Ebola (3 Viewers)

[Fennis]

update. Mukpo is now Ebola free.

Ebola patients treated in US: 8

Patients Infected in Africa: 6

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 5

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 12.5%

Cured: Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan, CDC gave info was OK to fly with low grade fever)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Meanwhile, in West Africa, by December it is expected there will be 10,000 new cases each week. And most of them will likely die.

feel free to start a west africa tracking post.

 

[timschochet]

update. Mukpo is now Ebola free.

Ebola patients treated in US: 8

Patients Infected in Africa: 6

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 5

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 12.5%

Cured: Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan, CDC gave info was OK to fly with low grade fever)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Meanwhile, in West Africa, by December it is expected there will be 10,000 new cases each week. And most of them will likely die.

Where are you getting this information? I can't find such a prediction anywhere.

 

[timschochet]

Get over it. Your nephew does not have ebola. Its a voluntary 21-day isolation. Nobody is forcing this on your nephew.

If you are angry over this, you should see someone professionally.

He entered the isolation because that's what the CDC recommended. Man, I admit, even I didn't realize just how much the FAA had becme full of ignorant, uncaring #######s nowadays. This place has become a freaking cesspool. I leave it to you all. You deserve each other.

I'm not trying to be rude here but I really have trouble believing this. If it's true it contradicts everything that the CDC has been saying publicly about this matter.

 

[jon_mx]

Get over it. Your nephew does not have ebola. Its a voluntary 21-day isolation. Nobody is forcing this on your nephew.

If you are angry over this, you should see someone professionally.

He entered the isolation because that's what the CDC recommended. Man, I admit, even I didn't realize just how much the FAA had becme full of ignorant, uncaring #######s nowadays. This place has become a freaking cesspool. I leave it to you all. You deserve each other.

I'm not trying to be rude here but I really have trouble believing this. If it's true it contradicts everything that the CDC has been saying publicly about this matter.

CDC asked the passengers to call them and so they could interview them about potential contact with the infected passenger. There is no blanket answer. CDC could have different recommendations to different passengers based on what they found out.

 

[fatness]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

 

[Psychopav]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

The disease, which is sometimes called triple E or sleeping sickness, presents in its more serious form in only about four percent of humans infected by the virus....

The disease proves fatal for about one-third of people who come down with more severe symptoms;

Yeah, people who think there's a difference between a 70% fatality rate and a 1.3% fatality rate are really stupid, aren't they. Stupid panickers. lol They're dumb.

 

[jon_mx]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

 

[fatness]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

The panic is here in the US.

 

[jon_mx]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

The panic is here in the US.

There is not a panic. There are some people over reacting. But there are people who over react to 100 other issues too.

 

[timschochet]

Get over it. Your nephew does not have ebola. Its a voluntary 21-day isolation. Nobody is forcing this on your nephew.

If you are angry over this, you should see someone professionally.

He entered the isolation because that's what the CDC recommended. Man, I admit, even I didn't realize just how much the FAA had becme full of ignorant, uncaring #######s nowadays. This place has become a freaking cesspool. I leave it to you all. You deserve each other.

I'm not trying to be rude here but I really have trouble believing this. If it's true it contradicts everything that the CDC has been saying publicly about this matter.

CDC asked the passengers to call them and so they could interview them about potential contact with the infected passenger. There is no blanket answer. CDC could have different recommendations to different passengers based on what they found out.

According to the earlier post, there was no contact with the infected passenger. So again, based on everything that CDC has said about this, I really doubt they recommended he isolate himself for 3 weeks. Perhaps he misunderstood them...

 

[timschochet]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

The panic is here in the US.

There is not a panic. There are some people over reacting. But there are people who over react to 100 other issues too.

You have been one of them.

And yes, when parents pull kids out of school because the principal was for a time several miles away from the hospital which treated Ebola, there is panic.

 

[jon_mx]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

The panic is here in the US.

There is not a panic. There are some people over reacting. But there are people who over react to 100 other issues too.

