Eddie Royal Overhyped? (1 Viewer)

[Maven]

Yes, he had a good game.

Yes, he abused the Raiders secondary.

Yes, he abused former Pro Bowl corner Deangelo Hall...

But don't you think he's a little bit over-hyped in the world of fantasy.

PERFECT TIME TO SELL

1. Hes a rookie wr

Historically, rooke wrs don't do fair well in their first year in the NFL. Many need about 3 years (well documented 3 year breakout) to adjust to speed of the game, improve their route running and overall toughness/quickness . The game is just much more physical at this level.

Royal, praised for his route running and quickness before the draft put on a show last Monday against the Raiders in Week 1. The Raiders seemed to shy away from bump and run physical style defense the whole game letting Eddie roam free in coverage. Kiffin even acknowledged that this week.

Also with inexperience comes inconsistency, something fantasy owners dread.

2. His size

Royal is 5'10 182. Relatively small compared to other WRs in the NFL. Some may argue size plays no importance at the WR position (S. Smith). But how many WR's with his same size have been successful on the NFL level, let alone make it through an entire season?

3. Pre-season any indication of success?

Some people have forgot that Royal started opposite Marshall all throughout the pre-season. I know, the pre-season...But how did he do? Not particularly well. Marshall received a huge load of the looks and catches while both were in with the first team.

4. Brandon Marshall factor

Now in his second year, Marshall still is the focal point and center of the Broncos offense. He is arguably their most talented player and big time playmaker. It's foolish to think Royal will continue to produce 80+ yards a game as the #2 wideout for the Broncos. Marshall will dominate the looks (led the league last year) once again, and Royal will have to make plays in the few looks he receives to be of value. He's definitely not a redzone threat. Most of his damage will be on long deep plays.

5. SELL SELL SELL

Fantasy sports is basically a stock market. You have to know when to buy and sell. This is a perfect time to let Royal go for a legitimate #2/3 WR for those suckers willing to dish. Marshall in the lineup changes everything. He wont be the player as far as production you saw Monday vs. the Raiders for the remaining season.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, he had a good game.Yes, he abused the Raiders secondary.Yes, he abused former Pro Bowl corner Deangelo Hall...But don't you think he's a little bit over-hyped in the world of fantasy. PERFECT TIME TO SELL1. Hes a rookie wrHistorically, rooke wrs don't do fair well in their first year in the NFL. Many need about 3 years (well documented 3 year breakout) to adjust to speed of the game, improve their route running and overall toughness/quickness . The game is just much more physical at this level. Royal, praised for his route running and quickness before the draft put on a show last Monday against the Raiders in Week 1. The Raiders seemed to shy away from bump and run physical style defense the whole game letting Eddie roam free in coverage. Kiffin even acknowledged that this week. Also with inexperience comes inconsistency, something fantasy owners dread. 2. His sizeRoyal is 5'10 182. Relatively small compared to other WRs in the NFL. Some may argue size plays no importance at the WR position (S. Smith). But how many WR's with his same size have been successful on the NFL level, let alone make it through an entire season? 3. Pre-season any indication of success?Some people have forgot that Royal started opposite Marshall all throughout the pre-season. I know, the pre-season...But how did he do? Not particularly well. Marshall received a huge load of the looks and catches while both were in with the first team. 4. Brandon Marshall factorNow in his second year, Marshall still is the focal point and center of the Broncos offense. He is arguably their most talented player and big time playmaker. It's foolish to think Royal will continue to produce 80+ yards a game as the #2 wideout for the Broncos. Marshall will dominate the looks (led the league last year) once again, and Royal will have to make plays in the few looks he receives to be of value. He's definitely not a redzone threat. Most of his damage will be on long deep plays. 5. SELL SELL SELLFantasy sports is basically a stock market. You have to know when to buy and sell. This is a perfect time to let Royal go for a legitimate #2/3 WR for those suckers willing to dish. Marshall in the lineup changes everything. He wont be the player as far as production you saw Monday vs. the Raiders for the remaining season.

