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in spite of ourselves, we only have 2 cases (and a lot of false alarms).. imagine if we had 25? 100? 1000? This country would shut down.

 
TheIronSheik said:
Not sure if this was mentioned, but now the CDC is saying that the nurse who traveled to Cleveland may have been sick prior to leaving Dallas. They are now notifying passengers on her first flight.

So much for "she wasn't showing symptoms until after she got home."
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when this is all over and the dust settles, there is going to be a lot of 'splaing to do.. heads are gonna roll

 
Parrothead said:
TheIronSheik said:
Not sure if this was mentioned, but now the CDC is saying that the nurse who traveled to Cleveland may have been sick prior to leaving Dallas. They are now notifying passengers on her first flight.

So much for "she wasn't showing symptoms until after she got home."
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when this is all over and the dust settles, there is going to be a lot of 'splaing to do.. heads are gonna roll
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Yeah. This is the same agency that accidentally left Anthrax laying around their offices unaccounted for. "Whoops. My bad."

 
It's like some kind of brewsters millions challenge for nurses where after you handle a deadly disease you go on the most confined and crowded space around.

 
I don't get the video of the 1st nurse. She's smiling and talking, sitting up in her bed. I would have thought Ebola would have been worse. I've had colds that put me down harder than how she looked.

 
Some reassuring news from the World Health Organization

The World Health Organization has admitted that it botched attempts to stop the now-spiraling Ebola outbreak in West Africa, blaming factors including incompetent staff and a lack of information.

"Nearly everyone involved in the outbreak response failed to see some fairly plain writing on the wall," WHO said in a draft internal document obtained by The Associated Press, noting that experts should have realized that traditional containment methods wouldn't work in a region with porous borders and broken health systems.

The U.N. health agency acknowledged that, at times, even its own bureaucracy was a problem. It noted that the heads of WHO country offices in Africa are "politically motivated appointments" made by the WHO regional director for Africa, Dr. Luis Sambo, who does not answer to the agency's chief in Geneva, Dr. Margaret Chan.
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Sinn Fein said:
Mr. Ham said:
Okay, it looks like I have to be a voice of reason. This is very sad. Only three known Us transmissions were related to close exposure to large volumes of boldly secretions from a patient fully presenting symptoms. Unless there is major suppression of information or a mutation, this points to a strain that can be contained eventually by Key Stone Cops. And good thing.

We'll know soon enough is this is more tranmitable, but signs at that despite pathetic lack of protocols it's not as easy to catch as most imagine.

Still needs an aggressive response early on, but it's not the "it's coming from the vents" situation most imagine.

I'm still traveling several times a week for work and in street clothes, no latex anywhere.
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Who besides the nutters, ever thought that?

The grossly misinformed, better-to-bunker now crowd, such as yourself has been pushing the hysteria to levels not warranted by the actual threat. You should be ashamed of the number of times you cry wolf - its because of folks like you that no one heeds the advice when a real emergency arises.
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You're making assumptions of what I've said. Three things:

1. I didn't start this thread and haven't been amongst the most active in it.

2. I haven't been particularly alarmist. What I said I stand by: The multiple of new infections per patient needs to be managed and cannot stay at 2+ without this being a very real problem. I've consistently said that this is quite possible - but I also stand by the lack of preparedness and protocols was a failure in Round 1, and we've had to be lucky (so far) for this not to suddenly be a very expensive and extensive pursuit to stamp out several fires instead of one or two.

3. People are wired differently. In my daily life, my job is to anticipate where technology is headed over the next 18 months to 3 years and ensure that my company and my clients remain competitive. It's a volatile time in technology, and there are parallels. I routinely apply challenge thinking, which is pretty much a form of paranoia. I imagine and anticipate what the market and competitors will do, and sometimes passionately lobby against the status quo. We're in an era where things move differently and quicker than ever before, and if you're a company that cannot adapt, you may just die before you learn your lesson. As a result, I have been very successful in getting companies to make major changes to people, process and technology lest they wake up one day and find they made unwise tactical decisions. I've been uncanny at predicting where trend lines are heading, and the solutions I architect have proven ROI relative to the market. People just think differently. Headlines and trend lines do not often reflect each there accurately these days - but the trend lines are alarming when you look at the long-term mutability and resistance of diseases, our modern lifestyles and the bureaucracy of government agencies. I hope we learn lessons from the failures here, but it's not people like me crying wolf that will be the undoing, it's the arrogance that we're above the need to worry.

