Ebola (1 Viewer)

[Bucky86]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

 

[Joe Summer]

If you buy into conspiracy theories here's a good one for you.

The company flying the Ebola victims around the USA is called Phoenix Aviation and they operate a bunch of Gulfstreams and Learjets on government contracts. The have a very special interior for these aircraft with low pressure filters to ensure nothing escapes, special toilets for the patients and more. You can see pictures of this very specific set up here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...jet-transport-ebola-victims-article-1.1977123

The CDC and Dept. of Defense contracted with Phoenix 30 months ago to design this interior. So why did the CDC etc. contract 2 1/2 years ago to have this interior designed? How would they possibly know something like this would be needed?? Also Phoenix have some very specific military contracts with their large fleet of jets, and are suspected of being one of the companies involved in the CIA rendition flights.

"The CDC is incompetent and clueless!""The CDC is diabolical and Machiavellian!"

 

[3C's]

@ the comparisons and situations on pages 46 thru this post. You guys have officially lost it...all of you!

This post is like when the Nazi's invaded France.

The world has turned upside down: Ebola 48 pages vs. Yoga Pants 11 pages.

Quality over quantity. tom needs to divide his posts up some though. Some of those had 8 or so links. I can only take so much in a day.

 

[Parrothead]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

 

[Fennis]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

Sounds like Ghana should quarantine her upon entry,

 

[Rohn Jambo]

If you buy into conspiracy theories here's a good one for you.

The company flying the Ebola victims around the USA is called Phoenix Aviation and they operate a bunch of Gulfstreams and Learjets on government contracts. The have a very special interior for these aircraft with low pressure filters to ensure nothing escapes, special toilets for the patients and more. You can see pictures of this very specific set up here:http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...jet-transport-ebola-victims-article-1.1977123

The CDC and Dept. of Defense contracted with Phoenix 30 months ago to design this interior. So why did the CDC etc. contract 2 1/2 years ago to have this interior designed? How would they possibly know something like this would be needed?? Also Phoenix have some very specific military contracts with their large fleet of jets, and are suspected of being one of the companies involved in the CIA rendition flights.

"The CDC is incompetent and clueless!""The CDC is diabolical and Machiavellian!"

I checked out the CDC web site and now I worry about cilantro (love it). http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/cyclosporiasis/outbreaks/2014/index.html

 

[Parrothead]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

Sounds like Ghana should quarantine her upon entry,

that would make more sense than his hypothetical

 

[Smack Tripper]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

 

[Parrothead]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

jesus.. I assumed he was a doctor... oof

 

[timschochet]

@ the comparisons and situations on pages 46 thru this post. You guys have officially lost it...all of you!

Which one specifically tickled you?

hmmmm....I can only pick one? I'll have to go with Tim comparing schools exercising caution to Japanese internment camps for the win Alex.

actually I was comparing Shader's logic in defending the school to the same sort of logic that defended internment. But that's OK.

That doesn't make it better. It makes it worse actually. Stop digging.

Nope. I never compared schools "exercising caution" to Japanese internment camps, so please stop saying I did. That school acted stupidly, however, and deserves to be called out for it.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

 

[shadyridr]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

Yeah but they have AIDS

 

[Fennis]

man you guys complain about everything.

Post #1

Doctors don't know what they are talking about

Post #2

Thanks Obama for doing nothing

Post #3

Obama appointed a Czar we don't need a Czar. We need to control our Southern border.

Post #4

How can they put a non Dr in charge of coordinating a national response?

 

[Parrothead]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

Yeah but they have AIDS

tell Z Machines wife not to #### anyone while in Ghana.. problem solved

 

[Fennis]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

Yeah but they have AIDS

quarantine for 6 months.

 

[timschochet]

Someone send me a PM when we reach the point in the thread where Timmy shoehorns in his thoughts on immigration and / or blames the Tea Party for the ebola.

Didn't we cover the Tea party and the sequester a few pages ago?

It needs to be stressed. Both the CDC and the NIH received cuts in spending that don't help in situations like this. This Ebola situation is a clear example, IMO, of the Tea Party philosophy of the role and size of government being on trial- and found wanting. We need a stronger CDC, not a weaker one.

 

[Jackstraw]

Keep in mind we can approve our top public health official during this because of politics.

