Edge done as a Colt (1 Viewer)

[Noahs Troopers]

Manning is part of the problem, he is not a gamer!

 

[Adrian Peterson]

For those predicting Edgerrin to land in JAX - do they keep Greg Jones, Toefield and Pearman and let Fred Taylor out of his contract by cutting him?If so - do the Colts take a chance and pick up Taylor?

 

[Da Guru]

Manning is part of the problem, he is not a gamer!

LOL at another Manning bashing. Mostly the same posters.

It is not a bash, the facts speak for themselves. Manning has never played his best when his team really needs him. Plain and simple.

 

[anborn]

I respect you Mr. James and offer my services to find you a nice crib in Charlotte.

no lie there. James is a Panther fan's wet dream.

 

[MLBrandow]

For those predicting Edgerrin to land in JAX - do they keep Greg Jones, Toefield and Pearman and let Fred Taylor out of his contract by cutting him?

If so - do the Colts take a chance and pick up Taylor?

No. A team like Minnesota probably picks up a Fred Taylor. Someone that needs him as a complementary back and maybe more.If the Colts let Edge go, they'll draft a RB to take his place. Addai? Maroney?

Maybe sign Thomas Jones... other than that I could see a Najeh Davenport in a Colts uniform.

 

[Traders2001]

The fantasy value of stud RBs (who play in a great system) is rarely the same as their real-life value in the NFL.

No doubt, but that doesn't mean a team won't play a king's ransom to grab Edge. If Lamont Jordan can get $27 mil/5 years (or something like that), you can bet your boots that Edge will top that.

Are you saying Al Davis is a rational man? It is interesting to see that Lamont and Edge are very close in age, the only difference being the wear and tear.

And of course TALENT.I mean Jordan is a ok back but doesnt even come close to Edge talent wise .

Jordan had a average season on a offensive powerhouse.

3.8 ypc and lots of drops.

 

[Traders2001]

The Colts are finished in terms of winning a Superbowl; Manning's contract f'd that team royally.

And Manning the player also f'd them royally ( he just is nt a playoff qb )He might end up in Canton HOF , but will never win the big games no character or pride . Everything he does are for the wrong reason he only plays for himself ( records etc ) and this doesnt give you a Super bowl ring.

 

[H.K.]

Back on topic:Assuming Edge leaves, does anyone have any links giving clues on how the Colts may replace him?Options include: 1) They could go with Rhodes backed by Mungro/Carthon - probably not too likely, leaves them too thin2) They could go with Rhodes and draft/FA another RB as competition for the starting gig - Probable, adds depth and could be the most cap friendly solution3) They could bring in an FA as the starter and use Rhodes in his same role - Not too sure how good an FA RB they can get with their cap situation4) They could draft their new #1 RB - I just don't see who they could get unless they trade up, and then they'd need to pony up cash, too.Any chance they stick with Rhodes as their guy? It's possible the Colts give him a full season to see if he can stay healthy and get it done, especially after they paid him some good money a year or two ago to keep him....

 

[Boston]

Back on topic:

Assuming Edge leaves, does anyone have any links giving clues on how the Colts may replace him?

Options include:

1) They could go with Rhodes backed by Mungro/Carthon - probably not too likely, leaves them too thin

2) They could go with Rhodes and draft/FA another RB as competition for the starting gig - Probable, adds depth and could be the most cap friendly solution

3) They could bring in an FA as the starter and use Rhodes in his same role - Not too sure how good an FA RB they can get with their cap situation

4) They could draft their new #1 RB - I just don't see who they could get unless they trade up, and then they'd need to pony up cash, too.

Any chance they stick with Rhodes as their guy? It's possible the Colts give him a full season to see if he can stay healthy and get it done, especially after they paid him some good money a year or two ago to keep him....