You have been one of them.And yes, when parents pull kids out of school because the principal was for a time several miles away from the hospital which treated Ebola, there is panic.

.This is idiotic. You are anti travel ban for purely PC reasons. These countries with epidemics going on, need to be quarantined from all other countries. It just took two travers to bring the disease from Guinea to Liberia. Now this is going to wipe out a significant portion of populations in several countries dead because of this, hopefully a serum developed soon to save some of these people. This is a legitimate policy debate of an extremely vital issue, and not a panic. We are talking a death toll which is quickly going to turn into 100,000 people in the next few months ahead. There are many countries which are not equipped to deal with containing Ebola.

I am not arguing for pulling kids out of schools here, and there are only a handful of examples of that here, so you this is just an ####### debate tactics to try to compare the two. A handful of examples is not a panic. Debating panics here and pointing out statistics here, is just serving to ignore an extremely important issue which needs massive international attention to bring it under control.

 

[jon_mx]

Get over it. Your nephew does not have ebola. Its a voluntary 21-day isolation. Nobody is forcing this on your nephew.

If you are angry over this, you should see someone professionally.

He entered the isolation because that's what the CDC recommended. Man, I admit, even I didn't realize just how much the FAA had becme full of ignorant, uncaring #######s nowadays. This place has become a freaking cesspool. I leave it to you all. You deserve each other.

I'm not trying to be rude here but I really have trouble believing this. If it's true it contradicts everything that the CDC has been saying publicly about this matter.

CDC asked the passengers to call them and so they could interview them about potential contact with the infected passenger. There is no blanket answer. CDC could have different recommendations to different passengers based on what they found out.

According to the earlier post, there was no contact with the infected passenger. So again, based on everything that CDC has said about this, I really doubt they recommended he isolate himself for 3 weeks. Perhaps he misunderstood them...

According to what the airline said to CDC. We don't know what the interviews with passengers turned up. Maybe the person interviewed talked to someone who put a more cautionary tone to it. I am sure the CDC is in a bit of CYA mode and did not rule out the possibility in talking to passengers. With that kind of spin, I doubt if any parent would want to put their child at any risk. Publicly the CDC is talking one game to reduce fears, privately they are trying to cover their butts a bit more.

 

[Tom Servo]

Well, not trying to rain on the fun parade, but I just received a call from my sister in Ohio. My nephew was on the airplane with Ms. Dumb #### Ebola Nurse. Needless to say, I am fairly angry with everyone involved at the Dallas hospital that somehow thought it would be a great idea to just clear these people to fly, jump on cruise ships, etc.

My nephew had to spend a little extra time in Cleveland until the CDC cleared him to return home. He is now in a voluntary 21 day isolation. The delay allowed his wife and children to vacate the house so he could immediately quaratine himself when he returned home, and his wife could continue to go to work and the kids to school. Otherwise they would have had to quarantine too. Since he was on company travel, his company is picking up the hotel and food tab for the family, for which they are extremey grateful. It would have been a fairly heavy financial burden for them otherwise.

They are trying to keep this all quiet as they fear repurcussions from those who may panic if they knew his situation. Unfortunately, being from a small town, word is already beginning to spread. He has to take his temperature each day and a nurse comes and views the thermometer through the window on the door. Also, he has to have groceries left on the porch, and he goes and picks them up once the delivery person has departed. Needless to say, this likely stands out to the neighbors. Hopefully no one decides they must "eliminate the threat" and do anything irrational. But with people today, you ever really know what they are capable of.

So, I'll go ahead and apologize in advance if I snap at anyone that is making light of the situation. I realize my viewpoint and anger level will probaby not be enitrely rational until his quarantine is up, he is fully healthy, and back with is family.

Get over it. Your nephew does not have ebola. Its a voluntary 21-day isolation. Nobody is forcing this on your nephew.

If you are angry over this, you should see someone professionally.

Seriously? I think he's more upset at Vinson for flying. Even 2 of my co-workers in Akron were quarantined as a precaution; this is not unusual considering the circumstances.