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Parrothead]

Keep in mind we can approve our top public health official during this because of politics.

This is why we can't have nice things.

meh- now we have a czar

 

[Harry Manback]

Keep in mind we can approve our top public health official during this because of politics.

This is why we can't have nice things.

meh- now we have a czar

Fuhrer.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

I'm not really concerned about the opinion of the rep, I'm more concerned about the issue at hand.

Were it I and I was a looking for a person to oversee a pressing problem, I wouldn't start with a guy who's playing catchup on the matter. Especially when the CDC seems to be floundering.

 

[jon_mx]

Someone send me a PM when we reach the point in the thread where Timmy shoehorns in his thoughts on immigration and / or blames the Tea Party for the ebola.

Didn't we cover the Tea party and the sequester a few pages ago?

It needs to be stressed. Both the CDC and the NIH received cuts in spending that don't help in situations like this. This Ebola situation is a clear example, IMO, of the Tea Party philosophy of the role and size of government being on trial- and found wanting. We need a stronger CDC, not a weaker one.

Do all your solutions require a larger government? BTW, it was your dear leader who also pushed for cuts in the CDC. Recently, Obama's budget actually had bigger cuts than what CDC ended up with. So stop with the Tea Party non-sense. It is so old.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

I'm not really concerned about the opinion of the rep, I'm more concerned about the issue at hand.

Were it I and I was a looking for a person to oversee a pressing problem, I wouldn't start with a guy who's playing catchup on the matter. Especially when the CDC seems to be floundering.

I just wanted to make fun of the rep, who is basically public enemy #1 for DC residents.

 

[The Commish]

@ the comparisons and situations on pages 46 thru this post. You guys have officially lost it...all of you!

Which one specifically tickled you?

hmmmm....I can only pick one? I'll have to go with Tim comparing schools exercising caution to Japanese internment camps for the win Alex.

actually I was comparing Shader's logic in defending the school to the same sort of logic that defended internment. But that's OK.

That doesn't make it better. It makes it worse actually. Stop digging.

Nope. I never compared schools "exercising caution" to Japanese internment camps, so please stop saying I did. That school acted stupidly, however, and deserves to be called out for it.

"Nope" what? You said that's not what you meant. Once you clarified, I simply said the clarification was worse than what you said originally Keep going if you want...it IS Friday.

 

[timschochet]

Obama gave in to the critics here. Weak, IMO. What exactly is this czar supposed to do? He's not going to ban flights from west Africa-all the health experts agree that would be really stupid. He's not going to interfere with the CDC on what they're doing to isolate the cases of Ebola we already have. The best thing he could do at this point is just stay out of the way and let the system work. So why do we need him?

 

[jon_mx]

Obama gave in to the critics here. Weak, IMO. What exactly is this czar supposed to do? He's not going to ban flights from west Africa-all the health experts agree that would be really stupid. He's not going to interfere with the CDC on what they're doing to isolate the cases of Ebola we already have. The best thing he could do at this point is just stay out of the way and let the system work. So why do we need him?

Gave in? No, he proposed cuts. Come on Tim.

 

[timschochet]

Someone send me a PM when we reach the point in the thread where Timmy shoehorns in his thoughts on immigration and / or blames the Tea Party for the ebola.

Didn't we cover the Tea party and the sequester a few pages ago?

It needs to be stressed. Both the CDC and the NIH received cuts in spending that don't help in situations like this. This Ebola situation is a clear example, IMO, of the Tea Party philosophy of the role and size of government being on trial- and found wanting. We need a stronger CDC, not a weaker one.

Do all your solutions require a larger government? BTW, it was your dear leader who also pushed for cuts in the CDC. Recently, Obama's budget actually had bigger cuts than what CDC was ended up with.

1. No. In this case, yes.

2. I don't have any dear leader. If Obama is responsible for cutting the CDC he ought to be held responsible. The reason I believe it's important to criticize the Tea Party in particular is because it's their philosophy cutting spending that I disagree with, rather than any one specific act. This philosophy has, IMO, led to a poisonous environment in Washington in which politicians on all sides (including Obama) feel the need to cut spending for the sole sake of cutting spending, without regard to what is important or necessary.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

I'm not really concerned about the opinion of the rep, I'm more concerned about the issue at hand.

