Ebola (5 Viewers)

[Rohn Jambo]

I am not liking how CNN sets out to disprove every one of my posts.

 

[Guest]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going to happen there like a video of Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.

 

[Politician Spock]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

Kent cared for a 14-year old who survived Ebola and received a pint of blood from the boy before he left for Atlanta. Hopefully the antibodies will help Kent pull through.

Wat? He purposely injected himself with ebola-contaminated blood.

Yes he already had ebola....but was taking a chance that this boy who survived ,blood would act like a vaccine. My understanding.

So this story was ?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going yo happen there like Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.

Yes, one of the biggest challenges in Nigeria is getting information out to everyone. Television? Half the people have no electricity. And 40% of the adults are illiterate.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

Kent cared for a 14-year old who survived Ebola and received a pint of blood from the boy before he left for Atlanta. Hopefully the antibodies will help Kent pull through.

Wat? He purposely injected himself with ebola-contaminated blood.

Yes he already had ebola....but was taking a chance that this boy who survived ,blood would act like a vaccine. My understanding.

So this story was ?

I had a déjà vu moment of my MH370 fake passports scoop.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

There are 20 Quarantine Stations in the US but why does Texas get to have 3?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/08/04/ebola_outbreak_in_africa_raises_caution_in_u_s_as_cdc_quarantine_stations.html

 

[msommer]

There are 20 Quarantine Stations in the US but why does Texas get to have 3?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/08/04/ebola_outbreak_in_africa_raises_caution_in_u_s_as_cdc_quarantine_stations.html

Border with Mexico?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Two people being tested in NY and Ohio who have recently returned from an area where there is an outbreak.

Not a fan of people traveling to these places where there are outbreaks and then coming here.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Two people being tested in NY and Ohio who have recently returned from an area where there is an outbreak.

Not a fan of people traveling to these places where there are outbreaks and then coming here.

I'll let them know.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Two people being tested in NY and Ohio who have recently returned from an area where there is an outbreak.

Not a fan of people traveling to these places where there are outbreaks and then coming here.

I'll let them know.

When they're sneezing, coughing, or vomiting be sure to stay within an arms distance too

 

[Tom Servo]

I miss NCC's contribution to this thread.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

My Link

 

[Greggity]

Catching some "4 horsemen" action, Get Some!!

 

[shader]

I highly recommend reading this reddit AMA. It's by Richard Preston, the author of The Hot Zone, which I'm currently reading. This guy has studied Ebola to a degree far greater than any of the "experts" you'll see when watching your normal news channels.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2cscg8/i_am_richard_preston_author_of_the_hot_zone_and/

 

[El Floppo]

Something tells me this thread is going to pick up some steam. Not looking forward to it.

 

[lod01]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going yo happen there like Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.

Yes, one of the biggest challenges in Nigeria is getting information out to everyone. Television? Half the people have no electricity. And 40% of the adults are illiterate.

What have those people been doing for the last 250+ years?

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Something tells me this thread is going to pick up some steam. Not looking forward to it.

Page 2 bump.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Interesting that this patient in Mount Sinai is taking so long to receive their results. They were administered into the hospital at 1am Monday morning, basically 64 hours ago. It doesn't take that long and most others admitted for testing received results much quicker, I find this suspicious.

 

[El Floppo]

Interesting that this patient in Mount Sinai is taking so long to receive their results. They were administered into the hospital at 1am Monday morning, basically 64 hours ago. It doesn't take that long and most others admitted for testing received results much quicker, I find this suspicious.

steamy.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Interesting that this patient in Mount Sinai is taking so long to receive their results. They were administered into the hospital at 1am Monday morning, basically 64 hours ago. It doesn't take that long and most others admitted for testing received results much quicker, I find this suspicious.

steamy.

Honestly, I would be happy to ban travel to these locations and ban anyone coming into our borders who has been there... At this point, it feels more like when it makes it over here, not if.

Pretty simple, if this guy has it, it has already begun spreading and other cases will be popping up shortly. It would be out of NY and spreading across the country within days.

 

[Guest]

Interesting that this patient in Mount Sinai is taking so long to receive their results. They were administered into the hospital at 1am Monday morning, basically 64 hours ago. It doesn't take that long and most others admitted for testing received results much quicker, I find this suspicious.

steamy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/APd61737d623dc4b9c8906e3e12524405d.html

New York patient negative.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Interesting that this patient in Mount Sinai is taking so long to receive their results. They were administered into the hospital at 1am Monday morning, basically 64 hours ago. It doesn't take that long and most others admitted for testing received results much quicker, I find this suspicious.

steamy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/APd61737d623dc4b9c8906e3e12524405d.htmlNew York patient negative.

Awesome I still think this gets here and there should be a travel ban coming/going for EVERYONE from there to here and vice versa.

