Ebola (1 Viewer)

[Ditka Butkus]

I would like to welcome the flood of New Yorkers to our little thread.

Not a New Yorker but just went on a quick trip October 16-19th..... JFK, Manhattan, and Williamsburg Brooklyn (pies and thighs)...about a mile from the bowling alley this hump was at.....Some doctor...Hey I just got back from treating ebola patients...I think I will go mingle with 4 million of my closest friends...I told the ####### government several weeks ago to start quarantining these people when they return.

Great recap.

thanks... I hope he wasn't the sweaty guy I yelled at when he was trying to muscle his way past me getting on the jammed packed number 2 train outside of central park Saturday.

I'd start getting your affairs in order GB. Being a mile from where an Ebola patient will eventually be is practically a death sentence.

Believe me...If the way my co-workers are avoiding me are an indication...you may be right.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Remind me to cancel my dinner with Doug

Are you sure? He made sandwiches.

 

[Fennis]

I would like to welcome the flood of New Yorkers to our little thread.

Not a New Yorker but just went on a quick trip October 16-19th..... JFK, Manhattan, and Williamsburg Brooklyn (pies and thighs)...about a mile from the bowling alley this hump was at.....Some doctor...Hey I just got back from treating ebola patients...I think I will go mingle with 4 million of my closest friends...I told the ####### government several weeks ago to start quarantining these people when they return.

Great recap.

thanks... I hope he wasn't the sweaty guy I yelled at when he was trying to muscle his way past me getting on the jammed packed number 2 train outside of central park Saturday.

I'd start getting your affairs in order GB. Being a mile from where an Ebola patient will eventually be is practically a death sentence.

Believe me...If the way my co-workers are avoiding me are an indication...you may be right.

:softball:

 

[RUSF18]

We are overlooking something very important. How serious of a bowler is this doctor? Did he bring his own ball and shoes? The fate of the human race may be decided by this.

On a scale of A to E, I'd call him an E Bowler

:drumroll:

I'm really the first one to applaud this?

 

[Doug B]

2) Well, you basically said you would feel perfectly safe if an Ebola patient vomited on your hands (and you cleaned up) and that if an Ebola patient showered/washed hands and made a sandwich you would eat it.

Your quote after washing off Ebola puke: "As for touching the baby in NICU -- no chance of me passing on Ebola, but my other hand would be grubby with other pathogens."

OK, thank you. This is all accurate.

EDIT: However, I think it would be fair of you to note that my protocol for removing the vomit from my hand is a little more fleshed out than "cleaning up".

 

[Fennis]

We are overlooking something very important. How serious of a bowler is this doctor? Did he bring his own ball and shoes? The fate of the human race may be decided by this.

On a scale of A to E, I'd call him an E Bowler

:drumroll:

I'm really the first one to applaud this?

it was like the 5th e-bowling related joke

 

[urbanhack]

I would like to welcome the flood of New Yorkers to our little thread.

Not a New Yorker but just went on a quick trip October 16-19th..... JFK, Manhattan, and Williamsburg Brooklyn (pies and thighs)...about a mile from the bowling alley this hump was at.....Some doctor...Hey I just got back from treating ebola patients...I think I will go mingle with 4 million of my closest friends...I told the ####### government several weeks ago to start quarantining these people when they return.

Great recap.

thanks... I hope he wasn't the sweaty guy I yelled at when he was trying to muscle his way past me getting on the jammed packed number 2 train outside of central park Saturday.

iTUff.

No just a 52 year old angry white man that doesn't like being knocked around by anybody...let alone a rude sweaty New Yorker. Manners boy...I say, I say where are your manners.

ftfy

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I would like to welcome the flood of New Yorkers to our little thread.

Not a New Yorker but just went on a quick trip October 16-19th..... JFK, Manhattan, and Williamsburg Brooklyn (pies and thighs)...about a mile from the bowling alley this hump was at.....Some doctor...Hey I just got back from treating ebola patients...I think I will go mingle with 4 million of my closest friends...I told the ####### government several weeks ago to start quarantining these people when they return.

Great recap.

thanks... I hope he wasn't the sweaty guy I yelled at when he was trying to muscle his way past me getting on the jammed packed number 2 train outside of central park Saturday.