Were it I and I was a looking for a person to oversee a pressing problem, I wouldn't start with a guy who's playing catchup on the matter. Especially when the CDC seems to be floundering.

Interesting that Klain will report to national security adviser Susan Rice and to homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco. Looks like Obama wanted a buffer for the White House.

 

[Parrothead]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

I'm not really concerned about the opinion of the rep, I'm more concerned about the issue at hand.

Were it I and I was a looking for a person to oversee a pressing problem, I wouldn't start with a guy who's playing catchup on the matter. Especially when the CDC seems to be floundering.

Interesting that Klain will report to national security adviser Susan Rice and to homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco. Looks like Obama wanted a buffer for the White House.

that's exactly what this is- if things get worse, he has someone to blame

 

[Smack Tripper]

man you guys complain about everything.

Post #1

Doctors don't know what they are talking about

Post #2

Thanks Obama for doing nothing

Post #3

Obama appointed a Czar we don't need a Czar. We need to control our Southern border.

Post #4

How can they put a non Dr in charge of coordinating a national response?

The reality is, Ebola is probably not going to practically disable the country from a standpoint of cases.

But it is a serious disease that, in my opinion, is best managed at certain choke points to help containment. It seems to have been a more effective means of management historically than treatment, which is at best a 50/50 bet for the individuals carrying this.

However, the FEAR of Ebola is a significant threat that could within, ten days, from this day, disable this country for days or weeks if we get enough cases to spring up. That is a significant threat to our economy and our day to day life and structure.

So were I looking to inspire confidence in people, this guy delievers exactly, zero.

The vice presidential press secretary? And the guy so good in that role, he got to stay there for three presidents? This is like an NFL team hiring a coach who was unbeaten as a JV coach for ten years.

I was willing to be patient, and I would say prior to.. September, if you were polling me, I would say I am very confident in the abilities and judgement of the CDC. My faith in them is RAPIDLY dwindling, and I suspect I'm not alone. And if you tell me I'm crazy, please tell me what in their workflow or their info-flow to the public and industry professionals on this matter, is supposed to invite confidence.

This appointee didn't have to be a doctor, didn't have to be a epidemiologist but they needed to inspire confidence. He does not.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

I'm not really concerned about the opinion of the rep, I'm more concerned about the issue at hand.

Were it I and I was a looking for a person to oversee a pressing problem, I wouldn't start with a guy who's playing catchup on the matter. Especially when the CDC seems to be floundering.

Interesting that Klain will report to national security adviser Susan Rice and to homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco. Looks like Obama wanted a buffer for the White House.

that's exactly what this is- if things get worse, he has someone to blame

But it also hint at what kinds of resources could be used.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Klain may well be Obama's "Brownie"... hope he does a heckuva job too...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

OTOH, the rep who's criticizing him there is a doctor and until now was more famous for his passionate anti-marijuana stance. So sometimes a medical/health care background doesn't really mean much.

I'm not really concerned about the opinion of the rep, I'm more concerned about the issue at hand.

Were it I and I was a looking for a person to oversee a pressing problem, I wouldn't start with a guy who's playing catchup on the matter. Especially when the CDC seems to be floundering.

I just wanted to make fun of the rep, who is basically public enemy #1 for DC residents.

well I can't fault that, we need some levity up in here!

We're all gonna need to get baked after this!

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Obama gave in to the critics here. Weak, IMO. What exactly is this czar supposed to do? He's not going to ban flights from west Africa-all the health experts agree that would be really stupid. He's not going to interfere with the CDC on what they're doing to isolate the cases of Ebola we already have. The best thing he could do at this point is just stay out of the way and let the system work. So why do we need him?

Maybe he has good communication, plannng, crisis management skills and etc.?You know he won't create Ebola Holocaust Camps because he's Jewish.

 

[Bucky86]

The Pentagon is UNDER ATTACK

 

[Parrothead]

add "abundance of caution" to my list of most hated phrases

 

[msommer]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

There are Ebola cases in the US. Ghana should refuse entry

 

[Rohn Jambo]

add "abundance of caution" to my list of most hated phrases

It's euphemism for "the #### has hit the fan".

