanwhile, the death toll over there is just heart breaking and will continue to rise.

 

[njherdfan]

Thread is basically unreadable. There two sides of stupid here. Over-paranoid & over-passive. Just like all things, there is a middle ground here.

I think a travel ban is a good idea to prevent any real possibilities here, but that doesn't get to the core of this issue. Until the spread in Africa is slowed, the danger will still be present. Africa needs an international response with supplies and assistance.

Unfortunately the real dangers appear that it isn't just is who are unprepared to handle this.

Sorry for talking rationally, I know that isn't what this thread is about.

Wouldn't the international response involve.....travel to Africa?

 

[Josie Maran]

They still don't know how the nurse treating Duncan got it. It could already be airborne. Hell we could all have it and not know it yet with 21 day incubation time.

Yeah we probably all have it

It isn't considered an airborne disease, but do you really trust the government? I'm talking for real. You think they would come out and say it is possible that it is spread that way as well especially amidst the CDC getting hammered about the oops they made with the nurse who got on the plane? I wouldn't say this is fear mongering. I'd say it's our government so if it ever came out they covered this possibility up, I'll be the last one surprised.....

 

[matuski]

Mrs SB works in healthcare and just flew to :drumroll: Cleveland this Sunday.

That's nothing... I live in Cleveland and I am flying to Dallas on Monday for a week....... not that I am a healthcare worker or anything, but needless to say the wife is um.. not pleased.

That is nothing, I work in the Dallas Presby OR all the time. Have been there several times the last couple weeks. Will be there again tomorrow.

Should I panic?

Lunch? Wanna hit 1050 for lunch w/ me and uni?

I am possibly meeting with a perfusionist from Presby for lunch.. only penciled in though. What time?

Good news, in and out of ground zero. I am sweating profusely right now and have an elevated body temp.. dunno if I'm sick or perhaps because I just worked out.

If I'm still here next week the ebola cornhole can happen then.

 

[ntz08]

you can always rely on the ffa to be the microcosm of idiocy and ignorance that's out there in the real world.

 

[timschochet]

And of course it needs to be stopped at the source, in Africa. It's a little out of control over there wouldn't you say for this to happen any time soon? Unless a treatment for it is found and administered, it will be out of control. Better yet, a vaccine, but they are saying they are a few years away from that possibility. In the meanwhile, the death toll over there is just heart breaking and will continue to rise.

Heartbreaking? The death toll is 4,000 so far. I'm sad for those people and their loved ones, but the death toll for AIDS in Africa is 1.7 million a year! Not mention all of the other diseases that kill hundreds of thousands of Africans every year along with famine. People are losing all perspective over this.

 

[Guest]

Okay, it looks like I have to be a voice of reason. This is very sad. Only three known Us transmissions were related to close exposure to large volumes of boldly secretions from a patient fully presenting symptoms. Unless there is major suppression of information or a mutation, this points to a strain that can be contained eventually by Key Stone Cops. And good thing.

We'll know soon enough is this is more tranmitable, but signs at that despite pathetic lack of protocols it's not as easy to catch as most imagine.

Still needs an aggressive response early on, but it's not the "it's coming from the vents" situation most imagine.

I'm still traveling several times a week for work and in street clothes, no latex anywhere.

 

[CurlyNight]

So a nurse from that Dallas hospital is talking about how they were "trained" and what they were given to wear. She's saying her neck was completely exposed while other areas were covered in 2 or 3 layers and the hospital just said the gear is on order. It's 2 weeks later in the crisis and rather than get it in asap they have it on order. Seems some hospitals are like dr offices as we hear that a lot too... it's on order, it's on the list. Only most of the stuff we ask for is not a life and death thing. This is amazing even for those of us in the field to hear, or maybe not.

Poor gal. Seems this is the reason Nina got ebola and here she was in the same get up treating Nina.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Apologies if this has already been posted, but this was a pretty refreshing voice of reason from Fox News courtesy of Shep Smith

Link

 

[Parrothead]

Apologies if this has already been posted, but this was a pretty refreshing voice of reason from Fox News courtesy of Shep Smith

Link

oh great, now all the leftys are going to go hammy on us now that their nemesis is preaching the truth.. greaaaaat..

 

[Sinn Fein]

Okay, it looks like I have to be a voice of reason. This is very sad. Only three known Us transmissions were related to close exposure to large volumes of boldly secretions from a patient fully presenting symptoms. Unless there is major suppression of information or a mutation, this points to a strain that can be contained eventually by Key Stone Cops. And good thing.

We'll know soon enough is this is more tranmitable, but signs at that despite pathetic lack of protocols it's not as easy to catch as most imagine.

Still needs an aggressive response early on, but it's not the "it's coming from the vents" situation most imagine.