 
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The Donald weighs in on the matter:

Donald Trump is at it again, taking to Twitter to question President Barack Obama's mental health over his handling of the Ebola crisis.

Early Thursday, Trump speculated that there's "something seriously wrong with President Obama's mental health" and called him a "psycho" for refusing to cut off flights to countries with active Ebola cases.

Later in the day, Trump reiterated that he thinks there's something wrong with the president.

"He's either incompetent, he's very stubborn or there's something wrong," Trump said on "The Steve Malzberg Show."

The Donald said his experience as a dealmaker means he understands people, even those on the other side of an issue. But in this case, he can't understand the other side.

"If you take a look at the whole thing about stopping the flights, I don't understand that," Trump said. "How could you not not stop the flights?"

When pressed by Malzberg, he again said something's wrong with Obama.

"There's something wrong and nobody knows what it is but there's something wrong," Trump said. "There's so many bad decisions. Can anybody be that incompetent? There's something wrong, there's something going on."

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control has argued that sealing the borders could actually undermine the effort to track the sick and stop the spread of the disease.

“Right now we know who’s coming in,” CDC chief Thomas Frieden told Congress on Thursday. “If we try to eliminate travel, the possibility that some will travel over land, will come from other places and we don’t know that they’re coming in, will mean that we won’t be able to do multiple things.”

“Borders can be porous, especially in this part of the world,” he said, according to Politico.

 
Ebola hits home. They moved up my AV setup at Lenox Hill Hospital 2 hours because they need the room to hold a conference on the virus. Damn you Ebola! I wanted to go to the car wash today!

 
A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.

 
I know a lot of people blames the CDC but if I were asked to take care of an Ebola patient I would make finding out how to protect myself a top priority.

 
MattFancy said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Mr. Ham said:
shadyridr said:
My company just sent out a company wide Ebola update email!
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Did you scan the email?
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I have virus scan on my PC but it does not work against Ebola.
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Just scan again in 3 weeks in see what comes up
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My company's security department sends out fake mails to employees and I have failed these surprise phishing "tests" a couple of times. I am guessing the next one will mention Ebola in the subject.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
MattFancy said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Mr. Ham said:
shadyridr said:
My company just sent out a company wide Ebola update email!
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Did you scan the email?
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I have virus scan on my PC but it does not work against Ebola.
Click to expand...
Just scan again in 3 weeks in see what comes up
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My company's security department sends out fake mails to employees and I have failed these surprise phishing "tests" a couple of times. I am guessing the next one will mention Ebola in the subject.
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Sounds like entrapment to me.

 
timschochet said:
A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.
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the horror

 
TheIronSheik said:
Rohn Jambo said:
MattFancy said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Mr. Ham said:
shadyridr said:
My company just sent out a company wide Ebola update email!
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Did you scan the email?
Click to expand...
I have virus scan on my PC but it does not work against Ebola.
Click to expand...
Just scan again in 3 weeks in see what comes up
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My company's security department sends out fake mails to employees and I have failed these surprise phishing "tests" a couple of times. I am guessing the next one will mention Ebola in the subject.
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Sounds like entrapment to me.
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Yep. Who would not wanna click to open if it says it will save your live?

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
timschochet said:
A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.
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the horror
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I am confident our knowledge of African geography will improve 1000% because of Ebola.
 
timschochet said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.
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Sounds like a good plan

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
timschochet said:
A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.
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the horror
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It's not horrific; it's just stupid.

 
timschochet said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
timschochet said:
A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.
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the horror
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It's not horrific; it's just stupid.
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whole lot of stupid going on, same as day 1

 
Rohn Jambo said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
timschochet said:
A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.
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the horror
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I am confident our knowledge of African geography will improve 1000% because of Ebola.
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The problem with African geography is it keeps changing. I'm not saying that's our only excuse, but I don't think even Europeans are good at African geography.

 
shader said:
timschochet said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.
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Sounds like a good plan
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I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

 
timschochet said:
shader said:
timschochet said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.
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Sounds like a good plan
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I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?
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I think you're using an extreme counter argument. I understand your point, but 3 cases in the US is quite different than what's happening in some African countries.

 
TheIronSheik said:
timschochet said:
shader said:
timschochet said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.
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Sounds like a good plan
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I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?
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I think you're using an extreme counter argument. I understand your point, but 3 cases in the US is quite different than what's happening in some African countries.
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Nigeria has 20 cases.

 
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