Ebola (1 Viewer)

[Rohn Jambo]

Everything is ok. Obama has appointed an Ebola Czar.

Is this not a good idea?

You know as soon as the word "Czar" is attached to the appointment.

 

[shader]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

 

[Parrothead]

Everything is ok. Obama has appointed an Ebola Czar.

Is this not a good idea?

You know as soon as the word "Czar" is attached to the appointment.

so the administration caved and appointed a czar.. good news

 

[shader]

Everything is ok. Obama has appointed an Ebola Czar.

Is this not a good idea?

I have no idea, I just thought it was a funny word choice. I think it's smart to pay attention to the threat, and Obama/US seem to be way out in front of other countries. I think they know how serious it could potentially be. I just think the word "czar" is a rather ominous choice of title to choose.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

I think you're using an extreme counter argument. I understand your point, but 3 cases in the US is quite different than what's happening in some African countries.

Nigeria has 20 cases.

Yes, but the WHO had them at a higher level alert. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being a little cautious. In fact, I wish the nurses in Texas had been a little more cautious.

 

[Parrothead]

Everything is ok. Obama has appointed an Ebola Czar.

Is this not a good idea?

I have no idea, I just thought it was a funny word choice. I think it's smart to pay attention to the threat, and Obama/US seem to be way out in front of other countries. I think they know how serious it could potentially be. I just think the word "czar" is a rather ominous choice of title to choose.

I predict the Czar's first recommendation will be a temporary moratorium on all commercial flights from the 3 worst stricken countries- giving the president political cover

 

[timschochet]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

 

[humpback]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but now the CDC is saying that the nurse who traveled to Cleveland may have been sick prior to leaving Dallas. They are now notifying passengers on her first flight.

So much for "she wasn't showing symptoms until after she got home."

The plane made 5 more flights before they took it out of service- looks like they'll be notifying quite a few more passengers.

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria the United States is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

And with no other edits necessary, your post now supports the idea that oxford should ban all applicants from the United States.

 

[culdeus]

Is this over yet? Stock market is way up so I assume we have a cure.

 

[Parrothead]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

 

[shader]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria the United States is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

And with no other edits necessary, your post now supports the idea that oxford should ban all applicants from the United States.

If they choose to, so be it.

 

[shader]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria the United States is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

And with no other edits necessary, your post now supports the idea that oxford should ban all applicants from the United States.

Ok. If Oxford University wants to protect it's students by doing that, more power to them. I'm not going to criticize them for it.

 

[shader]

Seriously, I don't know what is wrong with some of you people.

 

[Smack Tripper]

A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.

You think unnecessary travel through Africa is a good thing right now? If I had a kid, I wouldn't send him to an African airport right now. Call me reactionary.

 

[Parrothead]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

"I'm sorry. Due to the recent outbreak in your country, we'd like to be extra cautious and put a hold on allowing people from your country into our school."

"Real nice, bigot! This is just like the Japanese being put in concentration camps during World War II! "

 

[timschochet]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

I didn't say that you were for throwing anyone into camps. I used that analogy because it's the same kind of logic- "let's be cautious- this isn't a time for political correctness"- once you allow that argument, you're allowing a whole lot of things in.

And again who is "them"? Nigerians? Africans? Americans?

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria the United States is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

And with no other edits necessary, your post now supports the idea that oxford should ban all applicants from the United States.

If they choose to, so be it.

Works for me.

How about within the United States- we cool with barring Texans from attending out of state universities? Try to set aside the joyous idea of never having to deal with Texans again, and focus on whether it seems fair or rational.

 

[timschochet]

A North Carolina elementary school was scheduled to have a group of students from Kenya visit this month as part of a musical exchange program, but a bunch of parents freaked out, ignorant of the fact that Kenya is not one of the countries with Ebola. But it IS in Africa so I guess that's enough. There was so much protest that the trip was cancelled.

You think unnecessary travel through Africa is a good thing right now? If I had a kid, I wouldn't send him to an African airport right now. Call me reactionary.