 

[joffer]

Already have my haz-mat suit

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The Ebola Death Panel:

"The World Health Organization will convene a medical ethics panel early next week to answer questions about whom should receive ZMapp, given that it is in limited supply."

 

[Psychopav]

I know FBGs would not try to benefit from this human tragedy but a Canadian confirmed they have nothing to do with the improvement to Kent's health:http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/03/canadian-ebola-drug-not-given-to-infected-worker_n_5646159.html

Okay, the experimental serum that is working on the 2 Americans is ZMapp, developed by a biotech firm in San Diego, USA.BREAKING NEWS: WE'RE NOT DOOMED!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/health/experimental-ebola-serum/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Awesome! Suck it, ebola.

Sounds like this three pig antibody deal works pretty well. Let's do it with other viruses and eradicate the little bugs. I know, there are too many strains/too much mutation for this to work with the common cold. But here's what I'm thinking...it starts like this: we each keep a litter of pigs in our homes, and a biotech R&D team locked up in our basements. See where I'm going with this?

 

[msommer]

I know FBGs would not try to benefit from this human tragedy but a Canadian confirmed they have nothing to do with the improvement to Kent's health:http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/03/canadian-ebola-drug-not-given-to-infected-worker_n_5646159.html

Okay, the experimental serum that is working on the 2 Americans is ZMapp, developed by a biotech firm in San Diego, USA.BREAKING NEWS: WE'RE NOT DOOMED!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/health/experimental-ebola-serum/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Awesome! Suck it, ebola.

Sounds like this three pig antibody deal works pretty well. Let's do it with other viruses and eradicate the little bugs. I know, there are too many strains/too much mutation for this to work with the common cold. But here's what I'm thinking...it starts like this: we each keep a litter of pigs in our homes, and a biotech R&D team locked up in our basements. See where I'm going with this?

Sharing a dwelling with livestock?

What could possibly go wrong....

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Samaritan's Purse and SIM on the outbreak - last 40 minutes of the hearing

 

[Tom Servo]

WHO declares ebola outbreak a "public health emergency"

 

[Guest]

WHO declares ebola outbreak a "public health emergency"

The World Health Organization. :costello:

 

[Tom Servo]

WHO declares ebola outbreak a "public health emergency"

The World Health Organization. :costello:

It was these guys, actually.

 

[msommer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going to happen there like a video of Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.

9 cases two deaths as of yday

 

[msommer]

Likely in London.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051

Maybe in Phillippines too:

http://english.cntv.cn/2014/08/02/VIDE1406955241574888.shtml

Seems like for something so easily contained with proper protocols there sure are a lot of people getting it. 60 doctors, nurses and healthcare workers dead from this outbreak is a rather large number for the total cases so far, isn't it?

I agree but others in this thread have said we are crazy to worry about this. they are so confident in our healthcare protocols that they think it is a good idea that ebola man was brought onto our soil.

Pandemic started yet?

 

[Guest]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going to happen there like a video of Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.

9 cases two deaths as of yday

Source? That's the gauge I'm watching. If Ebola is a match, and we're a rain forest, Lagos is flat out brittle, dry kindling. We are apt to see the far extreme of what could happen under the worst possible circumstances here happen there first. Said otherwise, there will be signs of it getting crazy out of hand there if it's a legitimate concern in the West. If 9 becomes thousands, that's the eyebrow raiser in my opinion.

 

[msommer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going to happen there like a video of Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.

9 cases two deaths as of yday

Source? That's the gauge I'm watching. If Ebola is a match, and we're a rain forest, Lagos is flat out brittle, dry kindling. We are apt to see the far extreme of what could happen under the worst possible circumstances here happen there first. Said otherwise, there will be signs of it getting crazy out of hand there if it's a legitimate concern in the West. If 9 becomes thousands, that's the eyebrow raiser in my opinion.

Ritzau

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2014/08/07/132110.htm

You may be able to understand the graphic despite it being in Danish

 

[Tom Servo]

From CBC News: It's not the virus that's changed, but Africa.

Add to that the spread of the infection to urban areas, which didn't happen in past outbreaks, and the challenge of isolating the sick and tracking people who had contact with them grows exponentially.

Geisbert says Ebola in large, urban areas is a worst-case scenario because of how difficult it becomes to contain. For example, in Conakry, Guinea's capital, there have been at least 95 suspected cases of Ebola.

 

[Tom Servo]

What I was trying to add to the last post was the fact that urbanization seems to be a major contributor to the disease's spread. Between that, the thin spread of health care workers and the mistrust of the local population, I could see the same factors coming into play here.

1. Urbanization - BIG HUGE CHECK. Imagine if that gets loose in a major US city.

2. Thin spread of health care workers - possible depending on where/if it got loose.

3. Mistrust - quite possible, especially among the anti-vax/conspiracy/trust no one crowd(s).

 

[Rohn Jambo]

New update on the two American patients who are getting "the best medical treatment" in the entire world.

