Ebola (2 Viewers)

[Fennis]

Anyone know what the cost is to get treatment? I'm guessing it's not covered by insurance. Was just wondering if there have been any reports saying how much the treatment runs.

So far the treatment has only been necessary for doctors and nurses who have heroically volunteered to go to West Africa and try and save lives. Therefore I'm guessing it has been paid for by our government, and rightly so.

Why would it be paid by our government? The government had nothing to do with them being there. They were with doctors without borders. I would think that group or individual insurance plans would cover it. Though insurance would probably view it as uncovered risk.

Only 44% 56% of US treated ebola patients were aid workers. 44% 56% were not.

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[B-Deep]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

 

[3C's]

The Supreme Court has upheld quarantines in the case of someone exposed to the small pox virus eventhough he did not have it.

If you're talking about Jacobson vs. Massachusetts (1905), Jacobson was not fighting quarantine -- he was fighting involuntary vaccination.

That said, this lawyer, writing for the Washington Post, agrees with you, but with some equivocation IMHO. He references Siegel v. Shinnick (1963), which does involve quarantine and might be the case you're thinking of, but it didn't go to the Supreme Court.

They form a portion of that immense mass of legislation which embraces everything within the territory of a State not surrendered to the General Government; all which can be most advantageously exercised by the States themselves. Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description, as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass.

No direct general power over these objects is granted to Congress, and, consequently, they remain subject to State legislation.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/22/1/case.html

 

[jon_mx]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

Did you call the ACLU?

 

[B-Deep]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

Did you call the ACLU?

they quarantined me too

 

[Ditka Butkus]

oh good, TIm has found this thread

I've been here for a while.

oh good. Fennis found Tim in this thread.

Anything to water down the Butkus ratio is an improvement in here

eta - effinsac

I know this is a shot....but I have to tell ya, I like the way it sounds....Butkus Ratio.......just rolls of the tongue.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

Did you call the ACLU?

they quarantined me too

Again, give me a t.v, computer, food and a continual supply of Stella Artois and I will turn myself in right now. I could use 21 days of rest.

 

[3C's]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

Did you call the ACLU?

they quarantined me too

Again, give me a t.v, computer, food and a continual supply of Stella Artois and I will turn myself in right now. I could use 21 days of rest.

I think if the nurse had had a TV she would have been okay with it.

Oh, and a shower and working toilet.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

Did you call the ACLU?

they quarantined me too

Again, give me a t.v, computer, food and a continual supply of Stella Artois and I will turn myself in right now. I could use 21 days of rest.

I think if the nurse had had a TV she would have been okay with it.

Oh, and a shower and working toilet.

I'm sure if she didn't crack and become a whining little ##### after 9 hours she would have had all of that and more.

 

[3C's]

Well I suppose she does have all that now since she's home. Or at least not in a tent in a parking lot.

 

[B-Deep]

the Redeker plan is being implemented....all of us east of the Rockies are just ebola fodder at this point

 

[Josie Maran]

21 days

i've been quarantined from this place longer than that

Did you call the ACLU?

they quarantined me too

Again, give me a t.v, computer, food and a continual supply of Stella Artois and I will turn myself in right now. I could use 21 days of rest.

I think if the nurse had had a TV she would have been okay with it.Oh, and a shower and working toilet.

I'm sure if she didn't crack and become a whining little ##### after 9 hours she would have had all of that and more.

God, you're an #######

 

[Apple Jack]

Gotta appreciate iTuff guy talking like this about somebody who goes halfway around the world to battle a disease in a very sketchy environment.

Hint: She's not whining, she's making the argument for all doctors and nurses to come who would prefer their very real efforts in the big bad world not be ####ed with by some ###### politician who might as well be in show business.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Gotta appreciate iTuff guy talking like this about somebody who goes halfway around the world to battle a disease in a very sketchy environment.

