Ebola (1 Viewer)

[3C's]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

Compassionate conservative.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Wait. Are you Democrats saying that you think Christie handled this bad? Guess there's no chance you'll vote for him now? Interesting.

 

[glock]

Ditka Butkus and Jon Mx still trying to defend their earlier comments, along with those of so many irresponsible conservative politicians.

Guys, the debate is over. Your position no longer has any credibility, not that it ever did. We don't need travel bans and we don't need to quarantine people without symptoms. This disease doesn't spread quickly or easily and if you're one of the very few people who catch it, so long as you live in a country with halfway decent medical care and sanitation, you're likely to recover. Time to stop the panic.

EBOLA OUTBREAK!!

WHY DOES THE NURSE IN JOISEY HATE 'MERICA!!??

In all seriousness- what about people who are just about to show symptoms? Or reeeally tough people who don't recognize their symptoms until after a while?

 

[CBusAlex]

Guess there's no chance you'll vote for him now? Interesting.

Clearly the most pressing issue here.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Guess there's no chance you'll vote for him now? Interesting.

Clearly the most pressing issue here.

The last page or two seems to think that.

 

[Doug B]

Not to sound all conspiracy theory, but I think the CDC has been coaxed to turn down the fear factor....

By what means? I do not believe they are outright lying to the American public.

Besides, there are copious sources for Ebola information outside of the CDC and other governmental agencies. Much has been linked in this thread.

 

[3C's]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

This has been remedied. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/christie-sworn-doctor

 

[Doug B]

The virus can live in bodily fluids for a long time. If there is blood or siliva that you come in contact with, even after the infect person has not been there for hours, it is still dangerous. Not that it is likely, but it is something that needs to be aware about.

An hours-old blood stain or spittle droplet is no longer going to be a "body fluid" -- the water content will have evaporated and left its solid matter behind. An unprotected Ebola virus in this environment gets oxidized rapidly.

I am not going to drink out of a glass from an infected person.

Me neither.

 

[timschochet]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

So it would be better if he didn't let her out?

he let her out because he looked like an idiot and finally realized it. The most comical aspect is that upon letting her out, he stated that he checked with CDC and there was no objection to her being released, which of course implies that Christie consulted with the CDC the whole time. But he never met with CDC; they were against this to begin with.

 

[timschochet]

Wait. Are you Democrats saying that you think Christie handled this bad? Guess there's no chance you'll vote for him now? Interesting.

actually I am a Christie fan, and if he is the nominee I could easily see myself voting for him so long as he stays the moderate Republican he is now. But he has looked dumb on this one issue.

 

[humpback]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

So it would be better if he didn't let her out?

he let her out because he looked like an idiot and finally realized it. The most comical aspect is that upon letting her out, he stated that he checked with CDC and there was no objection to her being released, which of course implies that Christie consulted with the CDC the whole time. But he never met with CDC; they were against this to begin with.

I deleted the post because I didn't want to get involved in another stupid politi-hack conversation, but so what? Does it make it more awful that he's now letting her out? So dumb.

 

[humpback]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

This has been remedied. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/christie-sworn-doctor

So witty.

 

[Doug B]

As I, personally, have learned more in the last few days, I've come to believe that these people aren't "high risk" at all. Going to post a few links in a few for information purposes.

A little short on time, so here are some recent links to peruse about Ebola transmission. Both are blog posts, but both give links to the information offered:

Huffington Post - "How Ebola Spreads" (10/23/2014)

Vox - "Here's how you can (and can't) get Ebola" (10/24/2014)

 

[Bucky86]

That was a McCain-esque blunder for someone with presidential aspirations.

 

[3C's]

Pretty sad that this keeps being politicized. Apparently only (D)s think this was a bad move by Chrisite. Newsflash, Cuomo is a (D).

 

[Sinn Fein]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

So it would be better if he didn't let her out?

he let her out because he looked like an idiot and finally realized it. The most comical aspect is that upon letting her out, he stated that he checked with CDC and there was no objection to her being released, which of course implies that Christie consulted with the CDC the whole time. But he never met with CDC; they were against this to begin with.

I deleted the post because I didn't want to get involved in another stupid politi-hack conversation, but so what? Does it make it more awful that he's now letting her out? So dumb.

No - he was an idiot for imposing the policy to begin with. Letting her out after she called him on it, just accentuates the poor policy.