Good posting, although you could have probably posted it in the Royal trade thread.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

It all depends on who you are selling for.

Dude could have a sick future ahead of him.

It was his first game which makes him even more of

an enigma.

Sky's the Limit, imo.

 

[FavreCo]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck.

I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Good posting, although you could have probably posted it in the Royal trade thread.

I should point out that i dont really agree with trading him, unless you can get a great deal.

 

[EBF]

In a redraft you might be able to get a better WR for Royal.

In a dynasty I don't think it makes sense to trade him for any of the WRs you could get for him.

Regarding your specific points:

1. Yes, he's a rookie and he'll have his ups and downs. He won't get 150 yards each week, but he's starting and he's talented.

2. Size is overrated at WR. Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, and Torry Holt aren't much bigger than Royal.

3. The preseason is practice. You can't look at 2-3 quarters of practice as a predictor of Royal's season.

4. Many teams in the NFL sustain more than one productive FF WR: Pitt, Indy, NE, Ari, Cin, NYJ, Det, etc. Marshall is a non-factor. Royal's success depends on Royal.

5. It's important to sell high. It's also important to recognize when you've hit the jackpot. Just because a player does well doesn't mean you should trade him. How would you feel if you had traded Peterson after his first good game? Now obviously there's a chance that Royal is a mirage, but that's why you can't yet trade him for someone like Jennings or Holmes. His risk has already been factored into his value.

 

[omally]

Fantasy sports is basically a stock market. You have to know when to buy and sell. This is a perfect time to let Royal go for a legitimate #2/3 WR for those suckers willing to dish. Marshall in the lineup changes everything. He wont be the player as far as production you saw Monday vs. the Raiders for the remaining season.

I think Royal will be a legitimate #2 WR this season. I wouldn't sell him.

 

[Interseptopus]

In a redraft you might be able to get a better WR for Royal.In a dynasty I don't think it makes sense to trade him for any of the WRs you could get for him. Regarding your specific points:1. Yes, he's a rookie and he'll have his ups and downs. He won't get 150 yards each week, but he's starting and he's talented. 2. Size is overrated at WR. Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, and Torry Holt aren't much bigger than Royal. 3. The preseason is practice. You can't look at 2-3 quarters of practice as a predictor of Royal's season.4. Many teams in the NFL sustain more than one productive FF WR: Pitt, Indy, NE, Ari, Cin, NYJ, Det, etc. Marshall is a non-factor. Royal's success depends on Royal. 5. It's important to sell high. It's also important to recognize when you've hit the jackpot. Just because a player does well doesn't mean you should trade him. How would you feel if you had traded Peterson after his first good game? Now obviously there's a chance that Royal is a mirage, but that's why you can't yet trade him for someone like Jennings or Holmes. His risk has already been factored into his value.

If I could trade Royal for Jennings I'd take that in a heart beat. Jennings will be a factor for GB all season, Royal will have his ups and downs.I do agree with you though, I don't think it really makes sense to trade him given the reasons you've listed. I think if he continues to perform with Marshall starting, then maybe people would bite on him. Too many people think his surge is the result of Marshall being out.Bottom line is Royal is a multi-purpose WR. He can run, he can catch, he can do all kinds of weird things. I haven't seen that from a WR before when I watched him play. I was vrey impressed. He's a sort of slasher. Hard to describe him. Very quick, very elusive, very very multi-purpose. Right now the WRs you could get for him are probably not even worth it because they have zero upside. If you can get someone you can start weekly (like Jennings) then sure take it in a redraft, but if someone offers you someone like Vincent Jackson or something like that, then there's no point in it. If you can get a top WR who will produce weekly, then yes I say trade him. He will not be a top 20 WR all season. He may finish as a good WR3 to have. To me, it looks like DEN is more pass-orientated this season, which bodes well for Royal. Royal is a gem, and every owner should hold onto him unless they can cash in like bandits after week 1

 

[gebz306]

Cutler looked absolutely fantastic. He WILL have value all year. How much is the question. I am holding on to him because I have Marshall

 

[KellysHeroes]

You would have to give up a top 10 - 15 range WR for him... no one will pay that price.