Hint: She's not whining, she's making the argument for all doctors and nurses to come who would prefer their very real efforts in the big bad world not be ####ed with by some ###### politician who might as well be in show business.

She makes TxBuckeye's nephew look like a push over.

 

[SacramentoBob]

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?[/SIZE]

 

[Fennis]

[SIZE=13.63px]From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?[/SIZE]

After being shown to have no temperature and testing negative for ebola she should have been released. Instead they decided to quarantine her for 21 days.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Readings from forehead scanners are less accurate than oral thermometers.

 

[SacramentoBob]

[SIZE=13.63px]From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?[/SIZE]

After being shown to have no temperature and testing negative for ebola she should have been released. Instead they decided to quarantine her for 21 days.

What exactly was the timeline here?

 

[jon_mx]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Hey, we are suppose to be upset. Her toilet did not flush! We need tents with working sewer hookups!

 

[Rohn Jambo]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Hey, we are suppose to be upset. Her toilet did not flush! We need tents with working sewer hookups!

After SARS was found to transmit through sewer systems, you can bet there will be no flushing for people in quarantines.

 

[3C's]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Readings from forehead scanners are less accurate than oral thermometers.

And she told them that but they refused to listen because it was a "gotcha" moment for them.

 

[Fennis]

[SIZE=13.63px]From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?[/SIZE]

After being shown to have no temperature and testing negative for ebola she should have been released. Instead they decided to quarantine her for 21 days.

What exactly was the timeline here?

I don't have a timeline, but not sure its needed.

1) NJ enacts rule that all returning aid workers from West Africa must be quarantined for 21 days if they work with Ebola victims.

2) Nurse subjected to new rules.

3) Nurse tests at airport with high temp. using forehead scanner

4) Moved to isolation at airport

4) Sent to hospital

5) test negative and no fever - sent to quarantine for 20 more days.

6) She complains. Threatens to sue

7) NJ lets her go.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Readings from forehead scanners are less accurate than oral thermometers.

And she told them that but they refused to listen because it was a "gotcha" moment for them.

It might not have happened to a calmer person but her cheeks were flushed both times they scanned her forehead.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Gotta appreciate iTuff guy talking like this about somebody who goes halfway around the world to battle a disease in a very sketchy environment.

Hint: She's not whining, she's making the argument for all doctors and nurses to come who would prefer their very real efforts in the big bad world not be ####ed with by some ###### politician who might as well be in show business.

 

[3C's]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Readings from forehead scanners are less accurate than oral thermometers.

And she told them that but they refused to listen because it was a "gotcha" moment for them.

It might not have happened to a calmer person but her cheeks were flushed both times they scanned her forehead.

After being confined/isolated in an airport office for 3 hours (I believe that's when they first took temp) I would have been steaming.

 

[jon_mx]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

After being shown to have no temperature and testing negative for ebola she should have been released. Instead they decided to quarantine her for 21 days.

What exactly was the timeline here?

I don't have a timeline, but not sure its needed.

1) NJ enacts rule that all returning aid workers from West Africa must be quarantined for 21 days if they work with Ebola victims.

2) Nurse subjected to new rules.

3) Nurse tests at airport with high temp. using forehead scanner

4) Moved to isolation at airport

4) Sent to hospital

5) test negative and no fever - sent to quarantine for 20 more days.

6) She complains. Threatens to sue

7) NJ lets her go.

1 and 2 are not accurate.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Readings from forehead scanners are less accurate than oral thermometers.

And she told them that but they refused to listen because it was a "gotcha" moment for them.

It might not have happened to a calmer person but her cheeks were flushed both times they scanned her forehead.

After being confined/isolated in an airport office for 3 hours (I believe that's when they first took temp) I would have been steaming.

Yes. It is surprising that Chris Christie, being a lawyers no less, forgets many politicians were brought down by angry women.

 

[jon_mx]

As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.