I'm still traveling several times a week for work and in street clothes, no latex anywhere.

Who besides the nutters, ever thought that?

The grossly misinformed, better-to-bunker now crowd, such as yourself has been pushing the hysteria to levels not warranted by the actual threat. You should be ashamed of the number of times you cry wolf - its because of folks like you that no one heeds the advice when a real emergency arises.

 

[Parrothead]

Here's one thing that does scare me:

- ISIS sends someone to Liberia to catch the ebola

- The person flies to the U.S. to hide out during the incubation period

- Once the infected person gets sick another ISIS member collects infected mucus and starts traveling around the country spreading it

- People will be contracting it for weeks before showing symptoms. Once they do show symptoms people won't immediate think it's ebola inadvertently spread it to other people.

it would have to be a hot chick going from bar to bar spreading her fluids over drunk and willing guys.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here's one thing that does scare me:

- ISIS sends someone to Liberia to catch the ebola

- The person flies to the U.S. to hide out during the incubation period

- Once the infected person gets sick another ISIS member collects infected mucus and starts traveling around the country spreading it

- People will be contracting it for weeks before showing symptoms. Once they do show symptoms people won't immediate think it's ebola inadvertently spread it to other people.

it would have to be a hot chick going from bar to bar spreading her fluids over drunk and willing guys.

 

[Milkman]

Here's one thing that does scare me:

- ISIS sends someone to Liberia to catch the ebola

- The person flies to the U.S. to hide out during the incubation period

- Once the infected person gets sick another ISIS member collects infected mucus and starts traveling around the country spreading it

- People will be contracting it for weeks before showing symptoms. Once they do show symptoms people won't immediate think it's ebola inadvertently spread it to other people.

it would have to be a hot chick going from bar to bar spreading her fluids over drunk and willing guys.

Or a john gives it to a bunch of prostitutes and they spread it from there.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Ebola response is emotional, not scientific

I might believe that if the protocols for doing research on the virus weren't so strict. If it is so difficult to transmit the virus you wouldn't need such strict protocols to just do research on a contained virus:

Ebola is BSL4. Read the protocols needed to work with the virus. Do you really think the average hospital has the infrastructure to do what the CDC requires for a lab?

http://www.cdc.gov/biosafety/publications/bmbl5/bmbl5_sect_iv.pdf

I'm not sure why you're expecting hospitals to have this level of containment and equipment. They're serving a completely different function than a laboratory that is studying the pathogen. A large focus of BSL4 is the airborne transmission component. Ebola is not airborne

No they are serving the exact same function when it comes to preventing the spread of the virus outside of a contained zone.

In one case (the lab) the virus is stored and handled in a very specific manner. The protocols for going inside and out of that lab are failsafes layered on top of failsafes layered on top of failsafes.

In the other (the hospital), the virus can get splashed everywhere. It can be left in the waiting area, on floors, bathrooms, and many, many other places before even getting to a contained area. Then, once in this area, there are very few failsafes (comparatively) in place and nothing on the level as what is considered necessary to handle the virus safely.

I am not saying that there is going to be a big outbreak - however, the current situation should be taken much more seriously because we don't have the infrastructure to handle a big outbreak. The average hospital can't handle ebola patients.

If we had the infrastructure, training, and knowledge to handle a large outbreak there wouldn't be nurses getting sick and they hopping on an airline.

Sorry, but this is an overly simplistic view of the situation. There are about 13 BSL4 facilities in the US Most of these facilities are in academia, not clinical settings. Clearly these are serving different functions and purposes.

And obviously, there only 1 or maybe two BSL4 labs in Africa and they aren't in any of the countries where the outbreaks have taken place and ultimately have been contained.

Thousands of aid/healthcare workers have treated and cared for infected patients without becoming infected, all without a BSL4 on site. When dealing with any hazard, there are levels of mitigation. Expecting the same engineering controls in even a small number of US hospitals is just naive.

Isolation of patients, and extensive training on the proper use of PPE have been proven effective for treating and containing ebola in much less ideal conditions that your average US hospital.

1) It is irrelevant if they are in clinical or academic settings - the point is, that Ebola is rated to need that level of security to be safely handled.

2) http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/15/ebola-has-already-killed-more-than-200-doctors-nurses-and-other-healthcare-workers/ lots of healthcare workers are getting infected and dying. So far, it would appear that 5% of the infections and deaths are healthcare workers. It isn't like they are treating patients and not getting infected.

3) I am not expecting hospitals to have BSL4 level containments - but I am also not expecting hospitals to be able to handle a large outbreak either.

4) Yep... very effective. No healthcare workers infected in the US.... no properly trained healthcare workers from the US infected overseas... hardly any healthcare workers infected in general... oh, wait.