 

[Doug B]

According to Eugene Robinson's 10/16 column, the whole point of banning flights from Ebola-stricken West African countries is moot:

Let’s make a deal: We’ll all promise not to panic about Ebola if the experts — especially those at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — agree to get their stories straight.

They should begin by giving a better explanation of why they have concluded it would be wrong to “stop the flights” arriving from the Ebola “hot zone,” beginning with the fact that there are no such flights: There is no direct commercial air service between the countries at the epicenter of the outbreak — Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea — and the United States.

Travelers from those countries must make one or more intermediate stops to get here, meaning that any travel ban would have to target individuals based on nationality or recent visits to the affected countries. Experts should explain why this idea is neither crazy nor politically incorrect but simply, in their professional opinion, inadvisable.

The risk that limiting travel to and from West Africa would hamper efforts to control the outbreak is real. Saying that charter flights could be arranged for aid workers ignores the necessarily decentralized and ad hoc nature of responses to this kind of emergency. Doctors, nurses and other volunteers need to be able to go into a hot zone when they are ready, not when seats happen to open up on a charter.

They also need to know beforehand that they will be able to rotate out of the zone in a timely fashion. There is an obvious role that military or charter aircraft can play in evacuating aid workers who have been in close contact with Ebola patients. For those with less risk of exposure — those who, say, could advise health officials in affected countries but not actually treat victims of the disease — travel restrictions would serve no purpose except to make them think twice about going.

With polls showing majority support for some kind of travel ban, CDC Director Tom Frieden and others should not just state their position on the issue but show a willingness to engage with those who disagree. Experts should acknowledge that restrictions might help keep out the Ebola virus in the short run — but would, in their view, put Americans more at risk in the long run.

 

[Parrothead]

My wife leaves for a 12 day trip to Ghana tomorrow afternoon. She's flying through JFK and then on to Accra. Wish her luck!

How would you feel if tomorrow they refused re-entry, for 45 days, for anyone that recently traveled to Africa?

Ghana has no cases of ebola, so this won't happen. Plus, quarantine is currently 21 days, not 45.

There are Ebola cases in the US. Ghana should refuse entry

and they would have every right to do so if they felt it would be in the best interests of their citizens

 

[lod01]

Whole lotta people coming back fro Africa and vomiting in the US. Glad I sold all shares of Fruit Bat Soup the other day. It's the most likely culprit in these vomit cases.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Thank you Doub B for the post on the travel ban. It seems it would be difficult to implement without agreements with other countries, and could be bad for the airline industry. We do not know the different kinds of traffic to and from W. Africa today to understand the possible impact.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Whole lotta people coming back fro Africa and vomiting in the US. Glad I sold all shares of Fruit Bat Soup the other day. It's the most likely culprit in these vomit cases.

Not only Africans love bush meat.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26811862/man-eating-raccoons

 

[Doug B]

Thank you Doub B for the post on the travel ban. It seems it would be difficult to implement without agreements with other countries, and could be bad for the airline industry. We do not know the different kinds of traffic to and from W. Africa today to understand the possible impact.

What's interesting to me is that a lot of people think Duncan got into the U.S. because there were no kind of travel restrictions in place. However, there were travel restrictions in place, imposed by the Liberian government. Trouble was, it relied on the honor system -- Duncan needed only to affirm on a written form that he had not been in contact with an Ebola patient. Duncan fudged the form, and got his seat on a plane to Brussels.

Things may be different in EU airports now -- don't know -- but at the time, the Brussels airport was not on any kind of alert. Duncan's easy access to the U.S. via air travel was thus assured.

 

[Fennis]

man you guys complain about everything.

Post #1

Doctors don't know what they are talking about

Post #2

Thanks Obama for doing nothing

Post #3

Obama appointed a Czar we don't need a Czar. We need to control our Southern border.

Post #4

How can they put a non Dr in charge of coordinating a national response?

The reality is, Ebola is probably not going to practically disable the country from a standpoint of cases.

But it is a serious disease that, in my opinion, is best managed at certain choke points to help containment. It seems to have been a more effective means of management historically than treatment, which is at best a 50/50 bet for the individuals carrying this.

However, the FEAR of Ebola is a significant threat that could within, ten days, from this day, disable this country for days or weeks if we get enough cases to spring up. That is a significant threat to our economy and our day to day life and structure.