Its the right call to let her out, for that he deserves credit for not doubling down on the error, once it was publicly called to his attention. But he has looked foolish in implementing and then strongly defending the policy decision at the outset.

In terms of presidential ambitions - he should have stuck to his guns, and defended his position however untenable.

 

[Doug B]

In all seriousness- what about people who are just about to show symptoms? Or reeeally tough people who don't recognize their symptoms until after a while?

At this point, without a hard link or some kind of official proclamation ... I think even early-symptomatic Ebola carriers aren't going to spread the virus. One of the links I just posted mentioned that the person actually had to be feeling bad to be contagious -- not at the point where the body temperature raises half a degree, but quite a bit later on.

EDIT: something to think about -- the other six people in the apartment with Thomas Duncan didn't get Ebola even though he was home for ~60 hours after he was sent home from the ER with a high fever. The intimates of Pham and Vinson, AFAIK, are clear. Spencer's girlfriend, I'd bet, will come out of her quarantine clear. And so on.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Pretty sad that this keeps being politicized. Apparently only (D)s think this was a bad move by Chrisite. Newsflash, Cuomo is a (D).

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Yeah, Christie comes out looking bad in all of this, particularly since he has changed his mind and released her.

Cuomo just lucky this happened in NJ and not NY.

Nurse was absolutely correct when she said these decisions belong in the hands of medical professionals and not politicians.

It was a dumb move by both states, both parties.

 

[humpback]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

So it would be better if he didn't let her out?

he let her out because he looked like an idiot and finally realized it. The most comical aspect is that upon letting her out, he stated that he checked with CDC and there was no objection to her being released, which of course implies that Christie consulted with the CDC the whole time. But he never met with CDC; they were against this to begin with.

I deleted the post because I didn't want to get involved in another stupid politi-hack conversation, but so what? Does it make it more awful that he's now letting her out? So dumb.

No - he was an idiot for imposing the policy to begin with. Letting her out after she called him on it, just accentuates the poor policy.

Its the right call to let her out, for that he deserves credit for not doubling down on the error, once it was publicly called to his attention. But he has looked foolish in implementing and then strongly defending the policy decision at the outset.

In terms of presidential ambitions - he should have stuck to his guns, and defended his position however untenable.

Then why the "Now he's letting her out? What a joke."

Rhetorical question, which is why I deleted my original post.

 

[jon_mx]

That was a McCain-esque blunder for someone with presidential aspirations.

This will not be an issue to anyone except for hardcore haters. It will be long forgotten.

 

[3C's]

That was a McCain-esque blunder for someone with presidential aspirations.

This will not be an issue to anyone except for hardcore haters. It will be long forgotten.

Agreed. Other things will (bridge) but not this.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

So it would be better if he didn't let her out?

he let her out because he looked like an idiot and finally realized it. The most comical aspect is that upon letting her out, he stated that he checked with CDC and there was no objection to her being released, which of course implies that Christie consulted with the CDC the whole time. But he never met with CDC; they were against this to begin with.

I deleted the post because I didn't want to get involved in another stupid politi-hack conversation, but so what? Does it make it more awful that he's now letting her out? So dumb.

No - he was an idiot for imposing the policy to begin with. Letting her out after she called him on it, just accentuates the poor policy.

Its the right call to let her out, for that he deserves credit for not doubling down on the error, once it was publicly called to his attention. But he has looked foolish in implementing and then strongly defending the policy decision at the outset.

In terms of presidential ambitions - he should have stuck to his guns, and defended his position however untenable.

Then why the "Now he's letting her out? What a joke."

Rhetorical question, which is why I deleted my original post.

Have to ask Culdeus. My guess - it has to do with how Christie vigorously defended the policy when he was initially called out on it, but now reversing course. Makes it look like he was ill-informed when he implemented and initially defended the policy.

Which he was. Ebola, in west africa, is a very scary disease. Media hype, and fear mongers, built this up as a potential pandemic, which it is not. So, the general public was misinformed about both the mortality rate for a properly treated patient, and the rate, and means of transmission. This causes public panics like we saw with various business closings, and people moving away, etc, and also applies to politicians, who want to be seen as "tough" on something - even if they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[TheIronSheik]

That was a McCain-esque blunder for someone with presidential aspirations.

This will not be an issue to anyone except for hardcore haters. It will be long forgotten.