Patient #2 has moved on to another secret serum: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/health/ebola-american-victims/

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Experts saying the same thing about what's happening in W. Africa

http://www.cfr.org/diseases-infectious/ebola-outbreak/p33316

Transcript: http://www.cfr.org/diseases-infectious/ebola-outbreak/p33318

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Nigeria offers life insurance and special intensives to volunteer health workers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPhPB1j9PuU

 

[Psychopav]

Experts saying the same thing about what's happening in W. Africa

http://www.cfr.org/diseases-infectious/ebola-outbreak/p33316

Transcript: http://www.cfr.org/diseases-infectious/ebola-outbreak/p33318

Fascinating and scary stuff. Thanks.Take this for example:

And you think you understand when I say something like the virus is in the bodily fluids, what that means. But you are dealing with a situation now in populations where there is no germ theory of disease. There is no virus. There is no difference between a virus and a bacteria. There is no "something in the bodily fluids." It's evil spirits.

And you are in a place where just about every single living person has a reason, because of the horrors of what happened during their civil wars, has a reason to believe that somebody else wants to take revenge against their clan, their family, or them as an individual, because of evil deeds done to someone else's family during those horrible civil war years.

And so here you have governments trying to figure out how to go out and tell people there is a virus, it's a new virus, it's a terrible virus, protect yourself, and the people are saying, "Virus shmirus, this is all about, you know, that guy's grandfather, you know, stole land from my grandfather, and I am sending him an evil spirit and praying that his family, his whole clan dies of this disease, because I want revenge for that stolen property."

Also of interest: WHO is running in a $1.2B deficit. Doctors without Borders is burnt out and needs help (WHO's declaration today should help some). 70% fatality rate. How trained healthcare workers could become infected. Lots of other good info. here.

 

[Tom Servo]

But, hey - no sweat guys! More people die from diarrhea than ebola.

 

[NCCommish]

Can't help but notice the apocalypse hasn't started yet.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Can't help but notice the apocalypse hasn't started yet.

Bird Flu, baby. This Ebola crap is just a headfake.

 

[Politician Spock]

Can't help but notice the apocalypse hasn't started yet.

It's on pace to kill 6 billion by August 2016. But half of them will die between May and August, so you've got about 20 months before the apocalypse comes.

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/zambia-bans-visitors-west-african-ebola-countries-article-1.1897976

Ghana and Zambia have banned all travel to and from any infected country.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

uh-oh... another false alarm, I hope

http://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/ebola/ebola-verdacht-in-hamburg-37182352.bild.html

 

[sporthenry]

What I was trying to add to the last post was the fact that urbanization seems to be a major contributor to the disease's spread. Between that, the thin spread of health care workers and the mistrust of the local population, I could see the same factors coming into play here.

1. Urbanization - BIG HUGE CHECK. Imagine if that gets loose in a major US city.

2. Thin spread of health care workers - possible depending on where/if it got loose.

3. Mistrust - quite possible, especially among the anti-vax/conspiracy/trust no one crowd(s).

The whole anti-vax crowd doesn't really seem to be populated in urban areas from my personal experience. Those are more either middle of nowhere folk who don't get out much or paranoid suburban moms. I could see the latter being somewhat of an issue. But I imagine the government would force infected people into quarantine.

And the thin spread of healthcare workers in Africa is much different than the thin spread here. I don't doubt we'd have enough people to help take care of it if we combined all the resources. Other things like cancer might take a backseat for a bit but we'd get through it.

 

[Psychopav]

uh-oh... another false alarm, I hope

http://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/ebola/ebola-verdacht-in-hamburg-37182352.bild.html

Hamburg - Ebola suspected in Hamburg! A man (28) from Freetown (Sierra Leone) said to have brought the deadly virus to Germany.

The man should be reached on August 7 over Paris in the Hanseatic city. From then on he was staying in a hostel in Hamburg-Hummelsbüttel.

On Saturday, the man complained then against 14 clock, fever and vomiting. With an ambulance he was taken to the hospital Heidberg. There he came to the emergency room. First, it was unclear whether the man had come with Ebola patients in contact. Therefore, he was transferred to an isolation room.

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Officials of the Hamburg Police guarding the house, where the man is supposed to have lived

Photo: Thomas Knoop

To 22 clock the man was eventually supplied with an infection ambulance to a special ward in the University Hospital Eppendorf (UKE). The car was accompanied during the journey of more than six police patrol car.

The fight against the deadly disease in West Africa continues in full swing. Already on Friday called on the World Health Organization (WHO) of the global pandemic alert. According to information from BILD am Sonntag an Ebola patient is expected in Germany . At a German airport, the fire department was already on alert.

 

[joffer]

http://youtu.be/zDAmPIq29ro

 

[Uwe Blab]

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/08/ebola_in_united_states_research_on_deadly_hemorrhagic_fevers_lassa_marburg.html