I'd start getting your affairs in order GB. Being a mile from where an Ebola patient will eventually be is practically a death sentence.

Central Park? 2 train? Williamsburg Brooklyn? JFK? Manhattan? Pies and Thighs? A mile from teh Ebolaz? TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR EXCITING ADVENTURE TO THE BIG CITY, PA!

Well if you really want to hear ....We started out Thursday by taking the kids down to Freedom Tower and then a quick trip over to the Statue of Liberty, then that evening went to show them Times Square...That about covers day 1...Friday we went over to Brooklyn as I mentioned before, and spent most of the day there, later that evening we went and saw the Broadway show Pippen....Saturday we went up to Central Park, and then down to Little Italy for lunch....Then after that I took my girls to the garment district to shop and my wife went and purchased show tickets to If/then...That night while my wife and kids were at the show, I went to the hotel bar and drank beer and irish whiskey and watched Florida state and Notre Dame,,,that about covers the highlights...thanks for asking...

 

[Fennis]

Pippen is a good show. Hope you liked it. Better stay out of the first couple of rows though. Lots of spittle coming from the stage. Those Ps and S's are tough.

 

[matuski]

But when someone does and still becomes infected, it might suggests that Ebola is a bit more contagious than believed.

A suspicion of mine, no info or data:

When a healthcare worker does contract Ebola, it always represents a breach in protocol or some kind of an accident. Every time. Perhaps an incredibly subtle breach, but a breach nonetheless.

...

When you say that "Ebola is a bit more contagious than believed", what do you mean? Can you put a finer point on it? For isntance, do you feel like there is a method of transmission that is being downplayed or ignored?

Breach in protocol is one way, the just as likely scenario is purely human error - an accident.

There are semi ridiculous lengths hospitals go to for sharps protocol, people still get stuck. Protocols don't prevent #### from happening, and #### happens.

 

[sn0mm1s]

But when someone does and still becomes infected, it might suggests that Ebola is a bit more contagious than believed.

A suspicion of mine, no info or data:

When a healthcare worker does contract Ebola, it always represents a breach in protocol or some kind of an accident. Every time. Perhaps an incredibly subtle breach, but a breach nonetheless.

...

When you say that "Ebola is a bit more contagious than believed", what do you mean? Can you put a finer point on it? For isntance, do you feel like there is a method of transmission that is being downplayed or ignored?

Breach in protocol is one way, the just as likely scenario is purely human error - an accident.

There are semi ridiculous lengths hospitals go to for sharps protocol, people still get stuck. Protocols don't prevent #### from happening, and #### happens.

The assumption here is that the current protocols are sufficient. It may be there were no breach in protocols and no accidents but that the current protocol isn't robust enough to handle an Ebola patient (in an average hospital). BSL4 lab containment protocol is significantly more comprehensive than what an average hospital can do despite the fact that we can only assume an Ebola patient is generating billions of times more uncontrolled/uncontained virus in the form of infected material/waste/fluids etc. etc. than a BSL4 lab would be with experiments. I am pretty certain that a single day with late stage vomiting/bleeding/diarrhea contains more Ebola virus than any laboratory setting works over quite an extended timeframe.

 

[The General]

Saw on the news ticker Feds are reconsidering quarantine policy for medical workers coming from West Africa.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Saw on the news ticker Feds are reconsidering quarantine policy for medical workers coming from West Africa.

They must have got my e-mail...

 

[3C's]

All this talk and I have no idea if this has been posted. They do great work and are highly rated on Charity Navigator. Probably needed now more than ever. https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/onetime.cfm

 

[El Floppo]

All this talk and I have no idea if this has been posted. They do great work and are highly rated on Charity Navigator. Probably needed now more than ever. https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/onetime.cfm

won't I get the ebola from donating?

 

[Fennis]

There have been 4 or 5 aid workers get Ebola in West Africa. I wonder how many US aid workers have been there during that time frame? Surely it is less than 1% of aid workers getting sick. Its pretty low regardless. Not sure its good public policy to de-incentivize people from going over there to help, by forcing a 21 day quarantine on them when they return.