Rhodes will not be handed the starting job. He could be a piece of the puzzle but he's way to iffy to rely on. He had one good year and than got injured. After that he's been nothing more than a role player. When he was a free agent that could be had with low money there were no takers. That is a great indicator as to what his value is. Also, the Colts window of opportunity is now. They really aren't in a position to take a step back. If Edge leaves they will bring in another RB. Whether it's through free agency, trade or the draft remains to be seen but there will be another quality back on this roster should Edge depart. They have no choice.

 

[ren hoek]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Edge really isn't all that great of a RB. Why pay $7 million+ for a 27 year old RB with almost 10,000 yards of mileage on him? James needs to get over himself.

 

[Keys Myaths]

And Manning the player also f'd them royally ( he just is nt a playoff qb )

Mmm hmm.And everyone who says the above would be singing a different tune if Vandy had made his FG.

Remember, Brady had to rely on game winning FGs TWICE...yet we hail him as the greatest playoff QB ever.

 

[H.K.]

Rhodes will not be handed the starting job. He could be a piece of the puzzle but he's way to iffy to rely on. He had one good year and than got injured. After that he's been nothing more than a role player. When he was a free agent that could be had with low money there were no takers. That is a great indicator as to what his value is. Also, the Colts window of opportunity is now. They really aren't in a position to take a step back. If Edge leaves they will bring in another RB. Whether it's through free agency, trade or the draft remains to be seen but there will be another quality back on this roster should Edge depart. They have no choice.

All good points, however, I think Rhodes has more of a chance to earn the job than most others do. I don't see the Colts paying huge money to a FA RB if they don't re-sign Edge, that just wouldn't make sense based on Edge's production and fit for the offense. That means they would have to sign a lesser talented RB in FA or draft someone, which increases the chances that Rhodes may actually be better than whoever else the Colts can acquire.

 

[Traders2001]

Why not Chester Taylor to replace Edge , or at least compete with Rhodes for the starting job.Could be a real steal, he could do as good job as anyone in this backfield.

 

[CA_7]

I mean Jordan is a ok back but doesnt even come close to Edge talent wise .

Jordan had a average season on a offensive powerhouse.

3.8 ypc and lots of drops.

Powerhouse? IND was the 3rd best offense in the NFL, OAK 21st. Edge averaged 122.9 yards/game and had 14 TDs in 15 games

Lamont averaged 113.4 yards/game and had 11 TDs in 14 games and lead all RBs in receptions (70 to Edge's 44).

I agree Edge is more talented but IMO the question is the system's effect on the players (and that is what GMs will be asking as well).

Also seems to me like Lamont needs a little more respect around here...

 

[CA_7]

On the likelihood James will not return to the Colts: When asked if he could envision life without his longtime running back, Manning said, "Well, I don't want to. I don't know if you're supposed to pray for stuff like that, but I do. He's been the best teammate I've had, the most dependable as far as being there.''When Manning returns from the Pro Bowl -- he leaves for Honolulu on Sunday -- he plans to visit James in Miami. "I want to go on his boat, Stress Free,'' he said. "And I'm buying.''

LINK

 

[fruity pebbles]

On the likelihood James will not return to the Colts: When asked if he could envision life without his longtime running back, Manning said, "Well, I don't want to. I don't know if you're supposed to pray for stuff like that, but I do. He's been the best teammate I've had, the most dependable as far as being there.''

When Manning returns from the Pro Bowl -- he leaves for Honolulu on Sunday -- he plans to visit James in Miami. "I want to go on his boat, Stress Free,'' he said. "And I'm buying.''

LINK

Maybe Manning should shuffle a little of his money over to him then

 

[David Yudkin]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Edge really isn't all that great of a RB. Why pay $7 million+ for a 27 year old RB with almost 10,000 yards of mileage on him?

James needs to get over himself.

As far as I can tell, James is the all-time leader in yards per scrimmage per game. But I guess he really isn't all that great . . .

