Eddie Royal - Overrated? (1 Viewer)

[Scooby1974]

Great read guys...love it.

I'd like to add some thoughts.

1. How was Denver's pass protection? If they can give Cutler more time, Royal gets more time to run deep.

2. With an "injured running game", D's knew the pass was coming so a more balanced attack should result in less coverage.

3. Where I agree that Marshall is very good, I personally have lowered my value on him. He had some huge games, but he also had games where he couldn't beat the double team and get open.

4. We have return yards in our non-PPR league so Eddie's value is pushed up due to tearing up the return game.

5. If McD can help Cutler relax and stop being "Favre-esque", his INT's will go down significantly and Denver will sustain more drives.

6. If the D does just a LITTLE better, they will get the Offense the ball more resulting in more chances to score.

I personally see Eddie progressing in his game, and with McD running the show he will bring more efficiency to the Offense. I'm loving this hire as a Royal owner.

 

[thatguy]

Great read guys...love it.

I'd like to add some thoughts.

1. How was Denver's pass protection? If they can give Cutler more time, Royal gets more time to run deep.

2. With an "injured running game", D's knew the pass was coming so a more balanced attack should result in less coverage.

3. Where I agree that Marshall is very good, I personally have lowered my value on him. He had some huge games, but he also had games where he couldn't beat the double team and get open.

4. We have return yards in our non-PPR league so Eddie's value is pushed up due to tearing up the return game.

5. If McD can help Cutler relax and stop being "Favre-esque", his INT's will go down significantly and Denver will sustain more drives.

6. If the D does just a LITTLE better, they will get the Offense the ball more resulting in more chances to score.

I personally see Eddie progressing in his game, and with McD running the show he will bring more efficiency to the Offense. I'm loving this hire as a Royal owner.

Denver's pass pro was amongst the best in the league.

 

[Scooby1974]

"Denver's pass pro was amongst the best in the league."

Hopefully McD can help Jay make better reads and cut down on his large # of INT's then.

Any comments on the rest?

 

[TheFanatic]

Just dealt him for Pierre Thomas, Breaston, and Dallas Clark. I didn't get anything crazy like the 1.01 rookie pick but I like the value I received.

That would've been me. I was offered the 1.2 straight up for him while negotiating with the guy who had offered me the 1.3 and a player for Royal. The owner of the 1.1 offered me the top pick for Royal and an upgrade at TE. I took it. That being said that owner still has the 1.3 and the 1.4 and is in prime shape to completely rebuild that team into a contender this year. Royal is young and this league is a pure keeper so Royal could be on that team for 10 years....Royal has incredible hands and tore it up as a rookie. Very few guys do that in the NFL at the WR position. I can think of only 1 guy that did that and then struggled afterward. Everyone else that tore it up as a rookie WR has gone on to a great career unless there is another guy I can't remember....

What's Braylon Edwards value now compared to 2 seasons ago?

Uh, apples to apples? What does Royal tearing it up his rookie season (91 catches for 980 and 5) have anything to do with Edwards and his 32 catches for 512 and 3 his rookie season. Edwards did not tear it up his rookie season. Royal did. Got anything relevant to bring to this discussion or do you want to spend more time discussing the guys that underperformed on your team in 2008?

 

[TheFanatic]

My original point still stands - I think that people are expecting more out of Eddie Royal next year (and beyond) and are only looking at the upside. There's plenty of reason to expect some downslide as well. Could those balance out? Certainly - which would put him back to where he was this year - WR20 in non-PPR, WR14 in PPR.I think a high WR2 is a fair value, but that's not what I'm seeing him being traded as of late.

High WR2 sounds about right to me -- just around Welker's spot. Welker's just got fewer TDs.

I agree. And i was offered the 1.01 for Welker just the other day in a ppr league and turned it down.

Link to that transaction?

Link to what? Owner offered me the 1.01 for Welker in a ppr and i said no. Is that hard to believe?

I would like to see a link to the transaction where you turned it down.

I am the guy that traded Royal for the 1.1. I was offered deals left and right, including this one, for both Royal and Welker. I kept Welker over Royal. Royal has more HR ability. Welker is the guy that hits for average that just doesn't let you down. I kept the guy who is older but still relatively young (27) with more a stronger history but the other guy has more talent, albeit in a more of an up and down scoring from week in and week out.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

FWIW, I think in NFL terms, Eddie Royal is already one of the top WRs in the league.

I do agree that Jay Cutler is overrated. (He's top 15 or so, but not top 5 like a lot of people seem to think.)

 

[Ron_Mexico]

FWIW, I think in NFL terms, Eddie Royal is already one of the top WRs in the league.

I do agree that Jay Cutler is overrated. (He's top 15 or so, but not top 5 like a lot of people seem to think.)

Top 15 ?ouch. I just can't rank him that low.

I've got him much closer to 5 than 15.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

FWIW, I think in NFL terms, Eddie Royal is already one of the top WRs in the league.