You are.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Nice, racist. That's on par with the Trail of Tears the American Indians went through.

 

[Parrothead]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Nice, racist. That's on par with the Trail of Tears the American Indians went through.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Everything is ok. Obama has appointed an Ebola Czar.

Is this not a good idea?

I have no idea, I just thought it was a funny word choice. I think it's smart to pay attention to the threat, and Obama/US seem to be way out in front of other countries. I think they know how serious it could potentially be. I just think the word "czar" is a rather ominous choice of title to choose.

I predict the Czar's first recommendation will be a temporary moratorium on all commercial flights from the 3 worst stricken countries- giving the president political cover

He was Chief of Staff for two VPs, Al Gore and Joe Biden. We'll see when the horse comes out of the gate...

 

[shader]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Ok, well if you have a college you can make those rules. This particular college chose to include Nigeria. I don't see the problem here. Are we supposed to be outraged at them for this?

 

[Smack Tripper]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases, even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.

Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friends Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. I didnt believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be, Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a masters degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidoguns brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm no historian but I don't think a term of internment was, if you are no longer Japanese after 21 days you are free to go.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria the United States is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

And with no other edits necessary, your post now supports the idea that oxford should ban all applicants from the United States.

If they choose to, so be it.

Works for me.

How about within the United States- we cool with barring Texans from attending out of state universities? Try to set aside the joyous idea of never having to deal with Texans again, and focus on whether it seems fair or rational.

I have no problem with another person wanting to take whatever precautions they want to keep themselves safe.

 

[shader]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Nice, racist. That's on par with the Trail of Tears the American Indians went through.

 

[Parrothead]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with ‘confirmed Ebola cases,’ even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.
“Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.”

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friend’s Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. “I didn’t believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be,” Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a master’s degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidogun’s brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.

So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Ok, well if you have a college you can make those rules. This particular college chose to include Nigeria. I don't see the problem here. Are we supposed to be outraged at them for this?

I'm not outraged can't blame people for overreacting, especially the way we have screwed the pooch here with our measly 3 cases.. I wouldn't be outraged if US schools demanded quarantine for students from the Dallas area

 

[Smack Tripper]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases, even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.

Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friends Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. I didnt believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be, Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a masters degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidoguns brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Nice, racist. That's on par with the Trail of Tears the American Indians went through.

Your thoughts on Ellis island?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

People are escaping quarantine. We need facilities more like Alcatraz.

 

[shader]

Tim, you seem like you are becoming the "thought police" here. You are telling everyone what is and is not an over-the-top reaction to Ebola. This reminds me of how the KGB operates.

 

[Harry Manback]

FTR I could give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

 

[timschochet]

Seriously, I don't know what is wrong with some of you people.

I know this is meant for me. And maybe Tobias. Honestly I feel the same way. And this is nothing personal shader, because I like you a lot and as I wrote, I respect your thoughts on many issues- and I respect many of the posters who agree with you on this issue (that also seems to be a majority of Americans at this time.)

But we just don't see eye to eye on this. I think you guys have gone off your heads. We have TWO confirmed cases so far. We have less than 10,000 confirmed cases world wide. And for that, we're going to quarantine whole countries? (Or the continent of Africa???) We're going to prevent applicants to universities? This whole reaction is madness.

Stephen King's novel Under The Dome (not to be confused with the terrible tv show) is a brilliant study about human nature under stress. King's theme was that the danger came not from the dome itself, but how people trapped inside reacted to the dome. In a way, this Ebola scare is our dome moment. And we're not reacting very well.

 

[Smack Tripper]

FTR I could give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

How would if make it worse?

 

[shader]

FTR I could NOT give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

couldn't resist.

 

[Jayrod]

Is this over yet? Stock market is way up so I assume we have a cure.

Dead cat zombie bounce

 

[Harry Manback]

FTR I could give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

How would if make it worse?

Because ignoring the major issue in Africa and letting this fester is only going to make this WAY worse.