How long are they gone for? Why does 21 days seem like a long time to you? As I've stated before, I'm sure there is other work that they can do over there for 21 days that doesn't require them touching Ebola patients. Why not finish out your stay there by putting in 21 days of non-contact work?

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=209&sid=3728770&pid=0&page=2

Johnson said his staff members would not be deterred from serving in Ebola-stricken countries if they were required to remain isolated in their homes for 21 days upon their return. But such measures could discourage volunteers, he said.

Nurses, doctors and others who hold down regular jobs back home would say, "I want to go over and help for a month, but now you're telling me that when I get back I can't go to work for 21 days?" Johnson said. "Yes, I think that will dampen the generous spirit of people in the U.S. who want to go help."

Johnson was echoed by Dr. Rick Sacra, a Massachusetts physician who was infected with Ebola while doing medical aid work in Liberia. He was evacuated to a specialized treatment center in Nebraska, recovered and was released last month.

"A three-week complete quarantine would eliminate two-thirds to three-quarters of the volunteers from the U.S." going to West Africa, he said. "They wouldn't be able to spare the time."

 

[3C's]

All this talk and I have no idea if this has been posted. They do great work and are highly rated on Charity Navigator. Probably needed now more than ever. https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/onetime.cfm

won't I get the ebola from donating?

not if you donate enough. 1% privilege.

 

[jamny]

Ebola plush toys fly off the shelf for Connecticut company

Reuters) - It may be the only time you will find these words in the same sentence: "Ebola" and "Add to Wishlist."

Giantmicrobes Inc., which makes a line of plush toys based on viruses and other microscopic organisms, has sold out its entire Ebola stock, including the small Ebola doll for $9.95, a Gigantic Ebola doll for $29.95 and an Ebola Petri Dish toy for $14.95, according to the company's website.

"Since its discovery in 1976, Ebola has become the T. Rex of microbes," says the Stamford, Connecticut-based maker of the "uniquely contagious toy" on its website, which promotes them as gag gifts that also have educational value.

With the latest Ebola outbreak, which already killed more than 4,500 people, mostly in West Africa, customers have snapped up the toy, which looks like half a pretzel.

"You do not want to get Ebola," warns the website. "A short incubation period of 2 to 21 days presages symptoms which include fever, aches, sore throat, and weakness, followed by diarrhea, stomach pain, vomiting, and both internal and external bleeding. And then, for between 50-90 percent of victims, death."

Giantmicrobes lists the World Health Organization as one of its largest customers, along with pharmaceutical companies and the American Red Cross.

Anyone disappointed by the current shortage of the Ebola toys can click on "Add to Wishlist" and wait for more stock to arrive. Or make a different selection from the company's array of other plush toys, including Anthrax, Botulism, Cholera and Dengue Fever.

It was not clear how many of the toys have been sold and the company could not be reached for comment.

 

[Fennis]

Ebola plush toys fly off the shelf for Connecticut company

Reuters) - It may be the only time you will find these words in the same sentence: "Ebola" and "Add to Wishlist."

Giantmicrobes Inc., which makes a line of plush toys based on viruses and other microscopic organisms, has sold out its entire Ebola stock, including the small Ebola doll for $9.95, a Gigantic Ebola doll for $29.95 and an Ebola Petri Dish toy for $14.95, according to the company's website.

"Since its discovery in 1976, Ebola has become the T. Rex of microbes," says the Stamford, Connecticut-based maker of the "uniquely contagious toy" on its website, which promotes them as gag gifts that also have educational value.

With the latest Ebola outbreak, which already killed more than 4,500 people, mostly in West Africa, customers have snapped up the toy, which looks like half a pretzel.

"You do not want to get Ebola," warns the website. "A short incubation period of 2 to 21 days presages symptoms which include fever, aches, sore throat, and weakness, followed by diarrhea, stomach pain, vomiting, and both internal and external bleeding. And then, for between 50-90 percent of victims, death."

Giantmicrobes lists the World Health Organization as one of its largest customers, along with pharmaceutical companies and the American Red Cross.

Anyone disappointed by the current shortage of the Ebola toys can click on "Add to Wishlist" and wait for more stock to arrive. Or make a different selection from the company's array of other plush toys, including Anthrax, Botulism, Cholera and Dengue Fever.