Just Hold... sell now would be selling low

 

[Burning Sensation]

I totally agree with EBF and Warriors Fever. Sure if you can get a young, more established WR for him, by all means do it. Its more likely though that someone would be trading Royal for a non-WR. No way is someone going to give you a top 15-18 RB for him, but woud you really trade him for Lendale White or Chris Perry? I woudnt, and i dont think Royal would fetch much more than that. Of course alot of this depends on league-type, his value is higher in a dynasty league. I just traded Eli for him in a dynasty league, but i had the QB depth to do so. I cant imagine getting much more than that for him in a dynasty league, and even less in a redraft. So might as well hang onto him, and reap the benefits of getting a top 25 WR at the end of your draft.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I don't expect this but its' possible. Let's say SD double covers Marshall, and singles up Royal. Royal gets more targets and ends up with the better day.

Under that scenario I think its probable that a few heads would explode among the SP.

 

[JSH21]

I got Ocho for him and I am thrilled with that.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I got Ocho for him and I am thrilled with that.

I have Ocho CincoYou got ripped off.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Bottom line is Royal is a multi-purpose WR. He can run, he can catch, he can do all kinds of weird things. I haven't seen that from a WR before when I watched him play. I was vrey impressed. He's a sort of slasher. Hard to describe him. Very quick, very elusive, very very multi-purpose.

Sure you have. His name is Steve Smith, I'm not ready to say Royal is the second coming but their game is very similar.

 

[TakiToki]

Royal's performance blew me the #### away. I'm an old guy, and there are but a handful of guys that have made my head snap back while watching them under the real lights for the first time. This kid has "it".

 

[LawFitz]

I'm considering trading Royal for Chris Johnson.

 

[CaptainHook]

Well of course you aren't going to get a guy like Jennings or Holmes. If you are thinking reasonably those guys are basically his ceiling this year. I'd say it's more a question of do you package eddie royal with a reggie bush or chris johnson(15-20RBs) to get a frank gore(5-10RB) or do you stick with eddie royal.

From what I've seen I'd probably stick with eddie royal since Marshall can only make it easier for him. Cutler only focused in on Marshall so hard because he had no faith in his 2nd WR. You can already tell this is not the case with Royal, and marshall is such a physical specimen that he can't help but draw double teams.

There are at least 3 major studs in Denver this year. Maybe scheffler too.

 

[Chickenwang]

after watching him the other night, how many of you guys jumped off your couch to run over to the computer?

I added him to my team so fast I didn't really care who I was dropping.

Gold

 

[baconisgood]

Yes, he had a good game.Yes, he abused the Raiders secondary.Yes, he abused former Pro Bowl corner Deangelo Hall...But don't you think he's a little bit over-hyped in the world of fantasy. PERFECT TIME TO SELL1. Hes a rookie wrHistorically, rooke wrs don't do fair well in their first year in the NFL. Many need about 3 years (well documented 3 year breakout) to adjust to speed of the game, improve their route running and overall toughness/quickness . The game is just much more physical at this level. Royal, praised for his route running and quickness before the draft put on a show last Monday against the Raiders in Week 1. The Raiders seemed to shy away from bump and run physical style defense the whole game letting Eddie roam free in coverage. Kiffin even acknowledged that this week. Also with inexperience comes inconsistency, something fantasy owners dread. 2. His sizeRoyal is 5'10 182. Relatively small compared to other WRs in the NFL. Some may argue size plays no importance at the WR position (S. Smith). But how many WR's with his same size have been successful on the NFL level, let alone make it through an entire season? 3. Pre-season any indication of success?Some people have forgot that Royal started opposite Marshall all throughout the pre-season. I know, the pre-season...But how did he do? Not particularly well. Marshall received a huge load of the looks and catches while both were in with the first team. 4. Brandon Marshall factorNow in his second year, Marshall still is the focal point and center of the Broncos offense. He is arguably their most talented player and big time playmaker. It's foolish to think Royal will continue to produce 80+ yards a game as the #2 wideout for the Broncos. Marshall will dominate the looks (led the league last year) once again, and Royal will have to make plays in the few looks he receives to be of value. He's definitely not a redzone threat. Most of his damage will be on long deep plays. 5. SELL SELL SELLFantasy sports is basically a stock market. You have to know when to buy and sell. This is a perfect time to let Royal go for a legitimate #2/3 WR for those suckers willing to dish. Marshall in the lineup changes everything. He wont be the player as far as production you saw Monday vs. the Raiders for the remaining season.