If we took immediate action when we found out about patient 0, went to Africa, enacted a proper quarantine and provided adequate treatment/education it would have been contained.

But we left them to themselves where it spread like wildfire. It will only get worse. We can keep it out of America for awhile, but when the majority of Wester Africa is either dead or infected it will be 10x harder to keep out.

 

[Harry Manback]

FTR I could NOT give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

couldn't resist.

Fair.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/texas-college-s-ebola-racism-reaches-a-new-low.html

A community college rejects students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases, even if that means cutting students with little to no risk of contracting the disease.

Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases.

It was with shock that 33-year-old Nigerian-American academic Idris Bello read this sentence, signaling the rejection of a friends Nigerian brother-in-law to the Texas community college based solely on his citizenship. I didnt believe it, I was so surprised. I thought: This cannot be, Bello says.

A lead entrepreneur in Africa, with a masters degree in global health from Oxford University, Bello received a copy of the letter from Dr. Kamor Abidogun, a mechanical engineer and friend of his in Houston. Abidoguns brother-in-law also decided to apply to Navarro, and used his address as the point of contact. Along with the letter he received rejecting his 29-year-old brother-in-law, Abidogun received an identical one for his 20-year-old nephew, who had also decided to apply from Nigeria.

According to the letter, the small community college 20 miles outside of Dallas has decided to stop accepting students from places with confirmed cases of Ebola. Nigeria, it seems, is an odd place to enact that policy. The country of 174 million has only registered 20 total cases of Ebola since the index patient in July, a response so strikingly effective that the CDC dispatched a team to the country to study their methods.

Sounds like a good plan

I always thought you were one of the more thoughtful people in this forum, shader. You surprise me on this topic.So any country with a case of Ebola should not be admitted to university? Should Oxford ban all applicants from the United States, then?

It's called quarantine, Tim. It's what you do when you have a lethal disease. Yeah, it might ruffle a few feathers for a few months, but I think it's smart. Perhaps adding Nigeria is a bit over the top, but I'm not going to fault them for being cautious. This isn't a time for political correctness. When things die down, then re-open the gates. I honestly don't see the issue here. Let the guy do some online courses for awhile.

It's way over the top and it's harmful. What you just wrote is the exact same justification that Americans used when we interned Japanese Americans after World War II. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.Quarantine is proper for people who have this disease. It may be proper for people who have been in direct contact with those who have this disease (depending on what the doctors say.) It is NOT proper for people who live in the same country as some who have this disease, or in the same hemisphere!! That's not quarantine, that's panic, stupidity, and bigotry, all rolled into one. And for you to justify it is really sad and pathetic, IMO.

I'm not saying we should throw them in concentration camps. I'm just saying I'm cool with them being disallowed to come overseas and attend a college until the ebola breakout ends.

Nigeria is fine. I would stick to the 3 worst stricken countries: Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-- just quarantine people for 3 weeks before travel, prove you are not sick, and then welcome to the USA.. nothing drastic, just common sense

Nice, racist. That's on par with the Trail of Tears the American Indians went through.

Your thoughts on Ellis island?

Meh. I've seen better islands.

 

[TheIronSheik]

FTR I could give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

How would if make it worse?

Because ignoring the major issue in Africa and letting this fester is only going to make this WAY worse.

If we took immediate action when we found out about patient 0, went to Africa, enacted a proper quarantine and provided adequate treatment/education it would have been contained.

But we left them to themselves where it spread like wildfire. It will only get worse. We can keep it out of America for awhile, but when the majority of Wester Africa is either dead or infected it will be 10x harder to keep out.

I don't think people are saying shut down the borders and IGNORE Africa. I think the idea is to fix Africa and contain it there.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

FTR I could give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

How would if make it worse?

Because ignoring the major issue in Africa and letting this fester is only going to make this WAY worse.If we took immediate action when we found out about patient 0, went to Africa, enacted a proper quarantine and provided adequate treatment/education it would have been contained.

But we left them to themselves where it spread like wildfire. It will only get worse. We can keep it out of America for awhile, but when the majority of Wester Africa is either dead or infected it will be 10x harder to keep out.