Agreed. Other things will (bridge) but not this.

What ever happened to the bridge? What did they find on him?

 

[3C's]

That was a McCain-esque blunder for someone with presidential aspirations.

This will not be an issue to anyone except for hardcore haters. It will be long forgotten.

Agreed. Other things will (bridge) but not this.

What ever happened to the bridge? What did they find on him?

I've lost track really but I saw one headline saying "he's not out from under bridgegate yet" but that was on HuffPost so could be wishful thinking on their part.

 

[TheIronSheik]

That was a McCain-esque blunder for someone with presidential aspirations.

This will not be an issue to anyone except for hardcore haters. It will be long forgotten.

Agreed. Other things will (bridge) but not this.

What ever happened to the bridge? What did they find on him?

I've lost track really but I saw one headline saying "he's not out from under bridgegate yet" but that was on HuffPost so could be wishful thinking on their part.

OK

 

[The Z Machine]

This is why technocrats are a good thing.

 

[matuski]

As I, personally, have learned more in the last few days, I've come to believe that these people aren't "high risk" at all. Going to post a few links in a few for information purposes.

A little short on time, so here are some recent links to peruse about Ebola transmission. Both are blog posts, but both give links to the information offered:

Huffington Post - "How Ebola Spreads" (10/23/2014)

Vox - "Here's how you can (and can't) get Ebola" (10/24/2014)

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[culdeus]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.

So it would be better if he didn't let her out?

he let her out because he looked like an idiot and finally realized it. The most comical aspect is that upon letting her out, he stated that he checked with CDC and there was no objection to her being released, which of course implies that Christie consulted with the CDC the whole time. But he never met with CDC; they were against this to begin with.

I deleted the post because I didn't want to get involved in another stupid politi-hack conversation, but so what? Does it make it more awful that he's now letting her out? So dumb.

No - he was an idiot for imposing the policy to begin with. Letting her out after she called him on it, just accentuates the poor policy.

Its the right call to let her out, for that he deserves credit for not doubling down on the error, once it was publicly called to his attention. But he has looked foolish in implementing and then strongly defending the policy decision at the outset.

In terms of presidential ambitions - he should have stuck to his guns, and defended his position however untenable.

Then why the "Now he's letting her out? What a joke."

Rhetorical question, which is why I deleted my original post.

Have to ask Culdeus. My guess - it has to do with how Christie vigorously defended the policy when he was initially called out on it, but now reversing course. Makes it look like he was ill-informed when he implemented and initially defended the policy.

Which he was. Ebola, in west africa, is a very scary disease. Media hype, and fear mongers, built this up as a potential pandemic, which it is not. So, the general public was misinformed about both the mortality rate for a properly treated patient, and the rate, and means of transmission. This causes public panics like we saw with various business closings, and people moving away, etc, and also applies to politicians, who want to be seen as "tough" on something - even if they have no idea what they are talking about.

Ask me what? If you are going to force someone into a quarantine then do it. Don't start it then pull the plug 5 days later because of public pressure. It either looks:

-Poorly informed on the risks and needs of a quarantine.

-Weak on bending to public pressure on a risk that you identified as not in the public good.

Now the whole thing looks like a stunt meant to satisfy the "STOP THE FLIGHTS" people which lean towards his base. It also puts him in the news cycle as doing something other than shutting down highways.

 

[3C's]

Public pressure brought the quarantine policy and public pressure got it lifted.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Christie looked worse than the CDC. That's pretty bad.

 

[humpback]

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Not to sound all conspiracy theory, but I think the CDC has been coaxed to turn down the fear factor....

By what means? I do not believe they are outright lying to the American public.

Besides, there are copious sources for Ebola information outside of the CDC and other governmental agencies. Much has been linked in this thread.

Martin, it's all psychological. You yell barracuda, everybody says, "Huh? What?" You yell shark, we've got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Public pressure brought the quarantine policy and public pressure got it lifted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2808178/Cuomo-Ebola-quarantine-hard-enforce.html

 

[Rohn Jambo]

After the Cuomo-Christie epic fail, only one thing can stop Ebola invasion of US airspace: another Iceland volcanic eruption.

http://icelandreview.com/news/2014/10/27/over-200-earthquakes-bardarbunga-over-weekend

 

[3C's]

Public pressure brought the quarantine policy and public pressure got it lifted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2808178/Cuomo-Ebola-quarantine-hard-enforce.html

They're tight, yo!