1. The legue has changed over the last few years. More passing emphasis on offense has led to more productive WRs at younger ages. Dwayne Bowe, Michael Clayton, Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes all had productive rookie seasons to name a few. 2. Been addressed. Wide Receiver in the NFL is much less physical than RB.3. he did well enough to earn the start from the Broncos point of view with Marshall out, hes done enough now from their POV to warrant benching D jax now that Marshall is back.4. lots of receivers make their living on big plays without being redzone targets. 5. In the market you can do three things, buy, sell or hold and collect dividends. The whole point of fantasy is to COLLECT DIVIDENDS, you buy players so you can get their points.

 

[Andy Herron]

I don't see him as being overhyped at all. Anybody who watched that game saw him take Hall to school time and time again, and Cutler kept going to him.

I'd say that says it all right there.

 

[sandlotshrink]

He seems entrenched as the WR2 in an offense that has an up-and-coming QB and lacks a true RB1 so he has a good chance to continue his success. I'm believing the hype and just offered the McGahee owner R.Rice for Royal. We'll see.

 

[-baller]

I cut tom brady for him.

 

[tomarken]

I got Ocho for him and I am thrilled with that.

I have Ocho CincoYou got ripped off.

 

[bad-golfer]

He did look good CATCH MARSHALL'S PASSES

 

[bucsbaby]

If he does what he did this week when Marshall is back in the lineup then I'll be impressed.

 

[Kegs & Eggs]

I just unloaded him for Torry Holt.

 

[jon007]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck. I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

I was going to ask if they watched the game. This kid has the goods. He didn't just beat Hall every now and then, he made Hall trip over his own damn feet. The break your ankles type of cut. Runs great routes and has nice hands and not bricks that even TO has sometimes. It will fun watching these kids (Royal, Jackson) over the next few years. They may make this WR draft class one of the best in a long time.

 

[JSH21]

If you really think Royal will outproduce Ocho Cinco this year then I want what you're smoking. It was one game people, against the most overrated corner in the league, and without the guy that will be getting most of the looks from here on out in Marshall. Royal won't even break 1,000 yards on the season.

 

[Jason Wood]

Royal didn't just have a solid Week One, he had a historically significant Week One. Looking at the other rookies to have relatively similar starts to their career, Royal stands an excellent chance to be a top-20 receiver THIS YEAR. You don't give that up, particularly when you landed him for a late round pick or a waiver claim.

 

[moose162]

even as a Bronco fan, this hype is making me nauseous

 

[Burning Sensation]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck.

I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

I was going to ask if they watched the game. This kid has the goods. He didn't just beat Hall every now and then, he made Hall trip over his own damn feet. The break your ankles type of cut. Runs great routes and has nice hands and not bricks that even TO has sometimes. It will fun watching these kids (Royal, Jackson) over the next few years. They may make this WR draft class one of the best in a long time.

They will have to be Moss/Owens to beat the Marshall/Holmes/Jennings/Colston class.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I got Ocho for him and I am thrilled with that.

I have Ocho CincoYou got ripped off.