It was not clear how many of the toys have been sold and the company could not be reached for comment.

Herp: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/herpes.html

ebola: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ebola.html

e-coli: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ecoli.html

HPV: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/hpv.html

 

[jamny]

Ebola plush toys fly off the shelf for Connecticut company

Reuters) - It may be the only time you will find these words in the same sentence: "Ebola" and "Add to Wishlist."

Giantmicrobes Inc., which makes a line of plush toys based on viruses and other microscopic organisms, has sold out its entire Ebola stock, including the small Ebola doll for $9.95, a Gigantic Ebola doll for $29.95 and an Ebola Petri Dish toy for $14.95, according to the company's website.

"Since its discovery in 1976, Ebola has become the T. Rex of microbes," says the Stamford, Connecticut-based maker of the "uniquely contagious toy" on its website, which promotes them as gag gifts that also have educational value.

With the latest Ebola outbreak, which already killed more than 4,500 people, mostly in West Africa, customers have snapped up the toy, which looks like half a pretzel.

"You do not want to get Ebola," warns the website. "A short incubation period of 2 to 21 days presages symptoms which include fever, aches, sore throat, and weakness, followed by diarrhea, stomach pain, vomiting, and both internal and external bleeding. And then, for between 50-90 percent of victims, death."

Giantmicrobes lists the World Health Organization as one of its largest customers, along with pharmaceutical companies and the American Red Cross.

Anyone disappointed by the current shortage of the Ebola toys can click on "Add to Wishlist" and wait for more stock to arrive. Or make a different selection from the company's array of other plush toys, including Anthrax, Botulism, Cholera and Dengue Fever.

It was not clear how many of the toys have been sold and the company could not be reached for comment.

Herp: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/herpes.html

ebola: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ebola.html

e-coli: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ecoli.html

HPV: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/hpv.html

Awwww...ecoli is so cute!

 

[Fennis]

Ebola plush toys fly off the shelf for Connecticut company

Reuters) - It may be the only time you will find these words in the same sentence: "Ebola" and "Add to Wishlist."

Giantmicrobes Inc., which makes a line of plush toys based on viruses and other microscopic organisms, has sold out its entire Ebola stock, including the small Ebola doll for $9.95, a Gigantic Ebola doll for $29.95 and an Ebola Petri Dish toy for $14.95, according to the company's website.

"Since its discovery in 1976, Ebola has become the T. Rex of microbes," says the Stamford, Connecticut-based maker of the "uniquely contagious toy" on its website, which promotes them as gag gifts that also have educational value.

With the latest Ebola outbreak, which already killed more than 4,500 people, mostly in West Africa, customers have snapped up the toy, which looks like half a pretzel.

"You do not want to get Ebola," warns the website. "A short incubation period of 2 to 21 days presages symptoms which include fever, aches, sore throat, and weakness, followed by diarrhea, stomach pain, vomiting, and both internal and external bleeding. And then, for between 50-90 percent of victims, death."

Giantmicrobes lists the World Health Organization as one of its largest customers, along with pharmaceutical companies and the American Red Cross.

Anyone disappointed by the current shortage of the Ebola toys can click on "Add to Wishlist" and wait for more stock to arrive. Or make a different selection from the company's array of other plush toys, including Anthrax, Botulism, Cholera and Dengue Fever.

It was not clear how many of the toys have been sold and the company could not be reached for comment.

Herp: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/herpes.html

ebola: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ebola.html

e-coli: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ecoli.html

HPV: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/hpv.html

Awwww...ecoli is so cute!

cancer is pretty gross: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/cancer.html

but Our Cancer cell can be cured by turning it inside-out!.

Nice idea.

 

[jamny]

Ebola plush toys fly off the shelf for Connecticut company

Reuters) - It may be the only time you will find these words in the same sentence: "Ebola" and "Add to Wishlist."

Giantmicrobes Inc., which makes a line of plush toys based on viruses and other microscopic organisms, has sold out its entire Ebola stock, including the small Ebola doll for $9.95, a Gigantic Ebola doll for $29.95 and an Ebola Petri Dish toy for $14.95, according to the company's website.

"Since its discovery in 1976, Ebola has become the T. Rex of microbes," says the Stamford, Connecticut-based maker of the "uniquely contagious toy" on its website, which promotes them as gag gifts that also have educational value.