 

[Zigg]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

 

[jon_mx]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is and how effective it is is wwwwaaayyyyyy too small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

 

[timschochet]

Christie looked worse than the CDC. That's pretty bad.

The CDC has made a couple of mistakes which didn't end up hurting anyone. But overall they've been very good on this issue, and every issue they tackle. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

 

[timschochet]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is is wwwwaaayyyyyy to small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

You're clinging to some way to justify your earlier over-the-top comments. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I'm wrong often around here; I admit it, and change my mind. Why are you so reluctant to do this?

 

[3C's]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is is wwwwaaayyyyyy to small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

You're clinging to some way to justify your earlier over-the-top comments. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I'm wrong often around here; I admit it, and change my mind. Why are you so reluctant to do this?

never gonna happen

 

[jon_mx]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is is wwwwaaayyyyyy to small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

You're clinging to some way to justify your earlier over-the-top comments. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I'm wrong often around here; I admit it, and change my mind. Why are you so reluctant to do this?

What over the top comment? Our sample size is like 4? People are thinking this diseased is licked based on that? seriously?

 

[matuski]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is and how effective it is is wwwwaaayyyyyy too small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

Luckily for us we do blood transfusions every day, and we have the PPE available.

So protect yourself, treat the patient. Easy.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Christie looked worse than the CDC. That's pretty bad.

The CDC has made a couple of mistakes which didn't end up hurting anyone. But overall they've been very good on this issue, and every issue they tackle. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

I think he is referring to the "We've got the best healthcare system and protocols in the world and the risk to healthcare workers and others is nil".....oops two healthcare workers just got Ebola in Dallas on our first try...

 

[jon_mx]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is is wwwwaaayyyyyy to small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

You're clinging to some way to justify your earlier over-the-top comments. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I'm wrong often around here; I admit it, and change my mind. Why are you so reluctant to do this?

never gonna happen

I am not sure what I was wrong about. I know at least a half dozen people who have no idea what exponential growth is or how it applies on this thread were absolutely wrong, but they will never admit it.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Anyone know what the cost is to get treatment? I'm guessing it's not covered by insurance. Was just wondering if there have been any reports saying how much the treatment runs.

 

[jon_mx]

Anyone know what the cost is to get treatment? I'm guessing it's not covered by insurance. Was just wondering if there have been any reports saying how much the treatment runs.

More than $100K less than $500K.

 

[timschochet]

Anyone know what the cost is to get treatment? I'm guessing it's not covered by insurance. Was just wondering if there have been any reports saying how much the treatment runs.

So far the treatment has only been necessary for doctors and nurses who have heroically volunteered to go to West Africa and try and save lives. Therefore I'm guessing it has been paid for by our government, and rightly so.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Anyone know what the cost is to get treatment? I'm guessing it's not covered by insurance. Was just wondering if there have been any reports saying how much the treatment runs.

More than $100K less than $500K.

Duncan's 9-day cost were estimated at $500,000 and he had no insurance.

 

[3C's]

It appears that Ebola is a disease that is tough to get and easily treated, as long as it's caught early and with proper treatment. It will never be an issue in the western world.

I understood the fear in the beginning, now it's just silly.

I think the sample size to suggest just how easily treated this disease is is wwwwaaayyyyyy to small. I am not even sure I would characterize it as 'easily' since it may take blood transfusions and constant care of people in full body HAZMAT suits.

You're clinging to some way to justify your earlier over-the-top comments. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I'm wrong often around here; I admit it, and change my mind. Why are you so reluctant to do this?

never gonna happen

I am not sure what I was wrong about. I know at least a half dozen people who have no idea what exponential growth is or how it applies on this thread were absolutely wrong, but they will never admit it.

I'm not certain either but I know you won't agree with tim thinking you're wrong. And my math minor would say you're wrong about whether I have an idea what exponential equations are.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Anyone know what the cost is to get treatment? I'm guessing it's not covered by insurance. Was just wondering if there have been any reports saying how much the treatment runs.

So far the treatment has only been necessary for doctors and nurses who have heroically volunteered to go to West Africa and try and save lives. Therefore I'm guessing it has been paid for by our government, and rightly so.

Yes, but it still gets paid. I'm just asking the price.