So were I looking to inspire confidence in people, this guy delievers exactly, zero.

The vice presidential press secretary? And the guy so good in that role, he got to stay there for three presidents? This is like an NFL team hiring a coach who was unbeaten as a JV coach for ten years.

I was willing to be patient, and I would say prior to.. September, if you were polling me, I would say I am very confident in the abilities and judgement of the CDC. My faith in them is RAPIDLY dwindling, and I suspect I'm not alone. And if you tell me I'm crazy, please tell me what in their workflow or their info-flow to the public and industry professionals on this matter, is supposed to invite confidence.

This appointee didn't have to be a doctor, didn't have to be a epidemiologist but they needed to inspire confidence. He does not.

I give Obama a D on the handling of Ebola so far. Not because he is doing anything wrong, because I personally don't the policies around Ebola have been pretty spot on.

However, I agree with your last line but more so would apply it to Obama. The country is in a panic. I have spent most of the thread mocking those in a panic, but the president's job is to be confident and calm down the country. He has, so far, failed in that.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Thank you Doub B for the post on the travel ban. It seems it would be difficult to implement without agreements with other countries, and could be bad for the airline industry. We do not know the different kinds of traffic to and from W. Africa today to understand the possible impact.

What's interesting to me is that a lot of people think Duncan got into the U.S. because there were no kind of travel restrictions in place. However, there were travel restrictions in place, imposed by the Liberian government. Trouble was, it relied on the honor system -- Duncan needed only to affirm on a written form that he had not been in contact with an Ebola patient. Duncan fudged the form, and got his seat on a plane to Brussels.

Things may be different in EU airports now -- don't know -- but at the time, the Brussels airport was not on any kind of alert. Duncan's easy access to the U.S. via air travel was thus assured.

And this is why I think Duncan should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Don't let that jerk get off lightly.

 

[Bucky86]

Thank you Doub B for the post on the travel ban. It seems it would be difficult to implement without agreements with other countries, and could be bad for the airline industry. We do not know the different kinds of traffic to and from W. Africa today to understand the possible impact.

What's interesting to me is that a lot of people think Duncan got into the U.S. because there were no kind of travel restrictions in place. However, there were travel restrictions in place, imposed by the Liberian government. Trouble was, it relied on the honor system -- Duncan needed only to affirm on a written form that he had not been in contact with an Ebola patient. Duncan fudged the form, and got his seat on a plane to Brussels.

Things may be different in EU airports now -- don't know -- but at the time, the Brussels airport was not on any kind of alert. Duncan's easy access to the U.S. via air travel was thus assured.

And this is why I think Duncan should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Don't let that jerk get off lightly.

Death penalty IMO

 

[MattFancy]

man you guys complain about everything.

Post #1

Doctors don't know what they are talking about

Post #2

Thanks Obama for doing nothing

Post #3

Obama appointed a Czar we don't need a Czar. We need to control our Southern border.

Post #4

How can they put a non Dr in charge of coordinating a national response?

The reality is, Ebola is probably not going to practically disable the country from a standpoint of cases.

But it is a serious disease that, in my opinion, is best managed at certain choke points to help containment. It seems to have been a more effective means of management historically than treatment, which is at best a 50/50 bet for the individuals carrying this.

However, the FEAR of Ebola is a significant threat that could within, ten days, from this day, disable this country for days or weeks if we get enough cases to spring up. That is a significant threat to our economy and our day to day life and structure.

So were I looking to inspire confidence in people, this guy delievers exactly, zero.

The vice presidential press secretary? And the guy so good in that role, he got to stay there for three presidents? This is like an NFL team hiring a coach who was unbeaten as a JV coach for ten years.

I was willing to be patient, and I would say prior to.. September, if you were polling me, I would say I am very confident in the abilities and judgement of the CDC. My faith in them is RAPIDLY dwindling, and I suspect I'm not alone. And if you tell me I'm crazy, please tell me what in their workflow or their info-flow to the public and industry professionals on this matter, is supposed to invite confidence.

This appointee didn't have to be a doctor, didn't have to be a epidemiologist but they needed to inspire confidence. He does not.