I do agree that Jay Cutler is overrated. (He's top 15 or so, but not top 5 like a lot of people seem to think.)

Top 15 ?ouch. I just can't rank him that low.

I've got him much closer to 5 than 15.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Just dealt him for Pierre Thomas, Breaston, and Dallas Clark. I didn't get anything crazy like the 1.01 rookie pick but I like the value I received.

That would've been me. I was offered the 1.2 straight up for him while negotiating with the guy who had offered me the 1.3 and a player for Royal. The owner of the 1.1 offered me the top pick for Royal and an upgrade at TE. I took it. That being said that owner still has the 1.3 and the 1.4 and is in prime shape to completely rebuild that team into a contender this year. Royal is young and this league is a pure keeper so Royal could be on that team for 10 years....Royal has incredible hands and tore it up as a rookie. Very few guys do that in the NFL at the WR position. I can think of only 1 guy that did that and then struggled afterward. Everyone else that tore it up as a rookie WR has gone on to a great career unless there is another guy I can't remember....

What's Braylon Edwards value now compared to 2 seasons ago?

Uh, apples to apples? What does Royal tearing it up his rookie season (91 catches for 980 and 5) have anything to do with Edwards and his 32 catches for 512 and 3 his rookie season. Edwards did not tear it up his rookie season. Royal did.

Got anything relevant to bring to this discussion or do you want to spend more time discussing the guys that underperformed on your team in 2008?

Being a jerk isn't really needed in the conversation. First of all I don't own Edwards in any league I'm in. Second, I was referring to the great year Edwards had in 2007 (a lot better than Royal by the way), and how he has digressed. Third, I wasn't making reference to Edwards rookie year compared to Royal's rookie year. Try to be a little nicer in the future.

 

[puckalicious]

You mentioned that Marshall missed a game and Scheffler two but failed to mention that Royal himself missed a full game and most of another. He put up the numbers he did in essentially 14 games.I've probably got him in the 10-15 range for WRs in terms of dynasty value. But how do you rank him behind TJ Housh and Chad Johnson?

I don't know how you can rank Royal over a healthy Ocho Cinco (with a healthy Palmer). Housh's value is up in the air IMO until he signs with a new team.

Are most opponents of Royal as a WR2 assuming that he has reached his ceiling?

Well not as a WR2...I'd say he has not reached is talent ceiling, but has reached (or pretty darn close) to his opportunity (targets) ceiling. This could translate into doing more with less but I'm not willing rank him over proven, yet still young WR's in dynasty.

 

[TheFanatic]

Just dealt him for Pierre Thomas, Breaston, and Dallas Clark. I didn't get anything crazy like the 1.01 rookie pick but I like the value I received.

That would've been me. I was offered the 1.2 straight up for him while negotiating with the guy who had offered me the 1.3 and a player for Royal. The owner of the 1.1 offered me the top pick for Royal and an upgrade at TE. I took it. That being said that owner still has the 1.3 and the 1.4 and is in prime shape to completely rebuild that team into a contender this year. Royal is young and this league is a pure keeper so Royal could be on that team for 10 years....Royal has incredible hands and tore it up as a rookie. Very few guys do that in the NFL at the WR position. I can think of only 1 guy that did that and then struggled afterward. Everyone else that tore it up as a rookie WR has gone on to a great career unless there is another guy I can't remember....

What's Braylon Edwards value now compared to 2 seasons ago?

Uh, apples to apples? What does Royal tearing it up his rookie season (91 catches for 980 and 5) have anything to do with Edwards and his 32 catches for 512 and 3 his rookie season. Edwards did not tear it up his rookie season. Royal did.

Got anything relevant to bring to this discussion or do you want to spend more time discussing the guys that underperformed on your team in 2008?

Being a jerk isn't really needed in the conversation. First of all I don't own Edwards in any league I'm in. Second, I was referring to the great year Edwards had in 2007 (a lot better than Royal by the way), and how he has digressed. Third, I wasn't making reference to Edwards rookie year compared to Royal's rookie year. Try to be a little nicer in the future.

So basically you admittedly brought up a guy that has no similarities to Royal whatsoever? Nicely done. Thanks for the input. Just because you would prefer me to be nicer in the future I will refrain from making any more snide remarks

 

[Dr. Octopus]

My original point still stands

and this thread is certainly proving it.

 

[LBH]

Im not seeing how people can think that Royal has reached his peak target level when you look at the oppurtunities Welker had in NE. Its possible that he wont ever get 90+receptions again, but after just one year, I see that as unlikely. I think McDaniels is going to utilize Royal in similar ways to what he did with Welker, but have more options for him due to Royals speed

 

[Jason Wood]

Great job Jeff. Not being a dynasty guy, I haven't done the deep dive yet on Royal for 2009 [but soon enough!] but the analysis that you put forth is exactly the kinds of things I look for as I'm shaping my over- and under-valued lists to start a new year. I like Royal, but I think you couched it correctly...his realistic upside is more in the WR2 vein.