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Army Major General Darryl A. Williams, commander of U.S. Army Africa, and approximately 10 other personnel are now in "controlled monitoring" in Italy after returning there from West Africa over the weekend, according to multiple U.S. military officials.

The American personnel are effectively under quarantine, but Pentagon officials declined to use that terminology.

Williams' plane was met on the ground by Italian authorities "in full CDC gear," the official said, referring to the type of protective equipment worn by U.S. health care workers.

There is no indication at this time any of the team have symptoms of Ebola.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/politics/soldiers-monitored-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 
#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.
for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?
bump
I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.
:lmao:

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.
It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."
There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?

 
#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.
for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?
bump
I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.
:lmao:

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.
It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."
There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Only if they are a whackjob on the topic like you.

Any informed professional would take it in stride... their job involves infectious diseases and ebola is only one.

 
#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.
for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?
bump
I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.
The initial test was a forehead scan which indicates further testing is necessary.

She went for further testing. That testing consisted of two tests:

1) A more accurate check of her temperature. She tested with no fever.

2) A blood test which tests for ebola. This came back negative for ebola.

The only reason to put her quarantine at that point is if you have a rule that says anyone who worked with ebola patients in West Africa should be quarantined for 21 days regardless of any other criteria. Her initial forehead scan does not matter.
That is easy to say in hindsight, but in real time when it is your ### being exposed things are a bit different. I love how all left-leaners are so understanding and apologetic of the CDC not being prepared, but throw a hissy-fit when it is a Republican run state. Both CDC and NJ deserve some criticism for their actions, but also deserve some understanding since this is a new thing and people are learning as they go. Unfortunately a misstep can lead to potentially deadly results as the two nurses almost found out.

 
#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.
for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?
bump
I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.
:lmao:

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.
It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."
There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Only if they are a whackjob on the topic like you.

Any informed professional would take it in stride... their job involves infectious diseases and ebola is only one.
If you are in a protective HAZMAT gear, yes. If you are exposed to the person, even the most trained person would be concerned. The partisans on the left are the biggest drama queen whackjobs on this thread.

 
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#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.
for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?
bump
I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.
:lmao:

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.
It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."
There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Only if they are a whackjob on the topic like you.

Any informed professional would take it in stride... their job involves infectious diseases and ebola is only one.
If you are in a protective HAZMAT gear, yes. If you are exposed to the person, even the most trained person would be concerned. The partisans on the left are the biggest drama queen whackjobs on this thread.
No, as an informed professional you would know a fever never spread the disease.

You seem determined to repeatedly display an utter lack of understanding regarding anything to do with this.

Please for the love of pete go read up on the subject.

 
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#1 is incorrect be cause it does not apply to all people, just those who are residents of NJ.

#2 is wrong because she is from Maine and not subject to the quarantine rule. She was held because she showed a temperature and that raise serious flags.
for #2: why was she returned to quarantine after testing negative for ebola and shown to have no fever?
bump
I am sure the initial testing rightfully raised a lot of concerns. It was a reasonable response.
:lmao:

I can't imagine going through life so blissfully unaware of reality.
It's true, it was a reasonable response as long as it wasn't him being "inconvenienced."
There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Only if they are a whackjob on the topic like you.

Any informed professional would take it in stride... their job involves infectious diseases and ebola is only one.
If you are in a protective HAZMAT gear, yes. If you are exposed to the person, even the most trained person would be concerned. The partisans on the left are the biggest drama queen whackjobs on this thread.
No, as an informed professional you would know a fever never spread the disease.

You seem determined to repeatedly display an utter lack of understanding regarding anything to do with this.

Please for the love of pete go read up on the subject.
I understand how it is spread and which body fluids carry the virus.

 
Interesting take on constitutionality of quarantines. If this is true, NJ/Christie may have had no jurisdiction over holding her at the airport.

The U.S. Constitution gives states authority over how to approach health matters, though the federal government has control over what happens concerning public health in airports and shipping ports, Gravely said.

 
I understand how it is spread and which body fluids carry the virus.
Yet you seem to think a fever is cause for panic... which of course demonstrates your lack of understanding. :yes:
I think the vast majority of medical workers would become very concerned if they saw a potential Ebola patient with a temperature. I am not sure what you issue is besides being the usual partisan hack you are.

 
I understand how it is spread and which body fluids carry the virus.
Yet you seem to think a fever is cause for panic... which of course demonstrates your lack of understanding. :yes:
Esp considering she didn't have a fever.
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.

 
As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.
based on what?
The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.
Total drama queen. Who else would be pissed while being held against their will for absolutely no reason?

 
As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.
based on what?
The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.
Total drama queen. Who else would be pissed while being held against their will for absolutely no reason?
Not the itough guys on the right, that's for sure. Those of us in the middle aren't sure though.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.

 
I understand how it is spread and which body fluids carry the virus.
Yet you seem to think a fever is cause for panic... which of course demonstrates your lack of understanding. :yes:
Esp considering she didn't have a fever.
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
No hindsight needed...

News flash jon jon - we see infectious diseases all the time in the OR.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.

 
As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.
based on what?
The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.
Total drama queen. Who else would be pissed while being held against their will for absolutely no reason?
Registering a temperature is a reason. A valid reason. The process spun out of control, but it is understandable. This is new to everyone and people are confused.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
I thought she only got detained in NJ because she lives in another state (Maine). People get compensated when they're in quarantine.
 