I give Obama a D on the handling of Ebola so far. Not because he is doing anything wrong, because I personally don't the policies around Ebola have been pretty spot on.

However, I agree with your last line but more so would apply it to Obama. The country is in a panic. I have spent most of the thread mocking those in a panic, but the president's job is to be confident and calm down the country. He has, so far, failed in that.

Unfortunately, I don;t think it matters what Obama says at this point. If he came out and said today that Ebola isn't a big threat, people would say he's lying and it's a bigger problem than he wants to admit. If he came out today and said Ebola is a serious threat to our country and needs to be taken seriously, everyone would go into even more of a mass panic and #### would hit the fan. He's pretty much in a no win situation.

Personally, I'm not the least bit worried about Ebola. I'm more worried about catching the flu than Ebola. Don't more people die a year from the flu than Ebola? Are we imposing travel restrictions on those people?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Thank you Doub B for the post on the travel ban. It seems it would be difficult to implement without agreements with other countries, and could be bad for the airline industry. We do not know the different kinds of traffic to and from W. Africa today to understand the possible impact.

What's interesting to me is that a lot of people think Duncan got into the U.S. because there were no kind of travel restrictions in place. However, there were travel restrictions in place, imposed by the Liberian government. Trouble was, it relied on the honor system -- Duncan needed only to affirm on a written form that he had not been in contact with an Ebola patient. Duncan fudged the form, and got his seat on a plane to Brussels.

Things may be different in EU airports now -- don't know -- but at the time, the Brussels airport was not on any kind of alert. Duncan's easy access to the U.S. via air travel was thus assured.

And this is why I think Duncan should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Don't let that jerk get off lightly.

Death penalty IMO

Let's not get crazy. I don't want to see the guy killed because of this.

 

[jon_mx]

Thank you Doub B for the post on the travel ban. It seems it would be difficult to implement without agreements with other countries, and could be bad for the airline industry. We do not know the different kinds of traffic to and from W. Africa today to understand the possible impact.

What's interesting to me is that a lot of people think Duncan got into the U.S. because there were no kind of travel restrictions in place. However, there were travel restrictions in place, imposed by the Liberian government. Trouble was, it relied on the honor system -- Duncan needed only to affirm on a written form that he had not been in contact with an Ebola patient. Duncan fudged the form, and got his seat on a plane to Brussels.

Things may be different in EU airports now -- don't know -- but at the time, the Brussels airport was not on any kind of alert. Duncan's easy access to the U.S. via air travel was thus assured.

Of the 10's of thousands of things the government regulates, restricting travelers from Nigeria from entering the country is probably the easiest. This is a piece of cake compared to any attempt at regulating Guns, Drugs, Tobacco, Alcohol, or whatever. We have the infrastructure in place, just use it. This is a silly argument. It may not be 100%, but it would be pretty close. A few Nigerians sneaking in is much safer than a thousand getting in no matter what kind of screening or tracking is done. Asking a few questions on whether they have fever or if they had any exposure to Ebola is a waste of time.

 

[Smack Tripper]

man you guys complain about everything.

Post #1

Doctors don't know what they are talking about

Post #2

Thanks Obama for doing nothing

Post #3

Obama appointed a Czar we don't need a Czar. We need to control our Southern border.

Post #4

How can they put a non Dr in charge of coordinating a national response?

The reality is, Ebola is probably not going to practically disable the country from a standpoint of cases.

But it is a serious disease that, in my opinion, is best managed at certain choke points to help containment. It seems to have been a more effective means of management historically than treatment, which is at best a 50/50 bet for the individuals carrying this.

However, the FEAR of Ebola is a significant threat that could within, ten days, from this day, disable this country for days or weeks if we get enough cases to spring up. That is a significant threat to our economy and our day to day life and structure.

So were I looking to inspire confidence in people, this guy delievers exactly, zero.

The vice presidential press secretary? And the guy so good in that role, he got to stay there for three presidents? This is like an NFL team hiring a coach who was unbeaten as a JV coach for ten years.

I was willing to be patient, and I would say prior to.. September, if you were polling me, I would say I am very confident in the abilities and judgement of the CDC. My faith in them is RAPIDLY dwindling, and I suspect I'm not alone. And if you tell me I'm crazy, please tell me what in their workflow or their info-flow to the public and industry professionals on this matter, is supposed to invite confidence.