 

[3C's]

 

[Fennis]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

After being shown to have no temperature and testing negative for ebola she should have been released. Instead they decided to quarantine her for 21 days.

What exactly was the timeline here?

I don't have a timeline, but not sure its needed.

1) NJ enacts rule that all returning aid workers from West Africa must be quarantined for 21 days if they work with Ebola victims.

2) Nurse subjected to new rules.

3) Nurse tests at airport with high temp. using forehead scanner

4) Moved to isolation at airport

4) Sent to hospital

5) test negative and no fever - sent to quarantine for 20 more days.

6) She complains. Threatens to sue

7) NJ lets her go.

1 and 2 are not accurate.

What's incorrect with #1 and #2?

 

[3C's]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

After being shown to have no temperature and testing negative for ebola she should have been released. Instead they decided to quarantine her for 21 days.

What exactly was the timeline here?

I don't have a timeline, but not sure its needed.

1) NJ enacts rule that all returning aid workers from West Africa must be quarantined for 21 days if they work with Ebola victims.

2) Nurse subjected to new rules.

3) Nurse tests at airport with high temp. using forehead scanner

4) Moved to isolation at airport

4) Sent to hospital

5) test negative and no fever - sent to quarantine for 20 more days.

6) She complains. Threatens to sue

7) NJ lets her go.

1 and 2 are not accurate.

What's incorrect with #1 and #2?

DON'T DO IT!!

 

[timschochet]

As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.

based on what?

 

[jon_mx]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

 

[Fennis]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

 

[jon_mx]

As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.

based on what?

The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

From what I can tell from CNN, no one is disputing the temperature reading taken at the time.. She states it was a misreading or some such. So they took her temperature, found it was high and quarantined her. What did NJ do wrong here based on the information they had at the time?

Hey, we are suppose to be upset. Her toilet did not flush! We need tents with working sewer hookups!

It doesn't seem like it's asking too much to provide people with some kind of modern quality of life.

 

[timschochet]

Wait- this stupid quarantine rule only applies to residents of New Jersey, but if you're just a visitor staying for a few weeks, it's cool? That makes no sense.

 

[timschochet]

As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.

based on what?

The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.

are you for real?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Wait- this stupid quarantine rule only applies to residents of New Jersey, but if you're just a visitor staying for a few weeks, it's cool? That makes no sense.

Yeah, that part is crazy. Either the quarantine is warranted in which case it applies to everybody, or it's not and it doesn't.

 

[jon_mx]

Wait- this stupid quarantine rule only applies to residents of New Jersey, but if you're just a visitor staying for a few weeks, it's cool? That makes no sense.

It is up to the state she resides in. When rules are made, not ever circumstance is always covered.

 

[jon_mx]

As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.

based on what?

The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.

are you for real?

She was provided a toilet and decent facilities.

 

[Fennis]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

 

[Fennis]

Christie and Cuomo changed the rules after the nurse was quarantined and after having pressure applied by the Obama Administration

 

[jon_mx]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

 

[Sinn Fein]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.

 

[jon_mx]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality

If a nurse taking the temperature of a Ebola volunteer worker, finds that it is high, they are going to poop their pants a little. That's the reality.

 

[3C's]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.

It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."

 

[Sinn Fein]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality

If a nurse taking the temperature of a Ebola volunteer worker, finds that it is high, they are going to poop their pants a little. That's the reality.

Well, for god's sake, don't eat the Ebola poop.

 

[Fennis]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

The initial test was a forehead scan which indicates further testing is necessary.

She went for further testing. That testing consisted of two tests:

1) A more accurate check of her temperature. She tested with no fever.

2) A blood test which tests for ebola. This came back negative for ebola.

The only reason to put her quarantine at that point is if you have a rule that says anyone who worked with ebola patients in West Africa should be quarantined for 21 days regardless of any other criteria. Her initial forehead scan does not matter.

 

[jon_mx]

#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.

for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?

bump

I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.

It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.