Eddie Lacy - Ingram part 2? (1 Viewer)

[Keith Lewis]

Both from Alabama

Both inferior to Richardson

Packers/Saints similarities -

Two best QBs in league

Pass first teams

No great RB star recently

Use RBBC

Bad defenses

Just want a heads up if we are in for 3 years of excuses by Lacy owners?

Personally I like Lacy more than I ever liked Ingram and there is not the idiotic hype with Lacy. With that said the similarities of the two situations seems too much for me. I think he will be much better than Ingram but won't be on any of my teams.

Where do you stand?

 

[Man of Zen]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

 

[TheGrimReaper]

Lacy was operating behind the 2nd string o-line, had a 15 yd gain negated by penalty, and covered a fumble by the
QB that was charged to Lacy as a 6 yd loss, all against a top tier D unit that still had it's starters on the field.....You want to make that analogy to Ingram based on limited pre-season intel vs a player that has been in the league for a few years go ahead......

 

[EBF]

I wouldn't go that far just yet.

There are some similarities though. Two guys who made a name for themselves at a major program where they were surrounded by good talent. Neither one of them impressed in pro day workouts. I liked Lacy okay at Alabama, but the biggest issue for me as a draft prospect was the lack of measured athletic ability. Slow 40. Bad jumps. Slow three cone time. In that sense he's like a carbon copy of Ingram.

The big difference you pointed out is the situation. There is no Pierre Thomas or Darren Sproles in Green Bay. Harris could pose some threat, but the other backs on the roster are basically filler. So even if Lacy is a 3.6 YPC plodder, he should still have a chance at 1000+ rushing yards this season by virtue of workload alone.

 

[meyerj31]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Or the underrated, tough, veteran RB that will steal touches (Pierre Thomas)?

Yea, sorry, the situation isn't close. The Saints never made a legitimate, hard commitment to the run like the Packers have done this off-season. And I believe Lacy is a lot more talented than Ingram. DuJuan Harris is also hurt right now so Lacy has very little competition to dominate touches. I think Starks has done very well this preseason so he could be in the mix as well, but I still see 60-75% of the touches going Lacy's direction to start the year. Ingram never touched the ball that much.

The only thing that will keep Lacy from hitting the 1,000 yard mark this season is the schedule and health of the WRs. The Packers have a brutal schedule this year (6th hardest) and is ear-marked by many tough run DEF teams. And if Nelson/Cobb don't get healthy quick, Lacy is going to be swarmed. It's hard to stack 8 in the box against Rodgers, but teams will do it when if we're trotting out Boykin as our second best receiver.

 

[Man of Zen]

Forgot Pierre. The Saints RB's are crazy productive, taken together. Obviously you can't just add them up and say that's what Lacy ought to do, but the pie in GB gets cut into way fewer slices, and I don't see anybody but Lacy taking a very big one.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Franklin? There is no Sproles. I see Harris as Thomas though.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Lacy looked a lot better last night against SEA than I ever remembering Ingram look. I agree that Lacy most probably isn't Richardson, but in GB he doesn't have to be to be successful.

 

[TheGrimReaper]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Franklin? There is no Sproles. I see Harris as Thomas though.

You are kidding right? Franklin has been the definition of below mediocre since TC started.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Lacy was operating behind the 2nd string o-line, had a 15 yd gain negated by penalty, and covered a fumble by the

QB that was charged to Lacy as a 6 yd loss, all against a top tier D unit that still had it's starters on the field.....You want to make that analogy to Ingram based on limited pre-season intel vs a player that has been in the league for a few years go ahead......

I already said I like Lacy better. I put a list of comps between the Saints and Packers. It's like you don't comprehend simple English. Settle down Beavis and pay attention.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Or the underrated, tough, veteran RB that will steal touches (Pierre Thomas)?

Yea, sorry, the situation isn't close. The Saints never made a legitimate, hard commitment to the run like the Packers have done this off-season. And I believe Lacy is a lot more talented than Ingram. DuJuan Harris is also hurt right now so Lacy has very little competition to dominate touches. I think Starks has done very well this preseason so he could be in the mix as well, but I still see 60-75% of the touches going Lacy's direction to start the year. Ingram never touched the ball that much.

The only thing that will keep Lacy from hitting the 1,000 yard mark this season is the schedule and health of the WRs. The Packers have a brutal schedule this year (6th hardest) and is ear-marked by many tough run DEF teams. And if Nelson/Cobb don't get healthy quick, Lacy is going to be swarmed. It's hard to stack 8 in the box against Rodgers, but teams will do it when if we're trotting out Boykin as our second best receiver.

You think 8 men in the box with Aaron Rodgers at QB? Nonsense.

 

[TheGrimReaper]

Lacy was operating behind the 2nd string o-line, had a 15 yd gain negated by penalty, and covered a fumble by the

QB that was charged to Lacy as a 6 yd loss, all against a top tier D unit that still had it's starters on the field.....You want to make that analogy to Ingram based on limited pre-season intel vs a player that has been in the league for a few years go ahead......