Thats funny.. because thats who I was thinking offering for a package that has Eddie in it.He might come back down to earth this weekend... then I'll make my moves

 

[yinzer]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck.

I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

I was going to ask if they watched the game. This kid has the goods. He didn't just beat Hall every now and then, he made Hall trip over his own damn feet. The break your ankles type of cut. Runs great routes and has nice hands and not bricks that even TO has sometimes. It will fun watching these kids (Royal, Jackson) over the next few years. They may make this WR draft class one of the best in a long time.

They will have to be Moss/Owens to beat the Marshall/Holmes/Jennings/Colston class.

Im pretty sure Moss was drafted 98, Owens in 96..tough make

 

[Burning Sensation]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck.

I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

I was going to ask if they watched the game. This kid has the goods. He didn't just beat Hall every now and then, he made Hall trip over his own damn feet. The break your ankles type of cut. Runs great routes and has nice hands and not bricks that even TO has sometimes. It will fun watching these kids (Royal, Jackson) over the next few years. They may make this WR draft class one of the best in a long time.

They will have to be Moss/Owens to beat the Marshall/Holmes/Jennings/Colston class.

Im pretty sure Moss was drafted 98, Owens in 96..tough make

I know, i think you are missing the point.I was saying those two would have to be as good as Moss and Owens for this class to be considered as good as the Colston, Marshall, Holmes, Jennings class.

 

[yinzer]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck.

I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

I was going to ask if they watched the game. This kid has the goods. He didn't just beat Hall every now and then, he made Hall trip over his own damn feet. The break your ankles type of cut. Runs great routes and has nice hands and not bricks that even TO has sometimes. It will fun watching these kids (Royal, Jackson) over the next few years. They may make this WR draft class one of the best in a long time.

They will have to be Moss/Owens to beat the Marshall/Holmes/Jennings/Colston class.

Im pretty sure Moss was drafted 98, Owens in 96..tough make

I know, i think you are missing the point.I was saying those two would have to be as good as Moss and Owens for this class to be considered as good as the Colston, Marshall, Holmes, Jennings class.

Considering neither are as good as Colston, Matshall, or Holmes, probably tough 4 them to get there.. Royal and Jackson have talent, but not that much

 

[Burning Sensation]

Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck.

I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

I was going to ask if they watched the game. This kid has the goods. He didn't just beat Hall every now and then, he made Hall trip over his own damn feet. The break your ankles type of cut. Runs great routes and has nice hands and not bricks that even TO has sometimes. It will fun watching these kids (Royal, Jackson) over the next few years. They may make this WR draft class one of the best in a long time.

They will have to be Moss/Owens to beat the Marshall/Holmes/Jennings/Colston class.

Im pretty sure Moss was drafted 98, Owens in 96..tough make

I know, i think you are missing the point.I was saying those two would have to be as good as Moss and Owens for this class to be considered as good as the Colston, Marshall, Holmes, Jennings class.

Considering neither are as good as Colston, Matshall, or Holmes, probably tough 4 them to get there.. Royal and Jackson have talent, but not that much

Agreed, that was my point to the OP.

 

[Black Label Society]

Yeah, overrated.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80aa9d6c

He's a nobody.

 

[Mikey16x]

Just bought in the hype myself... Traded Bowe/Cotchery/Atari Bigby for TO/Royal/R.White and Ernie Sims... im getting TO and the hype machine that is Eddie Royal.. for basically cotchery and Bowe considering im pretty deep at DB. Personally, I think my league is going to veto this but hey we'll see..

 

[machogrande]

He's a somebody, a somebody who's going to draw attention away from marshall. as a marshall owner, i'm loving it.

I see nothing but increased numbers for marshall now that there's an established threat lining up across from him.

cutler has "favre vision", he loves one guy. that guy will be marshall, and now he'll have less coverage on him.

l love royal, but i don't want him on my team unless i'm in a 12 team or dynasty league. he's not the #1, he's the #2.

pay for him and start accordingly.