 

[Tom Servo]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

How about a little fire, scarecrow?

 

[cstu]

More people have died from Eastern Equine Encephalitis than from Ebola is the US this year. And there's no panic.

Would you please put away this strawman. The epidemic is not here in the US.

158,000 people died in Liberia from malaria in 2010.

2,400 have died from ebola.

 

[jon_mx]

update. Mukpo is now Ebola free.

Ebola patients treated in US: 8

Patients Infected in Africa: 6

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 5

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 12.5%

Cured: Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan, CDC gave info was OK to fly with low grade fever)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Meanwhile, in West Africa, by December it is expected there will be 10,000 new cases each week. And most of them will likely die.

Where are you getting this information? I can't find such a prediction anywhere.

That is what the WHO projected a few weeks ago. Did you really search outside of msnbc? That report is everywhere. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/10000-ebola-cases-week-26179330

 

[fatness]

There is not a panic.

 

[matuski]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

 

[fatness]

Navarro College, a two-year college about 60 miles from Dallas, sent out rejection letters to some applicants from Nigeria because the country had a few Ebola cases.

"With sincere regret, I must report that Navarro College is not able to offer you acceptance for the Spring 2015 term," the letter read. "Unfortunately, Navarro College is not accepting international students from countries with confirmed Ebola cases."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/health/ebola-overreaction/index.html

 

[Tom Servo]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

And yet 2 nurses have done just that...

 

[matuski]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

And yet 2 nurses have done just that...

Yep.

I shared with everyone here early on that the nurses did not protect themselves. It was obvious before my sources backed it up.. now verified by the CDC.

 

[fatness]

Encouraging panic.

"If you bring two doctors who happen to have that specialty (Ebola) into a room, one will say, 'No, it will never become airborne, but it could mutate so it would be harder to discover.' Another doctor will say, 'If it continues to mutate at the rate it's mutating, and we go from 20,000 infected to 100,000, the population might allow it to mutate and become airborne, and then it will be a serious problem.' I don't know who is right." -- Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN.

Ebola isn't transmitted through the air. It is transmitted through direct contact by bodily fluids with an Ebola-infected person showing symptoms of the disease.

"If someone has Ebola at a cocktail party, they're contagious and you can catch it from them. -- Sen. Rand Paul, a physician and potential 2016 presidential candidate

Paul also made other remarks regarding direct contact: "They say all it takes is direct contact to get this. If you listen carefully, they say being three feet from someone is direct contact. That's not what most Americans think is direct contact."

Without directly addressing Paul's claims about contact over three feet, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Thomas Frieden indicated that's not a possible mode of transmission for the virus. "Should you be worried you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone?" Frieden said, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. "The answer to that is no."

"Reports of illegal migrants carrying deadly diseases such as swine flu, dengue fever, Ebola virus and tuberculosis are particularly concerning." -- Georgia Republican Rep. Phil Gingrey, a medical doctor, wrote to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Gingrey and other Republicans have claimed that Latino immigrants are carriers for Ebola, particularly via the U.S.-Mexico border.

Finally, talk radio host Michael Savage said President Barack Obama wants to infect America with Ebola.

"There is not a sane reason to take three- or four-thousand troops and send them into a hot Ebola zone without expecting at least one of them to come back with Ebola, unless you want to infect the nation with Ebola," Savage said.

 

[fatness]

Syracuse University disinvites Washington Post photographer because he was in Liberia 3 weeks ago

Du Cille and his wife, Nikki Kahn, both Pulitzer prize-winning Post photojournalists, were scheduled to take part in portfolio reviews and critique sessions at the university’s Newhouse School of Public Communications. The school’s dean, Lorraine Branham, said a student who was researching du Cille prior to the workshop found out he had recently returned from Liberia and expressed concern. Provost Eric Spina spoke with health officials and made the call.

“It’s a disappointment to me,” du Cille said. “I’m pissed off and embarrassed and completely weirded out that a journalism institution that should be seeking out facts and details is basically pandering to hysteria.”