 

[mcd]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Edge really isn't all that great of a RB.  Why pay $7 million+ for a 27 year old RB with almost 10,000 yards of mileage on him? 

James needs to get over himself.

As far as I can tell, James is the all-time leader in yards per scrimmage per game. But I guess he really isn't all that great . . .

It amazes me when people act like James is the product of the system. History has shown that the system does not work without James in place. Yes, Rhodes put up reasonable numbers when he replaced Edge a few years back, but the Colts as a team tanked it (winning 1 or 2 of their last 10 games) & Mannings INTs went way up. Defenses have to plan for James, that leaves the field more balanced for Manning to attack. Once James went down, defenses dared the Colts to run with Rhodes by dropping the Safties & linebackers into coverage. Result was a terrible record & Manning throwing INTs.The year James was out Manning threw 26 TDs/23 INT. The next year while James was still ineffective, he threw 19 INTs. The last 3 years with a healthy James he has thrown 10 ints each year. James makes aa huge difference

If the Colts let James walk, I would think Rhodes should be released also. Rhodes is making too much as a backup & they could roll the savings from his contract into signing a bigger name free agent & then draft a rookie in the mid rounds as a backup.

Wanye is a solid WR, but making him the offensive priority #1 over James is a huge mistake.

 

[Loomba]

There are at least 10 "what ifs" that, had they happenned, Indy would have won/made an amazing comeback.

Having said that, I do agree that Manning hasn't been his best in the playoffs, but do you really think Indy would have a better shot next year by dismantling what they have now. I doubt it.

I would like to see Manning and Harrison do some restructuring to allow the club to afford Edge and Wayne and Freeney etc.

Edge is not the product of a "system". The system is more the product of Edge. The only team in the NFL that seems to be able to claim that there system produces great RBs, and not the other way around, is Denver.

And Manning the player also f'd them royally ( he just is nt a playoff qb )

Mmm hmm.And everyone who says the above would be singing a different tune if Vandy had made his FG.

Remember, Brady had to rely on game winning FGs TWICE...yet we hail him as the greatest playoff QB ever.

 

[Traders2001]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Edge really isn't all that great of a RB.  Why pay $7 million+ for a 27 year old RB with almost 10,000 yards of mileage on him? 

James needs to get over himself.

As far as I can tell, James is the all-time leader in yards per scrimmage per game. But I guess he really isn't all that great . . .

It amazes me when people act like James is the product of the system. History has shown that the system does not work without James in place. Yes, Rhodes put up reasonable numbers when he replaced Edge a few years back, but the Colts as a team tanked it (winning 1 or 2 of their last 10 games) & Mannings INTs went way up. Defenses have to plan for James, that leaves the field more balanced for Manning to attack. Once James went down, defenses dared the Colts to run with Rhodes by dropping the Safties & linebackers into coverage. Result was a terrible record & Manning throwing INTs.The year James was out Manning threw 26 TDs/23 INT. The next year while James was still ineffective, he threw 19 INTs. The last 3 years with a healthy James he has thrown 10 ints each year. James makes aa huge difference

If the Colts let James walk, I would think Rhodes should be released also. Rhodes is making too much as a backup & they could roll the savings from his contract into signing a bigger name free agent & then draft a rookie in the mid rounds as a backup.

Wanye is a solid WR, but making him the offensive priority #1 over James is a huge mistake.

Agreed .Receivers like Wayne are easy to find ( he is a ok but not great wr )

but RB like James .

 

[ren hoek]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Edge really isn't all that great of a RB.  Why pay $7 million+ for a 27 year old RB with almost 10,000 yards of mileage on him? 

James needs to get over himself.

As far as I can tell, James is the all-time leader in yards per scrimmage per game. But I guess he really isn't all that great . . .

Well, taking that into consideration, don't you find it odd that the Colts aren't exactly tripping over themselves to pay him over a #2 WR?

