Ebola (1 Viewer)

[Harry Manback]

what is this rivers schtick you guys are running?

somebody ran with some "news" that since people were dumping dead bodies in rivers, the rivers were spreading the ebola.

It wasn't "news", it was a fact the way the people in Liberian were dumping bodies, it was spreading the disease. The dead bodies have very high concentrations of the virus and are highly contagious. Improving the way dead bodies are being handled is one of the key ways that the spread of the disease has finally started to slow in recent months.

jon_mx doubling down on his "it's in the rivers" shtick!

There numerous sources for this and multiple sources/groups/scientific analysis which showed the growth of the infections was growing exponentially, and yet this is somehow humorous.

I knew you would come back with 'exponential'.How's that working out for you?

It Is working out quite well, thank you. People have responded to the crisis and changed the trend. The U.S. military built lots of locations so there were beds for people where they could be treated. Brave doctors and nurses from all over the world have helped treated victims. Governments have isolated areas where outbreaks have occurred and restricted travel. Methods of disposing and handling of the dead has improved. People have been better educated on the subject. So instead of the outbreak growing from 5000 infected to over 100,000 by now, it has only grown to 20.000. All told, there will have been over a million lives saved by the overwhelming response versus not doing anything. You do see that as a good thing?

100,000 - 20,000 = 1,000,000.

Got it.

 

[3C's]

You obviously know nothing about exponentials.

 

[matuski]

Mali Ebola free.. their rivers dry up in a drought or something?

 

[El Floppo]

Mali Ebola free.. their rivers dry up in a drought or something?

The exponential drought of '15

 

[msommer]

Mali Ebola free.. their rivers dry up in a drought or something?

The exponential drought of '15

Dude, Mali's in the Sahara, man. Just saying, is all.

 

[jon_mx]

what is this rivers schtick you guys are running?

somebody ran with some "news" that since people were dumping dead bodies in rivers, the rivers were spreading the ebola.

It wasn't "news", it was a fact the way the people in Liberian were dumping bodies, it was spreading the disease. The dead bodies have very high concentrations of the virus and are highly contagious. Improving the way dead bodies are being handled is one of the key ways that the spread of the disease has finally started to slow in recent months.

jon_mx doubling down on his "it's in the rivers" shtick!

There numerous sources for this and multiple sources/groups/scientific analysis which showed the growth of the infections was growing exponentially, and yet this is somehow humorous.

I knew you would come back with 'exponential'.How's that working out for you?

It Is working out quite well, thank you. People have responded to the crisis and changed the trend. The U.S. military built lots of locations so there were beds for people where they could be treated. Brave doctors and nurses from all over the world have helped treated victims. Governments have isolated areas where outbreaks have occurred and restricted travel. Methods of disposing and handling of the dead has improved. People have been better educated on the subject. So instead of the outbreak growing from 5000 infected to over 100,000 by now, it has only grown to 20.000. All told, there will have been over a million lives saved by the overwhelming response versus not doing anything. You do see that as a good thing?

100,000 - 20,000 = 1,000,000.Got it.

100,000 was the figure that could have occurred by mid January. Without action, it could have continued at that continues to grow at that rate for many more months.

 

[msommer]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

yada yada yada

 

[3C's]

"without action..." there has always been action, even when it was growing "exponentially"

 

[Lutherman2112]

Ebola Outbreak Is on the Decline, WHO Says

...
There were fewer than 100 confirmed new cases of the deadly disease for the first time since the week ended June 29 in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea—the three countries that have borne the brunt of the outbreak.
...

Ebola Situation Report - 28 January 2015

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

@USAID: Since September, #Ebola infections in #Liberia have dropped from 300+ new cases per week to around one per day. http://t.co/e7wOE7ENqC

 

[msommer]

Is that an exponential decrease?

 

[James Daulton]

Nina Pham sues hospital for being negligent, for not giving proper training and equipment, and for violating her privacy by releasing info publicly about her.

Thoughts on this. My first thought is that she agreed to be a nurse and put herself in harms way (from a contagion perspective). I'm not 100% sure about the info that was released about her but this could be an issue. How much money could she reasonably expect to get from this? I can't believe it would be millions or even mult-hundred thousands.

 

[jon_mx]

Nina Pham sues hospital for being negligent, for not giving proper training and equipment, and for violating her privacy by releasing info publicly about her.

Thoughts on this. My first thought is that she agreed to be a nurse and put herself in harms way (from a contagion perspective). I'm not 100% sure about the info that was released about her but this could be an issue. How much money could she reasonably expect to get from this? I can't believe it would be millions or even mult-hundred thousands.

She contracted a deadly disease which has a high world-wide fatality rate. She probably had over $1 million in medical bill, although I assume her costs were mostly or entirely covered. It is hard to say if the hospital was negligent considering the CDC website was changing their guidance at the time. Considering the guidance by the CDC in place at the time, they probably were following. But there are stricter now and probably have more detailed processes defined. I think she has a case, although it is far from a slam dunk. But probably enough to get a nice settlement in the six-figure range.

