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Edge done as a Colt (1 Viewer)

jeter23

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2317349

Colts running back Edgerrin James told the Indianapolis Star he believes his playing days in Indianapolis are over.

"I don't see nothing happening,'' James told the newspaper Thursday night. "You can read between the lines and from the things I'm hearing, nothing's going to happen.

"And that's crazy, man. I'm part of the solution, I'm not part of the problem. Crazy, man."

James is one of four Colts starters that could become unrestricted free agents this year, along with receiver Reggie Wayne, linebacker David Thornton and defensive lineman Raheem Brock.

Colts general manager Bill Polian has said the team's offseason signing priorities are retaining Wayne and working out a contract extension for defensive end Dwight Freeney.

James has taken exception to his name rarely, if ever, being mentioned among those priorities and told the paper he'll see who wants his services when the free agent signing period opens March 3.

"Maybe I'll get to a situation where somebody appreciates me," James told the Star. "I'm going to always be a ballplayer. You know I've got game. You can't knock what I do.

"I'm a running back like Walter Payton, somebody who played a long time. I'm in that mold ... guys who played 12, 13 years and always were consistent."

James rushed for 1,506 yards and 13 touchdowns on 360 carries this past season and is headed to the Pro Bowl after his fourth 1,500-yard season.

The Colts were 3-13 the season before drafting James with the fourth overall pick in 1999. Indianapolis then posted a 13-3 record in James' rookie season, in which he won the first of two straight rushing titles.

"At the end of the day I can say I did my part," James told the paper. "I did what they asked me to do. At the end of the day the truth will be seen and everybody will see what kind of player I am and how important of a player I am.

"For somebody else to come in and do what I did, it would be tough. Look at the difference when I'm there and when I'm not there. That's all you got to do."

Since 1999, the Colts are 77-35 -- 70-26 when he plays, 7-9 when he doesn't, according to the Star.

The Colts had no comment on James' statements, the Star reported

 
I was just going to post this...*Edge seems to have changed his tune as far as his career goes. In the past it seemed like he was going to retire early. In this article he's talking about a long career.*The Colts can spin it all they want but this will be a huge loss. It will be virtually impossible to not have the RB position downgraded without Edge. They can survive but this will put even more pressure on the defense.*If Edge leaves and either Wayne or Harrison gets hurt next year this team will really be vulnerable on offense. They'll still put up points but it won't be the scary unit it has been.*It will be interesting to see how the Colts try to replace him. This offense needs a strong threat at RB to operate the way they really want to. Yet, in the big picture they need to upgrade their D. It's better but is not championship quality yet. Therefore decisions will have to be made as to how they spend their money. Right off the bat resigning Wayne and Freeney will cost big time money.*This is a big offseson for the Colts front office. How they handle this offseason will have a huge effect as to whether their window starts to close or if they continue being one of the top contenders in the NFL for the foreseeable future. It'll be very interesting to see what they do.

 
I agree with Edge. He is part of the solution. And a true gamer. I think he would go a long way to being the key personnel move of the year for team's like Carolina, Arizona or others, only if they have the courage to make the commitment.

 
I agree with Edge. He is part of the solution. And a true gamer. I think he would go a long way to being the key personnel move of the year for team's like Carolina, Arizona or others, only if they have the courage to make the commitment.
He will be the class of the FA group, and I see a bidding war between at least 3 teams for his services (Carolina, Arizona, and Denver)
 
I agree with Edge.  He is part of the solution.  And a true gamer.  I think he would go a long way to being the key personnel move of the year for team's like Carolina, Arizona or others, only if they have the courage to make the commitment.
He will be the class of the FA group, and I see a bidding war between at least 3 teams for his services (Carolina, Arizona, and Denver)
Don't forget Alexander as well. If they both actually hit the market it will be interesting to see what happens. Does one of them sign quickly thinking there may not be many teams willing to spend the type of money these guys are looking for. Or do they wait each other out hoping one sets the market so the other can ask for more. Either way there will be a ton of rumors and where they end up will certainly have huge ramifications for all involved.
 