With the latest Ebola outbreak, which already killed more than 4,500 people, mostly in West Africa, customers have snapped up the toy, which looks like half a pretzel.

"You do not want to get Ebola," warns the website. "A short incubation period of 2 to 21 days presages symptoms which include fever, aches, sore throat, and weakness, followed by diarrhea, stomach pain, vomiting, and both internal and external bleeding. And then, for between 50-90 percent of victims, death."

Giantmicrobes lists the World Health Organization as one of its largest customers, along with pharmaceutical companies and the American Red Cross.

Anyone disappointed by the current shortage of the Ebola toys can click on "Add to Wishlist" and wait for more stock to arrive. Or make a different selection from the company's array of other plush toys, including Anthrax, Botulism, Cholera and Dengue Fever.

It was not clear how many of the toys have been sold and the company could not be reached for comment.

Herp: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/herpes.html

ebola: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ebola.html

e-coli: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ecoli.html

HPV: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/hpv.html

Awwww...ecoli is so cute!

cancer is pretty gross: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/cancer.html

but Our Cancer cell can be cured by turning it inside-out!.

Nice idea.

Gold!

Damn I wish I had thought of it.

 

[Swing 51]

Saw on the news ticker Feds are reconsidering quarantine policy for medical workers coming from West Africa.

By Associated Press October 24 at 5:15 PM

NEW YORK — The governors of New Jersey and New York say they’re issuing a mandatory quarantine for travelers who have had contact with Ebola-infected patients in West Africa.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said a health care worker who had contact with Ebola patients in Africa already has been quarantined even though she has no symptoms. They say the woman landed at Newark Liberty Airport in New Jersey on Friday.

Any person traveling from the three West African nations who had contact with infected, or possibly infected, people will be automatically quarantined for 21 days. This includes doctors.

It will be coordinated with local health departments.

 

[Gr00vus]

Remind me to cancel my dinner with Doug

Hey Fennis, cancel your dinner with Doug.

 

[Doug B]

Remind me to cancel my dinner with Doug

Hey Fennis, cancel your dinner with Doug.

Fine ... more Petri pate and viral-load vichyssoise for me.

 

[Apple Jack]

I would volunteer for quarantine upon returning from treating Ebola patients, but requiring it could wind up unconstitutional, no?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think everybody should volunteer for quarantine upon returning from treating Ebola patients, but requiring it could wind up unconstitutional, no?

Why would it be? Quarantining people who have or may have come into contact with infectious diseases is nothing new. I'm a libertarian, but I don't think there's a constitutional right to wander around in a major city when there's a reasonable chance that I may be carrying a contagious and highly-lethal illness.

 

[Gr00vus]

Remind me to cancel my dinner with Doug

Hey Fennis, cancel your dinner with Doug.

Fine ... more Petri pate and viral-load vichyssoise for me.

You said sandwich - nice bait and switch.

 

[Fennis]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

because we feel it is bad public policy to discourage humanitarian assistance, cause a loss of personal convenience, and create lost income to protect against something that has not caused a single transmission in the US.

If the existing protocols that are in place cause doctors to start infecting swaths of healthy people I am sure the rest of us are willing to reevaluate.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

because we feel it is bad public policy to discourage humanitarian assistance, cause a loss of personal convenience, and create lost income to protect against something that has not caused a single transmission in the US.

If the existing protocols that are in place cause doctors to start infecting swaths of healthy people I am sure the rest of us are willing to reevaluate.

Does it bother you that experts who are well-placed to evaluate the "benefit" part disagree with your cost-benefit assessment?

 

[Fennis]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

because we feel it is bad public policy to discourage humanitarian assistance, cause a loss of personal convenience, and create lost income to protect against something that has not caused a single transmission in the US.

If the existing protocols that are in place cause doctors to start infecting swaths of healthy people I am sure the rest of us are willing to reevaluate.

Does it bother you that experts who are well-placed to evaluate the "benefit" part disagree with your cost-benefit assessment?

Its my belief that the majority of well placed experts agree with my position.

 

[Fennis]

I also have little doubt that public pressure will cause quarantines to continue and increase. Next up will be travel bans.