 

[msommer]

high six figures would make a nice little nest egg for a nurse, even after her lawyers have taken their cut

 

[matuski]

Nina Pham sues hospital for being negligent, for not giving proper training and equipment, and for violating her privacy by releasing info publicly about her.

Thoughts on this. My first thought is that she agreed to be a nurse and put herself in harms way (from a contagion perspective). I'm not 100% sure about the info that was released about her but this could be an issue. How much money could she reasonably expect to get from this? I can't believe it would be millions or even mult-hundred thousands.

Her claim will be strong on the HIPPA violations, weak on the training claim, potentially strong on the equipment claim.

 

[the moops]

How much money would it take for you to be purposefully infected with the ebola virus, knowing that you would receive top notch care here in the US?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

How much money would it take for you to be purposefully infected with the ebola virus, knowing that you would receive top notch care here in the US?

80 bucks?

 

[bosoxs45]

Anthropologist Paul Farmer comments on challenges facing PIH in Ebola work in West Africa

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/13/world/africa/pattern-of-safety-lapses-where-group-worked-to-battle-ebola-outbreak.html

 

[the moops]

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

 

[3C's]

First it was in the rivers now it's in the eyes. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-virus-found-lurking-in-doctors-eye/

All kidding aside, pretty crazy.

 

[Christo]

Is Ebola eye the new ball cancer?

 

[cstu]

Is Ebola eye the new ball cancer?

I predict its use will grow exponentially.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Is Ebola eye the new ball cancer?

I predict its use will grow exponentially.

and whatever you do, don't rinse your eye out in the river.

 

[matuski]

Those clever bastards are pouring Ebola into our contact solution now.

 

[the moops]

jon_mx

Member Since 25 Aug 2003

OFFLINE Last Active Today, 03:48 PM

 

[cstu]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Thank you for the information.....but it is my understanding we have absolutely nothing to worry about...Oh by the way did I read that right that it is a 30% jump in 4 days...

 

[msommer]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

 

[the moops]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

 

[jon_mx]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

Seriously. When it grew from 1 case to 20,000 it exhibited exponential growth. What is wrong with stating provable facts?

 

[Doug B]

I wonder what the survival rate worldwide has been of those diagnosed with Ebola since, say, September 1, 2014?

That seemed like the biggest fear with Ebola ... less its spread rate and more that humans didn't seem to reliably survive contraction. But now?

Just doesn't seem like a world health crisis should be beatable in the space of seven months (yes, I am purposefully ignoring all Ebola history before last fall). Is humanity's medical knowledge and technology just THAT awesome?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I wonder what the survival rate worldwide has been of those diagnosed with Ebola since, say, September 1, 2014?

That seemed like the biggest fear with Ebola ... less its spread rate and more that humans didn't seem to reliably survive contraction. But now?

Just doesn't seem like a world health crisis should be beatable in the space of seven months (yes, I am purposefully ignoring all Ebola history before last fall). Is humanity's medical knowledge and technology just THAT awesome?

Yep. Our medical and technological knowledge are exponentially awesome.

 

[culdeus]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

Seriously. When it grew from 1 case to 20,000 it exhibited exponential growth. What is wrong with stating provable facts?

Wow you really are going to die on this hill.

 

[jon_mx]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

Seriously. When it grew from 1 case to 20,000 it exhibited exponential growth. What is wrong with stating provable facts?

Wow you really are going to die on this hill.

It was an accurate statement. Nothing grows exponentially forever, it eventuly hits a wall. In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome. I have no idea what is so confusing about it.

 

[culdeus]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

Seriously. When it grew from 1 case to 20,000 it exhibited exponential growth. What is wrong with stating provable facts?

Wow you really are going to die on this hill.

It was an accurate statement. Nothing grows exponentially forever, it eventuly hits a wall. In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome. I have no idea what is so confusing about it.

I don't really understand why you are being so obtuse on this. At the time you claimed this exponential growth that would go on forever and wipe out humanity it was already clear that the real issue was that personal hygiene, mortuary hygiene, and medical practices was driving the growth and these were already being addressed and the exponential growth from however you drew the line was non sustainable.

 

[CBusAlex]

In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome.

Thank god we enacted that travel ban, otherwise it would still be spreading exponentially.

 

[jon_mx]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

Seriously. When it grew from 1 case to 20,000 it exhibited exponential growth. What is wrong with stating provable facts?

Wow you really are going to die on this hill.

It was an accurate statement. Nothing grows exponentially forever, it eventuly hits a wall. In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome. I have no idea what is so confusing about it.

I don't really understand why you are being so obtuse on this. At the time you claimed this exponential growth that would go on forever and wipe out humanity it was already clear that the real issue was that personal hygiene, mortuary hygiene, and medical practices was driving the growth and these were already being addressed and the exponential growth from however you drew the line was non sustainable.