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career YPG: 1. Edgerrin James (125.68) 2.Jim Brown (125.52). R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!

http://www.profootballreference.com/players/JameEd00.htmTake this small sample size for what it's worth, but Dominic Rhodes averaged 117.7 total yards per game in the 10 games he started while Edgerrin James was out in 2001.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/236986/gamelogs/2001

Is that extra 7.98 yards, the difference between Edgerrin James' and Dominic Rhodes' (in 2001 starts) YPG which you seem to put so much stock in, really worth the $6 million or so that James will demand on top of Rhodes' salary? I don't believe he's worth nearly as much as he and his agent thinks he is, and I also believe there are a great number of backs that would look good in this Colts offense.

 

[David Yudkin]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Edge really isn't all that great of a RB.  Why pay $7 million+ for a 27 year old RB with almost 10,000 yards of mileage on him? 

James needs to get over himself.

As far as I can tell, James is the all-time leader in yards per scrimmage per game. But I guess he really isn't all that great . . .

Well, taking that into consideration, don't you find it odd that the Colts aren't exactly tripping over themselves to pay him over a #2 WR?

cracKer sponsor(s) this page.

career YPG: 1. Edgerrin James (125.68) 2.Jim Brown (125.52). R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!

http://www.profootballreference.com/players/JameEd00.htmTake this small sample size for what it's worth, but Dominic Rhodes averaged 117.7 total yards per game in the 10 games he started while Edgerrin James was out in 2001.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/236986/gamelogs/2001

Is that extra 7.98 yards, the difference between Edgerrin James' and Dominic Rhodes' (in 2001 starts) YPG which you seem to put so much stock in, really worth the $6 million or so that James will demand on top of Rhodes' salary? I don't believe he's worth nearly as much as he and his agent thinks he is, and I also believe there are a great number of backs that would look good in this Colts offense.

If you think Rhodes is in the same league as Edge, I doubt I'll be ablt to convinve you otherwise. But Edge has averaged his 125368 yards in 96 games vs. Rhodes in 10. And no way does Rhodes do that now vs 5 years ago. But I digress.In Edge's 4 healthy seasons, he averaged 133.7, 143.9, 126.9, and 122.9 yards per game for an average of 132 yards.

In 3 games against bottom tier run defenses, Rhodes had 145, 188, and 152 yards. He had a couple other solid games, but in such a small sample size, these game clearly skew the results. So he averaged 162 yards in those games and 98 yards in his others.

That's about the difference I would expect (132 - 98 = 34 yards) between James and a generic fill-in. If the Colts think Wayne is worth James's replacement less 500-550 total yards, more power to them.

As for the Colts apparent preference to sign Wayne over James, the financial numbers certainly are not in James' favor. If they franchise James again, it would cost Indy around $9.7 million ($8.1 million + 20%). With Manning's monster contract, IIRC Peyton will have a cap charge of $17.8 million next year. Manning is the reason that the Colts can't keep James.

The other factor that is making this mess more problematic is the lack of a new CBA and the looming "uncapped" season past 2007. This whole situation will become a MAJOR news item for all teams come March when things get uber ugly.

 

[Team Legacy]

for those interested, living in indy,

one of my diehard colt fan buddies said NO WAY do they hand the job to rhodes if edge is lost.

rumor has it he's being cut.

if anyone wants a indy fan perspective.

 

[H.K.]

Thanks Legacy Good info., always nice to hear the local scoop, even if it isn't what I expected. Any insight on who the Colts may target in FA?

 

[yetiknight]

Thanks Legacy Good info., always nice to hear the local scoop, even if it isn't what I expected. Any insight on who the Colts may target in FA?

I live in Indy. Not a big Colts fan, but I listen to Bill Polian talk shows. He did say at some point after the Steelers game that they needed more of a power running game. Jamal Lewis was the first player that came to mind. Probably not a possibility. All I know is the one thing Edge doesn't do well is short yardage.