 

[fatness]

During an interview with Fox News Radio last week, Ablow echoed what he had written in a column days earlier, arguing that President Obama was deliberately allowing Ebola to spread in the United States because his "affinities" are with Africa and because the United States has "visited a plague of colonialism that has devastated much of the world."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/keith-ablow-race-hustler-fox

 

[Apple Jack]

Encouraging panic.

Well, there is an election coming up and there is no threat advisory scale to raise anymore.

 

[msommer]

update. Mukpo is now Ebola free.

Ebola patients treated in US: 8

Patients Infected in Africa: 6

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 5

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 12.5%

Cured: Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan, CDC gave info was OK to fly with low grade fever)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Meanwhile, in West Africa, by December it is expected there will be 10,000 new cases each week. And most of them will likely die.

Where are you getting this information? I can't find such a prediction anywhere.

That is what the WHO projected a few weeks ago. Did you really search outside of msnbc? That report is everywhere.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/10000-ebola-cases-week-26179330

Especially for you jon, I'm going to post this article from bbc again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29628481

Ebola outbreak: How many people have died?

How many people have died from Ebola in West Africa?

It sounds an easy question, but the answer is certainly not.

The most recent official figure from the World Health Organization puts the number of deaths at 4,493.

But 12,000 could be a better estimate. Getting to this figure highlights a number of issues with the Ebola data.

How many cases?

First of all there is a fair bit of uncertainty about how many people have Ebola.

The ones we know about stand at 8,997 - this is made up of confirmed, suspected and probable cases.

However, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have some of the worst-funded healthcare systems in the world.

We know people are contracting the disease, and dying from it, without being noticed.

Based on small trials, agencies including the WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control are taking an "educated guess" that the figure is around twice that.

The widely reported estimate of 10,000 cases per week by December uses this doubling to account for under-reporting.

"We get that because 5,000 is the midpoint of our modelling scenarios and if we allow for under-reporting [by a factor of two] then that's 10,000," said Dr Christopher Dye, the director of strategy in the office of the director general at the WHO.

Use the same principle and the number of cases now could be around 18,000.

What is the death rate?

Looking at the official figures again - 8,997 cases and 4,493 deaths - you might think that roughly half of patients die.

"This is wrong," Dr Dye told me.

The data is, quite frankly, a bit of a mess.

Take the WHO Ebola response roadmap update on 10 October. It has more confirmed deaths in Liberia from Ebola (1,072) than actual cases (943).

This confusing set of figures comes about by collecting data on cases and deaths separately.

Also, comparing current cases and current deaths does not take account of people living with the disease for some time before either dying or recovering.

What you need is quality data and the best comes from a report in the New England Journal of Medicine.

A team, including scientists at Imperial College London, looked at a sub-set of patients with full medical records from diagnosis through to either recovery or death.

Dr Dye told the BBC: "On the basis of this analysis, our best estimate is a 60-70% case fatality and it's sensible to use a range as there are variations from one place to another."

Use the 70% figure on the 18,000 estimated cases and it seems around 12,000 are either dead or dying.

Clearly that is not a definitive figure, but getting there shows how messy some of the data are.

And this is the same basic data being used to reach forecasts of 1.4 million cases by January or 10,000 new cases a week by December.

Take a moment to read the last three lines.

10,000 a week is a guess, based on a projection of a guess

 

[culdeus]

During an interview with Fox News Radio last week, Ablow echoed what he had written in a column days earlier, arguing that President Obama was deliberately allowing Ebola to spread in the United States because his "affinities" are with Africa and because the United States has "visited a plague of colonialism that has devastated much of the world."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/keith-ablow-race-hustler-fox

I buy this

 

[Tom Servo]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

And yet 2 nurses have done just that...

Yep.

I shared with everyone here early on that the nurses did not protect themselves. It was obvious before my sources backed it up.. now verified by the CDC.

Deep Throat?

