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General Tso
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Dumb blond reporter on CNN just postulated, "They probably didn't even take him into the emergency room, but right into the isolation room".
Ya think?
Ya think?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Fennis
Footballguy
Fennis
Footballguy
We have divided ourselves into two camps. Most of you will want to join the "OMG EBOLA IS IN NEW YORK, WERE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!" side. Don't worry in 2 weeks or so the symptoms will pass and you will move on to the "I was never in a panic, I just want a travel ban is all" stage. That stage may last for a while. Good luck all.uke:
Enjoy your stay. Try not to break anything.
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Nick Vermeil
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Glad to be here. Daily L train rider. Not worried.
My wife on the other hand is ####ting herself.
The General
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shadyridr
Footballguy
dont get any feces on yourself
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
I just don't understand why anyone, but especially healthcare workers treating Ebola patients, would not self-quarantine for 21 days to a month. If I were treating Ebola patients, I would not go near anyone.
I get that it's probably boring, but #######it, tv has like 8 million channels. Or ####in read a few books.
I get that it's probably boring, but #######it, tv has like 8 million channels. Or ####in read a few books.
fantasycurse42
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internet porn down
fatness
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TheIronSheik
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Yes. You are correct. Minus the mistake of putting hours instead of days. And I've stated this a couple of times in this thread. Amazingly, if we would have done it the way I've suggested, we wouldn't have had an infected doctor walking around NYC, riding subways and going bowling.
I'm not saying they shouldn't come back. Just seems irresponsible to have someone handling Ebola patients just be allowed to come back to the US and mingle within the population until they do or do not develop the disease themselves.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I think there is legitimately a 3-4 percent chance of this happening on a given day in NYC. I don't know if thats a "thing" but I've seen the efforts of what I can only hope are homeless in the morning in the financial district. Almost like a game to see who can leave the most landmines on the sidestreets there.
TheIronSheik
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Not sure it has anything to do with being guilty. But if you're handling Ebola feces and Ebola puke while caring for Ebola patients, yeah, I'm thinking maybe you should wait out the incubation period before you return home.
And for people who keep saying, "Nice. So you want them to have to stay in Africa?" They chose to go there. It's not like we shipped them off to another country.
Doug B
Footballguy
Yeah, I effed this up. Mea culpa. Totally wrong on my part -- Spencer was self-monitoring his temperature and vitals, but was NOT self-quarantining.
Doug B
Footballguy
There are none. Not direct from the affected countries to the U.S., anyway.
Banning the flights from Brussels, on the other hand, might work. Both Duncan and Spencer came in from there.
RUSF18
Footballguy
I'm more surprised that these doctors, who are being so selfless by going over there to help people and putting themselves in harm's way, don't apply the same mindset when coming back before kissing their girlfriends or spending a night with friends. It just seems so inconsistent.
Swing 51
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Baloney Sandwich
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The General
Footballguy
Very hipster to catch the Ebola, then go bowling. Probably told his friends he had it before anyone else had heard of it.
Doug B
Footballguy
Because it's currently accepted as iron-clad fact that ebola cannot be spread by a asymptomatic carrier. If new information ever comes in to change that understanding, hopefully behaviors will change as well.
Amber Vinson's fellow passengers flying from Cleveland to Dallas were Test Case 1. The Uber riders and Craig Spencer's bowling buddies in NYC will be Test Case 2. Will an asymptomatic Ebola patient ever spread the virus to another person thgough social means a la colds and flu? Stay tuned.
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IvanKaramazov
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You are asking someone to give up 21 days of their life, without any indication that they are a risk to others. You are essentially saying we are going to assume you have ebola until you prove otherwise.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Ebola is the topic of conversation around the water cooler in the office today...
The General
Footballguy
If you have been taking care of Ebola patients sounds about right.
Think of it as a vacation.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
You mean besides having treated people with an infectious disease?
I'm not saying a quarantine is necessarily worth it -- I'm not qualified to even have an opinion on that. But this isn't a "personal liberty" issue.
TheIronSheik
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Yes. That's how quarantines work.
TheIronSheik
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Why not have the doctors do 21 days of work that doesn't have them touching Ebola patients?
culdeus
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timschochet
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Why not?
TheIronSheik
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I believe this. But it's not a black and white issue. The problem, for me, is the gray area. People don't go from not sick to sick instantaneously. At what point does it become contagious? I've gone to work before thinking I was just slightly under the weather, then had to leave early because it turned out I had the flu.
I'll go on record here again as saying I don't think we'll see a huge outbreak from 1 person to thousands in the U.S. But unless we figure out a way to fight this, the spread is real. It may not kill a million people, but there's a very good chance it could kill a bunch. Should we be panicking? No. Should we be worried? Yeah, I think so. I think anyone who is playing Ebola off like it's a joke is as ridiculous as the people who think the US will see an outbreak before Christmas.
Doug B
Footballguy
Why not what? Why not believe that asymptomatic carriers can't spread Ebola? Or are you doubtful/curious and asking for the reasons asymptomatic carriers can't spread Ebola?
shader
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
I believe the line as long as there is a clear distinction between no symptoms and symptoms. But if the person can be confusing their normal "feeling kinda run down" at the end of a long workday, with the very initial onset of Ebola symptoms, that's obviously an issue. I am completely ignorant on that though, maybe this hits you like a ton of bricks.
shader
Footballguy
I think the fact that they are treating ebola patients puts them at risk to others.
Treating people with an infection does not equate to contracting the disease. You are making assumptions about a person, not supported by the facts.You mean besides having treated people with an infectious disease?
I'm not saying a quarantine is necessarily worth it -- I'm not qualified to even have an opinion on that. But this isn't a "personal liberty" issue.
If someone is symptomatic, then yes, they should be quarantined. If this was a case where people were contagious for a period before showing symptoms, I would be ok with quarantines. Based on what we know now, simply putting someone in quarantine who has been in contact with a ebola patient is not warranted - just like its not necessary to quarantine someone who has come in contact with an HIV patient, or a flu patient, or any other contagious disease patient.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Nobody's girlfriend or family member has been infected. Just the health workers who had direct contact with Ebola patients or specimens. The doctor monitoring temperature and symptoms is 100% the proper protocol. You're not contagious until symptoms manifest, so he likely was not contagious while bowling. Should you maybe not take public transit or go out of feeling rundown within 21 days of handling Ebola poop? Probably, but probably not necessary either.
Doug B
Footballguy
This is also a mental nag that I share. I don't worry at all about the gray area around the onset of the fever, though. I worry about the very early coughing and sneezing. However, I rationalize that by telling myself I'd have to both be very close and fairly gross (e.g. getting sneezed on and then not washing up immediately) to have any risk of contraction.
From what I can gather from Ebola, it does seem to come on very fast. From no fever (?) Wednesday night to a 103o fever 12-16 hours later is pretty damn rapid. That gray area probably exists, but it seems to be a tiny target.
shader
Footballguy
They don't know for sure. Ebola, and especially this strain of ebola, has a lot of unknown quantities. Do I believe it's very unlikely to get it from an asymptomatic person? Yes.
They are trying to calm the public down, and there is probably some merit in that. People are freaking out that this doctor went to the bowling alley, that the nurse rode on the plane, etc. But what harm is there in saying "it's unlikely that it can be spread if you are asymptomatic."
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