 

[cstu]

:X Trading a rookie after a big week 1. This is the sure fire way to always suck. I would suggest watching a game once in awhile instead of just looking at stats. If you formed the opinion AND watched the game, good luck, you will need it.

It's not a typical rookie week 1, like say Boldin. Royal looks like a good player, but he's going to be the #2 for as long as Marshall is there.

 

[cstu]

Royal didn't just have a solid Week One, he had a historically significant Week One. Looking at the other rookies to have relatively similar starts to their career, Royal stands an excellent chance to be a top-20 receiver THIS YEAR. You don't give that up, particularly when you landed him for a late round pick or a waiver claim.

Historically, when those WR's have week 1's like Royal's were the teams' #1 WR suspended?

 

[Mikey16x]

I understand that Marshall will be the clear cut number one, he reminds me of a baby T.O. But on the other hand, why can't Royal get his too??.. If you watched the MNF game, even the highlights.. it's really hard to see Royal going to a 2 catch 20 yard type of player. This guy runs excellent, excellent routes.. Yes, DHall is overrated, horribly overrated but he's not complete garbage... I have seen alot worse starting in the NFL. If nothing else, I see a good chance for Royal to have a great season... Marshall is now going to draw the featured corner of the defense in addition to double coverage with safety help... The same way this helps marshall, this helps Royal. If Royal can keep up his intensity and his motor while facing the weaker of the 2 corners on a team... there is absolutely no reason why he can't finish this season with 90 catches, 1100, 8 TD's... if Mike Furrey can do it for a season with 1/2 the talent and Roy Williams on the other side, why can't Royal do it with Marshall.

 

[kaa]

A lot of fantasy owners are at best only dimly aware of Royal at this time. In other words, you probably won't get value for him in a trade. Most GMs will still be very skeptical of his worth and you'll get little in return. You probably got him for a low draft pick. To sum up, the best value is just to hang onto him.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Not sure why everybody's so sure that Marshall is better than Royal. Look, Marshall is (slightly) more proven and deserves to be drafted ahead of Royal, but Royal looked excellent out there.

In his two year career, Marshall has four career 100 yard games:

7-133

10-115

11-107

10-114

In his one game career, Royal has one career 100 yard game:

9-146

This sort of reminds of when everybody said Roy Williams would always be #2 to Charles Rogers, or Calvin Johnson would always be #2 to Roy Williams.

 

[Syx]

Is this the same Royal who never had more than 500 yards or 4 TD's in any year at VT?

He was 3rd on VT in receiving yards and TD's.

Yes, he had a wonderful debut, but I think I'll wait to anoint him the Greatest Of All Time.

 

[knowledge dropper]

He is talented, and I picked him up in one (of 3 leagues). However, you have to temper expectations based upon that game. I would even include Cutler in that statement. The Raiders defensive gameplan was horrible. Cutler had all day to throw the ball. The Raiders refused to blitz and used vanilla defenses. I thought I was watching the pro bowl defense minus good players.

Let's see what he can do against SD. Regardless, I don't think this kid is another Frisman Jackson.

 

[Jason Wood]

Royal didn't just have a solid Week One, he had a historically significant Week One. Looking at the other rookies to have relatively similar starts to their career, Royal stands an excellent chance to be a top-20 receiver THIS YEAR. You don't give that up, particularly when you landed him for a late round pick or a waiver claim.

Historically, when those WR's have week 1's like Royal's were the teams' #1 WR suspended?

Of course not, but they also weren't the WR1s going against one of the league's best CB tandems either.

 

[JuniorNB]

If you really think Royal will outproduce Ocho Cinco this year then I want what you're smoking. It was one game people, against the most overrated corner in the league, and without the guy that will be getting most of the looks from here on out in Marshall. Royal won't even break 1,000 yards on the season.

Can we call him Chad Johnson, please? He has all the sheep jumping through hoops.We still called Prince Prince didn't we?

 

[metoo]

I'm drinking the kool-aid, I just traded Chris Perry for him.