I don't think people are saying shut down the borders and IGNORE Africa. I think the idea is to fix Africa and contain it there.

Yeah, but I do not see any improvement in the last few months. Now people begin to die from starvation there.

 

[Harry Manback]

FTR I could give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

How would if make it worse?

Because ignoring the major issue in Africa and letting this fester is only going to make this WAY worse.

If we took immediate action when we found out about patient 0, went to Africa, enacted a proper quarantine and provided adequate treatment/education it would have been contained.

But we left them to themselves where it spread like wildfire. It will only get worse. We can keep it out of America for awhile, but when the majority of Wester Africa is either dead or infected it will be 10x harder to keep out.

I don't think people are saying shut down the borders and IGNORE Africa. I think the idea is to fix Africa and contain it there.

I still think shutting down borders will cause economic issues and still not really prevent any further spread.

The part that pisses me off is the #######s saying we should turn our backs on American citizens who were kind enough to risk their lives to try to save others and refuse to let them back here for treatment.

 

[shader]

Seriously, I don't know what is wrong with some of you people.

I know this is meant for me. And maybe Tobias. Honestly I feel the same way. And this is nothing personal shader, because I like you a lot and as I wrote, I respect your thoughts on many issues- and I respect many of the posters who agree with you on this issue (that also seems to be a majority of Americans at this time.)

But we just don't see eye to eye on this. I think you guys have gone off your heads. We have TWO confirmed cases so far. We have less than 10,000 confirmed cases world wide. And for that, we're going to quarantine whole countries? (Or the continent of Africa???) We're going to prevent applicants to universities? This whole reaction is madness.

Stephen King's novel Under The Dome (not to be confused with the terrible tv show) is a brilliant study about human nature under stress. King's theme was that the danger came not from the dome itself, but how people trapped inside reacted to the dome. In a way, this Ebola scare is our dome moment. And we're not reacting very well.

Tim, we've discussed/argued for years, and you have always been respectful and you know I'm not taking things personal or meaning anything personal by what I'm saying. I've never jumped on the "attack Tim" bandwagon, and I'm sure you recognize that.

But I do think we just disagree here. At current rates, the 9,000 will be 18k in 3-4 weeks. Then 36,72,150k. That means in 2-3 months we are dealing with more sick ebola people than there are medical professionals to help them. And the run-rates from there are not something you want to think about. I think the US recognizes this, which is why Obama is taking it seriously.

All I'm saying is that if a private school or organization wants to ban travel from all African countries with ebola, who are we to question him?

To me, the 2 cases in Texas are irrelevant. I've stated this countless times on this thread. They will clamp down on these two cases. It's all about containing the 9k cases.

 

[Scoresman]

my facebook just told me that someone barfed and died on a plane from africa to new york. wtf is going on? people dont just barf and die like that.

 

[shader]

FTR I could NOT give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

couldn't resist.

Fair.

sorry man wrong thread for this. I catch crap from my wife all the time from saying "I could care less" so it jumped out at me.

 

[Harry Manback]

FTR I could NOT give a #### less if we ban travel to/from the entire continent of Africa.

I just don't think it will help anything, and in the long run, it will make things worse.

couldn't resist.

Fair.

sorry man wrong thread for this. I catch crap from my wife all the time from saying "I could care less" so it jumped out at me.

I meant it when I said fair.

My GF misuses your and you're all the time and I constantly give her ####.

 

[Harry Manback]

my facebook just told me that someone barfed and died on a plane from africa to new york. wtf is going on? people dont just barf and die like that.

Well, facebook can't lie so it has to be true.

 

[ArbyMelt]

any guesses on the date when the number of US Ebola victims > # of pages in this thread ?

 

[Harry Manback]

my facebook just told me that someone barfed and died on a plane from africa to new york. wtf is going on? people dont just barf and die like that.

Can't find too many reliable sources, but looks like this is true.

Sort of.

Not ebola, probably a heart attack with very poor timing.