 

[Tom Servo]

During an interview with Fox News Radio last week, Ablow echoed what he had written in a column days earlier, arguing that President Obama was deliberately allowing Ebola to spread in the United States because his "affinities" are with Africa and because the United States has "visited a plague of colonialism that has devastated much of the world."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/keith-ablow-race-hustler-fox

I buy this

Egad. Really?

 

[3C's]

During an interview with Fox News Radio last week, Ablow echoed what he had written in a column days earlier, arguing that President Obama was deliberately allowing Ebola to spread in the United States because his "affinities" are with Africa and because the United States has "visited a plague of colonialism that has devastated much of the world."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/keith-ablow-race-hustler-fox

I buy this

Egad. Really?

That "doc" is a flippin quack.

 

[matuski]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

And yet 2 nurses have done just that...

Yep.

I shared with everyone here early on that the nurses did not protect themselves. It was obvious before my sources backed it up.. now verified by the CDC.

Deep Throat?

Yes please.

 

[Doug B]

According to the earlier post, there was no contact [between TxBuckeye's nephew and] the infected passenger. So again, based on everything that CDC has said about this, I really doubt they recommended he isolate himself for 3 weeks. Perhaps he misunderstood them...

Going by the accounts of the male dancers that were on the plane with Vinson, they were both sitting about 3 feet away from Vinson and were advised to voluntarily quarantine. I am assuming they were either directly behind or directly in front of her.

In any case, the CDC's advice to passengers on Vinson's flight may vary based on where they were sitting. Vinson way up front, passenger in back? No real danger. But anyone within several feet of Vinson would've been in range of droplets from an uncovered sneeze.

No one on that flight's going to end up getting Ebola from Vinson. But for those that were sitting fairly close to her on the flight, self-quarantining is a reasonable can't-hurt-could-help CYA maneuver.

 

[Doug B]

"If someone has Ebola at a cocktail party, they're contagious and you can catch it from them. -- Sen. Rand Paul, a physician and potential 2016 presidential candidate

Paul also made other remarks regarding direct contact: "They say all it takes is direct contact to get this. If you listen carefully, they say being three feet from someone is direct contact. That's not what most Americans think is direct contact."Without directly addressing Paul's claims about contact over three feet, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Thomas Frieden indicated that's not a possible mode of transmission for the virus. "Should you be worried you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone?" Frieden said, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. "The answer to that is no."

"Direct contact" is a paraphrase ... it should be understood as "direct contact with body fluids, e.g. sneeze droplets". That's why three feet (actually, a little further) is sometimes given as an off-the-cuff number.

The cocktail-party-carrier meme: one of the fortunate things about Ebola is that by the time a patient is shedding virus, they're feeling far too sick to carry on in society with their usual routine. AFAIK, there's no such thing as a "silent carrier" of Ebola -- someone infected with Ebola, has absolutely no symptoms, and is going around infecting other people.

 

[Henry Ford]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

And yet 2 nurses have done just that...

Yep.

I shared with everyone here early on that the nurses did not protect themselves. It was obvious before my sources backed it up.. now verified by the CDC.

Deep Throat?

No wonder they caught ebola.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Angry at someone because they are taking precautions advised to them by the CDC? Interesting.

 

[El Floppo]

Angry at someone because they are taking precautions advised to them by the CDC? Interesting.

I'm angry at you for your spelling.

 

[timschochet]

Perhaps America's most idiotic congressman, Steve King of Iowa, manages to brilliantly tie Ebola to the border, illegal immigrants, ISIS, and President Obama's desire to make us part of Africa:

http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/21/rep-steve-king-undocumented-immigrants-bringing-ebola-beheadings-to-u-s/

In video captured by the Iowa Republican, King went on a long tirade claiming that America is becoming “a third-world country” because of “the things that are coming at us from across the border,” including illegal drugs, Central American children of “prime gang recruitment age,” ISIS, a childhood respiratory illness that has spread in recent weeks, and the Ebola virus.