 

[3C's]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here.

Who did this? I'll cut 'em!

 

[ghostguy123]

Personally, I don't think that's what Sheik is saying.

I think it's more "They should quarantine for 21 hours, if they display symptoms get properly medivac'd out to a US hospital prepared for it and treated.

Yes. You are correct. Minus the mistake of putting hours instead of days. And I've stated this a couple of times in this thread. Amazingly, if we would have done it the way I've suggested, we wouldn't have had an infected doctor walking around NYC, riding subways and going bowling. I'm not saying they shouldn't come back. Just seems irresponsible to have someone handling Ebola patients just be allowed to come back to the US and mingle within the population until they do or do not develop the disease themselves.

Ah - the old guilty until proven innocent, eh?

What a strange comment.

You are asking someone to give up 21 days of their life, without any indication that they are a risk to others. You are essentially saying we are going to assume you have ebola until you prove otherwise.

You mean besides having treated people with an infectious disease?

I'm not saying a quarantine is necessarily worth it -- I'm not qualified to even have an opinion on that. But this isn't a "personal liberty" issue.

Right. Kinda like if people are suspects for certain crimes they are not allowed to leave the state. They have not been found guilty. Same as tons of other people who have restrictions put on them before going to court.

Very strange comment indeed.

 

[ghostguy123]

Put it out on the table, everyone:

Do you or do you not believe the official line re: ebola: "No symptoms, no spread "?

No. There will inevitably be a time period in many or most that are infected where the virus is active and communicable right around the time they begin to show symptoms with the ability to spread the disease before the first obvious symptom.

The chances are much less at this time due to less fluids however.

 

[Gawain]

Fox 5 just reported a person n New Jersey hospitalized with ebola-like symptoms.

 

[fatness]

Nice

Nina Pham was the first person to catch Ebola on U.S. soil, and now, 13 days after testing positive, she has been declared free of the deadly disease.

Her first order of business will be to hug her dog, Bentley, she said Friday.

 

[fatness]

Fox 5 just reported a person n New Jersey hospitalized with ebola-like symptoms.

Apparently on the same day she got back to the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/new-york-ebola-case/

The second health care worker, a woman who hasn't been identified by name, did not have any Ebola symptoms upon arrival Friday at Newark Liberty International Airport, New Jersey health department spokesman Donna Leusner said.

Yet things changed in the hours that followed. According to Leusner, "This evening, the health care worker developed a fever and is now in isolation and being evaluated at University Hospital in Newark."

 

[fatness]

Also nice.

A second nurse, Amber Vinson, is reportedly also disease-free, but has yet to be released from Emory University hospital in Atlanta. Vinson was the nurse who flew to Ohio just before developing symptoms of the disease, triggering deep concern in the state about a possible spread of the virus. She flew back to Dallas from Ohio with a low-grade fever.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Just saw a crawl. He tested positive for Ebola

damn it. I thought I was going to be done.

Ebola patients treated in US: 9

Patients Infected in Africa: 7

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 6

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 11%

Cured: Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan); Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Dr. Craig Spencer (the bowling, uber riding, hipster, doctors without border doctor)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Yes, we all knewthat was what you thought when you started to tally the body count.

 

[bagger]

I was just depressed that this doctors self quarantine was more active than my normal life.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I was just depressed that this doctors self quarantine was more active than my normal life.

Bowling? I bowl only couple of times a year. It is overrated by people who can bowl strikes.

 

[3C's]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

because we feel it is bad public policy to discourage humanitarian assistance, cause a loss of personal convenience, and create lost income to protect against something that has not caused a single transmission in the US.

If the existing protocols that are in place cause doctors to start infecting swaths of healthy people I am sure the rest of us are willing to reevaluate.

Not only that, discouraging assistance means the outbreak becomes worse in Africa. It continues to spread and reaches other areas. Eventually it's going to get out of hand.

 

[jon_mx]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

because we feel it is bad public policy to discourage humanitarian assistance, cause a loss of personal convenience, and create lost income to protect against something that has not caused a single transmission in the US.

If the existing protocols that are in place cause doctors to start infecting swaths of healthy people I am sure the rest of us are willing to reevaluate.