That is a complete horse #### lie. Nowhere did I say it would go on forever.

 

[jon_mx]

In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome.

Thank god we enacted that travel ban, otherwise it would still be spreading exponentially.

Handling and disposing of dead bodies. Isolating communities which had outbreaks. Treatment centers which kept patients isolated and used proper PPE. Public awareness. Lots of actions played a role.

 

[Bucky86]

@ jon now downplaying his paranoia.

 

[cosjobs]

In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome.

Thank god we enacted that travel ban, otherwise it would still be spreading exponentially.

Handling and disposing of dead bodies. Isolating communities which had outbreaks. Treatment centers which kept patients isolated and used proper PPE. Public awareness. Lots of actions played a role.

Including hysteria and knee-jerk public policy?

 

[msommer]

In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome.

Thank god we enacted that travel ban, otherwise it would still be spreading exponentially.

Handling and disposing of dead bodies. Isolating communities which had outbreaks. Treatment centers which kept patients isolated and used proper PPE. Public awareness. Lots of actions played a role.

Including hysteria and knee-jerk public policy?

I have got to keep up on this board to not miss this stuff.

jon_mx fighting the exponential fight is comedy gold, jerry

 

[3C's]

Liberia is now exponentially Ebola free

Liberia-free-of-ebola-says-who

Seriously dude?

Liberia is ebola free.

Not sure what exponent that is though

Seriously. When it grew from 1 case to 20,000 it exhibited exponential growth. What is wrong with stating provable facts?

Wow you really are going to die on this hill.

It was an accurate statement. Nothing grows exponentially forever, it eventuly hits a wall. In this case behavior changes substantially and it changed the outcome. I have no idea what is so confusing about it.

I don't really understand why you are being so obtuse on this. At the time you claimed this exponential growth that would go on forever and wipe out humanity it was already clear that the real issue was that personal hygiene, mortuary hygiene, and medical practices was driving the growth and these were already being addressed and the exponential growth from however you drew the line was non sustainable.

That is a complete horse #### lie. Nowhere did I say it would go on forever.

 

[The Z Machine]

I wonder what the health systems are like after the epidemic passes? One has to think this was a huge blow to an already extremely weak and underfunded system.

 

[cstu]

Ebola vaccine.

Word on the street is that it's exponentially effective.

 

[NCCommish]

Gee as expected there was no epidemic and the country didn't descend into an apocalyptic wasteland. Everyone who fed the hysteria should be laughed out of the country. Of course then Fox wouldn't have very many employees to lie to you every night.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Gee as expected there was no epidemic and the country didn't descend into an apocalyptic wasteland. Everyone who fed the hysteria should be laughed out of the country. Of course then Fox wouldn't have very many employees to lie to you every night.

What is not so funny is the Rothchild land grab in West Africa during the Ebola outbreak. This company has been a big polluter for years.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/world/africa/palm-oil-company-is-accused-of-exploiting-liberias-ebola-crisis.html?_r=0

 

[NCCommish]

Gee as expected there was no epidemic and the country didn't descend into an apocalyptic wasteland. Everyone who fed the hysteria should be laughed out of the country. Of course then Fox wouldn't have very many employees to lie to you every night.

What is not so funny is the Rothchild land grab in West Africa during the Ebola outbreak. This company has been a big polluter for years.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/world/africa/palm-oil-company-is-accused-of-exploiting-liberias-ebola-crisis.html?_r=0

Well it kind of depends doesn't it? If the company lives up to it's promises perhaps those folks get a better life. The government sure isn't in any hurry to help and on top of it comes off as inept anyways.

 

[skol asylum]

I'd rather world health care organizations overreact than underreact when it comes to potential catastrophic plagues.

 

[NCCommish]

I'd rather world health care organizations overreact than underreact when it comes to potential catastrophic plagues.

Overreaction can be just as harmful as under. How about we listen to people who know and react accordingly? Instead of letting the tin foil hat crew push the plan?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Gee as expected there was no epidemic and the country didn't descend into an apocalyptic wasteland. Everyone who fed the hysteria should be laughed out of the country. Of course then Fox wouldn't have very many employees to lie to you every night.

What is not so funny is the Rothchild land grab in West Africa during the Ebola outbreak. This company has been a big polluter for years.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/world/africa/palm-oil-company-is-accused-of-exploiting-liberias-ebola-crisis.html?_r=0

Well it kind of depends doesn't it? If the company lives up to it's promises perhaps those folks get a better life. The government sure isn't in any hurry to help and on top of it comes off as inept anyways.

But it is not right for the company to "buy" the land for peanuts. In 1926, another company (Firestone) acquired a million acres for 6 cents per acre (total $780K in today's money). There has been a lot of this kind of abuse since then.

 

[matuski]

I have spent my share of time in the rivers in Texas this summer. Thank goodness nobody has been pouring ebola or gonorrhea or spanish flu in them.