The ISIS and respiratory disease claims are based on unsubstantiated reports in the right-wing media, while there is absolutely no link between border enforcement and Ebola or the Oklahoma beheading incident…

Later, in response to a question about President Obama’s supposed penchant for golf, King mused on how President Obama wants “to treat people in Africa as if they were American citizens.”

“What is his vision for this country?” he asked. “He must think now that he’s president of the world, that he’s going to treat people in Africa as if they were American citizens and somehow we can’t define this American sovereignty or American citizenship.”

I actually heard King say this, and he used World Net Daily at his main source. He was introduced before the speech by Donald Trump, who stated that King is "my favorite congressman, who is right about everything!"

 

[Bucky86]

Has it expanded exponentially in the U.S. yet?

 

[timschochet]

Has it expanded exponentially in the U.S. yet?

There were zero. Now there are two.

So, yes.

 

[jon_mx]

"If someone has Ebola at a cocktail party, they're contagious and you can catch it from them. -- Sen. Rand Paul, a physician and potential 2016 presidential candidate

Paul also made other remarks regarding direct contact: "They say all it takes is direct contact to get this. If you listen carefully, they say being three feet from someone is direct contact. That's not what most Americans think is direct contact."

Without directly addressing Paul's claims about contact over three feet, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Thomas Frieden indicated that's not a possible mode of transmission for the virus. "Should you be worried you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone?" Frieden said, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. "The answer to that is no."

"Direct contact" is a paraphrase ... it should be understood as "direct contact with body fluids, e.g. sneeze droplets". That's why three feet (actually, a little further) is sometimes given as an off-the-cuff number.

The cocktail-party-carrier meme: one of the fortunate things about Ebola is that by the time a patient is shedding virus, they're feeling far too sick to carry on in society with their usual routine. AFAIK, there's no such thing as a "silent carrier" of Ebola -- someone infected with Ebola, has absolutely no symptoms, and is going around infecting other people.

Sexual contact may throw a bit of a wrench in that.

 

[jon_mx]

update. Mukpo is now Ebola free.

Ebola patients treated in US: 8

Patients Infected in Africa: 6

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 5

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 12.5%

Cured: Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan, CDC gave info was OK to fly with low grade fever)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Meanwhile, in West Africa, by December it is expected there will be 10,000 new cases each week. And most of them will likely die.

Where are you getting this information? I can't find such a prediction anywhere.

That is what the WHO projected a few weeks ago. Did you really search outside of msnbc? That report is everywhere.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/10000-ebola-cases-week-26179330

Especially for you jon, I'm going to post this article from bbc again.http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29628481

Ebola outbreak: How many people have died?

How many people have died from Ebola in West Africa?

It sounds an easy question, but the answer is certainly not.

The most recent official figure from the World Health Organization puts the number of deaths at 4,493.

But 12,000 could be a better estimate. Getting to this figure highlights a number of issues with the Ebola data.

How many cases?

First of all there is a fair bit of uncertainty about how many people have Ebola.

The ones we know about stand at 8,997 - this is made up of confirmed, suspected and probable cases.

However, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have some of the worst-funded healthcare systems in the world.

We know people are contracting the disease, and dying from it, without being noticed.

Based on small trials, agencies including the WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control are taking an "educated guess" that the figure is around twice that.

The widely reported estimate of 10,000 cases per week by December uses this doubling to account for under-reporting.

"We get that because 5,000 is the midpoint of our modelling scenarios and if we allow for under-reporting [by a factor of two] then that's 10,000," said Dr Christopher Dye, the director of strategy in the office of the director general at the WHO.

Use the same principle and the number of cases now could be around 18,000.

What is the death rate?

Looking at the official figures again - 8,997 cases and 4,493 deaths - you might think that roughly half of patients die.

"This is wrong," Dr Dye told me.

The data is, quite frankly, a bit of a mess.

Take the WHO Ebola response roadmap update on 10 October. It has more confirmed deaths in Liberia from Ebola (1,072) than actual cases (943).

This confusing set of figures comes about by collecting data on cases and deaths separately.