Not only that, discouraging assistance means the outbreak becomes worse in Africa. It continues to spread and reaches other areas. Eventually it's going to get out of hand.

It is already out of hand in West Africa. That is a list of countries which have already imposed travel restrictions:

Africa

• Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
• Cape Verde on 9 October announced that it would now deny entry to non-resident foreigners coming from countries with ‘intense Ebola transmission' – Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia - or who have been to those countries in the previous 30 days.
• Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.
• Côte d'Ivoire in early October reopened its borders with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, having closed the borders of 23 August.
• Equatorial Guinea is denying entry to travellers whose journeys originated in countries affected by Ebola.
• Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.
• Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.
• Kenya on 10 October announced that it had closed the Suam border crossing (Trans-Nzoia county) with Uganda due to reports of an Ebola-related death in Bukwo district (Uganda). Earlier, the Kenyan authorities on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.
• Mauritius on 8 October banned entry to all travellers who have visited Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo (DRC) in the last two months, rather than just citizens of those countries, as was the case previously. The authorities have announced that entry restrictions for travellers from Senegal and Nigeria will be lifted on 10 October and 17 October respectively, if no further cases of Ebola infection are reported.
• Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.
• Rwanda, according to the US Department of State on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.
• Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
• Seychelles on 8 October suspended entry to travellers who have visited Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Nigeria or Congo (DRC) 28 days prior to their journey, with the exception of Seychellois citizens.
• Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry.Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.
• South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'.
• South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.

Americas

• Antigua and Barbuda on 17 October imposed an entry ban on nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The ban will also apply on anyone who travels to the country within 21 days of visiting any of the aforementioned nations.
• Belize announced on 18 October that it will stop issuing visas for nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Nigeria. Sierra Leone nationals, who do not need visas to enter Belize, will also be banned. In addition, travellers who have visited any of the aforementioned countries in the past 30 days will be prohibited from entering the country.
• Colombia imposed an entry ban from 14 October on any traveller who has visited Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal or Sierra Leone in the past four weeks. The restriction would also reportedly apply to Colombian nationals.
• The Dominican Republic has banned entry to travellers who have been in the following countries in the past 30 days: Sierra Leone, Senegal, Liberia, Guinea, and Nigeria, as well as any countries that the World Health Organization has deemed to be affected by the Ebola virus.
• Guyana announced on 16 October that visas will not be issued to nationals from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria. Furthermore, health officials will screen travellers who have visited these countries in the six weeks prior to their arrival in Guyana.
• Haiti has banned (PDF) entry to travellers who have been to Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the past 28 days. Travellers who have been to these countries more than 28 days before travel to Haiti must present a government-certified health certificate and the results of a blood test for the Ebola virus upon arrival. It is uncertain at this time how these measures will be carried out or enforced. International SOS is monitoring the situation.
• Jamaica imposed an entry ban from 16 October for travellers arriving from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as those who have visited these countries within the four weeks prior to their arrival. In addition, any Jamaican national who travels to the aforementioned countries will be quarantined for 28 days on return.
• Panama on 22 October banned the entry of travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone in the past 21 days. The ban will remain in place until the three countries are declared Ebola-free.
• St Kitts and Nevis have restricted the entry of nationals from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. Similar measures will also be applied to travellers who have visited these countries in the 21 days prior to arrival.
• St Lucia has banned visitors from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government has also announced that, in addition to a visa, visitors from Nigeria will be required to present a recent medical certificate clearing them of the virus. No further details are available at this stage, though we are investigating further.
• St Vincent and the Grenadines has banned visitors from Guinea, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
• Suriname has banned entry to foreign travellers who have been to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone in the past 21 days, unless they can present an ‘internationally recognised health certificate’ clearing them of the virus. No further details are available at this time.
• Trinidad and Tobago announced on 16 October that it would deny entry to nationals of Congo (DRC), Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone. In addition, travellers who have visited any of the aforementioned countries in the past six weeks will be quarantined for 21 days upon arrival.
• The United States announced that beginning 22 October, any passengers beginning their travels in Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea will only be able to enter the country through the following airports: JFK International Airport (JFK, New York state), Newark International Airport (EWR, New Jersey), Dulles International Airport (IAD, Washington, DC), Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport (ATL, Georgia) or Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD, Illinois).