I already said I like Lacy better. I put a list of comps between the Saints and Packers. It's like you don't comprehend simple English. Settle down Beavis and pay attention.

Please.......ur killing me..lol....I comprehended exactly what you insinuated. And for the record, Ingram has always had a WAY better O-line to work with in NOR.....better you comp the two after Lacy has a larger body of work than 3 preseason glimpses.....try again shall we!

 

[Keith Lewis]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Franklin? There is no Sproles. I see Harris as Thomas though.

You are kidding right? Franklin has been the definition of below mediocre since TC started.

Your reading comprehension is horrible. I said no Sproles. WTF?

 

[Man of Zen]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Franklin? There is no Sproles. I see Harris as Thomas though.

I think most offenses that don't have a Sproles could support an Ingram and a Thomas just fine.

NO passed quite a bit more than GB, and a lot of that difference was how much they use the RB's.

GB ran quite a bit more than NO.

So you can draw something a little bit like a parallel if you accept that Sproles's receptions, if he were on GB, would probably be extra rushes instead.

That would make Ingram a 300 touch back if you took Sproles out and gave his touches to Ingram. What would you think of Ingram's prospects this year if you thought he would get 300 touches in the Saints' offense?

 

[meyerj31]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Or the underrated, tough, veteran RB that will steal touches (Pierre Thomas)?

Yea, sorry, the situation isn't close. The Saints never made a legitimate, hard commitment to the run like the Packers have done this off-season. And I believe Lacy is a lot more talented than Ingram. DuJuan Harris is also hurt right now so Lacy has very little competition to dominate touches. I think Starks has done very well this preseason so he could be in the mix as well, but I still see 60-75% of the touches going Lacy's direction to start the year. Ingram never touched the ball that much.

The only thing that will keep Lacy from hitting the 1,000 yard mark this season is the schedule and health of the WRs. The Packers have a brutal schedule this year (6th hardest) and is ear-marked by many tough run DEF teams. And if Nelson/Cobb don't get healthy quick, Lacy is going to be swarmed. It's hard to stack 8 in the box against Rodgers, but teams will do it when if we're trotting out Boykin as our second best receiver.

You think 8 men in the box with Aaron Rodgers at QB? Nonsense.

Did you read what I said? It's hard to stack 8 in the box against Rodgers, but teams will do it when if we're trotting out Boykin as our second best receiver.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Lacy was operating behind the 2nd string o-line, had a 15 yd gain negated by penalty, and covered a fumble by the

QB that was charged to Lacy as a 6 yd loss, all against a top tier D unit that still had it's starters on the field.....You want to make that analogy to Ingram based on limited pre-season intel vs a player that has been in the league for a few years go ahead......

I already said I like Lacy better. I put a list of comps between the Saints and Packers. It's like you don't comprehend simple English. Settle down Beavis and pay attention.

Please.......ur killing me..lol....I comprehended exactly what you insinuated. And for the record, Ingram has always had a WAY better O-line to work with in NOR.....better you comp the two after Lacy has a larger body of work than 3 preseason glimpses.....try again shall we!

Since you comprehend so well. See the list. Agree with which?

Both from Alabama

Both inferior to Richardson

Packers/Saints similarities -

Two best QBs in league

Pass first teams

No great RB star recently

Use RBBC

Bad defenses

And FYI, NO having a better oline than GB doesn't help your cause.

 

[menobrown]

I feel good enough saying Ingram is not a dynamic talent but still does not mean he can't eventually a very good NFL or fantasy RB. It's just that right now what I think is his best trait is being wasted and that's a RB capable of being a 20+ carry back. He seems like one of those RB's who would actually get better with more carries. His current usage is more suited for a dynamic type talent whose workload is best managed. He's still young, about 13 months older than Lacy, and he likey won't spend his entire career in a pass happy 3 headed RBBC so he's still got a chance to shed the bust label.

I like what I've seen from Lacy despite the poor statistical showing from last night. He's got Jerome Bettis like feet and size with a Mendenhall spin move and I've read he's already the best pass blocker on the team and that is somewhat supported by his third down usage. He may not break a lot of long runs but if you look at a guy like Eddie George he had a long and good career and I don't think ever broke a 40+ yard run after this rookie year. I see a guy consistenly able to gain yards, should be an outsanding goal line back and add some receptions due to not needing to leave the game on passing downs and there is a lot to like. I was actually pretty down on him during the draft process but I'm liking him more and more.

 

[TheGrimReaper]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Franklin? There is no Sproles. I see Harris as Thomas though.

You are kidding right? Franklin has been the definition of below mediocre since TC started.

Your reading comprehension is horrible. I said no Sproles. WTF?