Also, comparing current cases and current deaths does not take account of people living with the disease for some time before either dying or recovering.

What you need is quality data and the best comes from a report in the New England Journal of Medicine.

A team, including scientists at Imperial College London, looked at a sub-set of patients with full medical records from diagnosis through to either recovery or death.

Dr Dye told the BBC: "On the basis of this analysis, our best estimate is a 60-70% case fatality and it's sensible to use a range as there are variations from one place to another."

Use the 70% figure on the 18,000 estimated cases and it seems around 12,000 are either dead or dying.

Clearly that is not a definitive figure, but getting there shows how messy some of the data are.

And this is the same basic data being used to reach forecasts of 1.4 million cases by January or 10,000 new cases a week by December.

Take a moment to read the last three lines.10,000 a week is a guess, based on a projection of a guess

It is a projection based on the fact that the known cases of Ebola have been doubling every three weeks for the past 6 months. It is quite possible that guess will be low. It is a very realistic estimation of the problem.

 

[dhockster]

There once was a man with Ebola

Who liked to drink coca-cola

When you hear him cough

Don't laugh it off

Get him some industrial strength Ricola

 

[joffer]

Perhaps America's most idiotic congressman, Steve King of Iowa, manages to brilliantly tie Ebola to the border, illegal immigrants, ISIS, and President Obama's desire to make us part of Africa:

http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/21/rep-steve-king-undocumented-immigrants-bringing-ebola-beheadings-to-u-s/

In video captured by the Iowa Republican, King went on a long tirade claiming that America is becoming “a third-world country” because of “the things that are coming at us from across the border,” including illegal drugs, Central American children of “prime gang recruitment age,” ISIS, a childhood respiratory illness that has spread in recent weeks, and the Ebola virus.

The ISIS and respiratory disease claims are based on unsubstantiated reports in the right-wing media, while there is absolutely no link between border enforcement and Ebola or the Oklahoma beheading incident…

Later, in response to a question about President Obama’s supposed penchant for golf, King mused on how President Obama wants “to treat people in Africa as if they were American citizens.”

“What is his vision for this country?” he asked. “He must think now that he’s president of the world, that he’s going to treat people in Africa as if they were American citizens and somehow we can’t define this American sovereignty or American citizenship.”

I actually heard King say this, and he used World Net Daily at his main source. He was introduced before the speech by Donald Trump, who stated that King is "my favorite congressman, who is right about everything!"

nothing new. he wins elections by making ignorant people afraid. and he's good at it.

 

[B-Deep]

https://twitter.com/BiIIMurray/status/524954378248388608

 

[Doug B]

Sexual contact may throw a bit of a wrench in that.

That's body fluid in contact with mucous membranes. Not an exception.

You know what's interesting, though? While ebola viruses have been found in semen months after patients have gotten over ebola, I've not yet seen evidence that ebola has ever been spread sexually once a formerly-infected person has been otherwised been cleared of the illness. Another research project for me.

 

[culdeus]

During an interview with Fox News Radio last week, Ablow echoed what he had written in a column days earlier, arguing that President Obama was deliberately allowing Ebola to spread in the United States because his "affinities" are with Africa and because the United States has "visited a plague of colonialism that has devastated much of the world."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/keith-ablow-race-hustler-fox

I buy this

Egad. Really?

:whoosh:

 

[Apple Jack]

cases of Ebola have been doubling every three weeks for the past 6 months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAF1eELjxzM

 

[The Z Machine]

Things still OK in Ghana. Ministry of Health is being a #### though since they are insisting on IRB approval for interviews.

 

[jon_mx]

Sexual contact may throw a bit of a wrench in that.

That's body fluid in contact with mucous membranes. Not an exception.

You know what's interesting, though? While ebola viruses have been found in semen months after patients have gotten over ebola, I've not yet seen evidence that ebola has ever been spread sexually once a formerly-infected person has been otherwised been cleared of the illness. Another research project for me.

That was part of my point is can it be spread that way prior to showing symptoms.