Others

• North Korea has banned foreign tourists since 24 October over fears of ebola; the ban applies to all entry points and border crossings.

Flights and other transport

Countries that have implemented Ebola-related travel restrictions:

• Gambia has banned the entry of flights from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
• Gabon has banned the entry of flights and ships from countries affected by Ebola.
• Senegal has banned flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
• Cameroon has banned flights to and from Nigeria.Chad has suspended all flights from Nigeria.
• Nigeria has suspended flights to the country operated by Gambian national carrier Gambia Bird.
• Côte d'Ivoire has now lifted the ban on passenger flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Details of airlines that have restricted flights to Ebola-affected countries:

• Air France suspended flights to Sierra Leone from 28 August.
• The Togo-based carrier Asky Airlines has suspended flights to and from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
• Arik Air (Nigeria), Gambia Bird and Kenya Airways have suspended services to Liberia and Sierra Leone.
• British Airways has extended their suspension of flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until 31 December.
• Emirates Airlines has suspended flights to Guinea.
• Korean Air suspended flights to and from Kenya from 20 August.
• Senegal Airlines has suspended flights to and from Conakry (Guinea) until further notice.

Other airlines have modified their routes but are still operating regular scheduled services. These include:

• Royal Air Maroc
• Brussels Airlines.

Medical screening

Entry and exit health screening is now in place in numerous countries throughout West Africa and is being introduced in Europe and North America countries as well; related measures can include the partial closure of land borders, ports and river crossings in an effort to restrict cross-border travel. Members should allow additional time to pass through medical screening and not travel if they are sick. Staff should continue to monitor local media and this website for developments.

Travel Advice Summary

• Defer non-essential travel to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
• Travellers flying from countries affected by Ebola should enquire with the relevant embassies or health ministries about any requirements conditioning entry at their destination, and prepare accordingly.
• Reconfirm bookings on all regional routes as increased demand is likely. We do not hold information on specific flights.
• If your flight is disrupted because of suspected Ebola cases, contact the Assistance Centre for additional advice and support with onward travel.
• Allow additional time during arrival and departure to pass through enhanced medical screening.
• Do not travel if you are sick. Persons with fever or other Ebola-like symptoms may be taken to designated centres or have entry/exit denied.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I, for one, don't understand why we are not following North Korea here. The dear leader is infallible when it comes to this kind of stuff.

 

[3C's]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

because we feel it is bad public policy to discourage humanitarian assistance, cause a loss of personal convenience, and create lost income to protect against something that has not caused a single transmission in the US.

If the existing protocols that are in place cause doctors to start infecting swaths of healthy people I am sure the rest of us are willing to reevaluate.

Not only that, discouraging assistance means the outbreak becomes worse in Africa. It continues to spread and reaches other areas. Eventually it's going to get out of hand.

It is already out of hand in West Africa. That is a list of countries which have already imposed travel restrictions:

Not sure what the point is of posting what other countries are doing regarding bans. I suppose I could post an even longer list of countries who have no such bans. Monitoring those coming back from the affected regions is a smart strategy, one which doctors without borders already does for their people. Quarantine is not the answer.

 

[shadyridr]

The nurse in NJ tested negative and is under mandatory quarantine for 21 days

 

[Fennis]

Fox 5 just reported a person n New Jersey hospitalized with ebola-like symptoms.

The nurse in NJ tested negative and is under mandatory quarantine for 21 days

The unidentified health care worker who had treated Ebola patients in West Africa arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday.

When she arrived, she did not have a high temperature or Ebola symptoms, New Jersey health department spokesman Donna Leusner said.

Leusner said she later developed a fever and was put in isolation at University Hospital in Newark.


But a friend of the health care worker said he had spoken with her, and denied that she had a fever.
She was tested with a forehead scanner, which showed high temperatures at the airport because she was flushed, Dr. Seema Yasmin told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Friday.

A later check with a more accurate oral thermometer showed the normal reading of 98 degrees, Yasmin said

 

[Fennis]

I, for one, don't understand why we are not following North Korea here. The dear leader is infallible when it comes to this kind of stuff.

The list jon posted is made up third world countries plus the US. Yay Murica!