Riprock, relax and try some decaf, K? I get what you said. I am neither comp'g Sproles to Franklin, and neither are you. What Im replying to you is that Franklin is in no way at the current moment, any threat to Lacy's touches. If you want to say that Harris is or could be, fine. I would agree with that. However, the crux of our disagreement is your insinuation that Lacy = Ingram based on a limited body of work. That is all Im saying..

 

[JuniorNB]

Let me be the first to predict that if Lacy disappoints, Keith Lewis will be here trolling twenty times a week acting as if he is a fantasy genius. But if Lacy turns out to be a viable fantasy starter, he'll run home and disappear like a schoolgirl who forgot to put on her britches.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Let me be the first to predict that if Lacy disappoints, Keith Lewis will be here trolling twenty times a week acting as if he is a fantasy genius. But if Lacy turns out to be a viable fantasy starter, he'll run home and disappear like a schoolgirl who forgot to put on her britches.

I like Lacy and I am on record rooting for him. No bragging if he fails.

If Lacy succeeds I will be right here, rooting for him.

The one thing I won't be silent about is making excuses for Lacy for years the way people do with Ingram.

It's funny how I keep saying I like Lacy and the fanboys act like I'm insulting their family. Keep it real.

 

[Kenny Powers]

This whole thread is just a Multiple Scores fishing trip. Stop providing the bait for him.

 

[sho nuff]

This whole thread is just a Multiple Scores fishing trip. Stop providing the bait for him.

Even I see that...

 

[Hoosier16]

Just want a heads up if we are in for 3 years of excuses by Lacy owners?

Personally I like Lacy more than I ever liked Ingram and there is not the idiotic hype with Lacy. With that said the similarities of the two situations seems too much for me. I think he will be much better than Ingram but won't be on any of my teams.

Where do you stand?

So, he'll be just like Ingram only much better?

 

[Keith Lewis]

How about this. If next offseason and the 2015 offseason we are looking at Lacy who finishes between RB28-RB50 and you hear lots of cackling how he would be a RB1-high end RB2 "IF ONLY" .......... You reflect back and think that Keith guy was onto something.

And stop saying I don't believe he is talented, never did I say that.

 

[Underachievers]

Who's the Sproles you see keeping Lacy's production down?

Or the underrated, tough, veteran RB that will steal touches (Pierre Thomas)?

Yea, sorry, the situation isn't close. The Saints never made a legitimate, hard commitment to the run like the Packers have done this off-season. And I believe Lacy is a lot more talented than Ingram. DuJuan Harris is also hurt right now so Lacy has very little competition to dominate touches. I think Starks has done very well this preseason so he could be in the mix as well, but I still see 60-75% of the touches going Lacy's direction to start the year. Ingram never touched the ball that much.

The only thing that will keep Lacy from hitting the 1,000 yard mark this season is the schedule and health of the WRs. The Packers have a brutal schedule this year (6th hardest) and is ear-marked by many tough run DEF teams. And if Nelson/Cobb don't get healthy quick, Lacy is going to be swarmed. It's hard to stack 8 in the box against Rodgers, but teams will do it when if we're trotting out Boykin as our second best receiver.

You are so confident in Lacy that you already have your excuses ready?

 

[Riffraff]

The toe surgery could still be a long term issue. It's what allowed Lacy to drop to the Packers in the first place.

Wasn't so long ago he was getting the L. Bell treatment by FF players.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Packers OC Tom Clements used the term "hot hand" to describe Green Bay's backfield going forward.
The Packers want to increase James Starks' usage after his 7-57-1 line in last week's win over Minnesota. Eddie Lacy is going to remain a 20-plus touch candidate, but owners can't expect the 33 he saw against the Vikings. "Well, you want to get them both work," said Clements. "You don’t want to overload one or the other but if one has the hot hand then you stick with him. So it’s not a set plan as to how that works, but they’re both going to play." Lacy remains an RB1 for Monday night against the Bears. Starks would be a risky flex option.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

*** Disclaimer - I like Lacy and the dominance that he has flashed at times, and Starks getting a few more touches should help to insure that Lacy doesn't hit the rookie wall this year.

 

[turkishkamel]

Rotoworld:

Packers OC Tom Clements used the term "hot hand" to describe Green Bay's backfield going forward.
The Packers want to increase James Starks' usage after his 7-57-1 line in last week's win over Minnesota. Eddie Lacy is going to remain a 20-plus touch candidate, but owners can't expect the 33 he saw against the Vikings. "Well, you want to get them both work," said Clements. "You don’t want to overload one or the other but if one has the hot hand then you stick with him. So it’s not a set plan as to how that works, but they’re both going to play." Lacy remains an RB1 for Monday night against the Bears. Starks would be a risky flex option.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

*** Disclaimer - I like Lacy and the dominance that he has flashed at times, and Starks getting a few more touches should help to insure that Lacy doesn't hit the rookie wall this year.

Agreed. I was a little worried about Lacy's workload getting to him down the stretch. I'm all for Starks or Franklin snagging 5-10 touches a game.

But no more than that <_<