As the facts start to clear up, the nurse was a drama queen not presenting all the facts and exaggerating others.
based on what?
The NJ rules are being misconstrued. She is a nurse and should understand the concern when she showed a fever. Her crying about not having a flushing toilet in a tent is just pure drama queen monsense.
Total drama queen. Who else would be pissed while being held against their will for absolutely no reason?
Registering a temperature is a reason. A valid reason. The process spun out of control, but it is understandable. This is new to everyone and people are confused.
There was one Ebola expert in the room but they failed to listen to her.

 
So...

Governor Christies fantastic, much better than CDC response was, how shall we put it, unprofessional? Alarmist? Panicking on the basis of incorrect procedures?

:whistle:

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
Maybe they shouldn't have been so hasty then to put this "practice" into place.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
I thought she only got detained in NJ because she lives in another state (Maine). People get compensated when they're in quarantine.
It is up to the states if they provide compensation. NJ does if their employer does not.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
 
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It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
Maybe they shouldn't have been so hasty then to put this "practice" into place.
Maybe they felt they had to be hasty to protect their people. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what metric is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
 
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It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what reality is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
The far right reality.

ETA: changed it back to your original post to make sense.

 
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It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what metric is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
'Murica

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what metric is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Technological advancement. Ability to see a doctor in a timely manner. The amount of drugs we pump into people. And Spending.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

There are two sides to this. I understand her being upset after a long trip. But as a nurse seeing a high temperature from a worker from West Africa, it is going to set off a panic.
Which nurse was this? The one at the airport?
Still wondering.
Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what metric is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Technological advancement. Ability to see a doctor in a timely manner. The amount of drugs we pump into people. And Spending.
What technological advancement do you think we have in healthcare that they don't have in the UK? France? Germany? The Netherlands? Canada? Switzerland?

The U.S. isn't even first in timeliness of care among countries ranked in The Commonwealth Fund. Fifth. Out of 11.

Drugs and spending I concede.

 
It is easy to second-guess people, but if your ### was there it would be another story. Hindsight and distance makes it really easy to be so smart.
I guess I'm not as much of a ##### as some people. :shrug:

Someone took her temperature with a scanner. I assume it was a nurse. Maybe not.
It was not. And they used a forehead scanner. She told them it was inaccurate. This was proven to be the case at the hospital.
Again. This is a new process for everyone. It will take time to get it done right. New Jersey or any other state is not prepared to how to handle the situation and are learning. If the scanner is a bad way to do it, they need to improve how they do it.
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what metric is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Technological advancement. Ability to see a doctor in a timely manner. The amount of drugs we pump into people. And Spending.
What technological advancement do you think we have in healthcare that they don't have in the UK? France? Germany? The Netherlands? Canada? Switzerland?

The U.S. isn't even first in timeliness of care among countries ranked in The Commonwealth Fund. Fifth. Out of 11.

Drugs and spending I concede.
I did not say they do not have technological advancement, but the US consistantly leads the world in the advancement of medicine, which can be seen in our dominance of Nobel prizes in medicine the last few decades.

 
The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
By what metric is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Technological advancement. Ability to see a doctor in a timely manner. The amount of drugs we pump into people. And Spending.
What technological advancement do you think we have in healthcare that they don't have in the UK? France? Germany? The Netherlands? Canada? Switzerland?

The U.S. isn't even first in timeliness of care among countries ranked in The Commonwealth Fund. Fifth. Out of 11.

Drugs and spending I concede.
We have the most expensive system. WHO ranked us #37 years ago.http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

 
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The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
In what reality is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Over 90% of the well educated doctors fled when Ebola got out of control in W. Africa. Human nature is the same on any continent.
As they should. This is beyond the scope of what volunteers can deal with. We need large scale multi-government efforts.

 
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The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
In what reality is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Over 90% of the well educated doctors fled when Ebola got out of control in W. Africa. Human nature is the same on any continent.
That may be true, but I haven't found the source of that number. I found a Washington Times article talking about doctors fleeing which referenced this CDC assessment.

Before the epidemic, six physicians served all four counties (range = one to three per county). At the time of the evaluation, only three physicians remained; the others had left Liberia because of the epidemic.
 
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The best healthcare system in the world and we do not know how to take a temperature. :wall:
In what reality is the U.S. the best healthcare system in the world?
Over 90% of the well educated doctors fled when Ebola got out of control in W. Africa. Human nature is the same on any continent.
As they should. This is beyond the scope of what volunteers can deal with. We need large scale multi-government efforts.
You mean like sending the National Guards to Ferguson and the 101st Airborne Division (punt unintended) to W. Africa?

 
Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.
This has been remedied. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/christie-sworn-doctor
:lmao:

Saying that he was “sick and tired of having my medical credentials questioned,” Governor Chris Christie (R-N.J.) had himself sworn in as a medical doctor on Sunday night.

Dr. Christie acknowledged that becoming a doctor generally requires pre-med classes, four years of medical school, plus additional years of residency, but he said that the Ebola epidemic compelled him to take “extraordinary measures, as we say in the medical profession.”

Dr. Christie said that, beginning on Monday, he would begin a series of random “house calls” to check New Jersey residents for Ebola and assign them for quarantine. “I can usually diagnose someone with Ebola in under a minute,” Dr. Christie said. “Even faster if I don’t actually see them.”
 

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