I would much rather have SA than Edge. Edge can remain a Colt if he wants to take less money. Blame the system.

 
I personally would let Edge walk. Take all that money and sign Wayne, and go get Ahman Green to replace him instead of cheap. Especially if Favre retires, there is no way Green Bay will want him back and he will come dirt cheap and give you a very good RB. Take the rest of the cash and try to improve a D that is still not that good. I would have said draft a RB but I dont think anyone will be there from the big 4.

 
I agree with Edge. He is part of the solution. And a true gamer. I think he would go a long way to being the key personnel move of the year for team's like Carolina, Arizona or others, only if they have the courage to make the commitment.
He will be the class of the FA group, and I see a bidding war between at least 3 teams for his services (Carolina, Arizona, and Denver)
Don't forget Alexander as well. If they both actually hit the market it will be interesting to see what happens. Does one of them sign quickly thinking there may not be many teams willing to spend the type of money these guys are looking for. Or do they wait each other out hoping one sets the market so the other can ask for more. Either way there will be a ton of rumors and where they end up will certainly have huge ramifications for all involved.
Don't forget that both SA and Edge were available relatively cheap before the draft last year (I think 2nd or 3rd rounders?). Now both are a year older and have an additional 350+ carries going against them. The fantasy value of stud RBs (who play in a great system) is rarely the same as their real-life value in the NFL.

 
The fantasy value of stud RBs (who play in a great system) is rarely the same as their real-life value in the NFL.
No doubt, but that doesn't mean a team won't play a king's ransom to grab Edge. If Lamont Jordan can get $27 mil/5 years (or something like that), you can bet your boots that Edge will top that.
 
I think Edge was pretty stoned on Total Access last night. They had a segment with him, Portis and McGahee. I know Edge is always pretty laid back, but the guy was practically laying down in his chair, and had trouble forming a complete sentence. He seemed to be just laughing at Portis the whole time.

 
The fantasy value of stud RBs (who play in a great system) is rarely the same as their real-life value in the NFL.
No doubt, but that doesn't mean a team won't play a king's ransom to grab Edge. If Lamont Jordan can get $27 mil/5 years (or something like that), you can bet your boots that Edge will top that.
Are you saying Al Davis is a rational man? It is interesting to see that Lamont and Edge are very close in age, the only difference being the wear and tear.

 
Any chance the Steelers could go after Edge? I know it's crazy, but I just don't think Fast Willie is a true feature RB. I don't see the Steelers spending that much on a RB, but it would sure make their offense really potent. In reality, Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Tennessee seem logical: warm weather or dome cities. I'd actually cross Minnesota off as I think James might not want to live there.

 
The fantasy value of stud RBs (who play in a great system) is rarely the same as their real-life value in the NFL.
No doubt, but that doesn't mean a team won't play a king's ransom to grab Edge. If Lamont Jordan can get $27 mil/5 years (or something like that), you can bet your boots that Edge will top that.
Are you saying Al Davis is a rational man? It is interesting to see that Lamont and Edge are very close in age, the only difference being the wear and tear.
True, there's the Davis factor at play. Still, the Jets were offering Lamont good (albeit not Raiders coin) for Jordan to stay, and Tampa was rumored to be willing to make a big push for him.The bottom line is that Edge, while an RB, is nonetheless a superstar RB and will get paid as much.

 
I think Edge was pretty stoned on Total Access last night. They had a segment with him, Portis and McGahee. I know Edge is always pretty laid back, but the guy was practically laying down in his chair, and had trouble forming a complete sentence. He seemed to be just laughing at Portis the whole time.
:pickle: :yes: Very stoned....

 
I could be wrong but can't they Franchise him again?
I dont think they can afford to. The tender offer is too big this year for RB's or something IIRC.Colts will NOT win the AFC South and will struggle to make the playoffs w/o Edge next season . . . especially if Edge goes to JAX.

I'm not so sure they can afford to keep Wayne either. Anybody know the WR tender offer and/or Colts cap situation in more detail?