This appointee didn't have to be a doctor, didn't have to be a epidemiologist but they needed to inspire confidence. He does not.

I give Obama a D on the handling of Ebola so far. Not because he is doing anything wrong, because I personally don't the policies around Ebola have been pretty spot on.

However, I agree with your last line but more so would apply it to Obama. The country is in a panic. I have spent most of the thread mocking those in a panic, but the president's job is to be confident and calm down the country. He has, so far, failed in that.

Unfortunately, I don;t think it matters what Obama says at this point. If he came out and said today that Ebola isn't a big threat, people would say he's lying and it's a bigger problem than he wants to admit. If he came out today and said Ebola is a serious threat to our country and needs to be taken seriously, everyone would go into even more of a mass panic and #### would hit the fan. He's pretty much in a no win situation.

Personally, I'm not the least bit worried about Ebola. I'm more worried about catching the flu than Ebola. Don't more people die a year from the flu than Ebola? Are we imposing travel restrictions on those people?

I respect and understand the need to limit panic, and maybe in the early days, its wait and see. But trust is like cash in a casino, easy to burn and hard to get back. Your trust and faith in the machine has to be everything. There are cracks in that dam, and I wanted to see a patch so strong I could believe in it.

When your leading domestic health agency is putting out incorrect information, thats one thing and almost excusable. To see CONFLICTING information really makes you think they don't know what the hell they are doing.

This whole scenario may be the ultimate chicken little in America. In a culture of fear, from nightly news asking CAN YOUR DISH DETERGENT KILL? WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT IT to the conspirateria on the net, here is a situation where we really should say, hey wait a minute and maybe really question some leadership, that message has been neutured by the din of a fatigued public.

So when the CDC DOES know something worth sharing, people are less likely to listen up for the public good.

 

[Smack Tripper]

man you guys complain about everything.

Post #1

Doctors don't know what they are talking about

Post #2

Thanks Obama for doing nothing

Post #3

Obama appointed a Czar we don't need a Czar. We need to control our Southern border.

Post #4

How can they put a non Dr in charge of coordinating a national response?

The reality is, Ebola is probably not going to practically disable the country from a standpoint of cases.

But it is a serious disease that, in my opinion, is best managed at certain choke points to help containment. It seems to have been a more effective means of management historically than treatment, which is at best a 50/50 bet for the individuals carrying this.

However, the FEAR of Ebola is a significant threat that could within, ten days, from this day, disable this country for days or weeks if we get enough cases to spring up. That is a significant threat to our economy and our day to day life and structure.

So were I looking to inspire confidence in people, this guy delievers exactly, zero.

The vice presidential press secretary? And the guy so good in that role, he got to stay there for three presidents? This is like an NFL team hiring a coach who was unbeaten as a JV coach for ten years.

I was willing to be patient, and I would say prior to.. September, if you were polling me, I would say I am very confident in the abilities and judgement of the CDC. My faith in them is RAPIDLY dwindling, and I suspect I'm not alone. And if you tell me I'm crazy, please tell me what in their workflow or their info-flow to the public and industry professionals on this matter, is supposed to invite confidence.

This appointee didn't have to be a doctor, didn't have to be a epidemiologist but they needed to inspire confidence. He does not.

I give Obama a D on the handling of Ebola so far. Not because he is doing anything wrong, because I personally don't the policies around Ebola have been pretty spot on.

However, I agree with your last line but more so would apply it to Obama. The country is in a panic. I have spent most of the thread mocking those in a panic, but the president's job is to be confident and calm down the country. He has, so far, failed in that.

Unfortunately, I don;t think it matters what Obama says at this point. If he came out and said today that Ebola isn't a big threat, people would say he's lying and it's a bigger problem than he wants to admit. If he came out today and said Ebola is a serious threat to our country and needs to be taken seriously, everyone would go into even more of a mass panic and #### would hit the fan. He's pretty much in a no win situation.

Personally, I'm not the least bit worried about Ebola. I'm more worried about catching the flu than Ebola. Don't more people die a year from the flu than Ebola? Are we imposing travel restrictions on those people?

are you elderly or an infant? That is the majority of your flu deaths in America, lets compare apples to apples a bit.