 
I agree with Edge.  He is part of the solution.  And a true gamer.   I think he would go a long way to being the key personnel move of the year for team's like Carolina, Arizona or others, only if they have the courage to make the commitment.
He will be the class of the FA group, and I see a bidding war between at least 3 teams for his services (Carolina, Arizona, and Denver)
Don't forget Alexander as well. If they both actually hit the market it will be interesting to see what happens. Does one of them sign quickly thinking there may not be many teams willing to spend the type of money these guys are looking for. Or do they wait each other out hoping one sets the market so the other can ask for more. Either way there will be a ton of rumors and where they end up will certainly have huge ramifications for all involved.
I see the bidding war going on for Ricky and for TJ more than for Edge and SA, but only because Ricky comes cheaply and TJ is expendable(and very good)..Edge and Alexander will both carry HUGE price tags...I think you could see teams try to get the cheap guys first, then wait on SA and Edge to come down on their asking price...

 
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I personally would let Edge walk. Take all that money and sign Wayne, and go get Ahman Green to replace him instead of cheap. Especially if Favre retires, there is no way Green Bay will want him back and he will come dirt cheap and give you a very good RB. Take the rest of the cash and try to improve a D that is still not that good. I would have said draft a RB but I dont think anyone will be there from the big 4.
would you rather have ahman green or thomas jones if you could get him?green is awfully good, but tj is just as versatile and is healthy.Green won't be ready to go until midseason,correct?

 
Any chance the Steelers could go after Edge? I know it's crazy, but I just don't think Fast Willie is a true feature RB. I don't see the Steelers spending that much on a RB, but it would sure make their offense really potent.

In reality, Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Tennessee seem logical: warm weather or dome cities. I'd actually cross Minnesota off as I think James might not want to live there.
While I don't think that will happen, I'm all for it. My dream scenario is to sign Wayne to replace ARE and Duckett to take over for Bettis. :)

 
In reality, Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Tennessee seem logical: warm weather or dome cities. I'd actually cross Minnesota off as I think James might not want to live there.
1) Minneapolis isn't all that different from Indianapolis2) Money talks

 
In reality, Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Tennessee seem logical: warm weather or dome cities.  I'd actually cross Minnesota off as I think James might not want to live there.
1) Minneapolis isn't all that different from Indianapolis2) Money talks
Get back to the franchise draft :P
 
I personally would let Edge walk. Take all that money and sign Wayne, and go get Ahman Green to replace him instead of cheap. Especially if Favre retires, there is no way Green Bay will want him back and he will come dirt cheap and give you a very good RB. Take the rest of the cash and try to improve a D that is still not that good. I would have said draft a RB but I dont think anyone will be there from the big 4.
would you rather have ahman green or thomas jones if you could get him?green is awfully good, but tj is just as versatile and is healthy.Green won't be ready to go until midseason,correct?
I haven't heard anything about Green being out until midseason next year. To the contrary, I heard his recovery is ahead of schedule.
 
In reality, Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Tennessee seem logical: warm weather or dome cities.  I'd actually cross Minnesota off as I think James might not want to live there.
1) Minneapolis isn't all that different from Indianapolis2) Money talks
Probably a little more exciting, too
 
I think Edge was pretty stoned on Total Access last night. They had a segment with him, Portis and McGahee. I know Edge is always pretty laid back, but the guy was practically laying down in his chair, and had trouble forming a complete sentence. He seemed to be just laughing at Portis the whole time.
Well...he did go to "Da 'U'"what do ya expect?

 
Jacksonville would be money.I think you can cross off Arizona, since they'll draft an RB....and Indianapolis, since they can't afford him.I read something a few weeks ago on Carolina from a columnist that said they wouldn't be in the running for an Edge or Shaun Alexander or Jamal Lewis. So cross them off.Having the Seahawks replace Alexander with Edge is silly as well. Cross them off.I'm pretty sure Minnesota would draft an RB as well, not bring in a FA.The only team I can see running after him with a blank check is Jacksonville.

 
Jacksonville would be money.

I think you can cross off Arizona, since they'll draft an RB....

and Indianapolis, since they can't afford him.

I read something a few weeks ago on Carolina from a columnist that said they wouldn't be in the running for an Edge or Shaun Alexander or Jamal Lewis. So cross them off.

Having the Seahawks replace Alexander with Edge is silly as well. Cross them off.

I'm pretty sure Minnesota would draft an RB as well, not bring in a FA.

The only team I can see running after him with a blank check is Jacksonville.
I disagree 100% -- I believe AZ is exactly where Edge goes.DGreen knows he needs to win asap, and that he has many holes to fill.

Edge is not just one of the best RB talents running-wise -- he's also one of the best blocking-wise. Their draft pix will be used to upgrade their OL (where there is not much FA depth), and their D.

 
Hey Colts. See that window of opportunity? It is closing rapidly in front of you (if it hasn't already closed).

 
Their draft pix will be used to upgrade their OL (where there is not much FA depth), and their D.
The pool of available linemen, for whatever reason, always seems poor in January and gets richer near March. I guess many NFL teams think they're more expendable than other positions.
 
The Colts will be able to find a back that can produce at or close to Edge's level in the draft. The system they have in place is the main reason for the numbers the RB puts up. Not a big loss in my opinion.

 
Did James really compare himself to Walter Payton?
Pretty similar numbers through 7 years, if he plans on playing another 5-6 years I don't see how the comparison isn't reasonable.
 
Did James really compare himself to Walter Payton?
Pretty similar numbers through 7 years, if he plans on playing another 5-6 years I don't see how the comparison isn't reasonable.
Because Walter is a legend and is beloved. If Tom Brady starting comparing himself to Joe Montana don't you think people would scream? Manning could compare himself to Elway, people will bark. Torry Holt has put up fantastic numbers, should he says he's Jerry Rice? I think it was in poor taste but he didn't mean anything, Edge isn't and has never been too bright.
 
Replacing Edge won't be as easy as some think. He knows the system inside and out, and he's a hell of a blocker. I'm not saying another back won't be able to do well, but losing Edge will definitely be a setback, at least temporarily.

 
I could be wrong but can't they Franchise him again?
I dont think they can afford to. The tender offer is too big this year for RB's or something IIRC.Colts will NOT win the AFC South and will struggle to make the playoffs w/o Edge next season . . . especially if Edge goes to JAX.

I'm not so sure they can afford to keep Wayne either. Anybody know the WR tender offer and/or Colts cap situation in more detail?
IIRC - a franchise tag means an automatic paycheck equal to:(A) the avg of the top 5 at the position

or

(B) a 25% pay raise.

Which ever is HIGHER.

WIth an $8.08 M salary in 2005, that would mean a $10M salary for another franchise tag. And there's no prorating that....

 
Perhaps fun speculation guys, but this is all BS - James and/or his agent are just doing a little posturing.

Because there is no new contract it would be insane and unlikely for any team to begin contract negotiations until that question is settled - there is a totally different cap structure if/when there is no contract - which won't become the case until March 3.

Personally I think the Colts do resign James. although Pollian did use a Branch Rickey quote about better to not sign a player a year too early than sign him a year too late. He was clear that James, Wayne, Freely are ALL priorities but the organization has to know how much money they are dealing with to address how much they can or will spend on each. I do agree that of those three, he might end up being a lower priority but that is certainly not a done deal.

But continue to make a case for why he ends up on your club...................

 
IMO, the ideal way to build a team around a guy like Peyton Manning is not to surround him with high-priced offensive talent and watch him post record-breaking stats. It's to spend a lot of cap $ on the OL and on D and let Manning make the most of marginal skill players. I mean, Brandon Stokley had 1000 receiving yards in Indy. That's insane.I would not only let Edge go, I would let Wayne go too. Manning will produce with Harrison, Stokley and an average RB. Spend the savings on the lines and don't get beat off the ball so badly by the Steelers next year. It won't happen, but IMO it would be wise.

 

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